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News Briefs 19-08-04

According to a prediction emailed to governments and media around the globe, a comet is supposed to kill us all today, so maybe this News Brief will remain unread. If we all survived the doomsday again, here is todays news.

  • Although they may be asked to die for their country, Wiccans in US service have difficulties with recognition of their beliefs. Meanwhile, a Pagan is being persecuted by townspeople who killed her pet and send her death threats.
  • Whereas previous administrations commonly framed their anti-drug arguments in secular terms, Bush’s drug war, at least rhetorically, resembles that of a religious crusade.
  • The Bush Administration demand that any HIV-prevention education relies on abstinence. You only had until Monday to protest.
  • It really is little wonder that 4,000 scientists say Bush’s religious intolerance is interfering with scientific progress.
  • However, since Kerry is just as concerned to woo the 40% of Americans who are “Born again”, its uncertain that the possible futures are really all that different.
  • The big question puzzling archaeologists who uncovered a near-perfect skeleton is: why would a corpse be buried in the middle of a busy Iron Age workshop?
  • A shadowy and polygamous cult, the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints has been accused of kidnapping one of it’s own Bishops.
  • The head of the lab who cloned Dolly the sheep has tragically been found hanged.
  • A new species of flightless bird is found in the Philippines, and looks likely to join it’s relatives on the endangered list right away.
  • Leading media, scientific and government organistaions have received e-mail warnings of a huge comet predicted by Nostradamus which is supposed to hit Greece today. Hello, is there anyone left alive to read this?
  • The pin-up pundit of the American right gives an interview to a flabbergasted British journalist. Sometimes it’s difficult for us foreigners to understand how many Americans think.
  • First it was the fridge mountain, then it was the tyre mountain. Now discarded computers have got environmentalists worried
  • Decades ago, some hunters built a Bigfoot trap in the woods of Southern Oregon. It’s still there, and has never caught a Bigfoot.
  • A curator of a former Chinese Imperial palace has been put to death for stealing relics he was supposed to protect.
  • The fossil of an ancient sea monster has been uncovered in Manitoba, Canada
  • The Thylacine or Tasmanian Wolf may not be as extinct as it is thought to be.
  • The Governor of New Mexico wants to reopen the investigation into the supposed and famous flying saucer crash at Roswell.
  • Chill out, man! Scientists have found the switch in the brain that appears to control anxiety. Thinks: I wonder if governments have plans for a new water additive?
  • Europe is warming up more quickly than the rest of the world, and cold winters could disappear almost entirely by 2080 as a result of global warming. Scots ask what the downside is…
  • A woman may enter the record books as the first Briton to be struck by a meteorite.
  • Austrain scientists have successfully teleported information 600 metres, a new record which brings quantum computing a bit nearer.
  • Current theories of gravitation fail to explain the behaviour of some objects, including the Pioneer spacecraft.
  • “There is a substantial chance that the result of the 2004 U.S. presidential election will be suspect…there will be sufficient uncertainty about the honesty of the vote count that much of the world and many Americans will have serious doubts.” New York Times columnist reprts.
  • Religious leaders in Austin, Texas were asked “How would Jesus vote?”
  • World miltary spending is set to increase above 1 Trillion dollars for the first time, mostly due to huge U.S. weapons and weapons development spending. This doesnt include the $5 billion per month war spending on Iraq by the U.S. That’s $17 dollars per U.S. man woman or child every month!
  • Australian farmers are bracing for an expected plague of up to 100 billion locusts.
  • A report on the recent Transhumanist Conference bemoans low attendance while still being upbeat about the movement’s progress.
  • Both Mars robotic explorers have found further evidence that water has flowed at some time on the red planet.
  • Christian fundementalist archeologists still believe that Qumran was a religious community, despite evidence to the contrary.
  • The African “miracle babies” reported by Greg come under further scrutiny as the evangelist behind the scam calls the Church of England a “tool of Satan” and the Archbishop of Monmouth “a devil worshipper”. Amusing though the thought is, I doubt it.
  • More details on the previously reported particle physicists who hope to learn the secrets of Mexico’s pyramids. Who needs a robot?
  • An ancient Chinese herbal cure for malaria is the basis for a new drug which may be the best weapon yet against the disease.
  • The confusing world(s) of American morality and censorship. Was the furore over Janet Jackson’s nipple diliberatley stirred up to distract from more weighty matters in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay?
  • Scientists may have demonstrated that homeopathy works, and James Randi may soon be $1 million out of pocket.

Quote of the Day:


The truth of a proposition has nothing to do with its credibility.
And vice versa.



Lazarus Long

  1. Wow, I am trying to decide, i
    Wow, I am trying to decide, is Cernig just anti christian, anti christian bush, or just anti religious in general?

    5 articles on religion, and the only one not negative is the only one not christian. Coincedence?
    What’s your agenda pinky?

    1. Actually it’s more like 8 neg
      Actually it’s more like 8 negative religious articles and I lost count at the anti american leftist crap.

      I have to say, this seems to be increasing more and more, these type of articles. Political propaganda of any type just angers me, I use to come to Daily Grail to escape it and read great articles on interesting stuff. Hopefully this is just a result of an upcoming election, and most of the people running Daily Grail are Ausies and Europeans… but man if this goes on much longer I will have to stop visiting. What a shame.
      Does anyone know if there are other sites like Dailygrail but less politically charged? I’m being serious…..

        1. Anon is a Name?
          3 posts about my “agenda”, all anonymous. Since I dont think anyone who would post on such a matter could lack the courage of their convictions, I assume none of the posters are members.I encourage you all to sign up and put a name to your protestations. Dont worry, I had already decided on my own part that this was the last week I would post news that would inflame opinions of a political or religious nature. I cannot speak for the other members of the team, however. Personally I thought the “How would Jesus” vote article cast Christians in a very positive light. Or was that one of the “pinko” posts?

          For now, if you dont like the look of a news item, dont click on it! Its a matter of personal volition.

          For the record, I am “anti” all forms of fundementalism, be they christian, moslem, hindu, be they left or right wing. You simply dont find pagan fundementalists, maybe you cant buy the good quality wicker men anymore.

          Now, does anyone have something to say about a post that they DID want to read?

          To sit in silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men

          1. Rico’s Rant –> 😉
            Er … I really shouldn’t comment, considering my anti-Zahi news brief the other day … but I’m kinda getting sick and tired about hearing how bad Bush is and how much America needs to change.

            WE KNOW ALREADY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WE KNOW BUSH IS AN IDIOT!!!!! WE KNOW THE CIA ARE EVIL!!!!! WE KNOW THE WAR IN IRAQ WAS WRONG!!!! SO SHUT THE BLOODY HELL UP!!!!!!

            Phew. Sorry, but I just had to get that off my chest. Talk about preaching to the converted.

            I was in a bookstore today and everywhere I looked, there was a book by an author who claims to know what’s wrong with America and how evil Bush is. Bloody hell, is this all they have to write about?! If only so many books were written about Mugabe, or Rwanda, or Bolivia, or Indonesia, or North Korea, imagine how informed the public would be!

            The war in Iraq is not about oil — it’s about publishing rights!!!

            And the actors, who weigh in with insightful political comments during the promotion of their latest films: if they’re so bloody politically astute, what the hell are they doing acting, shouldn’t they be in politics?!?!?! Urgh.

            There’s plenty of bad shit going on in this world that doesn’t involve America. From Africa to Asia to South America. I’m going to make it my mission, and I choose to accept it, to be global and not so America-centric.

            Funny story: last week, during a literary event I attended, people spent all night bitching about how Americanised Australia is becoming. How evil America is. How America is a dictator. How evil Bush is. Etc. After my xxth beer, I stood up and loudly proclaimed:

            “THERE’S ONLY ONE THING WORSE THAN AMERICA, AND THAT’S PEOPLE WHO CONSTANTLY BITCH ABOUT IT!!!”

            Needless to say, nobody shouted me beer from then on and I sat at the bar without any friends. I doubt I’ll be invited back to the next literary event. Ah well, pretentious bunch of tossers anyway, no great loss.

            Anyways, what was I saying? Oh yeah. Nice news brief, Cernig. 😉

          2. anti-american
            Well then, I’ll add my two cents in…. I’m an American..

            I feel ‘if’ this Bush/Anti American stuff is added in then be balanced, both sides should be announced and posted. However, it will add to flamed opinons.. But it looks to me like there are plenty Americans in here who will say put up or shut up.

            Americans give too much! We care! Then get slapped for it… what a two edged sword.

            Deb

          3. Your news post, of course
            Not particularly because of, or in spite of, the religious and political stuff, but I’m enjoying it all. TDG’s brain candy has a lot in common with Bertie Bott’s Every Flavor Beans.

            But speaking of anonymous posts…
            I’ve tried to sign up 4 times in the past month, and have never been sent a password. Is the sign-up mechanism broken?

          4. Leftist Garbage
            Wow, that was most poltically inspired bunch of links I’ve seen here in a long time. I’m starting to think TDG was better off when it was with Phenomenon. Hint: Keep your Eurotrash political opinions to yourself!

          5. Signup problems
            Hi,

            I’ve found that a few servers are rejecting the sign-up mail (with password) via an over-active spam filter or the like. If you need help, email me directly via userhelp@dailygrail.com and I’ll sort it out personally.

            Peace and Respect
            Greg
            ——————————————-
            You monkeys only think you’re running things

        2. Bush-whackers
          I’m not sure an anti-Bush stance is the same thing as an anti-American one. I know plenty of Americans who hate what he stands for, and the way he’s destroying their international credibility. Neither am I sure the Euro/Aussie stance on him is necessarily left-wing. I think it’s more an ingrained cynicism about politicians in general. Blair has been equally reviled in Britain since going into Iraq, and it may yet be that it’ll cost him his job in the next election.

          1. EXACTLY –>
            I’m not politically biased because I hate all politicians equally! 😉

            My story –>

            I was at an art exhibition yesterday and an artist had set up her displays. Boxes with viewing holes. When you looked through them, you saw a photograph of a person — Bush, Blair, Iraqi war victim with mangled limbs etc — but the eyes were cut out and replaced with a mirror, so you saw your own eyes in the face of this person peering back at you. Quite disconcerting. I asked the artist a hypothetical:

            If America had a benevolent government who didn’t go to war, what issues would she base her art on?

            She replied that she’d focus her art on the Australian Government’s detention of refugees.

            I asked her another hypothetical: If Australia did not detain all asylum seekers and gave them temporary visas and treated them like any other legal migrant, how would she focus her art?

            She replied that she’d focus her art on how American Multinational Corporations are raping the world.

            I asked another hypothetical: If American companies weren’t a global problem, what then for her art?

            She said that she’d focus on how American culture is destroying Australian culture and taking it over.

            I detected a pattern with her art focus. If she was serious about protesting against war-mongering, then after I asked her the first hypothetical she should have answered that she’d focus on Africa, or South America, or Indonesia, the wars and oppression happening there. Instead, her focus shifted from one conservative government to another. Her art wasn’t about peace and humanitarian awareness, but politics — specifically, pushing her own politics. And no, she doesn’t subscribe to any charities such as Medicines Sans Frontiere or Red Cross.

            Another example: before 9/11, I attended university (creative writing and literature). People in these classes hated American culture; film, literature, McDonalds, the people, everything. They continually bitched about how Australia was becoming Americanised. I’ve seen the same people recently this year and guess what? They all despise Bush and the war in Iraq, etc. They told me how they take part in protest rallies etc. They use the war in Iraq and Bush’s idiocy to justify their anti-American stance. Hell, I constantly get in trouble in one class for using double quotation marks “, because it’s how the americans do it. Good grief, what is wrong with these people? ” is the tradional symbol for dialogue and it’s a publishing house choice whether it’s used or not. The Brits still use “. It’s what was always used until nations such as France and Australia started getting self-conscious and wanting to assert their own identity. What a trivial anal way to do so!

            So I’ve detected a disturbing trend in the Australian arts culture, and that is predominantly anti-American, rather than it just being about politics. Which is sad because I have American friends who didn’t vote for Bush, who don’t eat McDonalds, who don’t watch sitcoms, who don’t watch the latest Hollywood action blockbuster, who don’t like aggression and war.

            I’d like to stress that not all Australians hate Americans. Far from it. It’s just the very loud, opinionated arts scene who think that because they paint and write and act, they’re somehow bestowed with special gifts that make their views correct and superior. And they’re racist towards Americans. If they said the same things they’re saying now, but change American to Asian — wow, imagine how racist they’d sound! “Australia is becoming Asianised” etc. Yet they’re artists, actors, and therefore intellectually and morally superior so they must be correct.

            I’m wary of Australia’s left. I think a lot of their anti-Bush opinions stems from racism towards America in general. Which leaves me in a tight spot in between — I don’t like Bush, but I don’t like the Left either, and I’m sick of being in the middle having the Left and the Right shout over the top of me.

            As for Australia becoming Americanised. Well, when I was a kid 20 years ago, all aussies did was bitch about how British we were, the stupid poms thinking they owned us etc. All that was on tv was British sitcoms and news. Through the 1980s, there was a massive shift from British media to American media. And, you guessed it!, the same people no longer bitch about the poms, but now bitch about the yanks.

            You can’t please anyone, it seems. Australian. American. Who cares what accent you have, why can’t we all just be HUMAN?

            Ok, that’s it for me. I’m ducking my head out of this debate for a while, I’ve had my fill of politics and stupid people. I need to save my energy for more positive endeavours (like getting a job, or writing my fiction and getting published!).

            Peace and Respect,

            Rico

            “We’re one, but were not the same, we get to carry each other …” — U2, “one”

          2. Rico,
            Just wanted to let you

            Rico,
            Just wanted to let you know, what you wrote is really interesting. Thank you for posting it.

            I think you touched on some very important points. In the past 30 years I think racism against America has sky rocketed. We can discuss possible reasons for this all day but it doesn’t make it right. More and more people, especially foreigners have just begun to hate anything American because their hate of something small has grown to a whole country. And that is really sad.
            It’s really funny that it’s usually people that think of themselves as far more open minded than most, that fall into this category. When really they are no better than any other racists of any type.

            I enjoyed your post,
            Thrustbucket

        3. As a libertarian I consider l
          As a libertarian I consider left wing to be big government and right wing to be small government. It seems to me you are confusing left and right with democrat and republican. It wasn’t always so. The old style republican was very much into small government, even the old style democrat was into small government. Now they are both into big government.

          America is a great country. Without a doubt. But in the past 50 and more years its politicians have betrayed its creation with the general increase in government and the reduction of individual liberty. It is becoming more and more European election by election. It is a great shame.

          I urge you to identify American with Libertarian. Other wise what are you really voting for?

        1. Choices
          The “unusual news” is still here. If you don’t like a link, don’t click on it, there are plenty of other choices for you. Newspapers and television are the same — if I don’t like the political angle of an article or story, I just ignore it and look for the crosswords or an episode of The Simpsons. I don’t like the news on tv, or in the paper, but that doesn’t mean I stop watching tv or reading papers because there are still plenty of other choices for me in these media.

          “Read like a butterfly, write like a bee.” – Philip Pullman

    2. Fnark
      Same as it is every night, Brain…to take over the world. Ummm…hang on, arent YOU meant to say that line, Brain? Fnark!

      To sit in silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men

      1. Fnark
        “To sit in silence when we should protest makes cowards out of men”

        I didn’t realize TDG was your personal bully pulpit for your political “protests”. Gee, how can I get this job? I’ve got plenty of my own political “protests” I’d like to impose on TDG readers.

  2. Archaeologists can be so unimaginative…
    >>Puzzled archaeologists wonder why would a corpse be buried in the middle of a busy Iron Age workshop?

    Maybe for the same reason some that, in the current age, people’s ashes go up with the shuttle or get scattered in the ocean, or for the same reason some are buried in their backyards — because that’s where he told them he wanted to be buried.

    Sheesh — like the people in the iron age didn’t know when they were nearing the end of their lives because they were old or sick, didn’t talk to each other, weren’t sentimental about where they’d worked their whole lives???

    On the other hand, sometimes archaeologists are too imaginative. We’ll probably read an update in a few months saying it’s likely he was buried there due to a superstition that it would help the other workers create better iron.

  3. It is readily apparent. Not that one is, But that whereby Is, is
    You will know them by their fruits. You do not read my posts do you Cerna. Just as well, One can go too deeply into metaphysics.

    Oscar.

  4. I liked the political news, c
    I liked the political news, cause it gave me fuel for “did you hear how fucked up the americans are” water cooler discussions. But yeah, it was a little too much, and I don’t think TDG is about politics. But since Cernig has said he decided not post stuff like this anymore, well, no problem then.

  5. Cernig,
    I am the original An

    Cernig,
    I am the original Anonymous poster. I’m sorry that I was negative, there was actually a lot of good stories in your update besides the eurotrash, I did enjoy the other stuff.

    I thought a lot all night about why Europeans and Ausies are on such a different page than Americans in general. I actually spent some time in Europe and have a lot of European friends (my fiancee is from Eastern Europe) It really amazes me how bad the media is over there. I pick up any newspaper and it shocks me to see how popular it is to talk about what a cowboy bush is, and how screwed up America is. Most of the media I see about America over there is not news, it’s oppinion. Conversly, most Europeans I met over there are SERIOUSLY misinformed and most of them just think it’s cool to hate anything conservative in the first place, so they jump on the bandwagon. It could be argued forever that if American policy and oppinion more closely mirrored Europe’s, then Europe itself would not be as prosperous, like it or not, they depend heavily on American economy which is where it is after 200 years because of a different more ‘extremeist’ view.

    The only thing I can come up with for the large difference is that the original reason why America was created. It’s a fact that America was created by fundamentalists. It was created by Europeans that were ashamed or sick of what was going on in their own countries and the changes in thinking that were on their way to what they are now. People enjoyed their beliefs, and felt that universal truths that dealt with spirituality should be embraced, not abandoned, and created a Country out of those truths they believed in.
    That’s the only reason I can come up with that America is so different.

    Also, you don’t have to agree with fundamentalist teachings, but you also can’t ignore the vast amount of good things fundamentalist organizations do in the world TODAY (I’m not talking about 800 years ago) today I think it is obvious that they do more good than evil in the world, and I just wish your euro news agencies and mainstream media would aknowledge that. Lets cover stores about how a church fixed huricane victims houses, and sent millions in aid to famine in africa, instead of how some church leader molested a kid. Don’t worry about their teachings, you don’t have to convert. Worry about their actions. And observe them carefully.

    1. Hey there Anonymous…. that
      Hey there Anonymous…. that is an interesting point of view…. I thought that Europe was promoting Anti-American propaganda for sure… Interesting your note on this.

      Thanks for the comment.

      Deb

    2. try a little exercise
      Dear anonymous,

      Try a little exercise, it will only take a moment.
      Imagine for instance that what you read in European papers is actually the truth and what your government is telling you is lies.

      I know it’s hard to do, no one likes to think that someone of their own is stabbing them in the back.

      Since Bush 2 came to power there has hardly been any decent reporting from within America.
      It is a known fact within the television and the written media that those journalists invited to the Whitehouse for briefing are asked to present a list of questions they wish to ask.
      If the questions are not approved they are wiped, and God help those who deviate from the party line by asking questions of their own.
      They are refused attendance at any more briefings.No more Whitehouse invites.

      This is why Moore’s Fahrenheit 911 won the Palm D’Or, because he showed so much that the US media is not allowed to show.He showed all the stuff that had the media any guts, they would have put before the people long before this.
      The European media actually shows this true perspective and that is why you don’t like them.

      A similar thing happens in Australia.If you listen to the early morning ABC news you will hear all the latest news items from around the world.By midday however the ones that our government doesn’t like have been deleted.
      You wait and wait to hear them again but they are gone with the wind, never to be heard again.

      Yes you are right about fundamentalism being responsible for the way America is today, more’s the pity.

      When you have people like Bush backing the Rev Moon and the Moonies and the whole of Congress attending the crowning of Moon as some sort of prophet,you sure have big problems.

      No, I don’t imagine that Kerry will be much better, I agree with Rico that they are all slugs slurping off the labour and good intentions of the general public.
      But Bush has to go, and Kerry could at least take up some space until American politics sorts itself out.

      shadows

      1. fruit for thought
        Shadows,

        I never claimed to believe the party line, or the American media either. There is no source of news that I trust at all actually. That’s why I cited the only source of my information being those that have just returned from Iraq.
        I have some news for you that you might want to take a moment and ponder. Those media organizations in Europe, and America, and Australia are FUNDAMENTALISTS in every way that any religion is. They are just as dangerous as any other fundementalists. From now on when somone refers to fundamentlaism, I will just assume they are reffering to media.
        Media and news agencies today are ALL just as dangerous as any religion ever was in the past. They all have agendas, and they are all run by those with impure intentions. They are causing wars, they are causing hate, they are causing ignorance…. Hm, pretty much guilty for everything some of you kids like to blame religion for.
        So the fact that you believe European news actually tells the truth, along with Michael wacko Moore is incredibly alarming, not to mention scary if your not alone. I’m not sure whats more dangerous, people being blindly led by crazy religious notions or people believing the media.

        The moment you turn on your news chanel and choose to believe anything you hear as fact, you have already sold the truth to the fundamentlists.

        Thrustbucket (Greg, good point, I will sign myself as thus from now on)

        1. fundamentalists
          Dear Thrustbucket,

          It’s a long time since I was a kid,but
          you are right in your reference to the media, most of them have their own agenda.

          As to Michael Moore,a lot of what he showed in Fahrenheit 911 was directly filmed by news’ crews but not shown on TV.

          Why?

          The reason we “kids” like to blame religion for wars, hate and ignorance is because religion is to blame for wars, hate and ignorance.

          Try giving me an instance over the past 2000 years when this was not the case.

          Anyway we are all brothers under the skin and it does us no good to rile each other when we would be better off making peace.

          Peace,bro.

          shadows

          1. Shadows,
            I realize religion

            Shadows,
            I realize religion has been the cause of wars in the past, that’s why my post excluded hundreds of years ago. In the past 50 years, I think it’s hard to prove that the major wars (Vietnam, South Korea, even Iraq) are because of religion. (In some cases, conflict is started by those tryinng to totally abolish religion) Media and media propaganda machines are mostly responsible for driving the new age of war. Who is behind the actual media propaganda is debatable. I won’t rule out religious organizations being behind some of them, but if they are, it’s a very small percentage. Anyhow, please don’t try to feed me a line that somehow this war in Iraq is a modern day retaliation by the religious christian right, that somehow Bush represents, for some 1000 year old incidents, because that’s horse shit I won’t buy, and neither will most half intelegent people.

            If you want to point fingers at religion and say they caused wars, please get your facts straight, because there are really only 2 major churches, not religions, that have actively waged and incited war in the past 1000 years. So don’t go spreading disdain for religion because there are a few bad apples. That’s no better than blaming the religion of Islam for terrorism.

            Religion is just a way of thinking. Science is classifiable as a religion as well, and it can be argued that Science has caused wars as well.

            I get so tired of the high and mighty attitude, that somehow religion is for stupid sheep and people that can raise above it are enlightened. I’m not saying you necessarally are guilty of this, but it reminds me of it. I don’t consider myself religious, but I am very spiritual. At the same time, I feel like much religious practice today is the only glue holding the world from sliping into a void of sociatal decay. I know you would probably argue the opposite, but touche then.

            Thrustbucket

          2. religion
            Thrustbucket, I decided 60 years ago that I would never argue religion with anyone.
            Because at the back of every argument is religion.
            If you want to know what I think go to Bill’s Friday news and click on the post about religion.

            As to modern wars not being about religion,you have obviously not been reading the news.
            Just google a few of these countries names and see what you come up with……..
            Israel and Palestine,
            India and Pakistan,
            Bosnia,
            Sudan,
            Thailand,
            Iraq….between Muslim sects,
            Indonesia,
            Germany and the Jews.
            Just off the top of my head, I am sure you could find lots more.

            Thrustbucket, I want you to know that I am genuinly happy for you that you have the comfort of your religion.
            But I see religion as a controlling force,ordering people’s lives and how they live them.
            I have a son who is a Christian and he has condemned all homosexuals to an eternity in hell.
            I am sorry for all those gay people who suffer so much at the hands of religion.
            Personally I have always wished I had a gay son, they seem to be such sensitive, thoughtful and creative people.
            And he would certainly choose curtains for me.

            Peace,bro

            shadows

      2. Kerry won’t be any better so
        Kerry won’t be any better so what does it mean for American politics to sort itself out? Politics is a subject matter and tends not to have the pro-active nature of living beings. Only people can sort politics out, but people are political so the solution for most is not to vote – to stay out of it and live with the results, or to get involved and live with the results. But nothing so far has worked. Surely the scientific attitude is to try something untried.

        Jameske

        1. just a line
          Jameske, saying that American politics needs to sort itself out is just a way of talking, it’s a platitude because I don’t know the answer, so I was filling in with something.
          I’d be a better man than you Gunga Din if I did know.

          My opinion is that I think every American that can move his legs and even those who cannot, should appear at the polls on polling day and put in their vote.
          It would shock the jocks off the politicians for a start.

          “Hey…..the people are talking…….looks like they might get what THEY want for a change.”

          The only real absolute is truth.

          The only real democracy is what the people vote for, and if the people don’t vote then they are asking for trouble.

          Here we have no choice, if we don’t vote we get fined.And this annoys me when you look at the list of idiots from which we have to choose.

          Did you see on TV the other day the governor of some state or whatever, I can’t remember, but he was a politician, and he was saying……”Yes I am a GAY American, I had sex with a man”.
          It was some of the most vomitous stuff I have ever seen, apart from the Clinton episode with Lewinsky. How on earth can a country function when a person is obliged to aver in front of TV cameras that he has had sex with another man as if it was directly controlling his ability to do his job.

          The reason our countries are going to hell in a handbasket is because we worry over this sort of personal private stuff as if it were really our business.
          It ain’t.

          In the early days of America when people were first given the right to vote I’ll bet they all turned up at the voting booth first thing on polling day.It MATTERED to them.THEY wanted to determine how the country was going to be run and see for themselves who was trying to take the job.

          Some hundreds of years down the track and every citizen has TV and the God-given right to watch Jerry Springer,they think it doesn’t matter any more.
          In reality it matters more now than it has ever done before.

          Get Bush out first and see where it goes from there. But “One man one vote”….. is something that people have died for in some countries and the Americans, who once had the greatest democracy ever seen just take it for granted.

          shadows

      3. vote democrat — but just for this election 😉
        Shadow,

        As Noam Chomsky has been promoting this year, “hold your nose and vote for a Democrat”! I like that slogan.

        As for the news — news everywhere is becoming “opinion”, no longer is it objective reporting of the bare facts. This is true of both Left-Wing media as well as the Right. Very few media stick to the middle roads and refuse to lean towards left or right opinion. I can only think of Jim Lehrer of the USA’s PBS — this man is balanced and objective, a true journalist, he’s a pin-up poster boy for good journalism! Salman Rushdie has written some excellent essays that have been balanced with reason and sense. Yet as far as the popular media goes — I don’t trust them. The Left and Right media, I trust even less. It’s a fact — more and more news these days is opinion rather than factual reporting.

        Everyone has an opinion. With opinion, it’s easy to take sides and blame others. With the truth and facts, the world is a lot murkier and enemies & friends are harder to define, but no less real — finding someone to blame becomes a lot harder.

        Rico

        “We’re One, but we’re not the same” — U2, One

        1. Chomsky
          Yeah Rico, that’s about right what Chomsky said, and it’s pitiful.

          It’s very hard these days to know what to think about the media.
          Take Christopher Hitchens for instance.
          PLEASE take him.

          He was the left’s pin-up boy for so long I can’t remember. I used to print out his articles for people in my club to read.

          And then, just after the war in Iraq began, Hitchins went over to the other side.

          Now can someone please tell me how you can write with such passion about a cause for more than 20 years and then suddenly give it up?

          Now Hitchins writes with equal passion about what he denigrated for so long.

          Another one I could mention is Keith Windschuttle, but I won’t get started on him, he makes me want to barf.

          Politics in Australia today is filthy.I don’t care what party they are or what they promise. I have been around long enough to find that they will all lie and cheat for their own causes.
          I haven’t a clue whom to vote for, maybe Labor, just to get rid of Howard, but I’ll hold my nose while I do it.

          shadows

    3. If by 200 years you mean to t
      If by 200 years you mean to the present day then try factoring out the pre-1948 American economy with the post 1948 economy. Different conclusions are the result where prosperity is concerned.

  6. land of the save and home of the greedy
    Hi,

    Now then you socalled christians have you ever read that sissy new testament at all ? An eye for an eye is the jewish motto , anyway the rest of the world is getting anxious that you americans are such fools and ignorants that you reelect the man that steals from the poor to give to the rich , concocts reasons to go to war to kill off the most secular and liberal but brutal regime in the midddle east. A country so ‘rich’, it burns 500 billion dollars pro year on weapon systems, meanwhile its literacy rate has dropped to 83 %. This administration that has money printed like there’s no tomorrow-do they know more ?-
    You lot, and future generations are being robbed blind, who cares-must be those nutty liberals-

    One hallelujah, one anti homosexual rant, one more cry for the war on natural drugs, in a country that is drugged beyond belief by the pharmaceutical molochs and “he’s our man !”. Bush who wants mandatory testing on ‘wrong thinking’, and at the same time poisons its people with fluoride and aspertam- talk about wmd-. But he ! Thats allright, we have he flag and there’s nothing more important.

    Oh, and deb a country that cares about the world ? Like a leech cares about its host i’d say.

    Ignorant fools, and i wouldn’t care that much if not for the fact that a reelected bush adm. will almost certainly start ww III, just to get out of the fiscal and economic mess they’re creating. And so you bush lovers it is all on YOUR head if that happens.

    Land of the free, what a sad joke.

    PS i havent even started on the 9/11 and antrax cover ups by this administration, oh well the bushes are very familiar with the nazi propaganda methods; if you want to tell lies make ‘m as big as possible (beyond belief).

    1. Oh my hell…

      The above po
      Oh my hell…

      The above post speaks for itself to prove my points. This type of extremist thinking based on conspiracy filled minds that seem only interested in legalizing anything that their narrow view can’t see harming anything directly.
      The paranoid nutcases and their rhetoric and propaganda are far more dangerous than either Presidential canidate.

      Speaking of the election. I am undecided. I am not a Bush fan. But I am certainly not going to vote for Kerry just to get rid of him. I have yet to hear a solid argument to why Kerry is good or what he stands for. It seems to me, the sad truth is, you are not voting for men anymore, you are voting for a political parties agenda. And both Democrats and Republicans will lead us to hell, its just a matter of which road you want to take.

      1. hell is round the corner..
        So anon,

        How save to leave your name off, how encouraging you say that you’re undecided, specially when you apply the same tactics as the republicans do; don’t waste energy on facts, just go after the messenger not the message.

        As for twin; playing deaf, dum and blind certainly makes you a good american in the eyes of bush & co.

        I’m very aware here that those visting this site are in general the better off , middle class, educated/informed and the more globalistic aware. That said, it so hard to understand all this support for this cynical administration . In my, my, my god we trust indeed.

      2. Signing off
        Hi Anon,

        I allow anonymous postings on the site as I know some people have privacy issues with membership etc. However, in return I would appreciate it if anonymous posters could at least sign off their post with an initial, sig line or something that helps denote their difference to other anonymous posters. Otherwise those involved in conversation don’t know whether they are continuing a discussion with the same individual, or engaging multiple posters.

        Peace and Respect
        Greg
        ——————————————-
        You monkeys only think you’re running things

    2. “Oh, and deb a country that c
      “Oh, and deb a country that cares about the world ? Like a leech cares about its host i’d say. ”

      Well, as you know I do disagree with you… America is not a leech on a host.. America does have it’s problems but other countries have the same or wrose…

      I do agree that it must be a fad in some countries to hate America.

      Deb

      1. If you need someone to blame ..
        … throw a rock in the air and you’ll hit someone guilty.

        America is a country many people just love to hate. I don’t know why, they just do. I suffer the same thing here in Melbourne Australia, I barrack (cheer) for an AFL team called Collingwood; people just love to hate Collingwood for no reason whatsoever.

        There are countries just as guilty, if not moreso, than America, yet they escape criticism. North Korea, France, Russia, China, Italy, Germany, Zimbabwe, Sudan, Indonesia, Bolivia, Columbia, Australia, UK … geez, I could list almost every nation on this planet. They all have their demons. America is no worse nor better than any of them.

        Yet too many critics are obsessed with America. Their sole focus is America. America is the scapegoat, the one to blame — if we get America and pull them down, then the world will be a better place. Bullshit. Whilst the critics shine the spotlight on America, other countries get away with murder (literally in some cases). America is an easy target.It stinks of hypocrisy for people to put the blame solely America.

        America is not the cause of the world’s ills, it’s only a cause. Focusing on one cause and ignoring the others perpetuates the problem and allows it to fester and inflame and infect.

        Our world needs balanced, objective critics, not opinionated, biased ones standing on their soap-boxes as self-appointed saviours of humanity.

        Don’t worry Deb, not all critics of America hate Americans.

        1. Couldn’t resist…
          Rico wrote:

          “people just love to hate Collingwood for no reason whatsoever. ”

          I think the reason has a name, surname being McGuire.
          😉

          Peace and Respect
          Greg
          ——————————————-
          You monkeys only think you’re running things

          1. McGuire
            Right on Greg.

            If McGuire would extract himself from Kerry Packer’s back passage he might get some respect.

            Sorry Rico.

            shadows

  7. Dailygrail hijacked by the DU
    You start showing your idiotarian and political views on sites where people don’t care and don’t want to know you start to loose patrons to your site. What is all this leftist Anti-Bush Sh*it? And this…. “The confusing world(s) of American morality and censorship. Was the furore over Janet Jackson’s nipple diliberatley stirred up to distract from more weighty matters in Iraq and Guantanamo Bay?” So your saying the government told Janet to show her nipple to distract more weighty matters? WTF? Also there is NO “American” morality, only morality. Its the like the truth… its not ‘your’ truth or ‘my’ truth, only THE truth.

  8. Today’s post
    I enjoyed it and the the discussion it inspired. I haven’t made a comment since the old TDG on the Hitler /religeos thing. My old password won’t work. I was turkmon. Until I get a new password I’ll be Bob in redrock WI (more to come)

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