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Tuesday Roundup 04-12-2007

A strange assortment to get you through the week…

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  1. Jay Weidner, Hype and Hoagland
    Weidner is so intent on hyping Hoagland’s book that he doesn’t realize that he’s making very little sense.

    If there were a NASA cover up, there’d be no R-277 document available today, nor photographs for Hoagland and he to go over. Even if there were no R-277, all those observations are from sources referenced by the document, and are freely available.

    Kubrick (and Clarke) started writing 2001 in 1964. It was based on “The Sentinel”, written in 1948 (and describing the “monolith”), and 3 or 4 other stories all previously written by Clarke and published well prior to 1964.

    It is not NASA’s place to explain anything. NASA provides the mechanism and means for scientists to carry out observations and make conclusions. NASA has never denied the anomalies observed (largely for the reason above), nor have astronomers.

    The Apollo 11 tapes were not lost. They, and the Saturn V documents, were sought by someone, and the NASA personnel that the inquiry was directed to didn’t know where they were. This is what got publicized. They were subsequently found by the archivists responsible for them. This too was reported, but largely ignored by those who prefer the first story.

    Not only are the (cleaned up) Houston tapes still available, the original tapes from the Australian receivers (the site actually receiving the Apollo 11 broadcast) are also, with all the noise and mistakes (such as the first 20 seconds being upside down). The latter was what was distributed to Australia’s TV network, so everyone there saw the original. That’s an awful lot of witnesses to what Houston cut and cleaned up. Nobody there reported anything strange other than the video problems already noted by the Aussie teams at Honeysuckle Creek (see the article “On Eagle’s Wings” describing the events at http://www.parkes.atnf.csiro.au)

    In any event, there were no “videotapes”. There was no such technology available. What was done and distributed were “kines”, or 16mm movie footage filmed from the screens of the monitors. What NASA edited from these was what was seen by all of Australia.

    I haven’t ready Hoagland’s book, and don’t intend to. If it includes the accusation that secret moon missions were launched (as “Dark Mission” seems to imply), it not only is copying previously known conspiracy theory, but I predict it is discreditable for the same reason: it takes an enormous amount of rocket power to lift enough hardware and fuel to get to the moon. The amount necessary would be impossible to hide from the population, and especially the amateur radio operators that scan for any and all broadcasts as well as the amateur and professional astronomers who would have seen it. All the designs proposed for lunar exploration are known and published, including those that are claimed to be “suppressed” by some. there are, in fact, far more proposed designs than the conspiracy theorists even consider. For this more complete collection of designs, used and unused, see Encyclopedia Astronautica (http://www.astronautix.com/). It includes designs “leaked” by sources such as Aviation Weekly.

    If NASA were going to investigate the anomalies, they’d have sent a landing mission to Aristarchus, the site where the most such anomalies were observed. They didn’t. Of all the anomalies reported for the 50 years prior to Apollo 11, only two were reported at sites subsequently picked as Apollo landing sites, and one of those was discredited by another astronomer at the time. The other was seen in Tranquility. Had the Apollo 11 team seen anything strange, it might not be included in the Houston kines, but it certainly would have been in the Australian ones. There were none.

    And not from Weidner, but from an earlier reply to him:
    “Scalar technology” is ridiculous prima facia. A scalar is a measurement variable that only has a magnitude, such as a speed or temperature, as opposed to a vector, which has a direction included. Maxwell’s equations could be written using 8 scalar equations. It can also be written using 4, or even 2, vector equations. Since it was intended to describe electromagnetic lines of force, in particular their circular nature, including direction in the equations makes more sense. A scalar technology would not be dynamic, it would be static. The first reply mentions TT Brown. His equations were vector, as they described a dynamic force, and the technology derived was definitely motion based (either of the device or EM forces being manipulated). Maxwell originally wrote his work in 20 equations based on quaternions. As noted by Bearden, “A higher group symmetry algebra such as quaternions will contain and allow many more operations than a lower algebra such as tensors, which itself contains more than an even lower algebra such as vectors.” (http://www.cheniere.org/correspondence/011203.htm). That’s two levels above vectors, which are a higher group than scalars. All these algebras are described in Wikipedia for anyone interested. The use of “scalar technologies” is no more meaningful than the inappropriate use of “quantum” and “holographic” by people who want to sound knowledgeable by calling in concepts poorly understood by most of the people in the intended audience. Its use by researchers who actually try to investigate natural phenomena may be an honest mistake, but it’s still a mistake, unless it’s investigating something static.

    Hoagland has already been proven to be wrong as a football bat. He could have been just wrong, as many scientists often are. But he has persisted on insisting, despite the evidence. He has lost his credibility. The data he typically presents is better explained in ways other than what he uses. If he were ever right about anything, very few who actually could investigate and validate his claims would believe him. That’s the result of interpreting things in ways that fly in the face of better explanations.

    No, I am not the brain specialist…..
    YES. Yes I AM the brain specialist.

    1. Lost & Found
      Hey DynaSoar.

      [quote=DynaSoar]The Apollo 11 tapes were not lost. They, and the Saturn V documents, were sought by someone, and the NASA personnel that the inquiry was directed to didn’t know where they were. This is what got publicized. They were subsequently found by the archivists responsible for them. This too was reported, but largely ignored by those who prefer the first story.[/quote]

      From an article of msnbc.com
      :

      [quote]“I would simply like to clarify that the tapes are not lost as such, which implies they were badly handled, misplaced and are now gone forever. That is not the case,” explained John Sarkissian, operations scientist at the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization’s (CSIRO) Parkes Radio Observatory in Parkes, Australia.

      Sarkissian said the tapes were appropriately handled and archived in the mid-1970s after the hectic activity of the Apollo lunar landing era was over. “We are confident that they are stored at [NASA’s] Goddard Space Flight Center [in Greenbelt, Md.] … we just don’t know where precisely,” [/quote]

      I’m pretty confident that I have TONS of stuff that I’ve “lost” and have not left the perimeter of my home, but that does not make them any less lost for all practical purposes 🙂

      Ok, jokes aside, if the tapes have been located, where are they? When can we see them being broadcast on prime time television, or in a DVD format?

      I’ve been reading about the lost tapes for more than a year now (there was a good article by Wired), and I was still under the impression that NASA was still looking, but that they weren’t making that big an effort, so the task was undertaken by volunteers.

      But yes, you’re right that much of what Hoagland says would need to be taken with a serious grain of salt. For example, undertaking a secret lunar mission would have been impossible to hide from the russians, who would undoubtedly have registered the launch with their instruments, and shouted it to the world.

      Regardless, there are reasons to suspect there have been several black-ops projects by the Pentagon to develop suborbital space planes, such as the Dark Star. Those launches can be undertaken inside military bases with more discretion.

      Well, now that space is becoming more open to other nations and privat ecompanies aswell, it could not be long before we find out if Hoagland’s hyperbole has a base of truth in it, right?

      —–
      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

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