Darkest Before Dawn

A terrible tragedy at the night premiere of Dark Knight Rises, in a cinema in Aurora, Colorado.

Aurora is the Spanish word for Dawn.

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I hope Harvey & Florence are right, and that the dawn is coming...

PS: Loren Coleman's blog post at Twilight Language is required reading right now.

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The killer is sick! The whole insipid incident is sick! Sick! Sick! Sick!

Unfortunately, I think that it has its roots in the corrupt oppressive U.S. Police State where TSA agents grope small children and the depression that the U.S. is in now. {The Federal Reserve is the only thing that is keeping the U.S. Stock Market from crashing!}

What do you think?

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"Some men just want to watch the world burn"

We should pray --to the Universe, God, Mother Gaia, whatever rocks our metaphysical boat-- for the families of the victims.

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My heart goes out to those families!

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That *IS* praying.

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The more I read about this, the more horrible and tragic it gets. One of the people killed, Jessica Ghawi, had narrowly escaped the Eaton Centre shooting in Canada last month.

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And on that occasion she seemed to have had a warning premonition.

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nature is fickle

even when you are used to it, like I'm guessing these fishing villagers are...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla...

58 dead...

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So you're of the school of thought that nothing exists outside Nature, not even human behavior, then?

But what about free will and accountability? What's your take in those, Inanna?

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red pill junkie wrote:

So you're of the school of thought that nothing exists outside Nature, not even human behavior, then?

But what about free will and accountability? What's your take in those, Inanna?

What to do when nature does these things?

Arrest them bears and give them a fair and speedy trial...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j8AHWIfxG...

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Those are all natural disasters, and yet they end up in tragedy always due to some human factor —in that case, deciding to live in such a slide-prone area.

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red pill junkie wrote:

Those are all natural disasters, and yet they end up in tragedy always due to some human factor —in that case, deciding to live in such a slide-prone area.

they aren't just disasters -- some necessary stresses were released, bacteria get to feed, etc etc etc

(and the slide in that area were due to multiple factors that, by themselves, wouldn't amount to anything, but together...WHAMMO!)

And as long as reality (or even us) decides to live in a reality-prone area

We will run the the risk of

being nuked by an asteroid

dying of a heart attack

spontaneously transforming via Quantum Tunneling into a hot fart

being baked by a supernova

having peace break out in Mexico

etc etc etc

(and as for the free will question, I really like the Compatibilist position -- there is no free will, but we still have responsibility for our actions...what we do is what we do and what we don't do is what we don't do...)

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Your comments have such a weird skewed way to grant the reader brief flashes of clarity. Kudos to you, sir :)

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red pill junkie wrote:

Your comments have such a weird skewed way to grant the reader brief flashes of clarity. Kudos to you, sir :)

You're welcome and thank you for providing the riffing partner :3

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I am not for censoring the makers of these psychotically violent video games and movies, but there is always a small part of the population who are going to be very suggestible and mentally ill. It stands to reason that this imagery will tip some of them over the edge. I don't know how the makers of these games and movies sleep at night. I am not entirely innocent of this myself as I am a fan of the new genre of ghost busting shows which also use very violent production values to keep the attention of the modern crop of ADD viewers. I wish they too would just make these shows more like calm documentaries rather than Halloween fests.

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I personally don't hold Nolan accountable for the tragedy. Those are always the easy scape-goats; same thing happened after Columbine, when everybody started blaming Marylin Manson.

So here's a thought, America: GET RID OF YOUR GUNS.

Yes, I know I know... a pointless debate because a rifle is the real American symbol, and not a bird with some olive branch in one paw, and a bunch of arrows in the other.

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That to me is sort of the "get rid of drugs" debate. There will always be a way to get a gun on the black market or a hand grenade, or whatever, and anyone can make a bomb with off the shelf materials. We can however turn down the volume on violence. There is no black market for violence. We can also reinvest in public psychological services which ever since Reagan have been torn to pieces. After the shooter on our local campus here in Arkansas shocked the heck out of everyone the University psychological services have started to pay much more attention to students who appear to be in distress.

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There is no black market for violence

I beg to differ.

 

There was even news in Mexico that the drug cartels were fond of kidnapping illegal Central/South-American immigrant crossing the country toward the US. They would force some of them to fight to the death a-la Spartacus, so they could make bets like a proper Roman.

 

 

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Oh c'mon man. A dog fight is nothing compared to a violent video game or filmic bloodfest.

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I fear whether one draws the line is rather arbitrary.

I was reading many comments in a Boing Boing post related to this documentary:

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Many fans of MMA were quick to defend this 'sport' saying it was less violent and risky that professional boxing. All I could see was 2 human beings inside a cage breaking each other's face. Yet the fans keep assuring me it's all theatrical. One man's theater is another man's brutality it seems.

Nevertheless I find bull fights, dog fights, cock fights and even cockroach fights offensive and savage.

And yet some people would call me a hypocrite, because I do happen to like some type of 'violent' videogames. Which is weird, because I for example am not comfortable with having my younger nephew playing those games, and yet his mother is perfectly fine with it. Oh, but if I were to tell her the game might contain one scantily dressed voluptuous female character, she might draw the line THERE ;)

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America, where you can't buy a packet of Sudafed without being charged with drug dealing, yet no one blinks an eye when you buy an automatic assault rifle and 6000 rounds of ammunition. In an election year, I doubt Obama or Romney will grow a pair and dare defy the 4-million-member strong National Rifle Association and their supporters.

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It's very confusing reading all the comments defending this attitude:

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Rick MG wrote:

America, where you can't buy a packet of Sudafed without being charged with drug dealing, yet no one blinks an eye when you buy an automatic assault rifle and 6000 rounds of ammunition. In an election year, I doubt Obama or Romney will grow a pair and dare defy the 4-million-member strong National Rifle Association and their supporters.

*chuckle*

I'm sure the to the Right of Ghenghis Khan or the UFO cultist will have other things on their plate...

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And I will confess that I like to watch MMA cage fighting sometimes. It is not "theatrical" either. That is real blood and real teeth flying.
We are violent, but the kind of violence that celebrates casual killing and turns it into a video game of the mind obviously pushes a few people over the edge. Perhaps we just need to get much better at finding those people and helping them. The deranged student who shot and killed an acquaintance of mine at the Univ. of Arkansas some years back was showing clear signs of derangement, but no one wanted to go very deep with him to find out what was going on. There is now much better vigilance at the University.

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You can either waste all your resources into making sure no one goes into a public area with a gun, or you can make it harder for all those deranged people to get a gun in the 1st place.

To me is a no-brainer.

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The problem is the 2nd Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution which gives an unqualified right to bear arms. Minors can't buy guns in most states; but, minors can be given weapons by adults! The 2nd Ammendment should be Ammended.

It's another reason that I'm glad that I'm out of the U.S.. It is very difficult to get a gun in Japan and most Japanese don't like guns! Japanese society is a very orderly society.

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How do the Yakuza get their weapons, then?

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For example, the Yakusa run the black market in Japan and the Yakusa wants to make much money! So, they act nice instead of tough unless some one tries to cheat them or doesn't make regular loan payments. For example, if you borrow JPY1,000 from the Yakusa, you repay JPY2,500, maybe JPY3,000. But, the Yakusa are always happy to let you refinance!:)

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And shoot you if you get too far in arrears. The Y are some of the scariest mafiosi out there.

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I can understand that the Yakuza try to run a business, albeit an illegal one; and so they will try to follow some rules regarding their 'customers', and they would strive to keep things quiet.

But what about going to war with other faction to reclaim a territory? I feel they would still need guns, although I could understand if they are not as 'trigger-happy' as the Mexican cartels.

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They will never get their money back! They will let you refinance atleast once, beat you up, take some of your possessions as collateral, force you to live in a dump so that you have enough disposable income with which to pay them, and/or force you to do favors for them! They want their money!

There are comparatively few Yakusa shootings and most Yakusa shooting occure during turf wars!

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cnnek:

"The problem is the 2nd Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution which gives an unqualified right to bear arms."

but...what if the redcoats came back?

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cnnek wrote:

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The problem is the 2nd Ammendment to the U.S. Constitution which gives an unqualified right to bear arms. Minors can't buy guns in most states; but, minors can be given weapons by adults! The 2nd Ammendment should be Ammended.

It's another reason that I'm glad that I'm out of the U.S.. It is very difficult to get a gun in Japan and most Japanese don't like guns! Japanese society is a very orderly society.

Trying to argue with an American aboot the 2nd Amendment is like trying to talk with you aboot Genetic Modification or Israel/Palestine :3

I've learned a long time ago that the 2nd Amendment isn't 'just' aboot what is written, but there it is involved in identity, politics, economics, religion and philosophy...so the best thing is just for me to grin and talk aboot something else that isn't so bloody complex

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The Department of Homeland Security will have to be brought to bay too you know. Given the steady mission creep of very obvious police state tendencies in this republic or what is left of it we might first consider disarming the police state who recently put in an order for 750 million 40 caliber rounds. These are the kinds of rounds that can kill you by hitting you in the foot. They are a "kill first and ask questions later" sort of ammunition.
It doesn't exactly inspire confidence either that both the Constitution and the Bill of Rights have already been assaulted and neutered. Forget the Second Amendment. In light of what has happened recently to civil rights in this now faux democracy we have much bigger fish to fry. Time is short and the water rises.