News Briefs 29-05-2007

Symbology is always key. As Captain Jack Sparrow might phrase it, words - images - stories are like a drawwring of that key. Many of us would probably agree with The History Channel's take on the symbology of Star Wars, which aired last night. On YouTube, Rob Ager's done a nice job of explaining the slightly less accessible symbology of the Illuminati/New World Order in Kubrick's A Clockwork Orange, but due to the graphic violence and nudity, you'll have to search for it yourselves. But sometimes, the symbology we so clearly see in a story isn't what the author had in mind at all. Take The Wizard of Oz, for instance. For Baum, his story was quite a differently-colored horse (pdf) than the one most people think they know.

Thanks, Greg.

Quote of the Day:

Anyone who conducts an argument by appealing to authority is not using his intelligence; he is just using his memory.

Leonardo da Vinci

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Pappy Bush was on the board of directors on Connaugh Industries that made several vaccines laced with mercury-thimeosol. Pappy said no case would ever come to trial in a Federal Court, I know 'cuz I tried more than once, I have 2 adorable kids now in their 20s who suffer as a consequence of this.
Quite a few folk in EU who tried to sue Connaugh Industries in EU courts were directed to take their suit to Federal Courts that never accepted their briefs. If this case even gets a toehold within the legal arena, Connaugh will declare bankruptcy in a heartbeat to avoid damage claims.

My kids want their life back, 10 million bucks will barely scratch the surface. I will go thru the motions again once the appeals process starts.

I linked to an article about chelation therapy to rid the body of mercury toxicity, but it means destroying a lot of vital tissue with a different set of potent chemicals. In Japan many years ago folk died from eating mercury tainted fish, the survivors have been subjected to all sorts of detox-chelation regimens to get back some semblance of a normal life. It is no easy task. I hope the new trials will be less deleterious when it comes to secondary side effects. The argument in court actually boils down to proving mercury from vaccines vs mercury from other sources is the culprit.

I expect all sorts of industry sponsored 'experts' will come in and blame the diet these unfortunates ate, like tuna, fatty fish like salmon, drinking whole milk, high fat cheese, red meat products, etc...The blame game has just begun. The junk food industry will be blamed 'cuz of cola drinks in aluminum cans leach out mercury based solder, use of aspartame, etc

It will be drawn out so long the litigants will be retirees before its all sorted out, 'cuz no industry wants to lose its market share if any connection can be made. I expect broadcast media to be dragged in by virtue of radiowave frequencies blamed for all sorts of neuro related problems surfacing with G3 signals and what not.

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*

and I liked Calypso a lot. Their names are cool too,
swan. sparrow.calypso.

I don't she began to get angry enough, but they cut
something out of the movie?

There is a break between the crab bit where Jack
chucks the stone away and all the crabs bring the Black
Pearl back to sea. {the same image is used differently in
the bit where Calypso is freed by wooden eye guy}

maybe ye have to make the connections in yer head??
The sea goddess is present in the stones and the fish
but they kind of bend round the theme.

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If anyone is unclear as to what the term 'hard-wired in the brain' refers to, here's one way you can demonstrate it to yourself:

Lift your right foot and rotate it clockwise. (If you're a bit lazy, you can prop your right leg on your left knee as you do this - it won't make any difference.)

As you're rotating your right foot clockwise, draw the number six in the air with your right hand.

Oops! What happened to that clockwise direction of your foot when you drew that six?

You can try this little experiment again and again, but the results will always be the same. That's hard-wiring for you!

Kat

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Sorry Kat, but I guess I just don't have a hard-wired brain.

I'm fully capable of rotating my right foot clockwise (and continuing to do so) while drawing a six in the air (or on paper).

Mind you - I used to be a semi-pro drummer, so maybe I've developed a certain amount of limb independence. Who knows.

Has anyone else tried it? Do they get the result I got, or Kat's result?

yer ol' pal,

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my drummer son had no problem doing it, I had to slow down each movement in order to see where the conflicting signals came in by getting past this magic crossover point. I could speed up that movement after practicing the timing so that each movement happened seemed easy to do when it actually was the result of conscious effort. I have a daughter who is into aerobics and baton twirling and she found it easy as well, so muscle coordination skills make a difference as well.

In neurological testing, I saw neurologists perform things like a Babinski's or palmo-mental for diagnostic purposes. If they found a mixed blending due to prior training on the part of a patient trying to get medical compensation for on-the-job injuries, they have to pull other maneuvers out of their medical bag of assesment regimens to get a consistent pattern for a neurological mal-function.

You must have heard of the Penfield experiments of the 50s when he touched various parts of a patients brain with lo-volt probes and elicited the memory associated with the stimulus. This led to todays mapping of the brain and these neuro wirings.

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I just knew it ... we operate to the beat of a different drummer. Ha!

I can even make the six slower or faster keeping the foot rotation at one speed or changing the foot speed and keeping the hand gesture, for making the six, constant.

Maybe I should be a drummer, hey I may have finally found my calling. (Need a rim shot there.) Either that or my wiring is so shorted out that this foot/hand coordination abnormality is the result.

Love, Pam -----------------------------Truth is stranger than fiction.

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The machine must be an amazing achievement. Not only does it cure cancer, you get free fuel on top of that.

That's probably why there are no details whatsoever about the machine, it must worth a lot of money. Good reasons to keep the workings secret.

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Apart from the "slam dunk" story, Prison Planet is currently hosting a video of a Mexican flag flying aloft a US post office. It's a bit lengthy but the first ten seconds will give the gist of the whole thing. A crowd of concerned (and angry) US citizens gather about as though ready to assemble a lynch mob.

Maybe it's a cultural thing, but if a bunch of New Zealand wags managed to sneak a kiwi flag up an Australia Post flagpole, I reckon the Aussies would be too busy rolling around in the streets with laughter to bother protesting. Sure we might think “those conniving little bastards!” but we'd see the joke. Mucking about with flags has been a national pastime ever since Dawn Fraser tried nicking a Japanese Flag at the 1964 Tokyo Olympics. Of course, there would be plenty of US citizens who would see the divine comedy in the more recent Mexican flag raising stunt.

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Hi A2,

Do you really think any Australians would even note the difference if a NZ flag was up the pole?

The Church of Doubt are missing you. Return to your IRC flock.

Kind regards,
Greg
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Greg I always knew he had a flock! Tell me the dirt and I will let you see the scars on my leg.

shadows

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Indeed, A2 has drawn to himself many non-believers in the Church of Doubt. His only problem, in terms of the usual deal of cult leader polygamy etc, is that we disbelieve in him thoroughly (as he wishes). There are moments when he basks in his role, such as when we begin to disbelieve that we disbelieve in him. But such moments are rare, as we soon disbelieve that we disbelieve that we disbelieve in him.

Kind regards,
Greg
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Although I think I offered to believe in cnnek if he is really God.
But he says there is no God.
Maybe he is saying that to test me.

Thanks Greg.When do you want to see my scar?

shadows

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I'd rather belong to a Church of Certainty than one of doubt.I can't work out what it is that you doubt.A2 KNOWS there is no god, he knows all about religion... what is there left to doubt?

My church is much better than A2s, as I allow my brethren to help me change the name every other day to keep ahead of the law.
Today we are worshipping in the Church of the Disappearing Post.
That's the one the council just thieved from outside my house.

As long as you're RaptureReady, I suppose your religion doesn't matter.
Or does it?

shadows

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They have a flag of their own? Gosh, and I always thought they nicked ours and messed it around a little.

At least they aren't invading our country.
Oops, wrong again.
You can order sux of anything any store you go into.

shadows

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I do believe in the law of attraction. Its not easy to overcome deeply-held beliefs which tend to hold us back. We don't even really see our beliefs because we think we "know" stuff (when really we hold beliefs about the world) You can't just "say" all these positive things but then "believe" otherwise deep-down.

The essence of "the secret" is not new or unique but the critics will over-simplify it to make it seem simple-minded.

I call shenanigans on the woman giving-up here cancer treatments (any worse than Christian-science?)

I think Cerulo is creating a false dichotomy and mis-characterizing the essence of the "mind-over-matter" crowd. We're learning how we create our experience---right now its mostly unconscious and yes there are still victims--but we are starting to see the role of the "observer" in the creation of reality.

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threatens the establishment, comfort zone, will attract a bashing. People don't understand the essence of the law of attraction. They think it's a party trick. Most people are programmed to believe their rulers will give them a better life. HA. It's like some of the more notable disasters in the last few years. If you sit back and expect governments to pull you out of the shit, then you will suffer and maybe die. Take some responsibility for yourself and be happy about that and life will improve for you.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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I liked the cauldron story..I wish I could find something like that.I have found Aboriginal stones used for skinning an animal.

Should Oprah renounce her support for The Secret? I don't watch Oprah but the TV was declaring loudly for weeks about this so I know.I don't know why she gets into this stuff.It seems to me that when you have the power she has you should be very careful about what you promote.

Apple juice for asthma, must remember that.

What I liked best of all was The Wizard of Oz.Not having grown up with that story and never having watched a movie of it, I only knew what little I picked up about it.I was thrilled to find that it means what it does.Why don't more people write stuff like this.
I am going to read the original book now.I have it here someplace.

Someplace....could be anywhere.

shadows

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someplace IS anywhere.

yer ol' pal,

Xibalba
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There is another dimension in my house to which all objects desperately needed flee.

But I know how to fiddle with the aliens' heads

There is another dimension in my house filled with lost books, socks,personal papers, clothes,scripts for medication and small children and puppies.

shadows

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I got one too.......the washing machine!

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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Hi floppy,

I was going to say I know how to fiddle with the aliens' heads to get the stuff back but must have forgotten to write it.
Its the drugs.
And I ain't kidding.

shadows

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Someplace definitely is not Anywhere! Someplace is a very specific spot where you know quite definitely that you put something, therefore it can't possibly be Anywhere. The main trouble with Someplace, however, is that it has a sneaky habit of moving when you're not looking, and thus becomes SomeOtherPlace. But that's still not Anywhere. Sorry, X, but I have definite feelings about that!

Floppy - if it's socks that go missing in your washing machine you'll probably find the matching one that's missing in next week's wash, but by then another will have disappeared. It's the way of washing machines - I don't know where they hide the odd sock, but it usually turns up only to have the machine snatch another from your sight.

Regards, Kathrinn.

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He's got nice eyes.

There is a link on that page to a story about a reality TV show where a dying cancer patient decides to what dying person she will donate her kidney.

See folks, this is why I love reality TV shows.Where else can you hear this stuff?

Oh yes, I remember........ugh the Fundamentalists Say the Darndest Things site.

In the past couple of days I have checked out this site and found the darndest things.
Like the Katrina disaster happened because of all the black people living in the southern states.

shadows

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I don't know if one should always employ negative thinking but planning sure has been helpful for me. Case in point, me heading for the hills when Katrina was still spinning north of Venezuela. Everybody thought I was Chicken Little, screaming the sky is falling, but hehe, it was just a little rain shower when it got to where I was located.

I guess you could say I was covering all possible contingencies. Once burned, twice shy. -----------------------------Truth is stranger than fiction.

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I love the da Vinci quote on this news brief. I recall the time I tried to convert a couple of Jehovah's Witnesses. I said I'd only talk to them if they promised to debate with their ideas, and not refer, once, to the Bible.
I didn't convert them, but they ended up so confused that a couple of days later they returned with some smart guy from 'head office.' After an hour of getting nowhere, he turned nasty.

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Realty, like time, is relative to the observer.

Anthony North

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I'm impressed.I tried once to debate faith against logic to a religious nut but found it a no-go altogether.

shadows

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Hi Shadows
It took careful planning. On a previous visit by others I'd agreed to read one of their books, and listed errors. I did it as an exercise in testing faith, and ultimately I lost - in the end I didn't dent their faith, just caused them momentary confusion.
Actually, I don't have a problem with religion as long as it isn't too radical. My wife is religious and my kids were brought up Church of England. I balanced it with science and a degree of scepticism and I think they grew up balanced.
I think there's a difference between religion and spirituality. I'd class myself as spiritual but not a religionist. Religion, I think, is a social and cultural codification of a spiritual philosophy. In other words, politics. Spirituality is an inner feeling - a bonding of man to man, man to the environment and a sense of the universal totality of things.
One thing I've noticed, however, is that I've had many similar experiences with radical atheists. This is, obviously, the other end of the extreme spectrum. But attitude is remarkably similar. It's as if extremes go off in a circle and meet at the top, with little difference in the two polarities.
Oh, for moderation!

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Nite, nite.

Anthony North

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Dear AN,
how does one believe in (any or all of) -
the existence of:
God,
one's soul and
the afterlife
in moderation?
CG
teehee... ; )

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The moderation comes in what you do with those beliefs.

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Oppenheimer: 'You can have it any colour as long as it's black.'
Ford: 'I am Death; destroyer of worlds.'
If only.

Anthony North

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think you have your quotations confused.
and I am confused about what they have to do with the
nature of moderation, regarding one's beliefs.
thought R.O. said: "I am become Death, the Destroyer of worlds".
a statement considered by many to be a mis- (or at best poor) translation of Krishna's words to Arjuna on the battlefied of Kurukshetra. Arjuna had asked for true Darshan, the true vision of Krishna, (i.e., the universe), as He really IS. And he got it, in all its terrifying Reality! Arjuna had to ask Krishna to resume His "normal" form. Guess Krishna didn't know the meaning of "moderation"!

Lots (if not most) of scholars will give this utterance as:

"Now, I am become Time, the Devourer of worlds".

but I suppose Death fit oppie's (weapon-creating) situtation a bit better.
think you are also confusing the nature of belief with behavior or the psychology (behind the use) of violence/warfare, perhaps having to do with the upbringing/psychology of people who could regard those with a different belief-system as being so different/unworthy, that hurting/killing them is actually virtuous. (Unless you have Krishna to urge you to do that righteous duty! and for that, Arjuna needed Him, too!)

don't think anyone would ever accuse the Shakers of being "moderate" in their beliefs or their behaviors, which were guided by those beliefs. but violent? Never! far as I'm concerned, a true "fundamentalist" Christian would be among the least violent people and least "moderate".
think you are hung up on the word itself, and the false concept of "your" "moderation" as being some sort of panacea. sometimes it's good (the "right" thing), and sometimes it's not.

I would not want to see or listen to the "moderate-art/music" of a "moderate" painter/composer/musician.

is there such a thing as a "moderate" Atheist?
is there such a thing as a "moderate" Believer?
do you know the meaning of Love Devotion Zeal Fervor?

how can "moderation" be expected at all times and in all actions
from a person/people whose core belief(s) are inherently not moderate?!
then you want to be the one to decide when any action is over the line
of your so-called "moderation"?

rather than this (non-inspiring) "moderation",

try thinking ....... PEACE

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The concept of moderation applies to behaviour, much more than it applies to belief.

Someone with fundamental belief can be moderate in their behaviour. Indeed, some of the fundamentalist Christians are quite moderate and peaceful. Consider the Amish and the Mennonites. They are pretty fundamentalist, and consequently are among the most peaceful groups you will find.

I am sure there are other very reasonable fundamentalists among Christians and certainly among other religions.

It's just that the agressive fundamentalists make the most noise.

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This is a 'what if' scenario proposed once.
It is an indication that Anthony is a peaceful man that he would post this.

Whenever people post religious writings as a basis for an argument they have lost.

I suggest Giggler that you re-frame your response so that simple people like myself can better understand it.

shadows

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Good morning, everyone.
I think Shadows and Earthling have covered what I think of as moderation quite adequately. It has nothing to do with the severity or not of belief or ideology, but what you do with it. If someone is fulfilled and peaceful with any fundamental belief, excellent. If he tries to force it down others, he's likely to end up with the opposite effect, so this is possibly erroneous. If he literally forces it on others, his moderation has gone to the extreme and he's wrong.
Moderation, as I see it, does not imply some inane form of art/music or anything else. Moderation is about behaviour, not ideas.

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The balanced adult retains the inner child

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true Anthony. And can be applied to everything....drinking, eating , having fun, I mean when kids play and the moderation desolves, the tears start.....it's always fun till someone gets hurt.

Moderation is staying within the bounds of respect to all others. This can be applied to all activities.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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I couldn't have put it better myself, Floppy.

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dude(?),
he does have the quotes confused.

Henry Ford is the one who made reference to having a car in any color as long as it was black.

Oppenheimer was the person who came up with the "Death, the Destroyer of worlds" reference upon explosion of 1st a-bomb.

if anyone feels that Bach or Beethoven or Michaelangelo did their art or their lives in "moderation", then I feel sorry for them. The US of A would no exist if the Founding Fathers had been "moderate".

Thomas Jefferson:

"God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which
is wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions, it is
lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure."

"moderation"?

those who visit the Jefferson Memorial in Washington will read Jefferson's words engraved: "I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every from of tyranny over the mind of man."

more "moderation"?

"The human race was dying out,
No-one left to scream and shout" - Jim Morrison

that's the way you would have it.

the beliefs and values can not
be separated from the behavior!

why are u all so hung up on that word. cannot recall it as being espoused as a core spiritual value...

much (perhaps non-instinctual) behavior flows/is derived from one's beliefs.
many people hold core values and beliefs, which are inherently not "moderate".

to expect your so-called "moderate" behavior from people who espouse "non-moderate" philosphies/values/beliefs is like
squeezing an apple and expecting orange juice.

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I will try to explain it to you in simple terms.
Those quotes were written by those people.
Someone suggested one day that what if the people had written each other's quotes.
And you have to imagine the 'what if' scenario.
Got it yet?

Thomas Jefferson was wrong.

You do not need to have blood spilled to have a revolution.
See the Czech Velvet Revolution in the late 80s.Not a drop of blood was spilt and the Russians moved out of Czechoslovakia as a result.

Jim Morrison got it right.

We must protest, scream and shout if necessary.That is moderation.He does not mention bloodshed.

Look up Gandhi and see how he brought India out from under English rule without bloodshed....with passive resistance.

When you define music,art, poetry and any of the humanities as not being moderate you are very confused.
These things, though conceived in passion, are capable of moderating the wildest emotions.

'The beliefs and values cannot be separated from the behaviour'.
Not in your case, no.
But then you're not a thinker.
You're a quoter and a repeater of what you have heard.

shadows

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when you have the unmitigated arrogance/temerity to tell me how superior your judgment is to that of Mr. Jefferson's, then I have had enough of you and your nonsense. You may may find that one of the greatest human beings or Indians of this or any era, Sri Aurobindo, did believe that the patriotic thing to do was to rise up against the oppressors of his Mother India. If that involved violence, then so be it. He was thrown into prison, and narrowly escaped with his life. The freedom of the USA or India has come about because people had the courage to act and put their lives on the line - not spout some useless, meaningless platitudes.

the act can not be separated from the thought which precedes and motivates it. the thought is the child of the belief, the value, the ideal. no artificial, mental word-construct, centered around some simple-minded notion of a wonderful world of "moderation" will ever change that.

again, the creations and lives of the Greats be they musical: Bach, Beethoven; or artistic: Michaelangelo, van Gogh - are anything but "moderate", and no one would care one whit about them after all these years, if they were. people respond to them and their works because of the passionate feelings they arouse, not because of any soporific, "moderating" effect.

to say I am confused about this is not only totally off-base but infantile. not to mention your attacks against my intellect. I have been polite to you and back up what I claim, which have certainly not been personal, unlike you, apparently. as I said before, regarding those who seek "moderation" in Art, (or Life), I feel sorry for you.

you must have some new syndrome: moderation-mania.
I hope you can get over it.

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Moderation is not the same as being average, not is it being pacifist.

Moderation has to be used in moderation.

Occasionally a revolution is necessary, and occasionally holding fast against an attack is necessary. Occasionally, even attacking is necessary.

On the other hand, always insisting on a position is not productive. Always attacking creates enemies even if you win most of the time.

Moderation is not the same as being average, or always compromising. A moderate person can be very unusual and creative. I have personally met very creative scientists who show very moderate behaviour in their personality.

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But that's OK.I'll wait for you to catch up with me.

If Jefferson advocated violence then he was wrong.

You can be a great leader and still not have all the answers.
In fact that is called being human.

Freeedom of the USA?

You'd better run fast and defend it, because you aren't going to have it much longer.
Your violence loving leaders have seen to that.

shadows

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Good morning everyone
Giggler, there are two ways to reply to you.
Passionate:
Why don't you $%&*£)!" your (&%^)("£% and stick it up your &^%(*%££"^*()!!!!!
Moderate:
We're not going to agree at this stage so let's agree to differ my friend.

Whichever approach I choose, my beliefs, etc, remain the same. Only my behaviour is different.
One makes the world go round. The other threatens its destruction.
You choose.

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and goodmorning to you. I wish I had a way with $&%@*()$# as you do.
But I must be stuck in the moderate trap!

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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I unintentionally bottom-lined the JWs a different way. When I asked what they believed would happen at the end of the world, they said all the JWs would be raised from the dead, and would go live in heaven. So I asked what heaven was going to be like. When they told me their version of heaven, I said it sounded so awful, I'd rather be dead than live for an eternity in their heaven. The instant I said that, they all jumped up and ran out of my house - and they never came back.

>>I think there's a difference between religion and spirituality. I'd class myself as spiritual but not a religionist.

Me too. Since my spirituality doesn't have a name, I usually just describe it as evolution of consciousness.

>>Religion, I think, is a social and cultural codification of a spiritual philosophy.

I'd find religious dogma pretty funny if it weren't the cause of so many problems.

Kat

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Hi Kat,

I've tried to explain the difference to people over the years between spirituality and religion but they don't seem to get it.

They must be giving the JWs training these days in how to confront people as the pair that was here the other day were determined to tell me about the scriptures.

The only way to get rid of them is to be rude and I don't like that.
After I nearly had to chase them out of my yard they left a tract in my letter box.
That made me cranky.

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>>After I nearly had to chase them out of my yard they left a tract in my letter box. That made me cranky.

Next time just tell them you'd much rather stay dead than go to a heaven full of JWs for an eternity. In their 'system of things', those are your only two choices.

I'm surprised you didn't sic Captain on them. One nip from a parrot would sure send me running for the door. haha

Or, you could always post a warning on your gate, saying you've trained your huge parrot to shred ankles and lop off fingers with a single bite.

Kat

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For just such a purpose.

Actually I was beefing him up so he couldn't fly away again and now he can only fly from the ground to my shoulder.

I suppose his own lamb chop and mashed potato with butter every night has helped.

When the JW return I will open the door and release the parrot.
And then it's all in the hands of Jehovah.

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There used to be a house in the town in which I live (since demolished - the house, not the town), that had a notice on the gate "Beware, Catholic dog lives here". I presume it was to keep JWs at bay! Don't know if it worked or not.

Regards, Kathrinn

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I heard from a reliable source that telling visiting Jehovas Witnesses that you are a devout catholic makes them leave quickly. Haven't tried it myself.

Personally, I just tell them that I am comfortable in my belief and my relationship with God. Then I close the door.

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why do we see this so clearly, yet one's involved don't see it at all???????

Anyway, I have some close rellies who are JW's and they respect my non-belief. Although it makes them sad as they feel I will not be there to share in the heaven on earth belief of theirs. But we see each other and love each other and all is good with them. They are some of the lovelyest people I know.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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I left a comment for Anthony on his Ark of Covenant article, which is a very pleasant read. I brought up the quandry about instead of only targetting Christian belief system, how about moslems. I asked Tony, where did Muhammad get all his houris, how did he manage to transport them to paradise alive in sufficient numbers to meet future demand. How old do they have to be, do they stop aging once they hit paradise? I couldn't find answers to those questions in Koran or Hadiths.
Isn't it better to know the rather benign heaven bound all inclusive save souls of Christianity than be subjected to a billion moslems with visions of houris in their eyes, who don't nag them like their earth bound spouses, some of these guys are so fanatic they don't mind taking us all out on their way to their promised houri, and desert their earthbound spouse.

Imagine a billion or 2 folk who say we have the truth and its nuclear and we're gonna purify yer soul by blasting it away. JKs are rather meek and mild in comparison, no? I don't get upset with them, I get clinical, I ask them what happens if they don't get their reassuring pat on the head from their local sect leader for being good loyal troopies. I do the same with the mormons. Why inflict more misery in their lives than they already have. By virtue of them being indoctrinated to a point of knocking on doors in their copious spare free time, having door after door slammed in their face, that takes the patience of a saint.

It depends upon how you view yer feller human, are they a threat to yer immediate survival? do they bring down ET like plagues on ya for being rude to them? if not, think positive, there but for the grace of God go you or I. That could be yer next re-incarnation, if yer into that scene.

I am more upset with folk who provoke confrontation solely for using the response as grounds for over-reaction. Just look at Iraq, Afghanistan, Palestine, Lebanon. Look at Cindy Sheehan, she is still grieving a sacrificed son by cynical powers that be and they mock her instead of letting her use her pent up energy to be at eventual peace with herself.

This reminds me of what happened to my sister who lost her only son to a speeding drunk driver. The police botched the case so bad the killer got away with it. This was 25 years ago, she still grieves. Her husband couldn't understand how her grief persisted when he came to terms with his own after 10 years. I reminded my bro-in-law I lost a 4 y.o brother to cancer when I was 8 y.o, my mom never got over it til the day she died. After I put it in those terms he realized, like mother like daughter, she will take her grieving to the grave.

I can't approach my sister without going clinical if I expect to get past her grief barriers. She is the only girl in a group of 7 siblings. She has no significant other female to commiserate with. She don't want to burden her 4 daughters so they stand by helpless 'cuz they don't know how to get thru this anguish of hers, but I can. I tell them how to do it, but it means they have to give up their mother-daughter relationship and see and treat her as an equal. They want their mom to be their mom, they won't give up that bond.