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The 1961 Story About a Chicken Farmer Who Claimed that Aliens Gave Him Pancakes

Joe Simonton with alien pancake

Those who have read the UFO classic Passport to Magonia, by Jacques Vallee, will be familiar with the odd case of Joe Simonton, a chicken farmer who claims to have met aliens and been given, of all things, pancakes by them (It is also, if memory serves me, mentioned in Robert Anton Wilson's Cosmic Trigger):

The time was approximately 11:00 A.M. on April 18, 1961, when Joe Simonton was attracted outside by a peculiar noise similar to "knobby tires on a wet pavement." Stepping into his yard, he faced a silvery saucer-shaped object "brighter than chrome," which appeared to be hovering close to the ground without actually touching it. The object was about twelve feet high and thirty feet in diameter. A hatch opened about five feet from the ground, and Simonton saw three men inside the machine. One of them was dressed in a black two-piece suit. The occupants were about five feet in height. Smooth shaven, they appeared to "resemble Italians." They had dark hair and skin and wore outfits with turtleneck tops and knit helmets.

One of the men held up a jug apparently made of the same material as the saucer. His motions to Joe Simonton seemed to indicate that he needed water. Simonton took the jug, went inside the house, and filled it. As he returned, he saw that one of the men inside the saucer was "frying food on a flameless grill of some sort." The interior of the ship was black, "the color of wrought iron." Simonton, who could see several instrument panels, heard a slow whining sound, similar to the hum of a generator. When he made a motion indicating he was interested in the food that was being prepared, one of the men, who was also dressed in black but with a narrow red trim along the trousers, handed him three cookies, about three inches in diameter and perforated with small holes.

The whole affair had lasted about five minutes. Finally, the man closest to the witness attached a kind of belt to a hook in his clothing and closed the hatch in such a way that Simonton could scarcely detect its outline. Then the object rose about twenty feet from the ground before taking off straight south, causing a blast of air that bowed some nearby pine trees.

...When two deputies sent by Sheriff Schroeder, who had known Simonton for fourteen years, arrived on the scene, they could not find any corroborative evidence. The sheriff affirmed that the witness obviously believed the truth of what he was saying and talked very sensibly about the incident.

I was surprised to find recently that YouTube has a video of Joe Simonton being interviewed about his encounter, and showing off one of the 'pancakes' he was given. For those interested, here it is:

Loved the matter-of-fact way he discussed the taste of the pancakes: "They were hot and greasy...if that was their food, God help them, because I took a bite of one of them and it tasted like a piece of cardboard. If that's what they lived on, no wonder they were small".

(Full disclosure: Passport to Magonia is currently published by us here at The Daily Grail)

Apollo 10 Astronauts Heard 'Music' on the Dark Side of the Moon

The Science Channel series NASA's Unexplained Files is airing an episode on a mysterious incident from the 1969 Apollo 10 mission. Declassified in 2008, NASA tapes reveal the three-man crew heard weird "outer space-type music" while orbiting the dark side of the moon. For the entire hour, the astronauts discuss and describe the music, even debating whether to inform NASA command.

"It's unbelievable! You know?"

"Shall we tell them about it?"

"I don't know. We ought to think about it."

Apollo 10 moon NASA music astronauts

It's a genuine mystery that remains unsolved. For one thing, Apollo 10 was out of radio contact while orbiting the far side of the moon, so the music couldn't have been a transmission from Earth. Also, the moon has no magnetic field or atmosphere that could interfere with their radio. Unfortunately, actual recording of the strange music isn't publicly available.

Apollo 15 astronaut Al Worden keeps an open-mind on the mystery:

"The Apollo 10 crew was very used to the kind of noise that they should be hearing. Logic tells me that if there was something recorded on there, then there was something there. NASA would withhold information from the public if they thought it was in the public's best interest."

However, there's one explanation that is highly likely. Could the Apollo 10 crew have heard the sounds of Jupiter? All of the planets emit radio waves that can be reproduced as sound. NASA's Voyager and Cassini spacecraft have recorded the 'music of the spheres', eerie hums and whistles reminiscent of the "outer space-type music" described aboard Apollo 10. It's very likely, but until we hear what the astronauts actually heard, there's no way to know. It may as well be Hitler playing Wagner on the moon.

Previously, on the Daily Grail:

  • The Overview Effect
  • Musical Interlude: Beyond The Blue Horizon

    Here's a jazzy little tune spiced up by computer animation courtesy of Bill Domokos. Or, maybe, Bill removed the filter preventing humanity from seeing the true faces of the performers, The Three Suns.

    This tune's notable for inspiring Alex Courage's composition of the haunting Star Trek theme, as it was a "long thing that...keeps going out into space...over a fast moving accompaniment."

    Those were gentler times when the expanse of space held promise for everyone, not just the plutocrats and their k-razy exit strategies.

    C'mon and sing along with Artie Dunn and his pals, who certainly didn't name their band in honor of their homeworld's trinary system far, far away.

    Beyond the blue horizon
    Waits a beautiful day
    Goodbye to things that bore me
    Joy is waiting for me

    I see the new horizon
    My life has only begun
    Beyond the blue horizon
    Lies a rising sun

    Beyond the blue horizon
    Waits a beautiful day
    Goodbye to things that bore me
    Joy is waiting for me

    I see the new horizon
    My life has only begun
    Beyond the blue horizon
    Lies a rising sun

    Beyond the blue horizon
    Waits a beautiful day
    Goodbye to things that bore me
    Joy is waiting for me

    I see the new horizon
    My life has only begun
    Beyond the blue horizon
    Lies a rising sun

    Beyond the blue horizon
    Lies a rising sun

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    New Developments Around KIC 8462852

    A new paper on prior observations of KIC 8462852 deepen the mystery surrounding this star. Also known as "Tabby's Star", this F3-type star is brighter, hotter, and more massive than our sun. The mystery lay in the sudden dips of luminosity seen by the Kepler Space Observatory. Kepler's mission is to detect earthlike planets transiting distant stars.

    Speculation about this object captures our imagination, with Jason Wright suggesting it could be evidence of an alien megastructure in his paper The Ĝ Search for Extraterrestrial Civilizations with Large Energy Supplies [1], while others claim it's just comets. [2] The basis for arguing this is artificial stems from the lack of flux when it dims. If the cause was natural, like a cloud of cometary dust, the dimming should be gradual rather than abrupt.

    Recent attempts to detect the extraterrestrial intelligences behind this anomaly have fallen flat. No radio signals were detected by the Allen Telescope Array between the 15th and 30th of October 2015. [3] Between the 29th of October and the 28th of November, weather permitting, the Boquete Optical SETI Observatory joined the fun. But astronomers didn't detect any periodic optical signals one could ascribe to alien communications. [4] Barely two months of observations of an anomaly possibly a thousand years old is merely a drop in the bucket. Yet the absence of evidence from this dataset only emboldens those pushing their comet agenda. Which reminds me of a soundbite from Jill Tarter's 2009 TED Talk on the search for extraterrestrial intelligences:

    All of the concerted SETI efforts, over the last 40-some years, are equivalent to scooping a single glass of water from the oceans. And no one would decide that the ocean was without fish on the basis of one glass of water. [5]

    While SETI may only have forty years of observations, traditional astronomers are sitting atop a mountain of photographic evidence collected since the 19th century. Tabetha Boyajian, author of the original paper KIC 8462852 – Where’s the flux?, knew this and took advantage of the archives at the Digital Access to a Sky Century @ Harvard (DASCH) for past data on KIC 8462852. DASCH is a treasure trove of digitized astronomical photographic plates from previous sky surveys from the late 19th century to the present. Upon review, her conclusion was summed up as "the star did not do anything spectacular over the past 100 years" [6]

    Bradley Schaefer disagrees with her conclusion, having pored over the plates himself. His findings are outlined in his new paper at arXiv.

    The KIC8462852 light curve from 1890 to 1989 shows a highly signifcant secular trend in fading over 100 years, with this being completely unprecedented for any F-type main sequence star. Such stars should be very stable in brightness, with evolution making for changes only on time scales of many millions of years. So the Harvard data alone prove that KIC8462852 has unique and large-amplitude photometric variations. [7]

    Dumbing it down a bit more, the anomaly's been gradually dimming the star over the past 125 years. For the extraterrestrial faithful, it supports the hypothesis of little green men engaged in one of the universe's largest public works projects this side of the Death Star. Just as Jason Wright, et al., riffed on Boyajian's discovery, Chris Lintott and Brooke Simmons let their imagination run wild with Schaefer's evidence at the Journal of Brief Ideas.

    We assume our observations cover a typical period in a constant construction rate. Given the current B magnitude of 12.262 and a decrease in flux of 0.165 mag (or 14.099% of total observed flux) per century, an alien civilisation requires at least 7.09 centuries to occlude 100% of the observable surface of its star. Thus, if this time is typical, an alien civilisation capable of constructing such a structure requires a minimum of 1400 Earth years to do so. [8]

    Regardless of what's behind this, whether aliens, comets or something completely different, the mystery behind KIC 8462852 isn't going away anytime soon.

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  • Astronomers Discover Something 'You Would Expect an Alien Civilization to Build', and SETI Wants a Look
  • 'Wow!' Signal Receives 'Meh' Explanation

    1. http://arxiv.org/abs/1510.04606
    2. http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?fe...
    3. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1511.01606v1.pdf
    4. http://arxiv.org/abs/1512.02388
    5. https://www.ted.com/talks/jill_tarter_s_...
    6. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1509.03622v1.pdf, page 7
    7. http://arxiv.org/pdf/1601.03256v1.pdf
    8. http://beta.briefideas.org/ideas/424bb64...

    'Wow!' Signal Receives 'Meh' Explanation

    If you talk to a member of SETI, he'll probably tell you the closest we've ever got to finding scientific evidence of Extraterrestrial intelligence was in 1977, professor Jerry Ehman at Ohio State University detected a peculiarly-strong signal from deep space using the Big Ear radio telescope. This is the famous Wow! signal, which was cemented in popular culture thanks to a brief mention during the start of The X-Files' second season.

    But now Antonio Paris, professor of astronomy at St Petersburg College in Florid, wants to burst our galactic bubble. His explanation for the Wow signal? The passing of one or two comets.

    He points the finger at two suspects, called 266P/Christensen and P/2008 Y2 (Gibbs). “I came across the idea when I was in my car driving and wondered if a planetary body, moving fast enough, could be the source,” he says.

    Paris theorizes that the large quantity of hydrogen released by the comets as they were passing right in front of the Big Ear, could have generated the strong signal which caused the excitement of Ehman and spurred almost 40 years of speculation among SETI scientists.

    Other astronomers are skeptical that cometary hydrogen could create a signal that 'bright' in the radio frequency of the electromagnetic spectrum --because if they did, radio telescopes would be picking them up all the time. But the strength in Paris' hypothesis is that it can be tested: All we have to do is wait for those comets when they return to our solar neighborhood, and listen closely:

    To test his idea, Paris proposes looking at the same region of space when the comets are back. Comet 266P/Christensen will transit the region first, on 25 January 2017, then P/2008 Y2 (Gibbs), on 7 January 2018. An analysis of the hydrogen signal of the comets should reveal if he is correct.

    If Paris is correct, then that gives yet another blow to the SETI methodology for searching intelligent life we can Skype to. Then again, if you're reading this then chances are you're already of the opinion that SETI is a pointless endeavor, because the aliens are ALREADY visiting us --or that instead of Skype they rely on PSI abilities to chat with self-proclaimed Contactees.

    Here is important to point out how Antonio Paris, unlike most of his colleagues, is not hostile to the UFO phenomenon. In fact, he's the director and founder of the Aerial Phenomena Investigation Team, intended to investigate UAPs through the lens of Science. He's been on many podcasts and radio shows, and here you can listen to an interview conducted by Open Minds' editor Alejandro Rojas.

    Should we mourn the Wow! signal's possible unexciting explanation? Certainly not, IMO. After all, as the late Terence McKenna used to say, "to search expectantly for a radio signal from an extraterrestrial source is probably as culture-bound a presumption as to search the galaxy for a good Italian restaurant."

    LINK: Famous Wow! signal might have been from comets, not aliens

    Bon Voyage, Ziggy Stardust (1947-2016)

    There's a starman waitin in the sky
    He'd like to come & meet us
    But he thinks he'd blow our minds

    That's certainly one way to take El Chapo's capture out of the front pages...

    David Bowie, one of the biggest music icons in the last 4 decades, lost his battle to cancer last week, just after having turned 69.

    If you're an audiophile, that's a shitty enough way to start off 2016. But Bowie earned a special place in the Fortean pantheon due to his long-life interest in both the UFO phenomenon and the occult, which had a great influence in his music as well as his sporadic stunts as an actor. His role in the movie The Man Who Fell to Earth is highly commendable for his attempt to capture the inadaptation felt by an alien being on our planet --then again, alienation from the rest of the boring, one-dimensional humans living on this rock is something he must have been pretty familiar with all of his life...

    Bowie's interest in UFOs began with a sighting he witnessed in his early childhood, which was reported in the English newspapers after he became a celebrity:

    "They came over so regularly we could time them. Sometimes they stood still, other times they moved so fast it was hard to keep a steady eye on them."

    This was not to be the only close encounter Bowie would have throughout his life.

    Famous rock stars are not an unusual demographic in the annals of UFO reports; in fact, it would seem that artists are more open and predisposed to entertain ideas that would make left-brained people frown upon --and also more open to share their UFO sightings. What was unusual, though, was Bowie's departure from traditional explanations with regards to the phenomenon. In the book The Laughing Gnostic: David Bowie and the Occult, author Peter R. Koenig reports on another UFO encounter Bowie had --this time, while he was traveling across the English countryside with a friend-- and paraphrases his interpretation of the event:

    I believe that what I saw was not the actual object, but a projection of my own mind trying to make sense of this quantum topological doorway into dimensions beyond our own. It's as if our dimension is but one among an infinite number of others.

    That right there is a deeper insight into the mind-boggling reality of the phenomenon than the speculative theories of MOST 'professional' UFOlogists!

    Perhaps is because Bowie was approaching the UFOs more from a perspective closer to Aleister Crowley's teachings, than from a materialistic 'nuts and bolts' worldview. The Golden Dawn philosophy was not only right at the core of his musical output during the 1970s, but also present on one of his last videos: Blackstar (2015)

    I think about a world to come
    Where the books were found by the Golden Ones
    Let me make it plain
    You gotta make way for the Homo Superior
    Look at your children
    See their faces in golden rays
    Don't kid yourself they belong to you
    They're the start of a coming race.
    Homo Sapiens have outgrown their use
    All the strangers came today
    And it looks as though they're here to stay.

    ~'Oh! You Pretty Things' (1971)

    Androgyny, eccentricity, and the ability to walk back and forth between different worlds. These are all the stapler marks of a true shaman.

    Here's hoping Ziggy returned safely to his home planet, that Major Tom accomplished his cosmic transformation without a hitch, and that deep down in dark caves, the spiders from Mars keep singing Bowie's songs for many eons to come.

    Indians & Aliens: Close Encounters in Canada's Cree Country

    Indians and Aliens is a fantastic six-part documentary series exploring the surprisingly large number of UFO encounters in the vast, remote Cree territory of northern Quebec, Canada. Director Ernest Webb, himself a Cree native, speaks with local Cree as well as scientists and experts (including a familiar face in the UFO community, Chris Rutkowski) in a bid to understand the phenomenon. Although UFOs and encounters with otherworldly beings have long been a part of Cree traditions, it's no less a mystery to them as it is to the rest of us. And the mystery continues to perplex Cree communities into the 21st century. Webb describes his documentary as the Cree's "contribution to the global dialogue on Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon."

    "One thing is certain, with all the stories filtering in from the different communities, from so many different people, something is out there. The question is: what and who?"

    It's easy to say the UFOs are just misunderstood atmospheric lights, due to the far northern latitude, or the military up to shenanigans thinking no one's around to see them. But as Indians and Aliens clearly shows, Cree natives have stories of these unidentified lights stretching back generations. As one man said, some stories describe animals that are now extinct -- that's how old the stories are, and how long they have been handed down. Clearly, UFOs in this region have been around long before the word shenanigans reached North America.

    Indians and Aliens is currently being shown in full, for free, on Australian network SBS for the next two weeks. If that's geo-blocked for folks outside of Australia (oh the irony!), or you're reading this in the future, then use your Google Fu. Like the truth, the documentary is out there.

    For another fascinating look at the UFO mystery from an indigenous perspective, Encounters With Star People by Ardy Sixkiller Clarke is a must read. Dr Clarke, a Professor Emeritus at Montana State University, has worked extensively with American Indian communities. Being a part of their communities herself, she continually heard tales of close encounters with strange beings and lights in the skies. From reservation elders to policemen and basketball players, Dr Clarke was stunned at the number of stories she was personally told, and the consistency of their strangeness. Embedded below is a 2-hour interview with Dr Clarke on the Grimerica Show. And definitely read her book, which apparently is just a fraction of the many stories she's recorded over the years.

    So only rednecks named Bubba see UFOs on hunting trips? Try harder, skeptics and cynics! As Webb and Clarke have shown, the UFO mystery transcends modern America and has been a part of human history. The stories presented by Webb and Clarke also point to a spiritual side to the UFO enigma. The documentary begins with the suggestion of occupants of interplanetary most extraordinary traveling from other star systems. It's possible, the universe is infinite. But often throughout the series, their purpose for visiting our little blue and green planet is often interpreted as metaphysical than physical. It's also a testament to many American Indians (and I use this honorific instead of Native American, for reasons Dr Clarke explains in the Grimerica podcast) that they're willing to accept the mystery, integrate it into their traditions... and just let it be a mystery, for mystery' sake.

    Encounters With Star People: Untold Stories of American Indians
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    Amazon UK/Kindle.

    Sky People: Untold Stories of Alien Encounters in Mesoamerica
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    Hillary Just Showed the UFO Card in Her Campaign Hand

    It seems aliens have the potential to be a pivotal topic in the race to the White House. Mind you, not the illegal kind who cross the Southern border pursuing the mirage of the American dream --which Donald Trump and most of the GOP contenders have been sadly exploiting to fuel the fires of Fascism in America. I'm talking about the ones which enflame the passions of OUR little tin-foiled demographic.

    Yeah. THOSE.

    On a recent interview, Daymond Steer of The Conway Daily Sun reminded the presidential hopeful of a previous conversation they had back in 2007 (when she was still a member of the US Senate) in which Steer brought the subject of UFOs --which automatically makes him my favorite person in all of New Hampshire, BTW-- to which Mrs. Clinton replied with a smile and a uncharacteristically willingness to discuss a subject which still remains Taboo in political circles --Kucinich anyone?

    "Yes, I'm going to get to the bottom of it," said Clinton with enthusiasm.

    She also commented on her husband's appearance on the Jimmy Kimmel's show last year, in which he talked about his efforts to learn about what happened in Roswell, and pry inside the secrets held at the infamous Area 51, by adding "I think we may have been (visited already). We don't know for sure."

    That's an interesting response in itself, because it may hint at how even the spouse of the former "most powerful man in the world" --and someone who aspires to win that high office for herself-- may have not managed to get to the bottom of the UFO rabbit hole, and answer with certainty the question 'have we been contacted, Yes or No?'... OR it could even be that those inside the government who have looked into this darkest of abysses, are still scratching their heads at the mind-boggling complexity of the UFO enigma; a phenomenon that doesn't really seem to conform to the simplistic explanations spawned during the early years of the Space Age.

    ...Then again, who really knows WHAT was discussed between she and the late Laurance Rockefeller during those long, private chats at his JY Ranch near Jackson's Hole, Wyoming. It was then that Rockefeller gave Clinton a copy of Paul Davies' Are We Alone? Philosophical Implications of the Discovery of Extraterrestrial Life --Memo to the UFO community: Notice how Rockefeller chose NOT to give her a book written by ANY of you??

    But if there's someone who seems to beat the Clintons in his enthusiasm about UFOs, that is John Podesta: The former chief of staff during president Bill Clinton's administration, highest-profiled X-Files fan, who is now overseeing his wife's campaign-- and who caused quite a stir with that little Tweet he tweeted last year:

    "He has made me personally pledge we are going to get the information out," said Clinton. "One way or another. Maybe we could have, like, a task force to go to Area 51."

    Well, promising has never hurt a politician's career, right? Especially during election year --and frankly, sending a task force to storm Area 51 seems less laughable to me, than forcing Mexico to pay for the expenses of a border wall…

    Still, I must say I find this move by Clinton both bold and refreshing. Her Democratic ticket is by no means secure IMO, with all the thunder Bernie Sanders has stolen from her campaign among the younger demographics --the fact that the Establishment both on the left and right side of the spectrum is so antagonistic towards him is quite telling-- and thus bringing up the UFO wildcard is a daring, unexpected move. Ever since I started to pay attention to Grant Cameron's research into the US presidents' involvement with the UFO question, I was eager to see if the subject would be brought up during the 2016 campaign.

    Now it seems that it might, no matter how much the mainstream media will seek to either ignore it, or belittle its significance.

    So kudos to Daymond Steer for making this election a whole less depressing that what it threatened to be, and for *hopefully* helping make the UFO subject become something more than a late-night show punchline --although I'm sure my thanks will not be as enthusiastic as those of Roland Emmerich's...



    Astronomy, Megastructures, SETI, and Synchronicity

    KIC 8462852 made headlines when volunteers spotted sudden, anomlaous dips in its light. Also known as Tabby's Star, Penn State's Dr. Jason Wright suggested this might be evidence of an alien megastructure. A mainstay of science fiction, megastructures are objects constructed on a planetary or stellar scale. It's an interesting idea since Tabby's Star isn't young, ruling out protoplanetary disks as the cause. Mainstream media went off the deep end with talk of aliens and first contact, but the loyal opposition went a bit nuts too. After a cursory optical and radio scan of Tabby's Star by SETI, skeptics are acting vindicated, crowing how there are no aliens, never will be, and it's just comets. Case closed. Since we can't directly image Tabby's Star, saner minds are left guessing the true nature of this phenomenon.

    Just when you thought it was safe to peek through your telescope, there's a vanishingly small chance mainstream media's going to cry aliens again. Markus Janson, and a few friends, spotted a circumbinary disk around the faint binary star AK Sco. One theory proposes we're looking at a ring system, but there aren't any gaps in the rings to be seen. Another explanation is these might be spiral arms moving in opposite directions, clockwise and counter-clockwise, but their symmetry defies explanation.

    Most likely the disk is natural, but it is weird and important. Discoveries like AK Sco and Tabby's Star may be an example of the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon. Never heard of it before? You're probably going to hear about it again real soon. Baader-Meinhof is when you encounter something unusual or unique seemingly at random, then suddenly examples of it show up everywhere. No one's certain if it's a bias, quirk of our pattern matching algorithms, or synchronicity, but it may be key to spying aliens hard at work expanding their civilization. Perhaps, in a few decades, we'll detect so many inhabited systems, humans will wonder why we thought we were alone in the first place.

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    Messengers of Owlception: A Q&A with Mike Clelland

    I've been following Mike Clelland's blog Hidden Experience since 2009, the same year in which he felt 'compelled' to start sharing with the world, what many in his place would have chosen to keep forever away from prying eyes: Startling personal events and synchronicities, which seemed to point out to the unsettling realization that what our society calls 'UFOs' was somehow deeply intertwined with the thread of his life.

    It's hard to tell what made Mike's posts so fascinating to me. A part was his disarming honesty and the fact that he was his biggest critic, not willing to fall into easy explanations for what was undoubtedly a VERY complex situation. The other reason, I guess, is that I felt some strange 'personal connection' with Mike and what he was going through; at some point I decided to do my best in what little I could offer to helping him in this very arduous self-examination. I was not alone, though; very rapidly Hidden Experience amassed had a very respectful following, and a community started to build around Mike and his exploration of synchronicities, as well as his borderline obsession with owls.

    Inevitably, Mike started to receive an incredible amount of correspondence from people who also felt a mystical connection with owls, and wanted to share their experience to him. By now if you Google "UFOs + Owls" Mike's blog is the FIRST link that appears in the search-list --it's a good thing he doesn't mind his unofficial title as 'the owl guy'; like all of the best people in the UFO field, Mike is endowed with a healthy sense of humor (which seems to be indispensable to retaining your SANITY when dabbling with the high-strangeness of UFOs).

    In the end, the progression from being a simple blogger sharing his own experiences, to becoming the biggest repository of 'owl stories' was the origin for The Messengers, recently published by Richard Dolan Press (by the way, it seems Mike's work is one of the reasons why Richard started to depart from his 'nuts and bolts' perspective on UFOs, and began to embrace some of the 'fringier' aspects of the phenomenon).

    I asked Mike if he was willing to engage in a small Q&A via e-mail to discuss some of the aspects to the book, and he accepted. Mind you, being a personal fan of his for such a long time, I wasn't interested in following the typical 'press interview' shtick! I wanted to go deeper into what Mike went through, what he discovered (both about the mystery itself, as well as himself) and about the personal transformation he went through after completing The Messengers. As always, his heartfelt answers did not disappoint:


    [RPJ] The Messengers is finally fresh off the printers, and given it's still ranking #1 in the UFO category on Amazon, it seems to be getting a lot of deserved attention. Does it give a sense of closure to you? The end of a long journey you started back in 2009 when you felt "compelled" to start your blog Hidden Experience?

    Or is it perhaps the complete opposite, and you feel like it's just the beginning of a longer trip?

    [MC] It feels like the start of a longer trip. Even after trying to untangle all the weirdness archived in the book, I am still just as amazed as I ever was. More so given that I have tried to examine this owl and UFO weirdness from so many different angles.

    [RPJ] Has the sense of "urgency" and/or "purpose" that you felt when you started sharing your experiences in your blog subsided, after the completion of the book?

    [MC] Actually, to a great degree, it has. There was definitely a time where this stuff just sent me into a tizzy. I would have an odd synchronicity, and I would spin my wheels trying to make sense of what had happened. That frenetic energy was helpful in a way, forcing me to really examine what was happening as well as my own denial. The sense of purpose is still there, but the urgency has been dialed down a few notches.

    [RPJ] Who did you write this book for?

    [MC] Well, the foundation of the book is my own experiences. I saw a lot of owls in the years when I first started looking into my own UFO experiences. This doesn’t seem like coincidence. It feels like the owls are somehow a reflection of my own self examination. So, in a very real way, I wrote the book for myself. It feels like a way to formalize my own thoughts and struggles on something that is terribly elusive. The book was self-therapy.

    [RPJ] Did you manage to find the answer you were seeking (i.e. "what's the connection, if any, between owls and the UFO phenomenon)?

    [MC] The short answer is no. I am still seeking. The longer more nuanced answer would be that I came up with some themes and ideas that seemed to feel right, if they are actually correct is another thing altogether. I can say with conviction that there is a connection between owls and UFOs, but I cannot say what it is. The book explores a mystery, and it’s something that remains unsolved even after years of investigation.

    [RPJ] The book is 370 pages long, and something tells me you still left quite a lot on the "cutting room floor" as it were ;)
    Why did you feel the need to provide so much content?

    [MC] As I was writing, I just kept getting more and more accounts, each one leading down a different avenue of thought. Amazing stories of people seeing an owl in conjunction with some UFO event. The whole thing is multifaceted in a way that left me astonished. I was cautious to leave anything out, because each bend in the path seemed to present a completely different aspect of the phenomenon. I talked this over at length with Richard Dolan, the publisher (and editor) and he felt that this subject had never really been addressed in any meaningful way, so we might as well throw everything into the soup.

    [RPJ] Has your view on the UFO phenomenon changed during the process of writing The Messengers? If so, how?

    [MC] Well, I feel like it’s a lot weirder than I had ever dared to imagine.

    [RPJ] What's the thing that surprised you the most during the research of the book?

    [MC] I was surprised that I had tapped into such a bottomless pit of stories. Each account was amazing to me, and they just kept on coming. I was shocked at the power of what was arriving in my email inbox. If there was a theme, it would be that each and every story was rich and heartfelt in a way that leaves me humbled.

    [RPJ] What was the most difficult thing you faced in the process of writing the book?

    [MC] Well, the simple answer is that I wish I had made a formalized outline right at the onset. Instead I just started writing. I would talk to someone with an odd owl story and then write it up as an essay. One after another, until it became a full time job. Somewhere in the middle of the process it felt like I was drowning in the stories, and it took a lot of work to weave them together into a progression.

    [RPJ] What would you say to the people who might not resonate with the theme of The Messengers --i.e. the "nuts and bolts" crowd?

    [MC] I would hope that I make my point in a way that the nuts and bolts researchers would get. I use a lot of accounts of owls and UFOs that seem connected. I try to lead the reader along through a set of stories, my point being that there is some strange aspect of a larger phenomenon at play. I may lose the unadventurous along the way because I explore the very personal side to these strange experiences. There is a transformational aspect to what is reported, and this becomes a core theme to the book.

    [RPJ] UFOlogy seems to be stuck in a state of stagnation that has endured for several decades. What do you feel the field needs in order to get free from its current rut?

    [MC] Well, I don’t really care about UFOlogy, whatever that might even mean. What I do care about is reading and listening to dedicated individuals who are trying to untangle these mysteries. I think once a thing turns into a group (especially with an acronym title) everything gets deluded. Its easy to say that a lot of this field is in a rut, but thats true of almost everything. Listen to popular music. Nothing needs to be done except focus on the really interesting stuff, whatever that might mean to you.

    My advice is to ignore the field as a whole, but concentrate on the people who are doing the hard work.

    [RPJ] What's next for you?

    [MC] There is a follow up book coming out soon, with the title Stories from The Messengers. When compiling information there were a lot of longer stories that simply wouldn’t fit into the book. These accounts would have lost much of their power if they were edited down and squeezed into the chapters. There is a messy aspect to the phenomenon where some of the stories display a complexity that plays out with an eerie consistency. It is as if every odd detail is a thread, and pulling on each one leads to even more strangeness. It would have been unfair to the people who experienced these events to tell their story without including the overall wealth of details. The follow up book will feature these accounts, and it should read like a collection of short stories.