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Zahi and the Zionists

Dr Zahi Hawass has always had a voracious appetite for media coverage. At the moment though, he’s had to enter damage control after two separate media interviews in which he made questionable comments about the Jewish people. Last month he posted on his website a “Clarification of Remarks on Jewish History“, aimed at defusing a growing controversy about remarks he made on Egyptian TV on February 11, 2009, including “For 18 centuries they were dispersed throughout the world. They went to America and took control of its economy. They have a plan. Although they are few in number, they control the entire world.” The Big Z’s clarification of these remarks was that he had been misunderstood: what he was doing was contrasting “the relative unity of the international Jewish community with the political fragmentation that we see among the Arabs.”

However, the controversy didn’t abate, when further investigations uncovered other dubious comments made by the superstar of Egyptian archaeology in the newspaper Al-Sharq Al-Awsat in January:

The concept of killing women, children and elderly people… seems to run in the blood of the Jews of Palestine. [In fact,] it seems to have become part of the false faith of this people, who is tormenting us in our [own] homeland.

“When I speak of the Jewish faith, I do not mean their [original] faith, but the faith that they forged and contaminated with their poison, which is aimed against all of mankind… The only thing that the Jews have learned from history is methods of tyranny and torment – so much so that they have become artists in this field. They have done to the Palestinians what Pharaoh and Sargon [of Akkad] did to the Jews…

Yesterday, Dr Hawass posted a “further clarification” of his remarks on his website, saying “they were addressed to Middle Eastern readers, and thus were written in a rhetorical style meant to communicate specifically with this audience.” Hrmmm.

To be fair, it is a common error when discussing these sensitive topics to mean a specific group or individuals, but in saying the words come across as generalising about a complete population or culture – though some of the comments are hard to rationalise away in that manner. It’s also worth noting this 2002 article by Robert Bauval on the very topic of Egyptology and Anti-Semitism, which has other dubious comments about Jews from Zahi, as well as rather odd accusations towards Robert himself about being “a Jew”.

This probably stems from earlier tensions in Egypt with the Sphinx expedition involving John Anthony West and Boris Said, with the “redating” of the Sphinx often being viewed by modern Egyptians as an attempt to steal their history. Bauval explores some of these tensions and conspiracy theories in his book Secret Chamber, noting also that a later (officially sanctioned) Giza expedition by the Cayce-aligned Schor Foundation proposed to wear the ‘Star of David’ logo on their t-shirts (being the logo of Joe Schor’s Foundation).

Then add to those the involvement of people such as Lambert Dolphin in Giza expeditions over the years, and incidents such as the controversial gold capping of the Great Pyramid at the Millennium (echoing Masonic prophecies), and we start getting a bit lost in Zionist-Masonic-Christian Fundamentalist-New Age conspiracy theories. So forgive me for not even trying to dig further into this topic…

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  1. to all my wives and girlfriends
    To all my wives and girlfriends, I love you more than any other.

    Of course, this is except for the football team, and the futbol team, and the sailing team, and my best 3 beer brands, my best wine, best rum, my best tequila, my best rum, and I forget, I had too many of those last 3 or 5.

    But as you can see, I am very loyal man, of high principle, just as those guys.

    Get my drift?

    —-
    It is not how fast you go
    it is when you get there.

    1. …Salud?
      [quote]Get my drift?[/quote]

      Yep… we sure can smell it from here 😛

      I think you might have mistaken this thread with your blog, or it might be pertinent to it in a way I’m not able to deduct just yet.
      —–
      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

      1. The Earthling’s point
        [quote=red pill junkie]I think you might have mistaken this thread with your blog, or it might be pertinent to it in a way I’m not able to deduct just yet.[/quote]

        I think Earthling’s point was that Zahi puts on whatever face he needs to, depending on his audience.

        Kind regards,
        Greg
        ——————————————-
        You monkeys only think you’re running things
        @DailyGrail

        1. Oh!
          …Now I get it 🙂

          —–
          It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
          It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

          Red Pill Junkie

          1. how about
            how about another beer Red?

            The pretty bartender smiles at you

            🙂

            —-
            It is not how fast you go
            it is when you get there.

          2. I don’t want to risk it.
            I mean, what if she’s a Zionist? 😛

            —–
            It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
            It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

            Red Pill Junkie

          3. it is the taste
            it depends on what kind of beer, or tequila.

            You know that the female bartender is not interested in your health.

            perhaps she has bets on when your liver will give up.

            —-
            It is not how fast you go
            it is when you get there.

    1. The Gospel & the Talmud
      Hi,

      Christendom is ignorant of the argument taking place between the Prophet from Galilee and Talmudic Jews, all through the Gospels.

      “Beware the leaven of the Pharisees……………….Matthew 16:6

      The leaven was the teachings of the Pharisees aka The Oral Traditions, which we have today in book form:

      GENTILES IN HALACHA

      Foreword — Daat Emet

      For a long time we have been considering the necessity of informing our readers about Halacha’s real attitude towards non-Jews. Many untrue things are publicized on this issue and the facts should be made clear. But recently, we were presented with a diligently written article on the subject, authored by a scholar from the Merkaz HaRav yeshiva — so our job was done by others (though we have already discussed some aspects of this issue in the weekly portions of Balak and Matot). Since there is almost no disagreement between us and the author of the article on this issue, we have chosen to bring the article “Jews Are Called ‘Men'” by R’ David Bar-Chayim (in Hebrew) so that the reader will be able to study and understand the attitude of the Halacha towards non-Jews.

      In this article R’ Bar-Chayim discusses the attitude towards “Gentiles” in the Torah and in the Halacha and comes to an unambiguous conclusion:

      “The Torah of Israel makes a clear distinction between a Jew, who is defined as ‘man,’ and a Gentile.”

      That is to say, any notion of equality between human beings is irrelevant to the Halacha. R’ Bar-Chayim’s work is comprehensive, written with intellectual honesty, and deals with almost all the aspects of Halachic treatment of non-Jews. It also refutes the statements of those rabbis who speak out of wishful thinking and, influenced by concepts of modern society, claim that Judaism does not discriminate against people on religious grounds. R’ Bar-Chayim shows that all these people base their constructs NOT on the Torah but solely on the inclinations of their own hearts. He also shows that there are even rabbis who intentionally distort the Halachic attitude to Gentiles, misleading both themselves and the general public.

      For the English readers’ convenience we will briefly mention the topics dealt with in R’ Bar-Chayim’s article:

      Laws in regard to murder, which clearly state that there is Halachic difference between murder of a Jew and of a Gentile (the latter is considered a far less severe crime).

      A ban on desecrating the Sabbath to save the life of a Gentile.

      A Jew’s exemption from liability if his property (e. g. ox) causes damage to a Gentile’s property. But if a Gentile’s property causes damage to a Jew’s property, the Gentile is liable.

      The question of whether robbery of a Gentile is forbidden by the Torah’s law or only by a Rabbinic decree.

      A ban on returning a lost item to a Gentile if the reason for returning it is one’s sympathy towards the Gentile and compassion for him.

      The sum which a Gentile overpays in a business transaction due to his own error is forfeit; whether a Jew is permitted to intentionally deceive a Gentile is also discussed.

      One who kidnaps a Jew is liable to death, but one who kidnaps a Gentile is exempt.

      A Jew who hurts or injures a Gentile is not liable for compensation of damage, but a Gentile who hurts a Jew is liable to death.

      One who overcharges a Gentile ought not return him the sum that the Gentile overpaid.

      A Gentile — or even a convert to Judaism — may not be appointed king or public official of any sort (e. g. a cabinet minister).

      One who defames a female proselyte (claiming that she was not virgin at the time of her marriage) is liable to neither lashes nor fine.

      The prohibition to hate applies only to Jews; one may hate a Gentile.
      One may take revenge against or bear a grudge towards Gentiles; likewise, the commandment “love your neighbour” applies only to Jews, not to Gentiles.
      One who sees Gentile graveyards should curse: “Your mother shall be greatly ashamed…”

      Gentiles are likened to animals.

      If an ox damaged a Gentile maidservant, it should be considered as though the ox damaged a she-ass.

      The dead body of a Gentile does not bear ritual impurity, nor does a Gentile who touches the dead body of a Jew become impure — he is considered like an animal who touched a dead body.

      One is forbidden to pour anointing oil on a Jew, but there is no ban on pouring that oil on a Gentile because Gentiles are likened to animals.

      An animal slaughtered by a Gentile is forbidden, even if the ritual slaughter performed was technically correct, because Gentiles are deemed like animals. (Daat Emet does not agree that this is the Halachic reason for invalidating a Gentile’s ritual slaughter — but this is not the place to delve into the subject).

      Their members are like those of asses” — Gentiles are likened to animals.

      Between the Jews and the Gentiles — In the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and in Jewish Thought

      R’ Bar-Chayim’s arguments and conclusions are clear, Halachically accurate, and supported by almost all the existent major Halachic works. It would be superfluous to say that R’ Bar-Chayim fully embraces this racist Halachic outlook as the word of the Living G-d, as he himself pointed out in the “Conclusion” of his article:

      “It is clear to every Jew who accepts the Torah as G-d’s word from Sinai, obligatory and valid for all generations, that it is impossible to introduce ‘compromises’ or ‘renovations’ into it.”

      On the other hand, we want to make it clear that Daat Emet — as well as any reasonable people who do not embrace Halachic laws as the word of the Living G-d — are repulsed by such evil, racist discrimination.

      In the Hebrew text we have abridged the second part of R’ Bar-Chayim’s article,

      “Between Jews and Gentiles — In the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and in Jewish Thought,” because, in our view, the Halacha is the law which obligates every religious Jew while concepts of the Aggadah, the Kabbalah, and Jewish thought are not binding on anyone, as our rabbis have already written:

      “And so the Aggadic constructs of the disciples of disciples, such as Rav Tanchuma and Rabbi Oshaya and their like — most are incorrect, and therefore we do not rely on the words of Aggadah” (Sefer HaEshkol, Laws of a Torah Scroll, p. 60a); we have expanded on this issue in the portion of Vayeshev.

  2. Capstone
    I remember the capstone fiasco well, an Egyptian paper printed headlines scaremongering about a Zionist plot, Zahi got cold feet, and the Millennium celebrations at Giza were promptly dumped, the dust of the controversy taking a long time to settle. I can understand Egyptians being upset at their history perceivedly usurped by Europeans for centuries, because it has been looted, no ifs or buts about it. But the ancient Egyptians weren’t muslim Arabs. I’m Australian, with no real affiliation with a country that has thousands of years of history, so it’s hard for me to really know what it’s like for Zahi to see artifacts in foreign museums taken without so much as a thank you. So I can see up to a point why Zahi rants the way he does about Egyptian history going overseas, but he obviously takes it too far into “Zionists are plotting to get us all!” bigotry.

    Egyptology is a can of worms, and I recommend Robert Bauval’s Secret Chamber as a point of reason — at the time, there were a lot of rumours, gossip, and outright lies, and Rob set the record straight for his part in things.

  3. Not Really Surprising
    Beliefs like this are fairly common among Moslems. Zahi likes to speak (long) before he thinks and so ugly statements end up in places where Westerners can find them. Usually, this sort of thing is largely whitewashed out of English translations or conveniently omitted by our press.

    Islam (translation:Submission) is extremely intolerant of other religions, death penalty for conversion, etc. The Koran is laced with statements against Jews and Christians. Basically, these people would not convert to Mohammad’s new system and have earned permanent hatred as a result. Many European anti-semitic views are being absorbed into Moslem antipathy toward Jews.

    The good Jew/bad Jew tack is often resorted to by more educated Moslems, especially when they get caught like Zahi. I remember an incident from a Qatari newspaper years ago. This fellow, flush with cash, was demolishing the old (and I mean OLD) family home to build a new place. In the walls of the old house, the workmen found what he believed was a Torah scroll. He was ecstatic but puzzled. The scroll should have been old enough so that it predated all the Jewish “lies” added to the text. For some strange reason, despite his repeated efforts, no one in the Qatari government would help him translate the scroll to reveal the “truth”.

    Most Moslems are regular people. Sadly, they are surrounded and ruled by men who teach and practice hideous violence and hatred. I fear we have some very hard times ahead with this issue. The measure of Zahi will come when we find out which side of the line he falls on. Either he is just regurgitating this nonsense and will abandon it for the better, or he really does hate Jews in his heart (hopefully not).

    1. Well…
      What is most interesting to me is that, after the Koran, the most popular book in Islam has been “Mein Kampf”, and it has been so since before the start of WWII. In fact, the Mufti of Egypt, who himself began the “Muslim Brotherhood”, which has spawned AQ, the Taliban and other nefarious sects, especially the Wahabist branch, met with Hitler and recruited a large contingent of Muslims to fight as a separate unit in the SS.

      There are literally thousands of images and reports of them available both online and in German archives, plus numerous private collections.

      Islam suffers from the very intolerance it accuses others of fomenting. It acts not unlike the Catholic church of the Inquisition.

      I have read the Koran many times, and, as such, am always interested in listening to those who recite it’s verses and hadiths, usually our of context, like so many other religious folk.

      Delaiah is quite correct in her comments. Islam means, literally, “submission”, not peace. It tolerates nothing outside of it’s tenents, and urges it’s followers to do everything possible to either convert, or destroy those not presently within the faith.

      Hawis’ comments are not surprising in the least. They remind me very much of the bigots in southern states 4 decades ago, who were always showing one face to the camera, while the real evil lay just beneath that good ol’ boy smile.

      respects,

      Respects,
      Gwedd

      1. Remarks
        [quote=Gwedd]What is most interesting to me is that, after the Koran, the most popular book in Islam has been “Mein Kampf”, and it has been so since before the start of WWII.
        [/quote]

        I have heard this rumor many times, but I would like to substantiate it. Evidence ?
        The reason I ask is that “Mein Kampf” is a *really* boring read and most of the book is devoted to entirely uninteresting subjects about communism, the reason that Germany losed the war, about the necessity for room for Germany blablabla. The main tirades about Jews are concentrated in one chapter.

        [quote=Gwedd]
        Delaiah is quite correct in her comments. Islam means, literally, “submission”, not peace. It tolerates nothing outside of it’s tenents, and urges it’s followers to do everything possible to either convert, or destroy those not presently within the faith.
        [/quote]

        That is in general wrong. Christs, Jews and Zoroastrians
        will be tolerated because they have a Holy Book, but with limited rights and the obligation to pay taxes. Converts,
        pagans and atheists on the other hand are in mortal danger.
        Contrary to Christians there were no forced conversions in Islam.

        All monotheistic religions (Christianity, Islam or Judaism)
        have a history of intolerance to non-members and a very poor relationship to women’s rights / homosexuality. I am not so sure that the Roman Catholic Church would be much better than Islam if it would regain power.

        1. mono or poly ?
          The polytheistic religions have been no better, historically. The problem teh early Christians had in the Roman empire was that they would not recognize the current emperor as a god.

          And then look at the more current problems between the Sinhalese and Tamils.

          It looks to me that the modern, politically correct, and (sorry about this next one) stupid view, is to blame the monotheist religions.

          No, the simple explanation is that we don’t like people who are not like us. We don’t need a system.

          —-
          It is not how fast you go
          it is when you get there.

          1. Right on
            [quote]the simple explanation is that we don’t like people who are not like us[/quote]

            Right on Earthling. This is a most concise and precise picture of what has been the rule by which the human consciousness has been forced to live by for millenias.

            This being because of the collective nature of the conditioning that sits on top of the thought patterns that come to the mind.

            People simply cannot think what they want, they are forced to think according to a pattern. They just can’t change their thoughts short of a major life shock.

            And when the shock comes, the vibration level of their mental is either increased or decreased, bringing more light or more confusion, and thoughts are therefore adjusted accordingly.

            The kind of conditioned, mechanical thoughts that have been experienced by humanity thus far had for purpose the collectivization of individuals into groups for the benefit of those groups. This is why people have no real identity.

            By their way of thinking, they belong to the thought pattern of their race, of their culture, of their heritage, but not to themselves.

            It is only in the obliteration of such a condition that there can be a real individual.

            People cannot attack themselves to each individual instance of thought patterns or to each instance of conditioning condition that could potentially affect him as a person. There would never be enough of a lifetime.

            But he can see that the error originates with thoughts and their suggestive power so that he himself can sit in the eye of his personal storm, a storm made of thoughts and animal instincts, and then start truly seeing by himself.

            In that place, religions, like any other belief systems, lose their power of magnetization over his mind. And for the first time, he ceases being simply an intelligent animal.

          2. oh, even simpler
            Yes Richard, what you describe is true. But I would submit that the basis for all of this is even simpler. Let me expand on my one sentence analysis that you quoted.

            I said that we don’t like people who are not like us. That sounds like we are aggressive, but it is not the case.

            When we grow up, we learn to understand facial expressions.

            If you are European, you can’t read facial expressions of Chinese people, you think they don’t have any. Why? Because you focus on the short noses, and the narrow slanted eyes.

            If you are Chinese, you can’t read facial expressions of Europeans, you think they don’t have any. Why? Because you focus on their long noses, and the big round eyes.

            So you don’t understand how they react to what you say or do. You can’t tell if they are reacting at all. Consequently, you act defensively. And that is where it all starts.

            Lack of understanding is the cause of many or our problems.

            And of course, some of the bad guys are really after you, it is not paranoia 🙂

            —-
            It is not how fast you go
            it is when you get there.

          3. I agree
            The only difference being that I can’t reduce the process to material limitations but rather incorporate those material limitations, (read impressions recorded through the senses’ network), into the overall scheme that makes an individual identify and, by corollary, belong to his race.

            Your example ties to the level of the physical race. But the division of people in their collective experience also happens at all levels that incorporate some sort of master thought system.

            Nonetheless, your explanation appears as being quite right to me.

    2. ARABIAN JEWS CREATED ISLAM
      Hi,

      Jews were in Arabia 500 years or more before the birth of Islam.

      (Be sure to Google this article)

      HISTORY OF PALESTINE

      614-1096 C.E.

      From the Accession of the Mahomedans to that of the Europeans.

      By Rabbi Joseph Schwarz, 1850

  4. Zahi and the Zionists
    I really can’t understand Zahi Hawass being so bloody minded about the Jews, from what I’ve read I think they had a lot more to do in Egypt than we really think and has yet to be discovered. It is a well known fact there were families in Egypt not that long ago who raided artifacts and sold them for many years, as has been said Muslim Arabs rule the country now and are not the original inhabitants so he can’t claim the ancient Egyptians are their ancestors.
    I’m sure if dna samples were taken Mr. Hawass could be in for a big surprise

  5. The cabal of Judeofascists
    The cabal of Judeofascists behind such op as 911 don’t any more represent the “jews” than white identity christians represent the gentiles. There is a network of wealthy and connected identity jews hell bent on stirring up every kind of trouble in the cause of Greater Israel, but they use Judaism as a meretricious mascot in name only. It is really about sewing up large parts of the middle eastern hydrocarbon empire with Israel at the hub. It is always follow the money. Of course these guys delight in keeping it religious sounding, but that is a cover story and smokescreen. It allows for the constant insertion of “antisemitism” into the rhetoric every time something like the USS Liberty or 911 is discovered to lead back to the judeofascist network.
    This old con has been largely busted in the general population even though you will not hear it on the mainstream media which is becoming less and less mainstream daily as viewership plummets in favor of the internet as a news and discovery tool.

    1. I Agree With Both Of Your Comments Above; But,…
      Emlong,

      I’m staying out of this discussion!:-)

      As an aside, it might help clarify things if you pointed out that Judiasm is a religion and Zionism is a political philosophy that was created in 1898 and expoused by Theodore Hertzel. You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist. Mubarak was a Zionist and many members of the Christian right wing, many political leaders, many ordinary people, etc. are Zionists. The history of the 20th century is full of Non-Jewish Zionists.

  6. Zionism, Hawassism and Amber Stout
    I am not Jewish, though I grew up in Savannah, Georgia (US) which has a very large and outspoken Jewish population. The city also carries a fairly large Irish (Catholic) and Greek (Orthodox) community.

    I don’t do well with the the concept that there is something distinctly different between Zionism and simply being Jewish and believing in a Jewish homeland. I also do not draw any distinction between antiSemitism and antiZionism.

    I’m not sure that Zionism itself even exists… except as a relatively recent political invention of those who would incite anti-Jewish/Israeli sentiments.

    As for Mr. Hawass? He has been both the good, the bad and the ugly of Egyptology for so long that it’s hard to recall a time when he was not poking his face into photos of digs and discoveries. In fact, he seems to have almost become something of the PT Barnum of his own nation… but while at the same moment, making sure that so much of the same was secure from the bandits and archeo-wannabes that would have long since dismantled the pyramids in search of Atlantis.

    I have myself so many times poked fun at this man that I cannot recall the first or last. And he did beg for every moment like some pharaonic high-media priest with a dedicated addiction to attention and control.

    The worm turns and Zahi is now immortal… in his own way.

    Chant:
    Hawass: Eternal keeper of the Egyptian flame
    Hawass: His enemies bow before him!
    Hawass: The Nile bends on his command!
    Hawass: Nations fall before his gaze!

    Cecil B. DeMille could have had a blast making a movie about all of this.

    1. “I also do not draw any
      “I also do not draw any distinction between antiSemitism and antiZionism.”

      Oh please, spare us. I have a ton of jewish friends and jewish relatives who would laugh out loud at this statement and who want nothing to do with fascist projects conceived by people who happen to have hijacked a small contry in the middle east by the name of Israel. Of course, israeli manifest destiny happens to be in alignment with American manifest destiny, so this little state is getting its way at the moment.
      The greater project of stirring up the world into another Great War is going to make Israel rue the day it ever decided to wreck the middle east for its own purposes because Israel will lie in ruins too. There is something vaguely suicidal about both judeo and islamo fascists. Most of the rest of the world think they deserve each other. Unfortunately they can’t just be left alone in the same cage to tear each to pieces because the cage sits atop too much oil and gas, so we are being dragged into this spectacle in a most tragic manner. When the smoke and dust clears there will be no winners – just a big steaming pile of losers everywhere one looks, and it will hardly matter what flag you wave or religion you hide behind. That is one upside to this unfolding tragedy I suppose.

      1. Nope

        “Oh please, spare us. I have a ton of jewish friends and jewish relatives who would laugh out loud at this statement and who want nothing to do with fascist projects conceived by people who happen to have hijacked a small contry in the middle east by the name of Israel. Of course, israeli manifest destiny happens to be in alignment with American manifest destiny, so this little state is getting its way at the moment.”

        Spare us? Or you?

        I disagree with your view. I disagree strongly. If you wanna duke it out, let’s go someplace where we can make utter fools of ourselves without embarrassing TDG.

        *Deep breath*

        I am no more perfect than you, so I do make the mistake of occasionally jumping on a subject here that is going to lead to this kind of response. So, first let me apologize to our host for stirring the pot.

        I am guilty as hell of claiming to want to avoid this kind of political spectacle, but then go and leave something that begs for an argument.

        My bad.

        And I do regret it… not because I think you are right. But because this is one of the dirtiest subjects on the web… though undoubtedly, one of the most popular.

        So… I guess ‘us’ works.

        Consider yourself spared.

          1. And here is something my
            And here is something my jewish brother in law forwarded me awhile back. He is by the way married to a shiksa (my sister.) It is sort of along the lines of Warren Beatty’s famous utterance about everyone impregnating
            everyone else irrespective of race, creed, and color until we are all a shade of light brown and have forgotten all these tribal anachronisms.

            http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2004/01/13/intermarriage/index.html

        1. If you were a believer . .
          You would pray with all your might that the Jewish Land of Israel stands strong. Your cultural relativism is appalling. How you can equate Israeli defense to Arab aggression shows either amazing ignorance, or willful hate. You pick.

          A world that does not permit Israel to exist will itself not exist. . Not in this form anyway.

          Enjoy your horse ride into town to barter your can of peaches for some homespun or a sack of salt. . . and hope that you’re not laid low by some highway men on your way back home. . . that is the future you will look too if Israel falls . . . savage, brutal, and short. . . just as it was before the time of the Jews.

          You would prefer what exactly over Judeo-Christian values? Islamic values? If that’s true, live it up with your freedom to write what you think now . . because when the Islamists take over, you’ll not be allowed to do that or a myriad of other things you most likely enjoy. As for me, I won’t have to live with that tyrannical rule . . you see, I will die fighting to stop it.

          FREEDOM! (something you probably don’t even know the meaning of)

          ASM

          1. I Totally Disagree With You; But,
            AncientSkyMan,

            I’m not getting into this one!:-) So, I won’t comment.

            As an aside, I would prefer no religion at all; because, there is God! That’s right! The big bad buggie man in the sky does not exist and fairy tales can’t come true!

  7. Religion has been and will
    Religion has been and will always be created by humans to control other humans. The only religion that does not force itself onto others is Buddhism. Buddhism promotes tolerance. I see no other major religion in this world promoting tolerance; I only see anger and intolerance.

    Hawas is a stooge, and does what he is told. Of course he will never support DNA testing of anybody, particularly Israel. Providing DNA samples of modern escapees of ancient Egypt would not be acceptable to the current powers to be.

    1. I Basically Agree With You! But,…
      AAiek,

      Taoism, Non-Zionist Torah True Jews and a few other minor religions teach tolerance also! It’s Zionism and Non-Zionist Talmudic Judiasm, to a much lesser extent than Zionism, that gives Ashkenazi Judiasm a bad name! The Babylonian Talmud-Torah the real problem! For example, the Babylonian Talmud-Torah states that Jews are the only human beings and that Non-Jews are animals in human form that were created here to serve Jews. The Babylonian Talmud-Torah also states Jews must be honest with other Jews; but, Jews can lie about and cheat Non-Jews. It also says other things.

      The Hebrew version of the Babylonian Talmud-Torah is the only complete and totally valid version of the Babylonian Talmud-Torah. A Non-Zionist Torah True Rabbi taught a group of us the Babylonian Talmud-Torah from the Hebrew Text a few decades ago. If you can read Hebrew, please buy it and read it! If you don’t read Hebrew, please find a Non-Zionist Torrah True Jewish Rabbi and ask them to teach it to you. The lessons can be had for a small fee and sometimes they are free. But, Non-Zionist Torah True Jews are not wealthy people.

      1. The Jewish Question?

        “The lessons can be had for a small fee and sometimes they are free. But, Non-Zionist Torah True Jews are not wealthy people.”

        So the bad Jews are Zionists and they are rich… and the good Jews are just Jews and they are poor?

        Can you identify a good Jew from a bad Jew from the house they live in? The clothes they wear? How much they leave for a tip?

        What is your final solution to this problem?

        1. You Distort My Meaning !
          [quote=Redoubt]

          “The lessons can be had for a small fee and sometimes they are free. But, Non-Zionist Torah True Jews are not wealthy people.”

          So the bad Jews are Zionists and they are rich… and the good Jews are just Jews and they are poor?[/quote]

          I implied nothing about Jews in general! I merely stated that Non-Zionist Torah True Jews are not wealthy. If you think that Zionism is good, that’s your business! I, personally, would not view the torture of Palestinians and the shabby treatment of Israeli Arabs and Black Jews From Ethiopia who are descendents of Biblical Hebrews as good! Let us not forget that Ashkenazi Jews are of Asiatic-Terkic origin and any Non-Zionist Ashkenazi Jew will tell you that. The Arabs are of Semitic origion and neither the Ashkenazi Jews nor the Arabs are related to the Biblical Hebrews.

          {Note: Due to information that is about to be made available, you are going to be in for a very big shock! We disagree; but, I honestly believe that you are as sincere as I am! So, be prepared!}

          1. What I think…
            Nobody is perfect. No one at all. There is no perfect religion, no perfect race, no perfect government, no perfect view of other peoples by any other peoples.

            What we often tend to do, though, is to create perfection as a concept and as close to our own beliefs as we can. From there, we apply it against all those around us to help identify who we like and dislike.

            Zionism, as it is today perceived, is just such a creation and it works as designed so that we can isolate certain segments… culling them from the whole to hold up and say: This is who I am talking about!

            I personally do not fully understand why the Jews (as opposed to any other group) have been one of civilization’s favorite targets for this kind of application. But history is fairly clear that they have been and are once again.

            Of course, it is difficult to justify such prejudices to the general public after what the Nazis did. So, the answer has been to sanction this in western cultures via a back road called Zionism.

            Meanwhile, back at the ranch, more direct assaults against Jews in general are being carried out by those like Iran’s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. He breaks the thicker ice by denying the holocaust and openly calling for the destruction of Israel. Once the taboo on such rhetoric is lifted via an ongoing campaign of desensitization, the concept of being against just those old ee-ville Zionists will fade and we can get back to those cute little Stars of David being stitched to shirts and blouses… etc.

            Whether or not you yourself are genuinely opposed to Zionism alone and not Jews in general, doesn’t really effect the greater antisemitic movement because there are many, many, many others that are happily riding the anti-Zionist train to the station where they can transfer over to the larger anti-Jewish line.

            Israel is not perfect. Jews are not perfect. No nation and no person nor group of people are perfect. No idea, no movement, no concept, no human dream of utopia is that way, either.

            And now we should also know, there are no perfect anti-movements, no perfect anti-anythings that are perfect.

            This is imperfection calling the imperfect bad names.

            But that is us… that is humanity just all over the place and one more good reason not to waste your life sitting at the spinning wheel of negativity.

            Peace 🙂

          2. I used to pay no attention at
            I used to pay no attention at all to these absurd, childish and endlessly circular religious debates. It was only after discovering the role of Judeo fundies like Silverstein, Netanyahu, Chertoff, Jerome Hauer, Dov Zakheim et al’s role in the 911 false flag that I began to sit up and take notice. Religious and racial fanaticism has real consequencies when nutters like these cats can worm their way into positions of power as they did in the tragic GW Bush administration and prrecipitate events all to real especially for any parent of children of draft age. I know several people whose sons returned home from Iraq and Afghanistan in flag draped coffins because of these wars precipitated by a hoaked up event by lunatics intent on carving up the middle east for Israel and getting the US to do all the heavy and bloody lifting.

          3. What?!?!?
            Israel was restrained from taking over Cairo by the UN. Israel dominated Syrian airspace and had destroyed 85% of their armor. Damascus was theirs for the taking. This is after they were attacked by multiple arab countries in a concerted effort to commit genocide. The Israelis not only defended themselves, they launched counter attacks that decimated their enemies. Only the begging of the UN and with the threat of blockade did Israel show restraint and not take the arab capital cities.

            They did all of this by themselves . . . what planet do you live on? Oh, I recognize it . . it’s Planet Hate, and your favorite reading book is the Protocols for the Elders of Zion. If even one person is harmed for your vitrol, may it weigh HEAVILY on your soul forever after.

            Remember, no one gets out of here alive. . and you either disintegrate or carry on. If you just disintegrate, and like others say with typical socialist/communist glee, that there is no God, why not start with murder and mayhem right now (or maybe you DID read history and you’re afraid of the fight that you will have on your hands)? Consider for a moment if you DO in fact carry on, and there is Spirit . . . well, I’ll just let you think on that one for a while and hope for the best.

            ASM

  8. This is a fairly typical non
    This is a fairly typical non sequitur rant. The minute someone starts talking about the complicity of certain Israeli power brokers in the 911 false flag the respondent just changes the subject or goes off on some tangent full of antisemitism angst hoping no one will notice the rhetorical sleight of hand. The Absoprtion Ministry trolls that swarm the internet practice most often the tactic of “association fallacy” whereby they attempt to throw anyone exposing Israel’s role in this seminal false flag with a whole tranche of other ideas so as to attempt to pigeonhole them as nutcases. It doesn’t work anymore, but it is still fun to show these people up for what they really are – accomplices in a great mass murder that is still ongoing.

    By the way, any deep analysis of the 911 false flag collars many other players beside crazed Zionists with more money than sense. There is also the wholesale collusion of many members of our own defense establishment, so this was not solely a “Zionist” op. The Ziofundies were just very handy and willing accomplices.

    Denial, denial, denial. It is not a river in Egypt.

    1. I Agree With You! But,…
      Emlong,

      Ashkenazi Zionist Jews are Asiatic-Turkic, Not Semetic. Arabs are Semetic. Neither of them are related to Biblical Jews! Therefore, the fact that I’m Pro-Palestinian does Not make me Anti-Semetic. Furthermore, only a very small percentage of Ashkenazi Jews world wide are Zionists. So, the fact that I’m Anti-Zionist does Not make me either Anti-Jewish or Anti-Ashkenazi. The vast majority of Jews in the world are Asiatic-Turkic Eastern European Askenazi Jews who are totally unrelated to Biblical Jews. Furthermore, I don’t believe in anything! To me, God is Dog spelled backward! But, given ethnic realities, I cannot support Ashkenazi Zionist Jewish claims in Greater Palestine and, to me, it will always be Greater Palestine!

      1. You are so wrong . . .
        but trying to convince you of anything is like trying to convince the rocks and stones to sing. Continue to warp reality, it won’t help in the end as you are entitled to your own opinion, but you are not entitled to your own facts . . and you are amazingly fact challenged.

        ASM

        1. I Have Documented This On TDG Before,…
          AncientSkyMan,

          Scientific Genetic evidence proves that the Biblical Hebrews were Negroid, Not Asiatic-Turkic like Ashkenazi Jews. If Shem had ever existed, he would have been Negroid like his father Noah. Personally, I think that the Biblical Flood Stories were lifted from the Gilgamish Epic and other ancient sources and that Noah and his family are literary characters. But, the points are that the Biblical Jews were Negroid and that you are not related to them. Live with it! Better yet, let’s just agree to disagree; because, you are the hard head, not me!

          1. Move along
            You should all consider to drop this. The thread has devolved into a rant centered around Israel and Judaism and it sure wasn’t its purpose.

            And it really doesn’t matter anymore whether Zahi had antisemitic views or not, because (in case you hadn’t heard) he has just resigned from the Egyptian government.

            On to the next one.

          2. Nature of this beast
            TDG brings us all here under the same sun & sky on many subjects… politics and global strife not being among them.

            It remains my opinion that it is a mistake to go down these roads here… but so long as we do, we shall all drink and this will be the result.

            Politically, we are a family of strangers… so why even go there?

          3. UH, that was Zahi’s purpose.
            UH, that was Zahi’s purpose. We are not deviating from the original article at all.

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