Atlantis Above and Below (Part 2)

Kathrinn,

The original thread was too successful and spilled over onto a second page, which is sooooo annoying!

http://www.dailygrail.com/blogs/Charles-...

I'd like to re-energize this topic with a couple of new discussion items.

The first involves the names Plato gave to the 10 kings of Atlantis. Together with the "founding father" Poseidon and the two leading female figures, Queen Cleito and Princess Atalanta, they quite readily emerge as archetypes for the later and more familiar pantheon of 13 deities known in Egypt and other mythologies, including the biblical rendition (patriarchal gloss) of Jacob and his 12 sons.

The second has to do with Precession and the Temples of Hathor and Isis at Dendera and the Temple of Satet (Greek Sothis/Isis) at Aswan/Elephantine Island, which is a central element in Robert Bauval's book, "The Egypt Code". Have you read this book? I can't seem to find any other critical reviews/commentary on Bauval's analysis of Precession as it relates to the orientation of these temples. I believe his conclusions are somewhat mistaken and would really appreciate a "second opinion" from an astronomer!

Anyway, hope you are enjoying the holidays and I'll post more detail on these subjects for your consideration whenever you are ready.

-Charles

Note: There are two other threads related to this discussion -

Atlantis Above and Below, Part 1
http://www.dailygrail.com/blogs/Charles-...

Atlantis Above and Below, Part 3
http://www.dailygrail.com/blogs/Charles-...

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Hi Charles! I'm pleased you started a new thread - I agree that going to page 2 is annoying, particularly as it doesn't seem to notify of 'new' posts (at least mine doesn't anyway).

It will be a few weeks before I can get around to looking for Hercules' 'missing eye', as I'm up to my ears in family history research at present and want to get it concluded before my original month's subscription runs out. (Cheapskate!) I have one more family yet to go, and a missing ancestor still to track down in the ones I've been working on over Christmas. It's been at times very frustrating work, but rewarding just the same.

No, I haven't read "The Egypt Code" but it sounds interesting. Once our library reopens on the 4th January I'll see if they can get it for me from the Brisbane central library, but that could take a month or so if they even have it in the first place. This is one of the disadvantages in living so far from our capital city in this enormous country (1000 miles). I can't afford to buy any more books at present after the last 2 months of horrendous bills that have had to be paid.

We have also been deluged by torrential rain and storms, but they have cleared off for a little while. My town (annual rainfall average 35") is now well pass the 100" mark and we haven't quite finished the year yet! Our river (usually just full of sand) has had flood warnings out but thankfully never got close to overtopping the banks and is now falling again. Most of Queensland seems to be underwater at the moment, with many communities, towns and properties isolated or evacuated, roads impassable (and badly damaged), and the worst yet to come for those downstream of the present inland sea. In the last few weeks I was often unable to turn the computer on because of violent thunderstorms in the area.

Hope you had an enjoyable time over the festive season, and will be in touch again on this thread as soon as I can.

Regards, Kathrinn.

P.S. Much as I'd like to be, I'm not an astronomer - just a person who has always watched the sky and found great interest in the masses of astronomical information coded into myth and legend.

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I have noticed Astronomical and Astrological symbolism encoded in certain Pivotal historic events such as the Battle of Bannockburn, the flying of the Star-Spangled Banner at the Siege of Fort McHenry, and the dedication date of Scotland's famed Rosslyn Chapel. What I have found most interesting, however, is that the celestial arrangements on those auspicious occasions were not visually observable. In fact, they were "hidden in the light," so to speak, of the daytime sky.

http://www.mythomorph.com/mm/articles/

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Hi Kathrinn,

I'll post the relevant passages from the book and hopefully you can provide a "reading" for us. Something you can do quickly/easily I hope. Unfortunately "The Egypt Code" isn't one of those titles that Google has scanned. It's worth borrowing through your library system if you can get it, but maybe we don't need to wait for that.

Glad you have not been washed away by "The Great Flood" of 2010. Is this good or bad for what's left of the Great Barrier Reef? I would guess bad.

-Charles

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Hi Charles. Thanks for your post. Towns and cities further south from me are patiently awaiting the down-stream occurrence of their worst floods since 1942. In an unprecedented event, the entire town of Theodore (population a huge 300 people!) has been evacuated and its citizens may not be able to return home for weeks as their town is simply surrounded by an inland sea. The last 10 to leave today were those who refused to set foot on a chopper earlier without their pets, and the pets were finally allowed to go too. Bundaberg, a sizeable coastal city, was submerged up to house ceiling level today and the river hasn't peaked yet. Rockhampton, very sizeable coastal city, is cut in half by their river and the water coming from inland may not fully reach them for another 10 days yet. It is a multi-billion dollar disaster.

All of the Great Barrier Reefs are still intact - don't believe too much of what you might read about them! Stretching over a distance of 2000 miles, and in places with individual reefs spread over 100 miles east-west, it will be a difficult feature to destroy. Where major coastal rivers empty into the sea, there is usually a 'passage' through the many and various reefs which accommodates the outflow of fresh water and no coral grows there. When the Burdekin river (next to my north), and the longest and largest river-system in Qld, is in flood, muddy water can be seen as far as 80 miles off the coast. It drains an area roughly 3 to 4 times the area of Great Britain stretching from way north to way south.

Yes, some bleaching of surface corals have occurred, but nothing yet sufficient to destroy one of the wonders of the natural world. If the worst comes to the worst and rising sea temperatures begin to affect these massive structures, the coral will simply start populating areas further south. Nature is a survivor, and it already deals with farm-chemical run-off and man-made mud and soil pollution caused by urban development along what is very fragile coastal land area. I have no doubt it will still be there long after you and I are gone elsewhere!

Sorry this isn't relevant to your blog, but I thought it might be of interest.

Regards, Kathrinn

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Kathrinn, glad there is still room for optimism ... and I did ask for it! It's also somehow apropos to this thread of Atlantis and the "Waterworld" it became.

And speaking of Queensland ...

The senior and junior queens of Atlantis, Cleito and Atalanta, were obvious inspirations for Hathor and Isis of Egypt (not to mention Hera and Athena of Greece).

In later Egypt, the god Re was supreme. However, in Atlantis the leading god ("High God") is the ocean/water deity Poseidon/Potidan instead. In Egypt, this water god was called Ptah/Khnum, and in Mesopotamia, Ea/Enki. (In the biblical framework this god corresponds to the Enoch/Joseph typecasting.) The epithet of Poseidon, Erechtheus ("hastener") further links this god to Ptah and to another of his Greek nicknames, Iapater, "the hurrier"). The rush for this god was the acquistion of kingdoms and the conquest of women. With Atlantis he gained both. But one of his daughters considered turn about to be fair play. The famous outwitting of Poseidon by Athena in Greek myth is also paralleled by Inanna's tricking of Enki in Mesopotamian myth.

The 10 junior kings of Atlanta were five sets of twins, and they provided an archetypal framework for later parallel ruling dynasties (all under the authority of a family "Godfather").

The first set of twins were named Atlas and Eumelus. Atlas was the "eldest son" and corresponds to "Geb the heir" in Egypt. (We've already talked about the Geb - Atlas association.) His twin was called Eumelus, a.k.a. Gadeirus. The partner of Atalanta is called Melanion ("black native"), which sounds like a variation on Eumelus ("good melody"). The biblical name Gad corresponds to the god Anu of Mesopotamia and On/An of Egypt.

The next set of twins are called Ampheres and Euaemon. Euaemon ("good spirit") maps to Thoth of Egypt. Ampheres ("encircling" or "double bearer/bringer") captures the essence of Atlantis itself, not only in its agricultural abundance and architectural flair but also its political influence. Ampheres corresponds to Horus the Elder of Egypt, progenitor of the pharaonic line.

The third set of twins are Mneseus (a.k.a. Museus) and Autochthon. The name Mneseus does not have a clear meaning, but connotes "strength" and "voice", qualities of the Egyptian god Seth. Queen/Pharaoh Hatshepsut wrote, "My power reaches the limits of the Two Lands, I have attained the strength of 'Him-with-the-Mighty-Voice' (Seth). The alternate name Museus ("of the Muses") also relates well to Seth/Apollo.

The twin of Museus is Autochthon, progenitor of the Pelasgians of Greece (and possibly also referred to as Erechthoneus). The name Autochthon ("earth springing" and connoting "self-created") could apply to many gods, however as eponymous ancestor of Pelasgians, he must be of the water/ocean-god type. This prince was then likely considered a continuation of the Poseidon line and corresponds to the later Greek figure of Peleus and Egyptian Peribsen (biblical Japheth).

The fourth set of twins are Elasippus and Mester. Elisippus is the archetypal "reckless chariot driver" ala Phaeton and the biblical Jehu, who is promised a "dynasty like David's". In Egypt, his role is fulfilled by both Horus the Younger (Ham) and Narmer (Nimrod), founder of the Old Kingdom. Mestor/Nestor ("counselor"/"spokesman") is a priestly figure and successor of Thoth in that capacity. His role is played by Semerkhet (Shem) in the early Old Kingdom and later by High Priests such as Mery-Re/Aanen (Aaron) High Priest of the Aten (and spokesman for Akhenaten) in the New Kingdom.

The fifth and final pair are Diaprepes and Azaes. The Greek root, dia, means "of the air" and relates this Atlantean prince to the later Egyptian god Shu and Enlil of Mesopotamia. Interestingly, Shu was not a god suppressed by Akhenaten and suggests that the Re and Shu divine types derived from a common (earlier) source. Shu maps to the zodiac sign of Cancer and is related to increased solar radiation and plant growth. It's rise to dominance, at least in the Egyptian pantheon, did not occur until the end of the last Ice Age when it ultimately supplanted Poseidon/Ptah in importance.

Azaes is almost by process of elimination the Atlantean equivalent of Osiris (Asar) in Egypt. Biblical equivalents of this name include Uzziah and Azariah.

Note that most if not all of the pairing above are rival twins rather than true partners. Re was the nemesis of Osiris, and authorized his murder by Set and Thoth. The partners in crime, Set and Thoth, are not paired in the Atlantean scheme. Instead, Set/Museus is made the rival twin of Ptah/Autochthon and Thoth/Euaemon is made the rival of twin of Horus the Elder/Ampheres.

An effective tyrant pitted one subordinate prince against another. Too much cooperation could lead to unwanted alliances and the tyrant's overthrow!

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Charles - I hope Queensland doesn't end up as a myth in some future peoples' time!!!

I've copied off your post for later study. Knowing how often in the past I've found "same script, diffent actors" in myths, what you write sounds completely feasible, although this is all very much over my head I'm afraid.

Still ploughing away on the family trees - the genealogy websites don't want you to find anything out in a hurry (would cut into their monthly profits!). Have found that my grandfather's own grandparents were both in trouble with the Law, so don't know how the rest of the family will react to that one when it's told to them - their problem, I guess - facts is facts!

Regards, Kathrinn

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My Pope family tree in America is a rather checkered one as well - everything from governors to horse-thieves. And not sure which was the less honorable!

I get a chuckle out of some of the family trees I see on the web where people are tracing their lineages back to pharoahs and such.

Anyway, the tradition of 10 "founding fathers" is also in the Bible. There are 10 Patriarchs before the Flood in Genesis Chapter 4. There was a related tradition of 7 priest-kings, which is also woven into the Genesis narrative in Chapter 5. The Sumerian histories include both a succession of 10 kings and 7 priests.

http://www.domainofman.com/book/chart-2....

As in Genesis, many of the names are the same or variants between the two lists. For example, in Genesis Enoch becomes Enosh in the "remix", Irad becomes Jered, and so forth. There was a constant recycling of the original theme and with slight variations on it over time. The Sumerian king/priest-list seems to follow the Atlantean one in making the first great (gal) man (lulu) a flood survivor and water ruler on the order of Poseidon. The first Sumerian king is called Alulim and the first priest is Uan. Recall that Uan-Adapa (Oannes) was a fabled Mesopotamian flood hero who exercised a god-like mastery over wind and waves. Also, the variant of Poseidon, Potidan, can be intrepreted as "father of Dan (Adam)".

There was a lot of water over the various Queenslands between the time of Atlantis and Sumeria, however the basic pattern seems to have been largely preserved. Quite an incredible continuity over 1,000's of years!

Something else that struck me as significant while researching Atlantis lore was the emphasis on the number five as a male symbol and six as female. Five later became a number associated with the Greek Hercules (Horus) and particularly in a fatalistic sense. In Egyptian myth we have the expression, "Horus which is in Osiris", that is, Horus dying tragically and prematurely as Osiris had. (And both Osiris and Horus the Elder were killed by Set.) From the system canonized by the Bible, Horus the Elder became known as the 4th (Judah) prince and Osiris the 5th (Issachar) prince. There appears to be a slight evolution from the earlier Atlantean twin groupings, at least the one provided by Plato. However, I suspect Plato was pairing up the traditional 10 princes according to their natural rivalries rather than order of birth (and birthright).

In the Biblical scheme, the sixth position is assigned to Zebulun, a name deriving from Yzebel/Jezebel (Isis), and again consistent with the number six representing a female principle.

One other point that involves Hercules/Horus is Herodotus' statement that "the Greeks call Horus son of Osiris, Apollo". This has created a great deal of confusion among mythographers. It is true that Apollo was in the Greek culture the quintessential god (and this is likely due in part to the geographical association of Greece with Gemini and its "king killers", Seth/Apollo and Thoth/Hermes).

Apollo was to the Greeks what Horus was to the Egyptians. The two gods also shared some common traits, such as musical genius, but it is a mistake to consider them one and the same. Apollo equates directly to the Egyptian god Set/Seth and the Canaanite god Baal. In his "devilish" alter ego he is called Apollyon in the Book of Revelation. Apollo was considered the first god to pursue a homosexual liaison with another god. In Egyptian myth Set attempts to sodomize Horus but Horus is forewarned. According to the Bible, Ham (Horus the Younger) in turn later sodomizes Noah and in order to assert dominance in the post-Flood world. (Umm, should we tell the kids about these members of ye ol' family tree?)

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I have scanned an image from "The Egypt Code" for discussion. How do I insert into a post?

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Can you upload it to one of the image sharing sites like Picasa or Photobucket?

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RPJ, thanks, I was hoping there might be an "undocumented feature" that would let me post it directly here. I'll ask my webmaster to post it to a page on my website and then link to it.

Happy New Year!

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Here's the link:

http://www.domainofman.com/boards/index....

My question to Kathrinn (and other astronomy buffs) is how does the heliacal rising of Sirius drift over the 1460 year cycle? What is the range of angles with respect to some reference (such as true north)? It does seem at least possible that the little shrine nestled between the rocks at Elephantine Island could have been a vantage point (looking east across the Nile) to view the heliacal rising (and announce the annual flood), but anomalies abound there (and also at Dendera).

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Charles - Sirius has a large "proper motion" against what are assumed (for the purpose of the measurement exercise) fixed stars behind it as it is a close star to the solar system at only 8.6 Light Years distance. Its proper motion has been calculated at 1.32 arc seconds per year. Therefore in 1460 years it would have moved 1.32 * 1460 = 1927.2 arc minutes, or 32.12 deg.

A rough estimate of how far this is could be obtained by closing the fist, holding it at arm's length (which is approximately 10 deg.) and tripling that estimate.

Hope this helps. Sorry to have been so long in posting this.

Regards, Kathrinn

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wouldn't that be 1927.2 arc seconds, making it 31.12 arc minutes ? That would be about 1/2 degree.

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To Earthling: Re 1927.2/60 = 32.12 minutes in my previous post, according to my calculator the figure I gave was accurate - perhaps my calculator is not, although I think that's unlikely. In any case, it's not a big difference really.

To Charles: I think the analogy in my post mentioning both minutes and degrees regarding the amount of proper motion exhibited by Sirius in 1460 years was perhaps a little hard to visualise (it was written late at night as I had to wait for a monster storm cell to pass over us before I could turn on the computer.) Edmund Halley (of comet fame) calculated that the apparent diameter of the full moon was approximately 30 arc minutes. Maybe that's easier.

Regards, Kathrinn

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Right, its 32.12 minutes, I'm sure that's what you meant. The post said 32.12 degrees.

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I'm an idiot. That's what comes of answering posts at nearly midnight after a violent thunderstorm. I'll try to lift my game!

Regards Kathrinn

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Kathrinn,

So is the "excursion" therefore +/- 16.06 degrees with respect to a fixed point on the eastern horizon?

I'm trying to figure out how Bauval concluded that 3.6 degrees (or variously 5.95 degrees according to R.A.Wells) was a reasonable shift for Sirius over a 1200-year interval (between Ptolemy II and Thutmose III/Hatshepsut). Seems like it should have been well over 20 degrees unless the shift had reversed itself at some point during that interval of time.

Sorry about my ignorance of this phenomenon!

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Sorry about my minutes/degrees mistake in my other post which I'm indebted to earthling for pointing out.

According to my "Atlas of the Universe" type reference books, Sirius A doesn't have a retrograde proper motion, except for a minute variation due to its interaction with Sirius B, which amounts to virtually nothing as viewed from earth and is corrected during the next interaction.

At a proper motion of 1.32 arc seconds per year, in 1200 years it would have moved only 0.44 degrees - hardly either of the alternative measurements given as taken from your website post. I think someone here is bending the facts to fit some personally held hypothesis. This is only my opinion, you understand, and I'm open to correction. However, given the facts, I can't see how any of the claims can be justified.

Regards, Kathrinn

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Due to advancing antiquity my brain doesn't work as fast as it once did! I had a further thought this morning.

You asked if there was an *excursion* relative to a fixed point on the eastern horizon. If one considered the rising sun as a 'fixed point', then the answer is 'yes'. Due to the phenomenon of Precession (something the Egyptians were not only well aware of but had a special calendar to track), if one considered the Sun a 'fixed point', then over time the background constellations would appear to drift, regardless of their own proper motions in space.

In a 1200 year period this would amount to a difference of roughly 16.66 deg - the *excursion* you mention. What is more, the sun appears to retrograde through the ecliptic constellations, which could account for the fact that, as you state, the 18th dynasty temple appears to been have rotated backwards with respect to the 12th dynasty temple.

Maybe it is some sort of combination of both the precessional drift and the star's proper motion that has been calculated in the case of the orientation of these overlaying temples, although this hasn't been properly explained in the text

Gotta go - another thunderstorm is about to fall on us.

Regards, Kathrinn

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It does make more sense that a temple might be tracking the sun's motion, and it is generally agreed that the Satet temple was aligned to the winter solstice rising sun. The opening of the rock feature was not exactly aligned to the winter solstice and that seems to be why the entrance of the temple was offset to one (toward the north) side. Some have speculated that original temple orientation may have commenorated a point in time when the winter solstice and summer heliacal rising of Sirius were actually aligned.

As an aside, I suspect that this location inspired the biblical story of Moses being directed by the Lord (again, a goddess in this case) to strike the rock so that life-giving water would gush forth. Elephantine Island is the mythical source of the Nile and it was apparently possible to hear the coming flood before actually seeing the level rise. An annual "Striking the Rock" ceremony would have made for a very nice religious experience.

Bauval does talk about the "Great Solar Cycle" of 1506 years, during which "the place of 'birth of Ra-Horakhti' changed from a point in the north to a point in the south and back again in a cycle of 1506 years". However, Bauval still concludes that change in orientation of the Satet temple at Elephantine and Isis temple at Denderah was done to track the precession of Sothis/Sirius.

Thanks for the analysis!

Here is a web site with a slightly different plan for the evolution of the Satet temple:

http://www.touregypt.net/featurestories/...

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This is a strange piece of information! What "Great Solar Cycle of 1506 years"? I have never before heard it mentioned anywhere. 1506 years doesn't match up with any other cyclical figures that I know of, so I can't imagine where Bauval dredged this idea up from. This is getting stranger and stranger!

Pleased the other information was helpful.

Regards, Kathrinn

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The two numbers, 1460 and 1506 are somewhat related. Both can be used for calendar correction.

Bauval writes (p 38):
"The value of 1,460 years is obtained by simly dividing 365 by 0.25. ... The true rate of drift is 0.2422 days [per year], which gives us 1506 years (365 divided by 0.2422), which can be seen as a Great Solar Cycle."

A really interesting observation of Bauval is that during the Amarna period 730 altars in the Great Temple of Aten at Amaran and 730 statues erected by Amenhotep III to the goddess Sekhmet in Luxor as a prescription against the plagues of that time, and that 730 is exactly half of the 1460 year cycle of Sirius. Bauval concludes that the Egyptians were counting these years and knew they were half-way through a cycle.

In the Egyptian Flood story Sekhmet ravaged the people with plagues and had to be appeased. These plagues were variously caused by either too little flood water or too much. Consistent with this, biblical Moses is instructed to strike the rock only once. However, Moses becomes impatient and strikes the rock a second time, for which he was to die. No strikes apparently meant too little flooding whereas two strikes would result in too much water. It literally was a matter of life or death. The whole drama of an "Exodus" involved escaping the consequences of a Nile River that had in one extreme or the other suddenly become adverse to life.

If Bauval is correct about 730 being a chronological marker, then that should help us determine the approximate time for the Amarna Period. Unfortunately if you go 730 years back from the 139 AD (the start of a Sirius cycle recorded in Roman times), you only get to 591 BC. You have to go a full cycle of 1460 years to arrive at the traditional time for Akhenaten. There wouldn't be any reason to use the symbolism of 730 in that time period. They should have then built 1460 altars and 1460 statues instead. However, 591 BC happens to be the right time for Akhenaten in a revised chronology that takes into account the many parallel dynasties (ala Atlantis) during Egyptian pharaonic history.

So, we've somehow come full circle!

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I'll think about that. Somehow, though, I really can't see any value in the 1506 year cycle calendar - it doesn't seem to show or prove anything useful and would be difficult to keep or interpret due to the long time span. Would it not also mean that after a 1506 year period of ignoring the 0.2425 extra day part, the calendar would be 'wrong' by a whole year?

The flooding situation in Queensland has gone from very bad to even worse. The video footage on TV tonight finally reduced me to tears. Fortunately, for now, I am still in the 'dry' part (relatively speaking). Maybe our turn is yet to come, as so far no cyclones have put in an appearance in the Coral Sea. We still have 3 months of the bad part of the year left to go, so I'm not trying to tempt fate here.

it seems to me that some of the countries to whom Australia liberally hands out millions of dollars in 'aid' during disasters could, by now, have offered a smidgin of return assistance - or am I wishing for the moon here? What we have on our hands at present is turning into a monumental disaster of epic proportions and in the last 24 hours the damages bill (which was already running into billions) has most likely nearly doubled. It isn't over yet, either. Where are all our so-called 'friends' that we so willingly help out? I'm starting to feel angry as well as devastated by the losses incurred by those so far affected.

Regards, Kathrinn.

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Has the Australian government actually made the plea for international help? Sometimes nations are reticent to call for assistance —they fear to show weakness and all that.

Do you know if there's a webpage that is accepting donations?

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No, Red, I don't think either the Queensland state or Australian federal governments have asked for aid. It may come to that - as the situation is simply going from very bad to worse followed by much worse. I just felt that some of the overseas countries that received aid from Oz in the past might have been charitable enough to offer without being asked. Wrong again, as far as I know!

I don't know of a website - googling "Queensland flood appeal" might produce something. All the Banks here are accepting donations. So far I think about $9 million has been raised by public donation and the State and Federal governments initially were to chip in $100 million each but that figure, in light of the events of the last 48 hours, will only be a drip in a bucket of what is needed in the long term.

Whole communities, whole farming properties (livestock and crop), and every road in the affected areas are destroyed; people's homes, livelihoods and often their life's work has simply been swept away by the raging torrents of water. The worst is yet to come, unbelievable as that sounds. 9 people are confirmed dead and 70 are missing, presumed dead at this stage. The Lord Mayor of Brisbane said on TV tonight "Today is very significant, tomorrow will be bad and Thursday is going to be devastating." That about sums it up for now.

I feel as if we are all living in the middle of some dreadful Armageddon horror movie. And I'm in the 'good' part at present.

Regards, Kathrinn

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Well, think about this: the reason people like those Armageddon movies, is that they show catastrophes are an opportunity for people to show the best of themselves. So this horrible tragedy is an opportunity for the people of Australia to show solidarity toward one another, and act as one people above petty quarrels and divisions.

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I agree, Red, and that's exactly what is happening - not only friends and neighbours, but complete strangers coming to the aid of those in need. But that's what Aussies do. We're really very nice people!

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Kathrinn,

Yes, after 1506 years an additional year would need to be added, but this is a very useful system in that it would have been very accurate over an extremely long period of time, even on an Atlantean scale if you will. I'm not as convinced as Bauval that the Egyptians used it in conjunction with the 1460 year Sothis cycle but it is at least possible.

Is there an inter-library loan system left for you to request Bauval's book? I would guess not, so we can leave this thread be for now, and knowing you have much more pressing concerns in the foreseeable future (apart from the blinded eyes of Hercules and family trees). It's been a fascinating study, and has made for a striking parallel between the Exodus of Atlanteans, Egyptians, and present-day Queenslanders. Our hearts go out to you in this crisis.

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Charles, this has indeed been an interesting thread, for which I must thank you. I'll get around to looking for Hercules' missing eye one of these days. The family trees are researched as far as is able and only need to be drawn out and distributed (thank goodness!) - but it's been interesting none-the-less.

No, I would suggest that the inter-library loan system from Brisbane won't be available for the forseeable future (see the pic on Twitter in Greg's Twitter list today!!), so I'll have to wait for that one.

Just before we sign off here for now - what was the connection for the Egyptians that Bauval thought existed between the Great Solar Cycle and the 1460 Sothis cycle - in fact, what is the 1460 Sothis cycle? I haven't heard of that either.

Dear oh dear! So many interesting things to find out and so many boring tasks (like housework and paying bills) to absorb time that could be spent in so much better ways!!

Best wishes, Kathrinn

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"This was known as a 'Cycle of Sothis' because Sothis (Sirius) would rise with the Sun on the same day every 1460 years. Actually because of precession of the equinoxes and proper motion of Sirius the period was slightly less, but Egyptians found this cycle of 1460 years."

http://www.ephemeris.com/history/egypt.html