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UFOs and Skeptics Ad Nauseum

Seriously, is there a decent UFO skeptic out there? Any applicants, please note – it’s an easy job, there’s one big barrel absolutely filled with fish; just load and shoot. But please don’t do it like this guy, who seems to completely miss the barrel everytime he unloads a round. Brian Dunning – who has a history of crappy critical thinking, often related to his arch-nemesis Stanton Friedman – has figured out the author of the infamous ‘Majestic-12‘ (MJ12) documents. Guess who?

The late Philip Klass, perhaps the best known of the skeptical UFO investigators, once tried to flush out the author. One of the papers, known as the Cutler/Twining Memo, was in a certain unusual typeface, and Klass reasoned that whoever wrote it probably had authentic government documents from the same period to use as a style guide. He offered a cash reward for any extant examples. Who sprang forward with handy documents to claim the prize? None other than Stanton Friedman. Klass paid him $1000 (probably considering it a bargain), and Friedman’s reputation was permanently stained as a result. Tip to paranormal hoaxers hoping to make a career out of it: Don’t take the bait if you don’t want to be hooked.

Brian ‘Skeptologist’ Dunning has previously posted some really poor efforts, but this one entertains me no end. In this particular case, Phil Klass got stomped on by Stan Friedman – but to Dunning, it was all part of a greater plan by Klass to out the MJ12 hoaxer. Ugh, modern skepticism. Die already.

(** Note: I am not an MJ12 proponent, my personal belief is that it is a hoax perpetrated by the USAF, or at least individuals within the USAF. This post is not arguing for the authenticity of the documents, it is simply boggling at the amateur efforts of a supposedly top-shelf skeptic)

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  1. Stan?
    WTF? what mind altering substance is this Dunning guy on? First, he got the whole story wrong on the 1000$. It wasn’t a phony Randy challenge open to anyone. It was a bet between the two. I think it’s just a personnal vendetta

    Everyday, debunkers get me worked up by their lack of klass, pun intended.

  2. MJ-12 is a haystack
    MJ-12 is a haystack. There might be a genuine alien needle in there among all those papers; but I’m also betting that its buried under a ton of disinformation.

    I once read somewhere that there indeed was a Majestic 12 group, but that it had nothing remotely to do with UFOs; so that’s a typical disinformation tactic: to switch the names of groups and operations to confuse *AND* tag the info.

  3. Skeptik interview
    Just to show how much nonsense comes out of a skeptik mouth, The Paracast had a show August 30th with one of them creatures. No freakin idea what he was talking about, labeled every experiencers a liar (including Gordon Cooper).

    Q: Did you read about case X?

    A: Why? It’s probably a hoax or the guy is a liar. Never read the story, but it doesn’t matter. It just hogwash, no need to waste my time on this BS. It was probably a tooth fairy or a dinosaur in the Loch Ness…

    That show REALLY got me ticked off with hard core debunkers.

    Not that gullible UFO believers that see a light reflection in a window and will swear on their mother’s grave they saw a UFO don’t annoy the cr@p out of me, they are as bad, IMHO

    1. Amen
      Amen, Sagittarius. The worse thing is, the two extremes are prevalent in the media. The Michael Shermers and Stan Romaneks will always get attention – polarisation of topics into extremes always rates, it’s the nature of media and society I’m afraid. The issues aren’t so much within skepticism and UFOlogy, but society and media in general. And I can’t see that changing anytime soon.

      Huzzah for TDG, fighting the good fight!

    2. True dat
      You’re right. The guy was a moron.

      When the Paracasters posited that Air Force pilots have reported UFOs —and not just some weird lights, but more amazing phenomena, like the RB47 case— the guy Poo pooed it by almost claiming that we humans have a very lousy mass of watery goo in our skulls that can barely keep us alive. And Gordon Cooper? like you said, he was *this* close from affirming that the astronaut was senile.

      “I already know the answer, so don’t bother me with the details of a particular case”.

  4. Defining the Debunker
    I think the debunker-type skeptic is the result of the same kind of thought-sink you find in the political arena. You know the ones I’m talking about; the partisan gladiators who keep a little book of their party platform & slogans and refer to it every morning when deciding which shoes to wear.

    Yup, just like that.

    The debunker is built from the same set of blueprints and because of that, no matter what the proof or who may be presenting it, there is just not a snowball’s chance in hell that it will make a whit of difference. Their mind is made up, locked down, sealed in a sterile environment and then buried in cement in an abandoned missile silo.

    Discovery is treason when the only is product is denial.

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