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News Briefs 30-06-2006

It’s not your typical TDG fare, but I found the last two paragraphs on this page, about a Japanese girl’s memory of groking English, interesting.

Quote of the Day:

The white man is clever, but he is not wise.

Ishi, the last member of the Yahi tribe

  1. Read it before it disappears
    All those who value freedom and democracy would do well to read Blair laid bare: the article that may get you arrested, at The Independent, before it disappears behind their pay-per-view wall.

    If you find the ‘Blair laid bare’ article disturbing, you might want to check out Cernig’s commentary at Newshog, a great place to find more worthwhile reads, including…

    Dear Dems: You had me at hello — You lost me at ‘we will not seek impeachment’.

    Dear Media: You’ve been played like a ’59 Gold Top. Now what?

    Warren Buffet’s lessons for the rich.

    Kat

    1. Very nice articles – One Gross Out Award though
      I read today’s news and Greg’s news too, got caught up here. WOW, what great articles there were. I loved all of the ones with the archaeological and anthropological reads. Greg, you freaked me out with the test tube hamburger.

      I almost threw up considering that people would even want to buy that type of food and actually eat it. I think that one article I will vote as the most gross article I have read in my life in the field of food — Yes, definetly –Number One Gross Out Award.

      I did enjoy articles as well from P. Coppens, that was good. I teared when he spoke of Gerald Hawkins and Archaeo-astronomy — as Gerald was my “father.” I was happy to see Gerald be recognized and remembered for his work, many people do not even know his name. I was blessed to inherit his original studies and writings to continue his work….wow…what a great man he was. Unreal to read that in the interview.

      Well, it was all great and thanks for all of the efforts and the great thrills and gross outs.
      C

      Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
      Circular Times
      http://www.robertschoch.net

  2. Ishi
    I once saw a doco about Ishi.And he was so right.

    The political links make me despair Kat as they must you and others like you in America.
    I am struggling with the total lack of conscience of those who govern in my own country.
    They play the game as if there could be no tomorrow, and whether or not you believe in Karma, you have to admit that there are always consequences for actions.
    Australia has gone into the list of countries most hated, along with the US and Britain.
    As for the media controlling what we hear, here is an example.

    Last week I was watching Sky News here when they announced that the courts in America had declared that American law had no provision to try people from other countries under their terrorism laws.This refers to Australians and other foreigners held in Guantanamo Bay.
    The news reader said that the ONLY country that did not object to America holding and trying these men was Australia.
    In the next news update, one hour later, the same announcer said that Australia was ONE of the countries that did not object to America holding it’s citizens and trying them for terrorism.

    Australian David HIcks who has now been in Guantanamo for nearly 5 years without a trial is condemned to remain there because our Prime Monster will not demand his return to Oz.
    Does it make me sick?
    You betcha!!!!!

    The UFO pics are sensational.I sent the website of that second one to my disbelieving son Jake, expecting that he would be here today on his knees begging his mother’s forgiveness.
    Not so!
    Instead he picked out one shot of a UFO, enlarged it and returned it to me telling me it was a shot from the ground of Kenny from South Park.(And added hehehehe).
    What do you do with a son like that besides love him to death!

    I actually know the place in my brain where prejudice resides.I don’t know about the rest of you though.
    When I accidently see pics of any members of any political parties or any religious ministers on TV, the little bump over my right ear begins to throb.It is the prejudice zone.
    I have tried to be tolerant of these ‘citizens’ but I just cannot do it.
    I will go to my grave with my prejudice zone alive and well and unfortunately I will probably be reincarnated as an Exclusive Brethren pastor.
    Serves me right I suppose.

    shadows

    1. courts
      Perhaps this was reported incorrectly there – the only verdict by the US Supreme Court was that the people held in Gunatanamo cannot be tried in US military courts.

      This leaves open that they could be tried in other courts, such as US criminal courts, US civil courts, or anywhere else.

      1. You could be right, earthling
        But I wonder why Howard was on TV complaining that he does not want Hicks back in Oz unless he has been tried.
        And we don’t have laws here to try him.
        Is it possible they cannot try him in a criminal court in the US and this is why Howard is complaining?

        shadows

        1. public trials
          I believe one reason that the US goverment doesn’t want criminal trials for these guys is that evidence becomes public when they do that. Even if it did not, any evidence would have to be made available to the defense lawyers. This could reveal a lot about how, for example, the CIA has operated in connection with these cases.

          I am not sure whether the US has jurisdiction over what Hicks has supposedly done. But many countries don’t want these prisoners back. This can have many reasons. For example, being a member of al Quaeda in Afghanistan was not illegal under Afghan law. So if that’s all Australia knows abut Hicks, he probably has not broken Australian law. If an Australian kills someone in Afghanistan, does that break Australian law, even if it was legal in Afghanistan? Even if it is illegal, but only the CIA and the US military have evidence, getting that evidence into an Australian court is even harder than into a US court.

          Then of course you have the question of jurisdiction in US courts as well. If an Australian, for example, kills a Pakistani in Afghanistan, does a US court have jurisdiction over this? (This is a hypothetical, general example, I have no idea what Hicks is supposed to have done).

          1. I am not sure what Hicks has done..
            ..except I think he joined the Taliban in Afghanistan.There are pics of him with big guns.
            I didn’t think it was illegal for someone to do that, but the world has changed now and the US can make illegal anything it wants, and Oz will go with it.

            Yes you would be right about the criminal trials.

            Thanks,

            shadows

          2. You Have A Point; But,…
            earthling

            The U.S. Government is famous for withholding evidence from the defense on the grounds that it could or would compromise national security. Much of the time the evidence would simply embarrase the U.S. Government!

            What do you think?

            kennc

          3. precisely
            the US government has done this in many spy trials during the cold war, for example. That is why there many exchanges of prisoners, when not everything went to trial. It was understood that all these guys were spies, and an exchange was made. That was the cold war, and there was an opposite side, enemy countries.

            But now it is different. The enemy now is basically a private organization, not a government. There are hundreds of these guys in that prison. A few of them are innocent, almost certainly. You can’t collect 500 or 1000 people, and all of them are really guilty. Mistakes happen.

            But other governments believe that most of them are very guilty. They are scare of those guys.

            That is why many countries say that “Gitmo” should be closed, but nobody knows what to do with the prisoners that are there.

            To answer your customary line, what do I think:

            certainly the current situation is untenable. You cannnot keep people in a legal state of limbo indefinetely. And you cannot pretent that this “war on terror” is a short term thing.

            On the other hand, you can also not pretend that this is business as usual.

            What we have here is a war between some countries (USA, UK, rest of Europe, Russia, and more) against some private organizations. Al Queada is one of those, the Taliban are another. There are more.

            So, in my understanding, that is the problem. I don’t know the solution.

          4. It’s not a legal state of limbo
            Earthling I do not think it is a legal prison.The US built that prison and imprisoned those people before any laws were made to detain them.

            shadows

          5. yes
            the US put them there because they did now know waht to do with them.

            There is no applicable law, in my amatuer view of it. There is also no good way to deal with the prisoners there. I don’t want any of them in my house, do you?

            I am quite negative on Taliban and Al Quaeda folks (if I don’t spell it right, I am a little sorry, but not much). These are not nice people. I have relatives and friends of the female persuasion, so that rules out any Taliban or similar folks as “respectable” for me.

            What do you propose that should be done with those prisoners? Let them go in Cuba? Castro doesn’t want them.

            Ship them back to where they were taken prisoner ?

            Again, I do not have any solution, not even a bad one.

          6. What Do Applicable Laws Have To Do With It?
            earthling

            When the U.S. Government decides to do something, they do it! For the U.S. Government, applicable laws are a convenience, not a necessity! If you don’t believe me, ask Native Americans or any other Minority!

            What do you think?

            kennc

          7. reciprocity
            When did Osama Bin Laden (sp?) and many of his allies ask about legality?

            When did Bader and Meinhoff ask about it?

            When did Ted Kaczynski ever ask about it?

            Ted tried to kill some of my associates. If he had known me personally, or even just my mailing address, Ted would have tried to kill me. I take that negatively. What would you think ? Would you think about legal techincalities, if it is OK for Ted to try to kill me ?

            I have no patience for these kinds of people. This is not an abstract discussion.

            The prison in Guantanamo is a real problem. The situation of the prisoners is a real problem.

            But assuming that they are all innocent, and that the US government is the reason for all these problems does not lead us to a solutiion either.

          8. I Agree That You Have To Fight Fire With Fire; But,
            earthling

            The U.S. Government has totally bungled everything! A precident needs to be set about the necessity of legal proceedure! Furthermore, the situation in Guantanamo never had to happen! It could have been handled legally. Because it wasn’t, the prisoners will be able to get their charges dismissed or, at best, seriously reduced due to legal technicalities and they will have the right to sue the U.S. Government over their treatment at Guantanamo!

            What do you think?

            kennc

          9. yes, most likely
            I dont know where this will go. But is seems to be stuck in a bad way.

            Prisoners have been held under legally quesionable conditions, and many guilty people will escape eventially.

            Some innocent people are suffering now, and will suffor for some more time.

            The US government did not know what to do, they mostly panicked, in my estimation. But then, I don’t know how to do it better. At this point, my guess is that the US government is just doing nothing, dragging their feet.

            Because they dont know what to do with those guys. And they can’t get rid of them either, no other country wants to take the risk. Not even for 1 or 2 of those prisoners.

            So, this is not just a legal issue. Nobody knows what to do with those prisoners, and nobody believes they are innocent.

            So what do we do ?

            Sure we can say it is a war, as the US goverment says. But against who? A was against a private organization, that has no membership records?

          10. No they won’t kennc
            Because the US government will make sure they don’t.Even if they have to break the law again.
            And while I have sympathy for earthling because of his associates etc, I urge people to remember that we have laws for reasons.
            The CIA did not bother with laws when it helped Osama bin Laden and his family to leave the country straight after 911.
            The US has not bothered with laws in Iraq in their pre-emptive invasion of that country.
            It has not bothered with laws, those of man or decency when it has slaughtered innocent people by the thousands in Iraq and left the ‘Cradle of Civilization’ devastated.
            Words like ‘law’ and ‘America’ cannot anymore be used in the same sentence.

            I hate the fact that we are required to be frightened by a certain race of people, which is what is meant when you hear the word ‘terrorism’.

            shadows

          11. peace, law, justice, and parts
            Pol Pot died peacefully in his bed, due to international law.

            When, he should have been cut into little pieces by any justice imaginable.

          12. I agree
            And Pol Pot is one of the reasons we should make laws and stick to them.
            Universal laws that can make sure that citizens of the earth all have equal rights.

            shadows

          13. ok
            so I will renew my membership in the Green Party here (do yo9u believe that), and I will press these issues.

            Some problems:

            Global warming, and what to so about it.

            Exploitation of women, in poor countries especially. In rich Muslim countries too.

            marine biology. 50% of our oxygen comes from the sea.

            I listen to you Shadow, tell me more

            we argue, but I listen

          14. Yes, The Law Will Be Broken Again!
            Shadows

            There is no justice! I have alway known that; but, without healthy respect for law and order, there is no future! Most Governments, including the U.S. Government, and Most Powerful People, including George Bush, have never understood this fundamental point! When are people going to learn that freedom and responsibility are two sides of the same coin and without them there can be no future? Pride is like the Summer; It comes before the fall! People need to be free and have educational opportunities that help them expand and fully utilize there ability to think. Freedom of thought, and speech are fundamental to building a future! But, actions should be governed by fair and just laws that apply equally to everyone regardless of their rank in society! Members of Governments have been ignoring laws for far too long! Now, there is no way to avoid the consequences!

            What do you think?

            kennc

            kennc

          15. I Agree!
            shadows

            The situation is not legal. But, since when has the legality of an issue detered the U.S. Government when it can use its war powers? Thousands of loyal Japanese-Americans were illegally put in concentration camps during WWII!

            What do you think?

            kennc

          16. Public Trials?
            earthling

            Public trials are the very last thing that the U.S. Government wants! I don’t know the solution either; but, I do know the U.S. Government and this is cover-up time!

            What do you think?

            kennc

          17. yes no public
            even if there is nothing whatsoever to cover up –

            there stil are things that the other side is not supposed to know

            How did they find all these people, who betraid whom, who was paid off, and many things of that sort.

            No, even if the US goverment agencies have a 100% clean record, they don’t want this to be public.

            I am not saying that these agencies are 100% clean, or even close. I would be very surprised. But, you could not even reveal that.

            If it was revealed that they were clean, who would be afraid of them?

            They can’t do it right.

            Maybe it’s like bartenders. If they ask you whether you want another drink too early, you say “I drink at my own pace!!”. If they ask you too late, you get insulted, because they are ignoring you.

  3. Zahi’s letter
    A very interesting statement made in a letter written by Zahi Hawass regarding the Bosnian pyramid, “No one can say that these stones were transported by human beings since each weighs approximately 40 tons.”

    Considering that the GP has many stones heavier than 40 tonne in the roof structure of the Kings Chamber, how is this then explained?

    AAiek

    1. Is Hawass Afraid?
      If your going to bash research and an ongoing dig with facts that have no merit. It must be fear. Keep digging Sam till we know what is really there in Bosnia. Does the scientific community poke fun of people that believe that Jesus rose from the dead, and will be coming back? But believe in flying saucers or ancient civilizations and your crazy.

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