The "Third Secret"

The story about Mel Gibson visiting the last living person, Sr. Lucia, from the famous visitation of Mary at Fatima, has me wondering about the "third secret" and what it may still contain.

Some think that the Vatican only released a portion of the secret, the part about a pope being shot. If indeed that was only a part of the secret, what else was told to the children by Mary? Why, if this is true, did the Vatican hold back some of the information?

Does anyone know if the hidden portion of the secret has to do with:

1.the rise of militant Islamists;

2.the scandal in the Church;

3.and the natural changes (melting ice) and disasters (tsunamis) now occuring around the globe?

I look forward to some replies.

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the shadow's picture
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Hi Terry,
I read somewhere a few years ago that the third secret was not just the killing of the pope but the end of the church.
She was shown the Vatican with dead bishops and priests lying all over the place.There were thousands of dead people.She stepped among them and found the body of the pope.There was devastation everywhere..St Paul's destroyed and St Peter's Basilica.
Something else to do with the 7 hills of Rome.
There were none of those things you mentioned.And I don't remember a reason for it.
This is why John 23 withheld the secret which was due to be released in 1960 which was the Marian Year.It was not the killing of the pope that caused his silence but the story of the end of the church.
There might be something on the net about it.Don't remember where I read it.
A European friend's mother, an old lady who died many years ago,said there was a legend that the last pope would be called Peter, and he was due 2 or 3 popes after Pius 12.
Well there have been 4 popes since then, correct me if I am wrong,Paul 6,John 23,John Paul 1 and now John Paul 2.
If the next pope is Peter (could be his real name) then look for the end of the church.

shadows

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shadows wrote: dead bishops and priests lying all over the place.There were thousands of dead people.She stepped among them and found the body of the pope.There was devastation everywhere..St Paul's destroyed and St Peter's Basilica.

Hmmm. Could it be that this image refers to the current "devastation" and disarray in the Church over the pedophilia scandal, where priests and bishops have been discovered and disgraced?

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Very good Terry,I think I would have to agree with you.You have an excellent mind.One of my favourite quotes is your "..a child intuits what a scientist seeks to prove".
I wish I could remember where I read it, but I know for sure it is the third secret.

Regards,
shadows

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Hi,

A 12th century pope (not sure of his name here, melachi ?) 'predicted' all the popes to come in a 'nostradamus' fashion- cryptic, he predicted the end of the church aswell, and according to his numbers the current pope will be followed by one connected to the 'olive', shortly after him the last one will see the end.. In short its all but over for the catholic church , questionable if they get past 21-12 2112. (Same could be said for most of us btw).

" do unto others as you would have them do unto you "

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Hi Tox,
Would that be Malachi Martin?
I was amazed to read recently that the current pope is so revered by his flock that they are calling him JP the Great.
In this space you could insert the quote that Cernig put at the end of the news today.

Regards
shadows

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Actually, this is the right guy, a 12th century Irish monk.

Prophecies of St. Malachy

http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/ma...

According to those who follow the Malachy chronology, JP II (who ain't looking so great these days) is De Labore Solis. He will be followed by two more popes, Gloria Olivae and Petrus Romanus, and then the gig for the Papacy is up.

Some say the 3rd secret of Fatima says something similar to Malachy's prophecy. The Church officially stated in 2000 that in fact the third prophecy dealt with an assassination attempt on a Pope, and that it had been fulfilled by the 1980s attack on JP II by Mehmet Ali Agca. They have never made clear why they waited two decades to release that info, which is why some doubt its authenticity. It may be apocryphal, but it's said John XXIII examined the Third Secret, wept when he read it, and demanded it be shown to nobody.

Steven Mizrach
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You're right Steve.Actually I think the papacy will go back to an Italian next time.There are those people in the church who say that it should never have left.
Yes I read that about John 23 weeping when he examined the secret.I also read that JP 2 put a different spin on it when he took the bullet which hit his body and offered it at the altar of the Our Lady of Lourdes where it remains to this day.

shadows

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Well, personally speaking, I don't think the end of the catholic church will be a great loss. In my humble opinion, it's long overdue.

When you cut it down to brass tacks, the only reason the church existed, was to allow them to control the people and to accumulate wealth and power. i.e. "If you don't do as the church says, you will spend eternity in damnation." etc.

That was a very frightening thing for an uneducated person to hear throughout the ages, and the people were putty in the church's hands. Now people are more educated, less willing to subscribe to the religious "mumbo jumbo", and don't want to be told what they should and shouldn't do.

The only thing that concerns me about all this, is that if the church is no more - what will replace it?

A good case, perhaps, of "Better the devil you know, than the devil you don't."

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I wonder what Jesus would say?

Since this whole thing, that you criticize so accurately, started with Him, I wonder what he would say about the low state we are in today?

I wonder if He would sadly shake his head and say something like, "You pathetic fools. You have it all wrong. My mission was not to create an institution. It was not about power and wealth. It was not about frightening and oppressing people."

I think he would turn his back on this failed enterprise...and start again.

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Yes Terry I think He just might do that.Or would He bother do you think.
After all mankind is what it is.

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After all mankind is what it is

Hmmm. What IS mankind anyway? Are we just another animal in the food chain? One that is particularly aggressive (particularly toward its fellow creatures) and destructive (especially toward its surrounding environment)? Are we just "nasty, brutish, and short," destined for nothing more than the grave? Are we a hopeless case?

I hope not.

Rather, I think we have a better nature, a higher nature. A higher calling.

I think that we are here for a reason, which we may never fully grasp, but it has to do with striving toward those values that people (most people anyway) everywhere cherish, e.g. peace, harmony, health, prosperity.

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I agree with what you said, but there is a difference between what mankind is and what mankind could be.

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Yes, shadow, there IS a difference.

And the difference is choice.

We, all of mankind, choose the results that we are getting. No one slse chooses it for us.

We could be what we are capable of, in the higher & better sense, if only we had the resolve to choose it.

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We have to realize that we have no choice in order for a new psychic pressure to surface that presses forward to develop the ability not of doing what we feel like doing but to do what must be done.

The very fact that we live the illusion of having a choice opens the door to the false choice, which is in fact a case of mental high jacking that goes against the absoluteness of man's consciousness.

The realization that there is no choice only leaves what must be done and eliminates the concept of doubt in our own intelligence that stems from this very 'false choice'.

Matter of fact, most should be able to recognize that through our human experience, it is when you are against a wall, when the crisis comes, that we end up doing what should have been done all along but that was kept on being postponed as long as possible.

We are mostly programmed to react to psychological stimuli, which diverts the energy of pure mental consciousness into these impressions of choice, which we refer to as 'free will'. The purpose is to eventually develop an intelligence that is real and not based on an experimental consciousness of trial and error.

The ego is easily swayed into ‘choices’ that appear as alternatives to needs. These become desires. Even though all the information is there in vibration when presented with these false choices, we still plunge down the self-serving short-term apparently beneficial path just to grind our teeth on the unavoidable fiasco. You know, this is this sense that makes us say ‘I knew it’ after the fact and that should be proof enough in itself of the ego’s inabilities, both in intelligence and will, to take ‘his’ life in his hands. The ego is to life’s experience what a child is to mature responsibility. Yet, again and again we cling to this impression of having choices that supports the illusion of free will. It is like saying: I have the right to screw myself up and that is my free will. Take that concept at the scope of humanity and you get what you get.

The day that desire related experimental illusions are integrated, they cannot maintain any power of influence over the ego who then can see clearly that there are no choices. It is then that the ego is neutralized in its ability to slow down the evolution of the mental entity. It is then that what must be done is done now and not when all else has failed. Humanity then embarks on the fast track of evolution.

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Hi Xibalba, why do think we need to have religion replaced?
It turned out pretty ugly after all.And apart from telling you how to think and conduct your life,it is just a crutch for some people.
Why not try to live without it.
The comment "better the devil you know than the one you don't" is nonsensical and goes along with other nonsensical sayings like "the road to hell is paved with good intentions".
Thinking for ourselves in the 5th year of the 21st century should not be such a hard job.

I don't mean to sound cranky.I have had 2 nights without sleep with trigeminal neuralgia and looks like another one walking the house with
pain.Most people go to hospital and have morphine with it but I don't for other medical reasons.

shadows

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Rome Nuked..by terrorist that secure 2 Nuclear Weapons. Bomb 1 brought in by ship to the east coast of the U.S and is detonated in N.Y port. Bomb 2 goes off 1 week later in Rome.....Church collapse begins not from a lack of faith but from a fanatical post guilt and blame /self loathing complex from the faithful and the Church itself.Because of world geo political climate Mecca is spared same fate from the west.