Probably the catholic church wants to run out JP2's term slowly, without the really popular guy. Now they have some time to decide what they really want to do, when the world is not paying as much attention as it was this time.

Part of the prediction was a black pope. Wrong no, the Panzer is the Black Pope, the Jesuits call their secret leader that. A Spy system that spans the globe and history. Opus Dei, God's Work created during Franco's Spain is a new creation. Its extremes draws many people. The world is filled with extemes, the ancient blood feuds have been rekindled. There is more then religion going on here. This is a war. The cause has not yet been crystalized but when the fuse is lite. You will have a Jihad a Crusade. And it will not end till it is exhausted. Look around you, start to see we are the same people. Teach others that their suffering is yours. Maybe we can lessen the pain of ourselves, others and those yet to be.

I voted 'intentionnal' but.... I'd have preferred another option such as 'partial fulfillment'. JPII was born, elected and buried on a day of solar eclipse. His motto can mean 'toil under the sun' and he toiled and travelled a lot etc etc etc. So there were multiple instances verifying the prophecy.

Ratzingers choice must be somewhat intentionnal - it would be too dumb if he never heard about it and never made the connection. But I feel this is only a partial fulfillment. There will be more clues, I guess. The Glory of the Olive, Olive is Israel - Israel's Glory would certainly be the construction of the new temple. Could it be that under Ratzi's reign the temple might be rebuilt? And after that will we (most certainly) see the Abomination of Desolation?

Interresting times indeed.....

JBro

It would seem to me that whether intentional or not, the fulfillment remains. If a prophecy is exact, it must take in consideration what thoughts will be processed to make it happen from the time of its pronouncement to the time of its fulfillment.

Whether it is conscious or unconscious, whether it is believed that the impact is willful or not in the mind of those who fulfill the prophecy, in the end, the actor in the event flow of prophesized events is only carrying the process or life program. They are made to do what they do.

In other words, it does not matter that someone would have thought or not to intentionally fulfill the requirements as the very establishment of a prophecy already holds all the consequential chain that leads to its fulfillment, including the though forms that will be inseminated in time. It is contained because as time flows, the invisible continues to inseminate intentions that conform to their plan.

Even the prophet himself does not know the chain of consequences and so is used as a channel for information or disinformation that already is the beginning of a chain of manipulations over time that will leave impressions on a great number.

If that were not the case, prophecies would not be possible.

More on the black pope. On Benedict's coat of arms the Black Moor of Munich's coat of arms. And several personal symbols from the writings of St Augustine. My latin is not what it should be but I believe the motto is uncovering the truth, or the overwelming truth. A MOOR reversed spells ROMA minus a, o. HA HA HA!

Pope Benedict XVI is a Third Order Oblate of the Benedictine Order
He is therefore actually a member I have been told, just of the thrid order lay variety. JPII was actually a third Order member of the Carmelites. Actually the Benedictine Rule first applied to lay people before it became a monastic order formally.

The new Pope's choice of name, and his tangential relationship with the Benedictine Order, are completely irrelevant. There's a huge element of wishful thinking in the notion that "olive" signifies the Benedictines. It doesn't. There is a sub-branch of the order called Our Lady of Mount Olivet; but so far as I'm aware Ratzinger has no relationship with that.

Anyway, it's "glory of the olive", not just olive. And the Latin "olivae" does NOT refer to a colour. It refers to the olive tree, or an olive branch, or to olive as a botanical entity.

Two possible meanings: an Olympic athlete (crowns of wild olive were awarded to ancient victors) or a Nobel peace Laureate. JPII was nominated a couple of times but never won it, mainly because the politically correct Norwegians who dish out the honour didn't like his stand on contraception. I don't see this changing much in the future.

I can't find a really good list of Malachy's prophecies, but one thing I noticed on the few I looked at, is one pope is missing. St. Celestine V. If you read about him and the following pope, it's ugly. I read up on them both in the Catholic Encyclopedia and a few of the popes after. It wasn't long after these two popes, the popes began to take up residence in Avignon.

Here's what I found concerning the last pope: (In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people. The End.)

As far as prophecies go, I think you can read almost anything into them, however, I found it odd this one could almost apply to the overlooked pope as well as what is considered to be the last pope.

Anyone else find this odd? Or is there a prophecy about St. Celestine V I haven't found?