Should George Bush Be Allowed To Cross The Political Rubicon?
Posted by kennc at 02:34, 19 Sep 2005http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0919/po1so...
President Bush is asking congress to lift the ban on using regular U.S. military troops inside the United States. When Gaius Julius Caesar crossed the Rubicon River with his army, he destroyed the Roman Republic. Should congress lift the ban on using U.S. military troops inside the United States and, in doing so, allow President Bush to cross the Political Rubicon? Should congress risk the destruction of the United States Republic by allowing President Bush to cross the Political Rubicon?
What do you think?
kennc
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2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
I do not believe that President Bush should be allowed to use regular U.S. military troops domestically! No U.S. President should be allowed to cross the Political Rubicon!
What do you think?
kennc
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1 May 2004
42 weeks 3 days
But he is no Caesar. There is not a shread of humanity about this man and every moment he continues to be the 'Leader' of this once great country is one moment to long. The void in opposiion leadership is disquiting. And the fact that we have the means to be even more destructive frightens the sh*t out of me. My other fear is that as a country we will run to anouther flawed leader to save us from this one. Civil unrest will only give those in power the excuse they need. We need to act as Gandi would.
http://www.warresisters.org/wtr_menu.htm
5 May 2004
22 weeks 4 days
It's a long, sad saga from "Friends, Romans, Countrymen..." to "Yup, shucks, and Bring 'em On".
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
udanax
I could see this coming when I left the United States 20 years ago. I hope that things don't get worse; but, I'm not optimistic about that! You are right! It is a long sad saga!
kennc
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
bladerunner
He has generals who he can handle the military part of things. And just for the record, Caesar was good; but, he wasn't as good as he claimed to be. He barely escaped defeat on more than a few occasions in Gaul and during his foray into Britain. This, however, isn't the point. Militaries tend to have a mind of their own and over time they might just decide that they don't like incompetent civilians running things! Or, they might decide that they should be running things; because, they have the power and there will be nothing that can stop them! Or worst of all, they might decide that the Christian Right Wing should either appear to run things or actually run things!
What do you think?
kennc
1 May 2004
4 years 26 weeks
I'm not surprised really, however, as you have already alluded to, history has shown that Generals have a nasty habit of overthrowing (or erasing) those who gave them their power.
I also read recently that something like 60% of Americans would like their religious leaders to have more power than currently. This does not bode well!
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
omega
I read about the desire of U.S. Citizens to give their religious leaders more power also. It is a very dangerous situation! This is especially true since strong militaries tend to do what they want!
kennc
1 May 2004
2 weeks 3 days
It's actually 40% who want religious leaders to have more power - bad enough, but at least it's not a majority.
Kat
22 February 2005
4 years 10 weeks
Kennc......I don't care!!!!!! I am starting to get sick of the amount of American egotismic isolationism starting to dominate TDG.
The world does NOT revolve around BUSH or America! Where were the posts when the typhoons hit China and the deathes there!!!
America does NOT controll the world economy.....OPEC does.....
Peoples lives around the world are effected by economical changes.
America controlls only the power to KILL. This is the only threat BUSH has on the rest of the world!
It is like having a pistol held at your head.....I know, it has happened to me.
Who ever rules America can only make a difference in how much destruction they can cause.
As far as the lives in the rest of the world are concerned.......well that is up to the powers controlling the economy. Patriots and ex-patriots of the red white and blue need to understand that the world is a big place and they are but a part of the big game......
Let us all remember that we are a world of people not a unbalanced quarter.
DISCLAIMER:the opinions and veiws in this post are mine only and do not nesessarily reflect those of others.
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
thefloppy2
I agree! But, when we are talking about a military that is seriously considering the stratigic use of nuclear weapons, no one is safe!
In terms of damage caused deaths from typhoons in China and Japan, as well as, starving people in Asia and Africa, I'm very concerned also! But, when I saw that article in the CS MONITOR, my system got a good shock; because, those people want to rule the world and they don't really care about who they kill. If it was just the United States, I would have ignored it. It isn't the U.S. that I'm concerned about. It is the world and a potential World War III. The unbalanced quarter could kill everyone and they have the weapons to do it! Furthermore, the United States does control OPEC and they have controlled it for years! Have you ever wondered about the relatively cheap oil prices in the U.S.?
So, I'm sorry! Let's get on to other more relevant topics!
kennc
22 February 2005
4 years 10 weeks
Kennc....America does not control OPEC. If it did it would not be in Iraq......Think man......
DISCLAIMER:the opinions and veiws in this post are mine only and do not nesessarily reflect those of others.
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
thefloppy2
It wants to control the Middle East without having to depend on Israel. It wants a strong military presence there. The oil is nice; but, it isn't the main reason. The U.S. can get the oil anyhow! There are two reasons for this. Firstly, it is a very strategic location. Secondly, the battle of Armagedon, the final battle, is supposed to start in the middle east.
The United States wants to rule the world. They have a presence in Eastern Asia, Oceana, and Europe. They need a presence in the Middle East and from there more of a presence in Western Asia and Africa!
Today they are dumping on Israel, tomorrow Japan, and then who knows!
What do you think?
kennc
1 May 2004
4 years 26 weeks
How exactly?
13 May 2004
10 weeks 6 days
Er, yes how exactly is the US dumping on Israel? If anything, I'd say they were kissing Israeli butt! (Eeeyoooo)
yer ol' pal,
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2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
Omega
Israel has made and is going to make territorial concessions in the middle east due to U.S. pressure, not desire. The Oslo Accords are meaningless unless the U.S. forces Israel to abide by them. Israel never expected this to happen!
Yes, on the surface, the U.S. is kissing Isreal's butt; because, there are too many Jewish voters not to kiss it. But, they are also covertly spanking it. The U.S. is very double faced.
kennc
1 May 2004
42 weeks 3 days
Here is a great joke I heard not long ago.
Why doesn't Israel become the 51st state? Because then they will only have 2 senators:)
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
bladerunner
That was before the Republicans learned that they could win without the Jewish vote and the Christian right wing intends to keep it that way! The Christian right wing wants to force the Jews to convert to Christianity! You will be amazed at the concessions that Israel will be forced to make! That is unless they convert to Christianity. If they convert, they can have it all back. Now, Israel wants to be the 51st state in order to have two Senators! Things have changed!
kennc
1 May 2004
42 weeks 3 days
But not without the jewish lobbiest, bankers and lawyers. There are many in the Bush administration with dual citizenship. Like the head of homeland security and the head of the CIA. Kinda weird? There was an arrest made just yesterday. Head of Procurement. Anouther dual citizenship. Who running who. We the tax payers of this country paid out 250,000 dollars for each settler that just moved out of the occupied area of Israel. We did, WHY? But New Orleans can go to hell in a hand basket.
1 May 2004
2 weeks 3 days
That's some interesting info you have there, bladerunner. Where did you find it?
>>But New Orleans can go to hell in a hand basket.
You must have missed yesterday's news. I heard John McCain saying Congress needs to immediately repeal the Medicare drug benefit, scheduled to go into effect in Jan., to pay for the Katrina damage.
Sounds to me like they're going to be paying Halliburton the money America's seniors and disabled people have been counting on for the meds they can't afford.
Kat
1 May 2004
42 weeks 3 days
Who are the neo-cons?
http://www.etherzone.com/forum/index.php...
http://gorillaintheroom.blogspot.com/200....
Thank you for your interest.
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
bladerunner
I didn't say that he wasn't using a few Chaney Jews! But, he'll get rid of them too!
What do you think?
kennc
22 February 2005
4 years 10 weeks
...interesting point Kennc....Armagedon or maybe this is the area where the Anunaki will land when they return. It was their ( surposedly ) home base originally.So a presence would be desirable as a welcomming to our ( creators, gods ) don't you think ;-{)
DISCLAIMER: the opinions and veiws in this post are mine only and are not those of others or of TDG. Any similarities are by chance only. Unless otherwise "quoted".
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
thefloppy2
The presence in the Middle East is the point. With his military, he can take all of the oil that he wants from just about anywhere he wants. Whether he's there for the Battle of Armagedon, to welcome the Anunaki, or just to control it without having to depend on Israel, which is what I think, the presence of U.S. Military in the Middle East is the point. Personally, I think that the Anunaki will wipe out the U.S. Military along with a few other Militaries in this world before they land.
What do you think?
kennc
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
shadows
22 February 2005
4 years 10 weeks
I just needed to rant a bit. I did say many years ago that America will try many ways of gaining a foot hold in the middle east.
They just needed an excuse. Unfortunatly they didn't get a legidament one. Saudi would not give them any power in their land. Kaiwat( bad spelling ) didn't give them any either. Isreal is down right dangerous. And Egypt is not a friend really.
Anyway...they are there now....are they going to leave???????????
DISCLAIMER: the opinions and veiws in this post are mine only and are not those of others or of TDG. Any similarities are by chance only.
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
thefloppy2
There is no way that they are going to leave the Middle East! In my opinion, they are there to stay! Furthermore, "Weapons that the United States giveth, it taketh away!" From a U.S. perspective, Israel is too strong militarily. So, Sharon had better win the next election. But, even if he does win, it will only buy time! They will get around to Israel sooner or later!
What do you think?
kennc
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kennc
1 May 2004
5 years 1 week
Wait a minute. Didn't Janet Reno already use the US military on American soil when she stormed the Branch Davidian church at Waco?
How divided are you already?
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2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
Peter_Novak
She used the Bureau of Alcohol, Firearme, and Tobacco, as well as, the FBI. I'm not sure about the FBI.
kennc
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Kennc, in Australia last week a US Peace Activist was arrested, held without charges and deported to his own country.He was then presented with a $11,000 bill for his deportation.
The Government claims it can do this under the new terrorism laws.He is a PEACE ACTIVIST.
His own lawyer was not given any indication of the charges against him.
We now have our own version of the US Patriot Act.
And when a former MP writes a book about the corruption and disgusting behaviour in both major parties he is pilloried from one end of the country to another.
No one wants to know the truth.Everyone here is perfectly happy to live in blissful ignorance for ever.
It was a sad day for Australia when George W. Bush grabbed power in the US.
shadows
1 May 2004
6 weeks 2 days
Hi Shadows,
This case sounds very serious indeed, one that -from the outside- would require much much more attention and reflection than the corby case. It sounds as if australia is just as close to becoming a fascist state as the US. Btw things in the UK , the Netherlands or Italy arent that much better. All those treacherous regimes went to war in irak as a pretext so they could cull/register and control their own populations. An evil lot that doesnt represent the people (or even their voters) but is fully controlled by big business agendas and religious (i say devil) worshipping.
" do unto others as you would have them do unto you "
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
The worrying thing Tox is that this bloke is a peace activist, and that means that if he is protesting for peace, the government does not want it.
It means that anyone anytime now can be arrested and held incommunicado for however long because they are doing something the government does not like.
If you do a vox pop you hear idiots say...well we have to keep our country safe.
You sure do have to keep it safe, from fascist governments.
shadows
1 May 2004
1 year 15 weeks
...is that he was protesting against Halliburton if I remember well.
2 March 2005
5 years 18 weeks
Shadows
The Patriot Act and other Antiterrorism Laws give President Bush and the U.S. Government the right to do anything they want. As a peace activist, he was classified as a subversive and subversives are a threat to the security of the United States even when they are in Australia. So, he was arrested!
Peace Activists are evil subversives and War Mongers are good guys! It's just that simple!
kennc