Is the alleged Bosnian Pyramid...
Posted by Greg at 06:17, 20 May 2006Completely man-made
35% (591 votes)
Augmented by humans
38% (655 votes)
A mountain
27% (460 votes)
Total votes: 1706
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1 May 2004
1 day 19 hours
I haven't voted yet....I need a bit more time to see what more is dug up.....too early to tell for me yet.....But if I had to vote, a mountain would be a safe bet.
30 April 2004
12 weeks 3 days
Just a mountain? I think not...
http://www.bosnian-pyramid.com/downloads...
22 May 2006
5 years 37 weeks
Has anyone else noticed what appears to be some sort of script carved on the stone in the last picture in this article?
1 June 2004
49 weeks 2 days
Zahi will not be happy with this. Someone took this pyramid from Egypt without telling them and it now needs to be returned. There will be no more grants or permission for digs in Egypt for this country until this struture is returned to its rightful place.
Soon this dig will uncover remians of civilisations that lived around near this pyramid. Based on Zahi's and his shadow's (Lehner) advice this will prove beyond doubt that people built these structures. Their advice will be based on the proven methods of dating civilisations and structures by locating ancient bakeries and fish bones and then making huge assumptions that realign history to the current agendas of the government of the day.
Expect some high quality documentaries showing Indiana Jones styled hats and 'live' tomb openings. These docos are sure to have at leat six references to pyramidiots and western influences.
AAiek
10 August 2004
18 hours 33 min
I just love that!!!
Regards, Kathrinn
22 November 2004
2 weeks 2 hours
This is even more impressive than the ancients building these things - as you correctly point out, they could move large pyramids across large distances.
Because obviously, piling stones in a very large heap, in such a way that they don't fall down, could only have been invented in one place. And Zahi is one of those authorities who knows where that place was.
10 January 2005
3 years 33 weeks
Your comment is ABSOLUTELY a scream!!! I totally cracked up!
10 January 2005
3 years 33 weeks
My last comment was in reply to AAIEK'S comment--I was laughing so hard I got my reply in the wrong spot---
22 November 2004
2 weeks 2 hours
put me down as "undecided"
13 May 2004
10 weeks 5 days
Was just having a quick squizz at the satellite imagery in the report, and was wondering if anyone has yet done an analysis of the positioning of the 'pyramids' in relation to stellar positions.
i.e. is there an 'as above, so below' mirror of the heavens as per the Orion correlation at Giza?
Someone get Robert Bauval on the blower....
yer ol' pal,
Xibalba
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19 May 2006
5 years 32 weeks
Does anybody know the coordinates of the pyramid? (google earth!)
22 November 2004
2 weeks 2 hours
There are a number of websites who promote information about this. I sent email to one of them, perhaps if more people ask, they will tell us.
But, having said that, I don't know if there are high resolution images of that area on Google Earth or NASA WorldWind.
19 June 2006
3 years 30 weeks
http://www.bosnianpyramid.com/index_file...
26 February 2005
2 years 29 weeks
Hey Mr. X.
I have been looking all over for the satellite imagery. I had read statements that people are using the images, but even on a search and all of the sites I have been to , I can not find the images people are referring to. Do you know where I can go to see them?
Or has any one seen them and can you direct me to the correct URL?
Thank you ,
Colette
I voted augmented.
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
13 May 2004
10 weeks 5 days
Use the link in this post
That's the only imagery I've seen, although someone (Kat, I think, or Kathrinn) has posted the Google Earth coordinates on this thread somewhere.
EDIT: Doh! here!
yer ol' pal,
Xibalba
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26 February 2005
2 years 29 weeks
Thank you very much...........Yes, I saw that teh other dy, but was not able to download it....There has been an Adobe Update and if there are old files on your computer it interferes with the configuration.....so heck, Phew...I had to update on my browser, the new Adobe Reader would not open then -- that one I updated last week, so I was to hit refresh , that didn't work, so then I had to download all of this other stuff. Plug ins and all sorts of weird things I will probably never use. But something has changed on the internet, has any one else noticed that?
Hey, Just got off yakking with Bosnia..they are setting up a new site, I have the link I will be posting it. It will be up and hopefully running in a few hours. They are working on it now. There are two more mounds they think they found...well, myabe 5 or 6 in total, was hard to understand.... I would spell and say the letter "i" and he thought I was saying "e"...this was not Sammy...another fellow...
One they are calling the Aunt or ant? one is the Love or Luv or ? I am not good at speaking Bosnian Language. Anyway kind of fun.
http://www.piramidasunca.ba/
I just checked it is not up yet and running properly, it is the same url he is just changing it over I think to a different server. Also, only 60 % will be translated into English.
C
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
10 March 2006
5 years 37 weeks
Hi Colette,
The update pdf is well worth the download. Here you'll find an useful and free pdf reader. Quick set up, have had no problems with it. http://www.foxitsoftware.com/
“The free man must create himself”
26 February 2005
2 years 29 weeks
Hello and thank you for the info.
I did get the PDF downloaded, but when I got teh new reader, it has all of these features in it, and some Yahoo stuff and then Adobe Photo Shop -- stuff that I do not need or want. Last week I could open about anything in PDF then something changed.
Well, it is all computer tech monopoly stuff on the web. I have all Adobe stuff, but must remove most of it now, I do not need it. Now my graphics are being opened by Adobe and I do not want that.
Crap..remove software program time now...ha!
Thank you very much.
C
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
10 August 2004
18 hours 33 min
The pyramid is near the town of Visoko which is at Latitude 43 deg 59 min North. Longitude 18 deg 11 min East. Any help?
Regards, Kathrinn
1 May 2004
20 weeks 5 days
One recent report claims these "mountains" are correctly aleigned with north- south aleignment. I doubt that natural mountains would be so aleigned. It goes beyond coincidence. To find that these "mountains" really are pyramids might add a tad of credience to the claim of more advanced civilizations prior to the deluge; aka Noah. But as another writer has said, We await further imput.
24 January 2005
4 years 1 week
Sorry but I've just had a look at the photos of these blocks etc, and I'm afraid they just don't look carved to me, sandstone naturaly breaks up in this way. Where are the detailed photos showing impressions of tool use (good luck with something as friable as sandstone). As for the access plateau, that looks natural to me aswell.
The radar photo's don't actually help much either - can we see them without the interpretation overlay please - let us analyse them for ourselves. It's an unfortunater truth that geophys results can give all sorts of spurious "lines" and "features" simply because the human mind likes finding patterns in things.
I'm not saying that the "pyramid" is totaly natural, but more, and considerably better, evidence is needed to convince that it is. substantialy man made. And BTW - why does the final photo show a rock carved with what appear to be characters from the alphabet?
26 February 2005
2 years 29 weeks
Hello,
There was previous settlement on the hill, forts, mining and tunnels that are dated separately then the entire structure itself. It may be that it was man enhanced from a natural mound, also, there are sites built upon other sites on the same mound. The block of sandstone is not dated as 2000 BC...........it could be it was used to hold the sides of a mining tunnel. It is just what was found, no hard statements have been made that I know of yet. I do know that there are many groups out there rewriting what has been stated or not stated and they write it in a negative tone as opposed to being open minded. There will be more scientists and documentary writers on the scene shortly that will write in English. Also new footage and stills with description.
Those sat. images are for the relationships of where the supposed mounds are located. Now you have the info, you can go find the same images with out the locations marked and see what it is you would like to interpret. Many people do not know how to read sat. images. I myself am one of them to some degree. However I would like to see the locations, the triangulations and the color analysis and then further my education upon that.
There is a lack of translators available to write for the English speaking site. Many words that Sammie has spoken have been twisted and bent. There are many who just like to discredit any one, no matter what. But, the problem is there has been many forum groups that write blogs and do not understand the situation and then rewrite what they think and then that gets passed along, and then well, as the story goes, the story gets passed around the circle and it is not the same story that was first passed out.
C
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
24 January 2005
4 years 1 week
Hello,
I read the pdf file, other articles online aswell as the official homepage of the project before posting - just so you know I was trying to be fair (admitedly I don't always succeed).
One of the problems is that no stratigraphy of settlement/occupation/use seems to have been published (in English) as yet. The sandstone blocks refered to in the PDF therefore have no ABSOLUTE context, only an inferred one gathered from the surrounding text - this can lead to confusion as to what features were supposed to be placed and when. Hence my misunderstanding of the claims refering to said sandstone blocks. However if they are of a later date, then surely much of the argument for a pre-historic pyramid with egyptian techniques, begins to fall down. (Does cation analysis work for sandstone - just a thought).
Another problem with the PDF report, and I'm criticizing the report here not nec. the project itself although obviously this may effect my judgement, is in some apparent misinterpretations creeping in to the analysis of data-sets. For example one image, entitled "Contour Intervel Map" (fig. 7)claims to find evidence of steps on the pyramid. Infact they are present everywhere throughout the image, exactly as one would expect of such an image - contour intervals are just that, altitudes derived at discreet intervals. Is this a mistranslation?
As for the sat. images the specific ones I was refering to are the ones showing overlays of anomolies/artificial hallways (fig. 10) and artifacts (fig. 11). Whilst I admit that the analysis of aerial photography is something of an art form in and of itself it would be nice to be able to check the results for oneself. It should be noted however that the geophys surveyor who worked on the sat. images himself called for a proper survey of the site in situ as the best way to clarify what was going on. This is important, satellite images are not the be-all and end-all we would like, only a starting point for serious surveys.
I feel that one of the problems the project may be having as far as the archaeological community is concerned is in this apparent lack of hard info available for analysis by outsiders and some of the wilder claims being reported in the press. Illirians in the Ice Age? The more outre the idea the greater the burden of proof on the claiment.
Sorry for such a long post - but I wanted to be clear about my point of view. It should also be noted that I was at one time a student of Prof. Harding and whilst I don't always agree with him (look at his book on ancient warfare if you want a laugh) I have to say I do respect him as a specialist in Bronze Age Europe.
1 May 2004
1 year 15 weeks
May be the only thing left to do.
If there really is something there, it should become obvious soon enough. If not, it will just die away, unless someone starts a new cult on the site :o
26 February 2005
2 years 29 weeks
There are so many reports out there. Yes, a big problem is translations, another is hype and agressive negative behavior.
OK some quotes from articles, find the contradictions:
"However, Harding, who said he visited the site briefly on Thursday and looked at the same stone blocks Barakat said were man made, said on Friday they were a natural formation."
" "I've seen the site, in my opinion it is entirely natural," he told reporters in Sarajevo. Harding did not visit other sites in the area which Osmanagic and Barakat say are further evidence of the existence of pyramids in Bosnia, such as a tunnel leading to the top of Visocica or a stone pavement made of geometrically regular shaped pieces."
" Harding said that although he had not seen the stone pavement, by looking at photographs, "I would not believe it to be archaeological. It looks to me as a natural stone pavement." He did not visit the tunnel either. "
[Photographs are not the same as analyses of structures and stones in physical realm. I have also seen photographs of stone pavements....they did not look like natural formed pavement by geological standards. Some stones and rocks break and erode at specific angle due to their bonding and cleavage. However, on the photographs I have seen they are not similar to the other photographs of the other pavements, there are different locations of different pavement. These are loose statements. It is all to create controversy and hype. It takes time to unearth and dig.]
[People have misinterpreted Sammie as he wrote some books from his research on the Maya and their Codex, speaking of the Pleiades. There is much gossip to do about nothing until time has passed and evidence can be analyzed.]
[I am open minded myself. I will not know until I see what is really there. There have been core samples taken, these are in for analyses as well. Everyone expects these scientific models to be presented over night. All of this takes time. From my direct understanding this excavation is ongoing. I have seen enough controversy concerning the Sphinx and other related anomalies to know when enough evidence is gathered to come to a conclusion. It is premature for Harding to walk on the site, only see a little part of it and make a hard claim, and then not actually see in physical --stones and blocks he claims are natural. He is not a geologist, he is an archeologist.]
[So my opinion is to give it time and more professionals get on the team and quit with the spoof about the Maya and the Codex and quit alarming everyone about the guy is into aliens.....oh my god.....good grief -- get a grip...]
[Even American Indians have their native folklore of their ancestry being that of star people, so what is the big deal here? ALl over the world global ancients have their myths and legens of star people, even on teh BIble it speks of interbreeding with the Gods from Heaven.]
[It is hype and controversy. People who have commented professionals and the likes, even amateurs are saying things with out time and experience on the site. I have watched this from the start, I have seen the news I have seen reactions and the smart mouths writing their comments on the forums as if they were experts in the field of Archaeology and Geology when matter of fact none of these individuals have published papers of such degree to establish themselves in the academic communities. So, I do not understand why people take a negative approach as opposed to just being open minded and as Richard says, Wait and See. ]
[Then in another report Harding states:]
"We saw the area and what we saw was entirely natural geological structure,' president of the association professor Anthony Harding told reporters in Sarajevo. "
[Mario Gerussi says:]
"When asked to comment on Harding's statement, Mario Gerussi, the director of Osmanagic's team leading the excavations, said the team had not been informed of the timing of Harding's visit and that none of the staff at the site had seen him there."
[I know this to be true.....what Mario said, how could Harding come and visit the site when the staff wasn't around to show him the locations and some findings --as if he did not want to really look at the site, but make it be literal that he did visit it, but in all actuality he was not openly invited that day as the staff was not there to show him around and Sammie was in America. Harding slipped in and slipped out and then he was able to make a statement that he was there. He did not look over the entire complex]
[If the hill is only natural, then that is find too, at least it was analyzed.....So Harding can put himself in the fore front and say, "See, I told you so." well, that is a dirty thing to do, and bad publicity for Bosnia, but makes Harding look like he is in the know it all --like seeing a trailer on a movie and telling people you went to see the whole premier and critiqued it from the beggining to the end --that is not Kosher]
My opinion only.............C
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
24 January 2005
4 years 1 week
I'm not going to defend Prof. Harding for not informing the site workers he intended to visit. Common courtesy demanded that he do so and I personally think he was out-of-line there. However you do raise some other interesting points.
You state that looking at photos is not the same as analysis of structure so can't be used to disprove the claims. However sat. images ARE used to support the theory. If photos are good enough to lend credense, then surely the obverse is true.
As for him not being a geologist when making his claims - archaeologists do have to develop some basic understanding of geology, after all every time we stick a shovel in the ground we're encountering it. And surely if it is allowable for a geologist to make claims about archaeology, then it is ok for an archaeologist to make claims about geology. Let's be fair here.
Yes everything takes time - but there seems to be a double standard being applied. It's ok to make/support the pyramid claims before the evidence is processed, but not to denigrate said claims because the evidence hasn't been processed. If we are all trying to be fair we should at least grant the other side the same leeway we grant our own.
Now -
How about those questions I raised before. Those figures on the pdf(7 in particular), the lack of a cohesive timeline - even a rough outline will do. Just so people can have an idea of what was where and when on this pyramid/hill. It's all getting confusing, you yourself have refered to the fact that tunnels and other features were dated seperately. And if you have the dates could you PLEASE give us an idea of them and how they were arrived at - I for one realy would like to get some basic idea of what was going on at this site through time. And any idea on when a preliminary report is due to be published?
And again - to be clear - my personal view is that the hill probably was modified by man in the pre/protohistoric period. But I doubt it's a full blown pyramid (what is it with people and pyramids?). Could be wrong have been before and will be again - learnt not to mind. Will wait and see but I'm off for a couple of months now so being a tad impatient - sorry.
TTFN
26 February 2005
2 years 29 weeks
Hello,
I have spoken with Sammie and Mario.
I have been sent some scientific reports, I have read them, I have replied back to them they are unclear and seem to be not conclusive, but nothing can be concluded yet and analyses is in process....this takes very much time. I think it is probably a hill fort , sacred site and grounds all of that that has been used for centuries upon centuries to build upon. Man enhanced.....
No, I do not have actual dating of the tunnels yet. There are many problems with translations. Also there seems to be many different types of tunnels, that could date from different eras. I do not have any definitive answers to give to you, I too must be patient as well. There are some geologists and archaeologists there right now until the end of June. I had read the statements that Harding made, and a lot of that I blame on journalists --they cut and edit and they do not present the full picture and that causes a lot of confusion on reporting (that was the contradictions I was trying to point out)....or sites that have forums and think that because it was in the ice age, that nothing could have happened ( in regards to the 12,000 year dating in one article). I think Sammie maybe was a little over zealous making a few comments about the 12,000 years, but I think that was a typo and mis-translations due to the Maya and their calendar....and then went every where with the news agencies reporting the same story but changing a few words...I have seen 2000 years, I have seen 12,000, 17,000 years...well? There seems to be different dates depending on what one is talking about. I also know that Sammie has been misinterpreted on the Mayan Codex because he spoke of the Maya. So I will wait and see. I just felt that was a low blow that Harding did, and then it was published, when in all ethical sense it should have not.
Yes, I understand that Archaeology overflows some what on geology. I do not know what photos you have seen. I have seen many...I have seen both natural formed stone pavements and then pavements that looks exactly like the stones I place in my yard for my garden path. (not the same type of stone, but the way the ground comes up and is covered with debris and fill and bla bla bla......
After this round of scientist that will be there until the end of June, I will think there will be some more writings. Also, after August there will be more geological analyses written up.
I think the term pyramid was loosely used, as in there are many forms of pyramids. And as I say, maybe a little over zealousness and with the language barrier there was a problem created. The fact that Sammie is an Amateur Archeologist, is true, he never said he is an Archeologist ( As some people tend to give themselves titles, such as a theoretical archaeo-astronomer and so forth). Titles are titles, Sammie's degrees are in other fields but his thesis was on the Maya.
I will know much more in late mid July --early August.
I am not hiding any info, I am searching for it too. I have been boning up on all that I can, and must read about the surrounding terrain and existing colonies and so forth through out the millenniums.
I feel as you do, the term was used a little loosely, when a term such as monument or structure could have sufficed, but during translation and for easy communication the word pyramid was used and then it took off -- people understand that form -- as a four sided structure with triangular faces....stepped , flat or other wise...but triangular in nature and usually seated to the cardinal points --is sacred in some respects and traditionally used as in calendrical or surveys of the lands, as the GP of Giza -- those in Central America and so forth....I believe it was an analogy to place a picture in a person's mind of what it looks like or is some what like...(well somewhat that was loose too what I just said)...but you catch my drift. It does look like a pyramid so I think that is why that term was used.
Ha Ha, as Shadows pointed out a pyramid is an inverted V...that was in some other discussion we had.
I myself am not able to just look at a sat image. I look and see what is marked and read the graphs and then ponder.....I look at other images, and I ask questions and I learn , but I am not formally educated in reading satellite imagery. I am dependent on the analyses from the scientists who do that sort of field work. I have some reports, I was told I could publish them. I am waiting as I said, as on some reports they seem to be unfinished, and this is due to the lack of translators.
NO, not the PDF...there is a different one also..I have three thus far...maybe 4 , unsure at this point.
Yes, waiting is difficult, but the news agencies placed a hype on this for the coverage and sensationalized it...that was the first problem, and I believe the biggest one, as it put Sammie in a spot when he was trying to start excavations out of curiosity. Anyway, I am keeping an open mind....Nice chat with you, thank you.
C
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
24 January 2005
4 years 1 week
As far as I'm concerned, if he does the work and knows his stuff the guy's an archaeologist. We tend to forget that the pioneers of every field lacked these pieces of paper showing they'd learned to parrot their "betters" in the discipline. They just got on with things without needing to ask permission to do what they were good at.
Just about every field needs its outsiders to challenge the way we look at things and archaeology is no exception (although medicine might be). They won't be right everytime, or even at all maybe, but that doesn't mean their contributions are worthless. I mean I HATE hyperdiffusionists saying, for example, the egyptians travelled to the new world to "teach those stupid natives how to do things" - but by refuting their theories (some of the S.American huacas are older than the oldest pyramid) archaeologists have to clarify things, actualy SHOW why the idea is invalid and that, communicating, can only be a good thing for a dicipline that relies so much on the goodwill of the general public - who pay most academics wages after all.
OK - off for two months now - so hopefully all this will be resolved by th time I get back. Found some interesting stuff in northern Spain I'm gonna survey over my holiday see what the heck it is I've been looking at.
TTFN
26 February 2005
2 years 29 weeks
Robert Schoch comments on the Alleged Bosnian Pyramids
People keep asking me what I think of the Bosnian Pyramids. How can I judge without studying them firsthand? The reports that have been circulated thus far are, in my opinion, inadequate to make a definitive judgment. So, the only thing to do is go to Bosnia - - Please take a look at the new thread 'Dr. Dowell and Dr. Schoch will be visiting the “Bosnian Pyramids”.'
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
26 February 2005
2 years 29 weeks
Hello,
I placed this in the other topic as well, but if you do not go there, it will be here for you to see and link to. Thought I would kill ( oooops) two birds with one stone.
C
I can log in now I think….
I edited the last note. Thanks to Kat, she got it up for me. (Oh thank you Kat-thank you.)
Here is a neat link. It is radio and has video and audio to it. There are different dates of Sammie and others speaking. There are various formats to choose from as well depending on your PC or Mac or what ever you have to watch and listen --so, it is pretty neat. Astraea uploaded another video the other day from a very recent interview with Sammie, it takes time to process the footage and upload so they are not day to day. I think you will find the little videos of interest though.
Please click here
and you will see where to go and what you can choose from to listen to and see. Sammie has a soft and gentle voice, you must listen carefully and then there is some other guy on anther video with a little back ground noise, but all and all you can understand what is being said. There are various ones to choose from on different dates with a variety of people.
I hope you enjoy them!
C
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
1 July 2006
5 years 31 weeks
hello all, this is my first posting here :o=
ill just post one link i have found related to
bosnian pyramids (or whatever those block represent)
http://bosnian-pyramid.com/gallery.html (browse all albums)
looks to me like theres NO chance those blocks are NOT
man or aliens made (artificial for sure)
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Well done Over!
I have been really hoping these are man-made to give a kick in the teeth to a certain Egyptian meglomaniac.
Thank you.
shadows
1 May 2004
1 year 15 weeks
These photographs are all interesting although I really wish that some explanations on the contexat would have been reported for each.
The stones and stonework shown are obviously from different contexts and different epochs.
It has been reported that over time, several structures had been erected over the site, other than the alledged pyramid structure.
The lighter stonework for instance and the light colored pavements are obviously fairly recent and have no apparent connection with the large slabs.
The pictures, which usually give a close up view, don't make it easy to position the variety of styles relative to each other, making it very difficult to grasp their potential relationship, at least geographically.
The site is obviously of gigantic proportions, hinting that if it is indeed confirmed that there is an actual structure hiddend underneath the soil, it will be a while before we get the real picture. Unless, of course, gigantic efforts are put towards clearing the area. This is not likely to happen though as such work would then geopardise possible artifact finds.
On a last note, if there was indeed a pyramid covered under that foot or so of soil, it would have to be quite old as such a gigantic structure would surely have impressed the world in antique times and would have been discussed in some litterature.
It would have to predate the age of the current known writings and legends.
I at least do not know of any oral or written accounts of something even remotely close to the idea of a giant pyramid, let alone a pyramidal complex. This would be a strong hint at the possibility that indeed, the structure may have the end of the last ice age, 12,000 years ago or so, although even then, you would expect some kind of oral tradition to have remained or some kind of associated legend somewhere in the ancient world.
Then again, there are huge pyramids in China, and there are many of those, most having been re-shaped hills if I remember correctly and even as of today, little is known about it and nobody in the West heard about them before WWII.
All speculations at this time.
30 April 2004
30 weeks 2 days
I spy with my "Mythic Eye" a Pyramid structure........and whether it is natural or man-made, matters little to me at this point in time. If in a previous life, I lived near what is now Visoko, I am sure that I would have been drawn to that sacred Mountain, as much as many of us are today......Regards, Badeye......
4 May 2004
4 years 28 weeks
You really need an 'Other' choice that would cover possible options such as "constructed by indigenous beings (perhaps not human)"
If we can all agree that pyramids (anywhere on the planet) are sacred spaces, then the Bosnian pyramid should be a sacred space. Sacred spaces share three common factors:
1. The structures are oriented towards significant horizontal astronomical events (summer solstice sun rise, etc.)
2. The structures were constructed with certain repeating mathematical ratios, referred to as sacred geometry. (For example, the Parthenon was constructed using a ratio called phi, or 1:1.618. The King’s Chamber in the Great Pyramid is twice as long as it is wide – a double square. Thie 2:1 shape is related to nature – in music it is the octave.)
3. These structures are located on places where “the notion that the ground itself is holy or a power center”. Underground water is one of the manifestations that is found at every power center (holy ground). Along with the water found at/under power centers, dowsers also find straight lines of male or yang energy they call energy leys.
If the Bosnian pyramid has these three characteristics, it was constructed. Not much room for debate.
Two questions: Has anyone dowsed the Bosnian pyramid for Energy Leys (not man made), ley lines (man made), primary water, or water domes? Where one or more Energy Leys and Primary water converge, a power center forms. The ancients sometimes referred to this as “holy ground.”
Could this pyramid be connected with the 150-monument network of temples discovered last year and located beneath the fields and cities of modern-day Germany, Austria and Slovakia that were built 7,000 years ago, between 4800BC and 4600BC?
1 May 2004
3 years 50 weeks
here are a few links regarding Anon's post.
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/bmcr/2004/2004...
http://britannia.com/history/narprehist....
http://www.newnation.org/NNN-prehistory.... -----------------------------Truth is stranger than fiction.
4 May 2004
4 years 28 weeks
Thanks, Pam, for the great site references. From the first one, the Bryn Mawr Classical Review, this jumped out at me: “Fundamental to this whole framework (archaeologists trying to decide what was going on in Europe at the time of the pyramids of Egypt or the Shaft Graves at Mycenae) was the basic assumption that nothing in any European sequence could be earlier than its (assumed) counterpart at Troy.” You know what they say about assumptions. I shudder to think how advanced we’d be now if the anthropological and archaeological worlds were not so ego-driven. Because prehistorians found solace at Troy, the rest of the world is shortchanged regarding historical truths.
Looks like Schoch and Dowell will be packing their bags again. This time off to China after reading today’s news item about Chinese archaeologists discovering a group of ancient tombs shaped like pyramids, dating back at least 3,000 years, in Jiaohe City of northeast China's Jilin Province.
16 August 2006
2 days 3 hours
The site of three ancient hills in Italy (see
http://www.realitytest.com/gcpe/2004.htm ) may have been in use long before the Bosnian mountain, thousands of years before anyone even imagined constructing a stone pyramid.
Something the Italian site, the Bosnian site, and the Giza plateau all have in common is the presence of strong coordination points; indeed, this is likely to be the primary reason for human activities at all three locations, in addition to any number of other such sites, including the sites of other pyramidal hills in the Mediterranean region.
Suppose a tradition began in paleolithic times, a tradition which involved the shaping and augmentation of certain natural hills which encompassed strong coordination points? (We would call such locations, now, "sacred sites," consistent with the activities which took place at them.)
The Egyptian pyramids would represent a very late architectural elaboration of this hypothetical ancient tradition, the Great Pyramid being an artificial hill specifically constructed around the center of a very strong Main Coordination Point; instead of an earthen chamber in a hill, then, you have The King's Chamber, a stone room in a hill of carefully wrought and assembled massive stone blocks.
This hypothesis presumes that ancient people were less "ego-bound" than their modern descendents and thus consciously aware of coordination points, an hypothesis very difficult (but not completely impossible) to test; nevertheless, a linear sequence of events _could_ be established, after more sites are identified, earliest human activity at them dated.
Bill I.
15 June 2006
4 years 16 weeks
the geological service found at least 30 or more sites with simular topography which isnt rare in the reason and based on geology. all pictures show natural formations, the so caleld road even has riplle marcs on it from a ancient riverbed. if u google for riple marks u ll find hundreds of simular pics.
yes its a ancient site, no it isnt a pyramid, altough we all wish it would be.
It a hype and a bit of a scam.
alignemnts are off too more then 30 degrees in parts of the hill, which is huge if u look at precize alignment of ancient sites, like stonehenge, pyramids and even ice age monoliths and structures
look at the maps in the pdf, and take away the suggestive lines the author drew, then its a normal topo map
15 June 2006
4 years 16 weeks
its funny how people rant at our egyptian high chief of archeology.
Ofcourse he turns archeology into a media hype, i dont like it either, the mix of indiana jones, techno, treasurehunt archeology he presents. But u cant argue he got more attention for preservation, money for restoration and excavation then ever before. The national museum in cairo will get a great new buidlign due too his efforts and the way he puts egyptian archeology on the map.
If that means ruining perhaps a few excavations oposit thousands well dug up ones and money for conservation, public awarness then thats worth it in my opinion.
Nobody looks at great escavations happening all over the world, and publicity , or ratehr lack of it means in this modern world, lack of funds. Zawi does handle that publicity stick amazingly well. I think it the only way to get ahead in this world, especially when u have a country where u cant dig anywhere without hitting archeology.
u can disliek the man, but for egypt at this moment he does the best job ever. wether i like it or not
4 May 2004
4 years 28 weeks
People do not hate Zawi. Why would anyone waste the huge expenditure of energy hate requires when the modest outpouring of energy called distain suffices? One does not hate a puppet – a mere pawn of the powerful. If he has made enemies in this world (and the next) it is as a result of living without integrity. If it doesn’t bother you that you are being lied to about the actual age of the Sphinx, the actual purpose of the pyramids, the cause of the stair-step evolution in Egypt, the information found in the Hall of Records, etc., then so be it. The great salesman that he is, Zawi has mastered the bait and switch tactic to the point that the rest of the world will have great difficulty learning that the Hall of Records has been opened, entered, and already plundered (of much, but not all).
We tend to lose respect for those who will use any means to achieve their ends (in Zawi's case, most likely the ways beyond death – the ways to immortality). The irony is that the ways beyond death are lost to those who do not honor those who have come before us, and those who will come after us, our children's children.
30 April 2004
51 weeks 5 days
clepsydra
Do you reckon that Silbury Hill was Health and Safety version for the disabled?