News Briefs 14-12-2007

This should be enough news to keep you kids out of trouble for a while:

Thanks Greg.

Quote of the Day:

Today, nothing is more important to the future and credibility of science than liberation from the gravity-driven universe of prior theory. A mistaken supposition has not only prevented intelligent and sincere investigators from seeing what would otherwise be obvious, it has bred indifference to possibilities that could have inspired the sciences for decades.

David Talbott and Wallace Thornhill, from 'Thunderbolts of the Gods'

(Amazon US).

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Anonymous's picture
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The AIM probe has now returned the first truly global pictures of these phenomena which appear to be increasing in frequency and extent.

A clear example of "now that we are looking at these, it's clear that we are seeing them more often". Brilliant. Of course, the motivation behind the absurdity becomes clear as soon that link to "global warming" is mentioned. Why they failed to mention the GW link to the recent bizzarre behavior seen in Llama mating habits escapes me.

That's right up there with "the last minute of temperature readings are the warmest we've seen in the last 5 minutes. So obviously man is destroying the Earth since temperatures like this were never seen before Republicans existed. Oh, and Bush is a fungus.". Quick, give that man a research grant! And a Peace prize!

We are living in a perpetual April Fool's Day.

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At least the Marxists behind GW, and most of the issues embraced by the Left, are starting to be honest. Whether it's out of misplaced arrogance or despiration, who knows.

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‘Redistribution of wealth’

The environmental group Friends of the Earth, in attendance in Bali, also advocated the transfer of money from rich to poor nations on Wednesday.

“A climate change response must have at its heart a redistribution of wealth and resources,” said Emma Brindal, a climate justice campaigner coordinator for Friends of the Earth.

http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?F...

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Thank you Anonymous for keeping us informed of the boondoggle at Bali. They must be getting desperate to reveal their true agenda in such a blatant manner. Now that their plan has been exposed, I suggest that this would be a good time to relocate the UN to the East River. The area would make a nice parking lot that would be so much more useful.

Bill

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Bill and Anonymous,

I'm getting very tired of your constant sniping against GW and the Left, particularly when I haven't posted any GW news. If you wish to proselytize, get a blog. Otherwise, if you have nothing to say about the news I've actually posted, then don't say anything at all.

I linked to the article about high-altitude clouds because of its stunning images, not because there's a reference to GW. But I shouldn't have to defend my choice of news links to begin with.

I'm issuing a warning -- keep your posts relevant to the topics in the news briefs, or get a blog to do your soapboxing.

Thank you.

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I thought we were free to respond to comments in the news.

Bill

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I fail to see the relevancy of the Bali "boondoggle" to images of high-altitude clouds, Bill. You're free to comment, but it's the manner in which yourself and Anonymous are commenting that I take issue with.

I made an effort to keep this news brief GW-free, to avoid the comments section being flooded with Left vs Right arguments. Especially because I posted plenty of news I hope people will comment on and discuss. But you still found an angle to hammer us over the head about Marxist plots and GW boondoggle.

There are 10'000+ other TDG readers who I post for, Anonymous.

If you want to take the issue of moderation further, please feel free to email Greg -- I'm sure he needs a headache.

By the way, I refrained from posting an article detailing a magma hotspot being the cause of record ice melt in Greenland -- yes, I was going to post an anti-GW article! But I didn't want the comments section flooded with a GW argument -- you know exactly what I mean. How's that for free speech?

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I think the issue at hand here is trolling. Bill and Anonymous, you are free to comment on the news, and on tangential topics. That would include the GW issue, although it really is tangential in this case (Anonymous seems to have read more into that particular story than I can see in it), and it certainly is stretching things to say your comments were needed under today's news briefs. The best thing to do in this case probably would have been to post them as a blog here on TDG.

However, I understand Rick's frustration with Anonymous. He does not appear to be here to discuss/debate and evolve viewpoints, he seems intent on proselytising on behalf of his particular political philosophy (nearly always GW, to the exclusion of all else). He also exhibits trolling behaviour (baiting people by questioning people's intentions/intelligence, posting unneeded provocative comments like this one). He is not alone though.

The frustrations over the GW issue are evident on this board. Rick and Bill were both out of the line the other day - Rick with his Beavis and Butthead comment, and Bill with his statement that Bladerunner needed some help to read. Judging from the current poll though, there is actually very little interest from the majority of TDG readers in this topic. Meanwhile, many of those interested in the topic appear to be dogmatic on their stance and not open to discussing, conceding points, etc. I would therefore suggest that people find some other things to discuss rather than GW if they can't do it intelligently, using discretion and grace.

This board is among the best I've participated in, if you look elsewhere on the 'net there are some real horror stories (and I'm not giving myself a wrap there, but TDG contributors). There have been some slip-ups in recent times, so it's time take a deep breath, and get back to the usual high level of discussion.

To repeat the main rule on this board: show respect to others. That can take many shapes, from how you debate an individual on specific points, to asking whether your comment is worth posting in the first place. I think you're all intelligent enough to work it out.

Kind regards,
Greg
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I apologise for my part in all this, and for giving you a headache Greg. Check the sales figures for Darklore, that'll make you feel better. ;-)

Now excuse me, I need to take my dogmatism for a walk...

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If there's one subject I'm sick of it's this - and I only ever commented on it to counter other's views. I don't think I abused anything or anyone, but things are relative.
Free speech is a precious thing, but it requires self-discipline on the part of those who use it.

(Note: As this comment slipped under Rick, when I meant it to follow Greg, it doesn't apply to Rick, but the subject in general.)

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Friends of the Earth is an NGO, they are not part of any international diplomatic delegation representing any nation's government or political stance.

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It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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I watched that show. It IS awful. Too much religion involved and it's quite queer. it's like 1% investigation, 1% paranormal and 98% catholicism. i have no interest in religion. Most people don't so it's going to fail.

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I can hereby positively debunk that firemen saving cats from being stuck high up in trees is NOT a myth. After both my parents had passed I adopted their cat and he at some occasion after that got stuck up in a tree. One night he didn't get home and I got worried, went around the block but did not find him. Until I managed to locate him following the faint meows. I went back to the tree several times the following day, trying to trick him to climb back down, something I failed to do each time. On the second day I got kinda desperate and called the fire department. The only thing they said was that they first had a more legitimate case to take care of but that they would come soon after that. All I can say. is they delivered! This must have been back in 93-94 or something like that. Perhaps us swedes are more lucky than californians, who knows, but it is not a myth,

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You're right Rick, the nahual or nagual is the aztec name (or to be more precise, the name in nahuatl dialect, the tongue spoken by the peoples of Mexico's central valley) given the the animal spirit with which everyone is born. I suppose it is a remnant of a more primitive shamanistic tradition shared by most of the cultures of the american continent. After these tribes turned from nomadic hunter-gatherers to sedentarian farmers, much of that tradition evolved into more complex belief systems.

Like the gods of the classical pantehon, the aztec gods had also the ability to turn into animals to interact with humans. The god Tezcatlipoca is thus linked with the jaguar, and of course Quetzalcoatl is linked with the serpent and the quetzal bird, and a god that is linked to Quetzalcoatl and is referred as his "twin"(or double) is Xólotl, which in nahualt means dog.

Now it is interesting to see that Xólotl is referred in some tales as a montrous being with the head of a dog and having its feet backward, and I seem to recall that some people in the Amazonian jungle also describe the famous Mapinguari as having its feet backward. Hmmm...

Well, getting back to animal spirits, some people believed sorcerers had a much stronger link or affinity with their spirit animals, to the point that they could transform, or maybe transport their personality to the body of that specific animal. Thus the nahual can be used to describe a dark shape-shifter sorcerer, or brujo. The term "Diablero" seems to be used to name evil sorcerers with the ability to shape-shift, and it was also used in Castañeda's very first book,"The Teachings of Don Juan".

Once again the shape-shifting shaman or sorcerer is a commonly-held belief among many cultures from all the continents of the world.

Now, I do feel that what is described in the tale of the Dos Estrellas mine is a simmilar phenomenon of what is known as the "skinwalkers", don't you? And this business of the skinwalker seems to step into a lot of paranormal fields, including Ufology.

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Thanks for that, Red Pill. I can't imagine Catholics would take kindly to Nahual, so perhaps the gold mine monster could be attributed to Catholic bias? Similar to how Pan became the Devil in the eyes of Christianity.

Christians don't believe animals have souls either, so they'd definitely get their knickers in a knot over Nahual!

The skinwalker is an interesting comparison. I wonder if Colm Kelleher and George Knapp are aware of this tale?

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This latest discovery however signals that the sphere’s uses may be in conjunction with more social aspects of society with spheres being used as symbols of ones prestige or position of power. This would help provide evidence that the indigenous tribe did actually have the capacity to create a complex society and hierarchies.

Soooo... the bigger your balls, the higher your status?

Makes sense to me! :-)

PS: Jokes aside, I cannot imagine why there hasn't been a more thorough study to understand the nature and purpose of these enigmatic spheres.

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It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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Unless someone was neutering Rock Giants? ;-)

You're right Red Pill, it staggers belief that we know next to nothing about these giant stone spheres. Even more staggering is that the best exaplantion the 'experts' can come up with is a "my balls are bigger than your balls" social hierarchy. Do they expect us to take that seriously? It's hypocrisy -- they'd maul Graham Hancock if he came up with that. If the spheres were status symbols, then they would be found where people would see them, at temples and royal palaces -- not isolated, in the jungle, where no one would see them.

Alas, the stone spheres may remain a mystery forever.