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News Briefs 12-05-2008

A bit of everything today.

Thanks, Greg.

Quote of the Day:

If patterns of ones and zeros were like patterns of human lives and death, if everything about an individual could be represented in a computer record by a long string of ones and zeros, then what kind of creature would be represented by a long string of lives and deaths?

Thomas Pynchon

  1. How Predictable
    The Guardian (and those who would seriosly read it) uses a normal, cyclical slowdown in the ecomomy to extol the virtues and brilliance of Karl Marx. “See, communisim is right! And we are smarter than Lenin and Stalin so we can implement it CORRECTLY.” That’s not an intellectual view – it’s stupidity born of arrogance. The only thing more laughable this morning was that idiotic rant by Jason Miller. Nice to see at least one of his thirteen readers trying to help the guy out. So other than this predictable garbage….good links today! Can’t wait until summer kicks in so that we can start getting the Global Warming…oops, Climate Change, links again.

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    My apologies go out to all who were just offended by this hostile, confrontational and completely unreasonable post.

    1. Admin Note
      [quote=Anonymous]So other than this predictable garbage….good links today! Can’t wait until summer kicks in so that we can start getting the Global Warming…oops, Climate Change, links again.[/quote]

      Okay, here’s the rub. Kat works her butt off, for little to no reward, assembling interesting and thought-provoking news briefs for TDG readers. Almost every week without fail, you post drivel like this afterwards. Once or twice it might be a cute little aside, illustrating your political/philosophical differences of opinion, but now it’s just tiresome and insulting…and I can only imagine, designed to provoke Kat. Please think a little deeper before hitting the submit button next time, because my patience is at an end.

      Kind regards,
      Greg
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      You monkeys only think you’re running things

      1. Sure
        1. I did say the other links were good.
        2. It can’t be too hard if she has time to dig up her leftist crap for everyone to read.
        3. You don’t seem to mind comments that are equally political/philopshical, as long as you agree with them.
        4. You don’t seem to mind insulting or demeaning comments, as long as you agree with them or don’t care for the person to whom they are directed.
        5. If you don’t like freedom of speech that cuts both ways, tell your people to avoid using TDG to push their personal idealogies. (I don’t think that’s what TDG readers come here for, do you?)
        6. If they are going to push their opinions, then no one should get bent if they are *gasp* challenged.
        7. I’ve got other accounts to log in with (and other IPs). So don’t get pissy with me. Either stick to the areas of interest that TDG was created for or grow a thicker skin when someone uses the comment system to……comment.

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        My apologies go out to all who were just offended by this hostile, confrontational and completely unreasonable post.

        1. *sigh*
          I try and offer a little advice…

          [quote=Anonymous]1. I did say the other links were good.[/quote]

          You did, and it was noted. That’s not the bit I had trouble with. Is it okay for me to say your Mum is a skank, as long as I say she cooks a mean roast? Because when you post drivel like…

          [quote]2. It can’t be too hard if she has time to dig up her leftist crap for everyone to read.[/quote]

          It just throws everything out the door.

          [quote]3. You don’t seem to mind comments that are equally political/philopshical, as long as you agree with them.[/quote]

          Bzzzt. So wrong you don’t even win a plastic toy as a sympathy prize. Anyone who has been here for a while knows that there are a number of former members who found out that wasn’t true at all. Perhaps you had your belief system covering your eyes at the time, or maybe you’re just ignorant.

          Additionally, and as I keep pointing out to you (maybe you are just ignorant), you don’t even know what my “political/philosophical” viewpoint is. That’s quite obvious, because you haven’t even realised yet that I have a lot of points on which I don’t agree with Kat (and other admins) at all. Just because I’m open minded enough to allow people to post thought-provoking articles, you shouldn’t jump to conclusions about where I’m coming from. Because, when you do, you look rather…silly.

          [quote]4. You don’t seem to mind insulting or demeaning comments, as long as you agree with them or don’t care for the person to whom they are directed.[/quote]

          Bzzzt! Wrong again. You’re not very good at this game are you. I’ve lost friends/members because I’ve defended the rights of certain people on this site whom I don’t agree with at all.

          [quote]5. If you don’t like freedom of speech that cuts both ways, tell your people to avoid using TDG to push their personal idealogies. (I don’t think that’s what TDG readers come here for, do you?)[/quote]

          I love freedom of speech. That’s why I *don’t* tell people what to post – sublimely ironic isn’t it? My problem lies in personal insults and attacks.

          [quote]6. If they are going to push their opinions, then no one should get bent if they are *gasp* challenged.[/quote]

          Once again, I’ll point out that I have no problems with people challenging points. There are a number of members here who do it extremely well, without resorting to the insulting drivel you seem to rely on.

          [quote]7. I’ve got other accounts to log in with (and other IPs). So don’t get pissy with me. Either stick to the areas of interest that TDG was created for or grow a thicker skin when someone uses the comment system to……comment.[/quote]

          I don’t know, maybe you are King Muck of the swamp people in your own little world, but TDG is my house – so you don’t get to throw orders at me here. The fact that you have been here posting for over three years is testament to my thick skin. But you seem unable, or unwilling, to take good advice.

          Better bust out those other accounts and IPs. As long as your next incarnation challenges the points fairly, without resorting to insulting behaviour, I have no problem. But it will just be history repeating if you haven’t learnt anything.

          Kind regards,
          Greg
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          You monkeys only think you’re running things

          1. Alrighty then…
            Before I respond to the obvious hypocrisy built into that last post of yours, are you sure you want to keep going with this banning thing, or would you prefer to be civil about this? You know, without calling names and throwing out personal attacks (which you hate so much) like you did in that last post? Let me know ’cause I’m not going anywhere.

          2. Reiterating…
            [quote=Anonyme]Before I respond to the obvious hypocrisy built into that last post of yours, are you sure you want to keep going with this banning thing, or would you prefer to be civil about this? [/quote]

            Welcome back. It appears you haven’t read my post very well. Here’s what I said:

            “Better bust out those other accounts and IPs. As long as your next incarnation challenges the points fairly, without resorting to insulting behaviour, I have no problem.”

            I’m not sure how you get from my statement above, to your assumption that I am going to “keep going with this banning thing”? I’ve been more than civil, and continue to be civil, so don’t portray a different situation to the one that is at hand.

            [quote]You know, without calling names and throwing out personal attacks (which you hate so much) like you did in that last post? Let me know ’cause I’m not going anywhere.[/quote]

            Whatever floats your boat my friend, it makes no difference at my end. Either you post intelligently, and we all get along famously, or you resort to insulting behaviour again and you get to set up another account. It’s only two mouse clicks at my end, so it’s no bother at all.

            In case you missed the point of the previous message – thoughtful posts good, insulting posts bad. You can assert whatever points you want at length, regardless of their political or philosophical persuasion. Just don’t act like an ass in doing it.

            Kind regards,
            Greg
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            You monkeys only think you’re running things

          3. Uh huh….
            [quote]I’m not sure how you get from my statement above, to your assumption that I am going to “keep going with this banning thing”? I’ve been more than civil, and continue to be civil, so don’t portray a different situation to the one that is at hand.[/quote]

            Well, let’s see…you already banned my “Anonymous” account and you continue to threaten to keep doing so. Maybe you just need to call me ignorant or ass a few more times to convince me of your civility. (I can change IP addresses quicker than you can make your two clicks, by the way. And free e-mail accounts are infinite in number.) But at least you haven’t busted out the civility big guns like Rick has when he recently referred to me as an asshole. I know you hate personal attacks. What did you say? Oh yes:

            [quote]thoughtful posts good, insulting posts bad[/quote]

            Oops, guess you’ll have to live up to that credo in the next thread, eh?

            Look, it’s all quite simple:

            I, as well as…oh, everyone else I would imagine, come here for links that are relevent to the mission of TDG. We don’t come here to be insulted by back-handed comments from your contributors with regards to religion or political persuasion. And by back-handed, i mean things that are sometimes overt references but more often by the completely innaproriate, or at least unbalanced, links that are chosen to be published. Like it or not, your contributors are acting on your behalf and are therefore acting as your agents. If THEY link to hate speech, YOU link to hate speech. If I make a comment about the stupity of a linked article, and give a reason for why I consider it stupid, but then I’m personally attacked for doing so…..guess what? I…I am the one, even if only by comparison, that engaged in the thoughtful post while the attacker is the one who engaged in the insulting post. Get it? The lunacy of attacking me personally after I comment on an idiotic or hateful linked article, and then saying I’M the one that’s being insulting, is just over the top rediculous.

            Here’s my suggestions: Start exercising a little editorial control over those that are working on your behalf so that 1. they refrain from imposing their insulting beliefs on others, escpecially when they have zero to do with the mission of TDG; 2. Get someone to “balance” the loony Lefties so that no one thinks that YOU actually endorse hate speech or one-sided presentation of controversial issues; or 3. Keep acting like I’m the problem, and I’ll keep doing what I do and you all keep doing what you do.

            I don’t know about you, but I think the third option is the worst.

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            Stop taking yourself so seriously. I don’t.

          4. And we continue…
            [quote=Anonyme]Well, let’s see…you already banned my “Anonymous” account and you continue to threaten to keep doing so. [/quote]

            I assume that you still haven’t read what I said. You were banned for insulting behaviour. I said your next incarnation is welcome as long you don’t act the same way. That’s not called “threatening” that’s called “advice”.

            [quote]Maybe you just need to call me ignorant or ass a few more times to convince me of your civility.[/quote]

            To be accurate, I said you acted like an ass, not that you were one. And you continue to act like one. Maybe instead of reacting without thinking, you should ruminate on why I said you acted like an ass?

            [quote] (I can change IP addresses quicker than you can make your two clicks, by the way. And free e-mail accounts are infinite in number.)[/quote]

            Go for it. Really, if you want to engage in what is, quite frankly, pathological behaviour, that’s your perogative. You’re certainly putting on quite a show at the moment for the viewers out there. If I wanted to act stupid myself, I could let you spend time composing posts like this and then delete them down to one word, just to spite you – but acting like that would be…stupid. Personally, I think it would be simpler for you to listen to advice. Seems that’s not your thing though. 2 clicks it is, we can play this game forever.

            It does take you a few more clicks than I though to set up that next mail account, and log in again, and set the theme to the white background that you like.

            [quote] But at least you haven’t busted out the civility big guns like Rick has when he recently referred to me as an asshole. I know you hate personal attacks. [/quote]

            You have no idea what is said in private between admins. You have no idea about comments that are deleted and you never see them. You argue from a point of ignorance about what I do and don’t do, what my philosophical and political position is, so it’s a little hard for me to take you seriously when you are completely wrong on nearly everything you say. Basically, you have no clue.

            Or, you could take my advice and just post without insulting people and I would happily ignore you. Tough choice, I know.

            [quote]Here’s my suggestions: Start exercising a little editorial control over those that are working on your behalf so that 1. they refrain from imposing their insulting beliefs on others, escpecially when they have zero to do with the mission of TDG; 2. Get someone to “balance” the loony Lefties so that no one thinks that YOU actually endorse hate speech or one-sided presentation of controversial issues; or 3. Keep acting like I’m the problem, and I’ll keep doing what I do and you all keep doing what you do. [/quote]

            I’m glad that I’m now getting suggestions, rather than orders. I would add 4. Leave.

            [quote]Stop taking yourself so seriously. I don’t.[/quote]

            You obviously do. A smart person would have stopped by now, but you seem to be all worked up. Take a pill, act civil, and get on with it. If you don’t like something that is posted, debate *the article*, or if you really don’t like the vibe of TDG…leave. Because at the moment, you’re half the DSM condensed into a little ball of angry.

            Kind regards,
            Greg
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            You monkeys only think you’re running things

          5. If I may…
            [quote]But at least you haven’t busted out the civility big guns like Rick has when he recently referred to me as an a**hole[/quote]

            For the record, I can verify that Rick himself removed that insult on his own accord, without Greg having to say anything to him.

            I can only add that we as admins are as fallible and prone to anger as any other member of TDG, or the human race for that matter—but please keep in mind that, unlike the customary behavior in web liaisons, Rick was civil enough to acknowledge his mistake and correct it.

            If you expect us to be perfect and incapable of errors, I fear you might be in the wrong place.
            —–
            It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
            It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

            Red Pill Junkie

          6. Imposition?
            Anonyme,

            I’m puzzled as to how presenting an article on a certain political viewpoint equates to a view being imposed. I will decide for myself, as far as possible, what ideas I engage with.

            Matt.

          7. Guess we’re done here then…..
            [quote]I assume that you still haven’t read what I said. You were banned for insulting behaviour. I said your next incarnation is welcome as long you don’t act the same way. That’s not called “threatening” that’s called “advice”.[/quote]

            And yet I’m the only one who’s pointed out any specific “insulting behavior”. And it came from you, directed at me. Huh.

            [quote]To be accurate, I said you acted like an ass, not that you were one. And you continue to act like one. Maybe instead of reacting without thinking, you should ruminate on why I said you acted like an ass?[/quote]

            Ah. I guess I’ll just apply that same Clintonesque wordsmithing to whatever it is you claim was my “insulting behavior”. So if I recommend that you stop acting like an immature pussy, just know that I’m not really calling you an immature pussy. Hey, I like this game!

            [quote]You have no idea what is said in private between admins. You have no idea about comments that are deleted and you never see them.[/quote]

            And I don’t have to. He posted it in the public comments. You really don’t pay close attention, do you? He went back in and edited it, changing “asshole” to some other descriptive term, but not before I saw it and called him on it in my reply post.

            [quote]Basically, you have no clue.[/quote]

            Because I’m just an “ignorant ass”, right?

            [quote] A smart person would have stopped by now, but you seem to be all worked up.[/quote]

            Did you just post that with a straight face!!? LMFAO

            I already rejected your #4 suggestion, and there is squat you can do about that. And it’s clear that you aren’t open to any of my suggestions other than #3. So we’re done here. I’ll see you in the comments section whenever I feel a little input is needed to balance the occasional irresponisble link or comment. I’ll leave it up to you to figure out which user names I choose to use on a weekly basis.

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            RPJ,
            Glad to see that at least you saw what Rick did. I don’t know if I can give him props for editing his post after it was already out there, escpecially since I didn’t get an apology for his very (un)civil name calling. Then again, Greg doesn’t seem to be open to that either. Of course I don’t expect anyone to be error-free. I would just ask for contributors to not insult the readers, either by snide quips and comments or by offensive material that they link to. ESCPECIALLY if they don’t link to the “other side” of the issue in question. What would TDG be like if all we got were links to NAMBLA blogs and Hugo Chavez speeches (for example) just because a given contributor happened to be in sympatico with those people and/or their views? Isn’t one of TDG’s goals to appeal to a wide variety of issues, theories, viewpoints AND readers (though I don’t recall politics, at an idealogical level, being a traditional area of concern for TDG)? How is that happening when all we get are Pro-Global warming links (well, at least some rediculous percentage like 95% are PRO, thanks to you posting a few on the other side) and are insulted if we dare challenge or post other views on the topic?

            For the record, you are clearly the most “balanced” (and in my opinion, most intelligent) contributor to TDG. Keep up the good work!

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            [quote]I’m puzzled as to how presenting an article on a certain political viewpoint equates to a view being imposed[/quote]

            Perhaps “imposed” isn’t the correct word. But I think you would agree that a variety of viewpoints would make for a more balanced presentation of material for the TDG readers. Which would imply, at least to me, that making pro OR con comments regarding that material wouldn’t be met with scorn or insult.

          8. 2 last things
            [quote]. I would just ask for contributors to not insult the readers, either by snide quips and comments or by offensive material that they link to. ESCPECIALLY if they don’t link to the “other side” of the issue in question [/quote]

            I cannot speak for Rick, but all I can say is that if someone ever feels my comments are particularly offensive to them or others, they should point them out and in case I fail to ammed the mistake, then they should address Greg directly via e-mail.

            But one thing is certain Anon, and its that the only person that can cause you or anyone else to feel insulted by the material presented here at TDG, is none other than you. I think the idea of TDG is to present a very versatile and varied amount of topics that could be ressented and scoffed at by some folks. If I for example, present a link about Mary Magdalene and the Merovingian theory that would certainly not be the particular cup of tea of a devout catholic; likewise with Global Warming. But if a person logs in to TDG daily or every once in a while, I think that person is not afraid to be challenged and open their horizons.

            You ask about balance, and that’s why I believe the contribution of TDG members is invaluable in achieving that balance, provided we do it in a civil manner. I for one welcome opinions that contradict my own viepoints because, frankly, this site would be rather boring if everyone agreed with everybody on everything.

            On a personal note, I thank you for your comment about my performance
            🙂

            —–
            It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
            It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

            Red Pill Junkie

          9. Why I come here?
            I come here for the news, but most of all for the intelligent debate. [Inflammatory statement removed – ed.]

          10. similarly
            Similarly to anthonynorth, I come here for the debate. The news input sparks debates, it is very valuable. And sometimes people other than the formal news posters provide new information. I wish there were more, from more different cultures.

            Having said that, I don’t expect a convergence of opinions. I am just hoping for more understanding between the different points of view.

            —-
            if everything is under control, you are not going fast enough (Mario Andretti)

          11. I come here to get differant insights, and views.
            I’m not a scholar, or scientist. But have a keen interest in everything. A need to better understand others opinions. And look at the facts as we know them. That is what brings me to the Grail.

          12. The Final Word
            [quote=Anon_Redux]And yet I’m the only one who’s pointed out any specific “insulting behavior”. And it came from you, directed at me. Huh.
            [snip]
            I would just ask for contributors to not insult the readers, either by snide quips and comments or by offensive material that they link to.[/quote]

            Firstly, I’m not sure why you have the new name, when your previous incarnation hasn’t been banned.

            Secondly, and in response to your call for evidence of “specific insulting behaviour”, and heartfelt plea for people to avoid “snide quips”, I thought it worth presenting a tiny showcase of some of your best work in taking the rhetorical high road.

            * 2005: “Now was this bit of idiotic commentary really needed?”

            * 2006: “Michael Moore couldn’t have regurgitated that tripe with such an economy of words. Kudos!”

            * 2007: “Kat, Seek medication. Please. ;)”

            * 2008: “I quickly lost interest in anything you had to say after this bit of enlightened genuis. Your attempt to convey some sort of profound insight was completely undermined by your gleeful ignorance and misplaced arrogance.”

            Contrary to your belief, you have been defended before by myself, and also in private emails (although no doubt your sarcasm/trolling is a factor in those attacks – as you’ve said yourself, you’ve “got to cut back on satirical provocation as a means for stimulating debate. Too many people just don’t get it.” Additionally, you have some conspiracy thing going where you believe there is some sort of danger from “Leftist” people, even when they clearly aren’t, and sometimes when you don’t even read the story you’re ranting about…and it’s quite obvious that you filter TDG’s presentation to suit your private belief of some ‘Left-Wing Conspiracy’. In view of that, perhaps it might be a good thing to take my advice and stop posting snide and insulting posts? It’s become quite obvious though that you don’t take other people’s advice, so here’s your own:

            “Which is why it’s always just good manners to respect people and their beliefs, passions and interests, even you don’t hold the same.”

            Or if you’ve moved on since that quote, perhaps this from your response above:

            “…making pro OR con comments regarding that material wouldn’t be met with scorn or insult.”

            You don’t agree that the showcase above of some of your previous remarks doesn’t exhibit “scorn or insult”? And that was just a quick selection. As I said, I have been more than forgiving in past. No longer.

            Reiterating the rules: You can post contentless sarcasm directed at a story you didn’t agree with. I’m sure we’d all prefer intelligent criticism of the story, but it’s your choice. But stop trolling, and making snide comments at other members and admins.

            [quote]So we’re done here. I’ll see you in the comments section whenever I feel a little input is needed to balance the occasional irresponisble link or comment. I’ll leave it up to you to figure out which user names I choose to use on a weekly basis. [/quote]

            Again, you haven’t read what I said. I have no desire or need to figure out which user name you are under (I’m sorry if this ruins some sort of ‘spy game’ fantasy you’ve been running with). You are free to post here – as I’ve said consistently – as long as you don’t resort to snide and insulting remarks. If you do, you’ll find them moderated, deleted, or ultimately a ban on the username. I don’t use usernames in deciding whether to moderate a comment, I use the content. So that’s in your hands, not mine.

            The above starts at this moment, I have no further wish to debate points that are quite obvious. So if you want to rant again, don’t be surprised to see it disappear. Because as you say, we are certainly “done here”.

            Kind regards,
            Greg
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            You monkeys only think you’re running things

  2. would you ever leave the holodeck?
    Fortunately for me, that technology is still a couple of decades away 🙂

    —–
    It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
    It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

    Red Pill Junkie

    1. Would I ever leave the holodeck?
      Never felt the need to yet. That’s death, isn’t it 🙂

      The balanced adult retains an inner child

      Anthony North

  3. There’s no place like a $2 billion home.
    Images of the project here.

    Babylon hanging gardens, anyone? 😉

    —–
    It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
    It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

    Red Pill Junkie

  4. I think
    the work you guys do to get the links for all these cool articles is amazing.

    I appreciate it very much, even though I don’t comment often. Lately I have been busy getting my house in order.. literally lol

    Keep up the good work Kat!

    hugs

    marissa

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