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Tuesday Roundup 08-08-2006

A strange assortment to get you through the week…

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  1. The Singing Pyramid
    That’s an excellent article by Alan Alford about the earth vibrations making the GP sing.
    And there is no reason why he couldn’t be right on the ball with that hypothesis.

    I saw the TV doco that was made by NG with Zahi opening the tomb of the overseer.It also had Gantenbrink’s robot going up the air shaft? in it.

    That is the first time ever I have seen the actual stones of the GP in close-up and I have to say they are mind-boggling.
    The work in the king’s sarcophagus, with the granite finely honed to perfection is amazing.
    I also saw the supposed air shafts up close as well and could see that the opening of the shaft is granite and it also is cut very fine to make the corners.

    Seeing the large stones in the Grand Gallery so close made me think that they could not possibly be a conglomerate.They are stones, plain and simple, and cut perfectly to fit together.

    Just because we don’t understand how it was done is no reason for those loopy archaeologists to say that of course it was done with copper tools.

    Another thing in the doco.They said 100,000 men worked for 20 years to make the GP.
    Well where did they get the 100,000 men?
    The population of the world is supposed to have dropped to either 10,000 or 5,000 during the Ice Age depending on which branch of science reports it.And that was only 10,500 to 12,000 years ago.
    Now Dr Robert Schoch puts the age of the Sphinx at maybe 10,000 years, and if the GP was built then, I can’t see 100,000 men doing it.
    Anyway a large population was needed for agriculture, which was intensive labour.

    Yes there is evidence of many people living in the area as found in the remains of their living conditions, but does that necessarily mean they were the ones who built the GP?
    The fact that women and children lived there could well mean that a village was situated there for a time near the GP.

    In the doco Zahi was fondling a round stone like a large geode and explaining how these were the stones used to shape the faces of the statues.
    Bullpoop!
    The only face you could shape with that stone would be Zahi’s and I would love to try it.
    His continual bleating about the Egyptians of 4,000 years ago being the same brilliant people as the Egyptians of the present time made me sick.

    While I am on the subject of Zahi and how he controls the most famous and mysterious of the ancients monuments to suit himself, someone should get his government to force him to open the store rooms of the Cairo Museum to the various scientific disiciplines around the world.
    They don’t even know what they have in those store rooms and basement.
    There are miles of wonderful artifacts and who knows what else.
    Its like the Smithsonian.Its in our basement so we own it and you aint gunna see it.

    The sooner we all become citizens of the world instead of small parts of the world the better.

    shadows

    1. The Sarcophagus Shadow Mentions
      Dear Shadow.

      Everybody has heard that the stones of the pyramid are tooled so finely and placed so close that you can’t fit a credit card between them.

      Christopher Dunn, in “Forbidden History,” tells how he took a metal straight edge, held it against an inner wall of the so-called “sarcophagus,” and then shone a light behind it.

      The light didn’t show where the metal met the stone, and what’s thinner than light?

      Best!

      Jeff

      1. Incredible
        Hi Jeff,

        I asked someone once why did the builders of the GP go to so much trouble to make so many perfect edges and corners and the person told me…because they could.
        But if they could, why did they not do it on every other construction.
        I suppose if we find out the why of it, we will also know the who.
        But for now I am convinced that the people in charge of the Giza Plateau are not the ones who know the who or the why.

        shadows

        1. Agreed
          And it was most probably not their predecessors that built them. They continue to date this structure on a fraudulent paint marking made by a desperate researcher in the last days of a dig around 150 years ago.

          There are no other markings or evidence that this structure is a 4th dynasty construction; absolutely nothing! No civilisation builds something this extraordinary without a very good reason. Vanity is not enough, because if it was then the structure would be covered with markings as all other dynasty structures are.

          Alford’s statements in this instance are logical and based upon others’ research and hard work. Unfortunately whilst the current baboons are in authority in Egypt limited or no access will be granted to challenge the current documented history of the tomb theory and the great Egyptians of the past.

          There must be something in this structure that can be dated accurately in some way and some methods of non-invasive structure analysis that can be performed to challenge current thinking. Maybe the world will have to wait until this can be accurately completed by satellite outside the realm of the self appointed masters.

          AAiek

          1. The Great Pyramid
            Above the entrance on the northern side is written in hieroglyphic writing “Horizon of Khufu”. The pyramid was most definitely built for Khufu in the 4th dynasty.

          2. hi Lee
            I don’t know where you got your information from, but the only inscriptions above the entrance to the GP have never been dicifered, the hieoroglyphs do not appear to be Egyption. And are VERY old. My information and pictures I have came from a very reliable source.

          3. Hi floppy
            I thought the only writing in the GP was some grafitti inside up above the king’s chamber.
            One of them was supposedly found and maybe written by Howard Vise and the other one I saw Zahi the other day showing what was supposed to be the cartouche of Khufu above his head even higher than the first one.
            From what I have read neither of these are supposed to truly represent hieroglyphics done by Khufu’s mob.
            AAiek will know, he is an expert on Egypt.

            shadows

          4. I wish Shadows!
            I am purely an interested bystander that is forced to sit back and observe the monkeys running things (thanks Greg).

            The only marking I am aware of is the red paint marking of “a certain cartouche” Khufu’s to be exact that was “found” by Vise on the very last days of his dig. This marking, which many contest, is a fraud because it is “spelt” as the textbooks of the day understood hieroglyphics. The textbooks were later corrected; the marking could not be.

            It most probably shows the desperation of Vise and the need to find something to substantiate spending others money. The sad aspect was that he used TNT in / around the kings chamber to “find” or “paint” it. The marking is inside the first level of the ceiling structure of the kings chamber that was not accessible until Mr Vise’s “skill” with TNT.

            This is the only “evidence” available that “experts” use to date the GP as 4th dynasty. Nothing else exists; unless you study Mark Lehner’s bread tin and fish bone analysis and actually believe it.

            I wish I had the answers but like most cannot fathom why a civilisation would build such a structure, and what its real purpose was or is. Anyone who accepts the tomb theory should do some more reading and educate themselves a little more.

            My biggest regret is that I believe that in my life I will not see any progress in real investigative research because of the current regime in Egypt. From a bystanders’ perspective no new and credible information is being written mostly because no one can get access to the GP. The large majority of information like Alford’s spiel is a rehash of others past work. This information makes sense and is logical but needs further research to validate it further.

            Maybe the only alternative is to lobby someone very rich for financial backing so that impartial researchers can have the way bought back in to Giza.

            AAiek

          5. hi AAiek……
            Dr Schock mentions a couple in his artical Exploring the Great Pyramid.It is a very good read.

          6. Dating the GP
            Speaking of dates… I don’t remember reading any updates regarding the carbon dating of that stick they found with the robot in the interior shaft. Does anyone know if that was ever done, and if so, who did the dating and what the results were?

            Kat

          7. Akhet
            I do beg your pardon. Not ‘Akhet Khufu’, but just the glyph ‘akhet’ is modelled in stone above the entrance on the north side of the Great Pyramid. It can be seen within the triangle in the following picture:

            http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/images/great_pyramid/great_pyramid_05.jpg

            It depicts the sun setting between two hills.

            This glyph, of course, cannot be used to infer that Khufu built the pyramid. However, the red markings in the relieving chambers most definitely can. Vyse did not forge these. They were painted there by one of Khufu’s work gangs. The marking gives the name of the gang.

            There are many mysteries surrounding the Great Pyramid, but who built it is not a mystery. We know definitively that Khufu built it, as a tomb for himself. His sarcophagus is in the chamber. His burial remains were stolen some time in the past. The remains of about six different kings have been found in other pyramids, confirming that the pyramids were built as tombs.

            Follow the evidence.

          8. Lee
            that is not a glyph. And there is not definative evidence to surport the GP was built by and for Khufu. If there was then there would not have been this debate going for many years. The first chance I get to ask a person I know has been there and carefully examined all these areas, I will.

          9. What debate?
            The ‘akhet’ glyph –

            http://www.eclipse-chasers.com/akhet.jpg

            – is numbered N27 in Gardiner’s sign list.

            One of the features of the Great Pyramid that tells us that it was built in the 4th dynasty is the passageway system. The entrance passage descends southward at a 26 degree angle, then ascends at the same angle until the burial chamber is reached. This design was copied from the passageway system of the subsidiary pyramid to the Bent Pyramid, built by king Sneferu who was Khufu’s father. Sneferu’s remains were found in the Red Pyramid, indicating that this pyramid was his tomb.

            If the Great Pyramid was not Khufu’s tomb, what was the sarcophagus in the upper chamber for? Where else would his remains be? Use Occam’s razor.

            You should read Wikipedia’s entry on the Great Pyramid of Giza:

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Pyramid_of_Giza

          10. mmmm ok then
            you have obviously done many years of research and know exactly what you are talking about…..only i’m a little intrigued that you did not know about the debate over the GP that has been going on for many many years.

          11. Evidence?
            Hi Lee,

            Despite what we were taught in grade-school, no mummy of a pharaoh has ever been found in a pyramid in Egypt. Mummies of pharaohs are found in the Valley of the Kings.

            Some mummified body parts have been found in Egyptian pyramids- a foot at Djoser, a right arm at Unas, an arm and a shoulder at the pyramid of Teti, bone fragments and wrappings at the pyramids of Pepi 1 and 2, and charred bones. Vyse found a female skeleton of a young woman at one of Menkaure’s pyramids. But none of these body parts has ever been identified as belonging to a pharaoh. In fact, intrusive burials, placing remains of someone else in an existing tomb, was common practice.

            If they were intended to be the tomb of a pharaoh, why build more than one?

            Bill

  2. Khufu’s pyramid
    The Vyse forgery claim was debunked in 2001 by Martin Stower. Vyse could not have made these markings, as part of them are hidden behind the floor slab in the relieving chamber. Graham Hancock has accepted Stower’s argument, and accepts that they were made by the builders during the construction of the pyramid in the 4th dynasty.

    http://www.grahamhancock.com/features/maat_methods-p3.htm

    If you read Lehner’s “The Complete Pyramids” you will note that all five relieving chambers contain these markings.

    1. hey Lee….
      I do not know where you are going with this. Your link gives no evidence either way. As for Lehner, well I would listen to my 11 year old daughter first……These men like Lehner and Zahi are paid a lot of money to turn speculation into fact in peoples heads.
      If the evidence was as plain and simple as you say, then there would be no mystery. But there is a great mystery and no real founded fact to the GP’s construction purpose.
      If we were to say that it was built by Khufu for his tomb, then where is he??? where are the relics?? where are all the inscriptions so prominent in other tombs?? Too many questions and no real factual answers. But I would rather stick to the facts we do have. And one is that Vyse’s claims are very dubious. Why would the only markings linking Khufu to the GP be in a red paint on a ceiling……..As for what Lehner writes, I can’t believe a word from him.

      1. Hi Lee
        Several more issues to spoil the tomb theory.

        If the GP was a tomb, then why is the Sarcophagus one inch wider than the “tunnel” it was supposedly dragged up? Why is it definitely Khufu’s sarcophagus; it is not written anywhere in the structure. Why have there never been any 4th dynasty mummies located? Why is the construction methods of ‘4th’ and ‘5th’ dynasty structures so different; the former of solid stone construction and the later mud bricks? One could make a comparison between a Rolls Royce and a Model T Ford with the roller coming first.

        Why are ‘5th’ dynasty pyramids covered with hieroglyphs and paintings and the GP devoid of all markings? Did the ruling class of Egypt gain arrogance all of a sudden at the beginning of the 5th dynasty?

        What proof is there that Khufu definitely built the GP? The only fact is that no one has found his mummy. Unfortunately we live in a time where authors can make serious money from a great story. Your statement regarding Hancock accepting Stower’s argument fits Hancock into a category of an author accepting something to prove the rest of his theory. I don’t classify Hancock as a great authority on Egypt.

        I saw a great doco the other night on the author of 1421. The whole thing is an absolute scam and is nothing but a novel.

        I agree with others here and have no faith in Lehner and his leader. They cannot be believed and have proven time and time again that manipulation of history is a daily occurrence in Egypt.
        AAiek

    2. Floppy Has Some Very Good Points!
      Lee

      We do not have enough hard evidence to be dogmatic! There is an on going debate about about who built the Great Pyramid and when it was built. There is no hard evidence to indicate its intended use! Your evidence on the intended use of the GP is entirely circumstantial. Furthermore, grave robbers didn’t, as a general rule, steal bones and they didn’t pick the tombs so clean that there was no hard evidence that could be found! Yet, there is no hard evidence of a corpse being burried inside the GP! Interesting! So, what do we really know? In my opinion, the answer is nothing!

      What do you think?

      cnnek

      {You Can Teach People How To Think Or What To Think; But, You Can’t Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think!!!}

      1. Further information on the GP to add into the pot
        Hi,i’ve just joined what looks to be a great site!
        i have this info on the pyramids that i would like to post (hope its not too long!)

        Taken from the book: Atlantis to the Latter Days, published by the Knights Templars of Aquarius 1957,
        inspirationally dictated to H.C. Randall-Stevens (El Eros) by the Masters Oneferu and Adolemy of the Osirian Group.

        (summed up by me lol)

        The pyramids of Egypt will one day when the time is right awaken from their dumb silence a be the proof that so many are looking for.

        The Pyramids and the Sphinx in the land of Egypt were – and are to be revealved – The Centre of Initiation. the Great Pyramids symbolises what has been and what is to come. The Sphinx is the entrance and it will be discovered that the Doorway of the Sphinx links to the three pyramids with underground passage ways.

        Isaiah xix 19,20
        “In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.
        And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt”.

        The destruction of Atlantis left but a mere handful of people to carry on the civilisation that had been lost. Some, of these people landed in Egypt and were led by a man called Horhotep (the same as Mizrahim, son of Ham, son of Noah)

        Horhotep received a vision while still in Atlantis; this vision showed him the plans for the construction of the Pyramids and the Sphinx to be built in Egypt. The same as built in Atlantis and called the Sacred Heights in the Country of the Gods. It is said that the Sacred Heights could only be entered by transcending in the Spirit and here the sacred books of Creation were kept. Alas, with the evilness that had overtaken Atlantis the Sacred Heights had to be hidden and taken away and a new place found to kept the ancient knowledge. The same concept of transcending into the Sacred Heights applied to the Great Pyramid.

        The building of this Centre in Egypt took one thousand and fifty years from the time of its commencement to the time of its completion. The building was done by means of leviation of the stone (a method used in Atlantis but lost to us) as well as advanced tools that cut like a knife through butter.

        Horhotep heard a voice in his vision: “Behold, I will plant these my foundation stones in the land of Khemu that they may be a revelation unto the children of Earth, and that they may give proof unto the words which have been spoken by my prophets from time to time; for I say unto thee that in a day which has yet to dawn the secrets which shall be locked in the bosom of the Sphinx shall be revealed”.

        Initiation in the Centre took place as follows;

        The neophyte after satisfactorily answer questions put to him by a Priest was conducted inside the Sphinx and underwent a process of purification. His head and hands were anointed as was also his heart, which must be clean before the neophyte could be introduced into the presence of Ptah. This was called the Temple of Purification.

        When this had been successfully accomplished, the neophyte was handed over to the Priest of the Sphinx. Here the neophyte was explained further symbolic mysteries after this he was placed in a sarcophagus to signify that he had buried the desires of the earthly body, and was ready to seek the spirituality of truth. This preliminary initiation having been successfully accomplished, he was dressed in a robe of white, which had woven upon the breast a circle which enclosed the Sacred Ankh of the Cosmos.

        The neophyte was then conducted to into the Halls of Mystery and was given a small lamp which he was told would give him light until such time as he should find his way into the Halls of Light. He was told that if he failed to find these Halls within a certain time, the lamp would be become extinguised, and he would be lost in the Chambers of Darkness which were guarded by Set, and his friends.

        The Priest of the Sphinx opened the door of the Hall for him bidding him enter and follow Osiris whom he would find enshrined in the House of Stone which was surrounded by a lake of crystal water, upon which floated the flowers of the lotus. Upon the neophyte entering he seemed to become mysteriously alert; he would think that he heard music and the voices of many priests. Many phantoms and visions would crowd his brain and he would cast an anxious eye at the lamp; at length worn out in the realisation of his helplessness he would sink down, and sleep would claim his exhausted body. Then and only then would his real experiences commence.

        Suddenly, he would seem to be wide awake, and yet it seemed to him as if he were watching his own body, for there it lay on the stone floor. Then he would look around him and see a figure clad all in white holding out to the neophyte the Symbol of Life. He would be beckoned on in this manner throughtout the great halls and chambers within the centre. Each time passing a test through what his heart perceived in its surroundings – which indeed were transcend and in the spirit.

        And so forth the neophyte in accomplishing the various stages in the pyramid would become initiated; if he failed at a stage he would found himself back in his body at the beginning.

        These were the stages for a neophyte one can only imagine the powerful vision one already initiated had in this Great Centre. The shafts (wrongly indentified by some as air ventilations) are perfectly aligned to the stars (the Orian System in this recently passed period) and it is the Ray of the Star that will awaken the truth of the Great Pyramid.

        Any comments?
        thanks

        Thoughts are but wandering spirits that depend for their vitality upon the magnetic currents of feeling

        1. Hail And Welcome!
          Caryn

          We are happy to have you with us! I enjoyed reading your post. It was really interesting.

          What do you think?

          cnnek

          {You Can Teach People How To Think Or What To Think; But, You Can’t Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think!!!}

          1. Heya
            Thanks for the welcome ccnek 🙂

            lol .. i think yes, yes indeed this is what happened.

            Thoughts are but wandering spirits that depend for their vitality upon the magnetic currents of feeling

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