Uncovering the Secrets of The Mayans

Mexican archeologists keep making exciting discoveries. Last year members of INAH (the National Anthropology Institute) successfully managed to insert a small robot in a tunnel deep inside a pyramid in Teotihuacan. Now another group of researchers managed to capture images of a burial chamber in the mayan capital of Palenque, sealed for the last 1500 years, by using a tiny videocamera the size of a matchbox:

[BBC News]Inside, the camera revealed nine black figures painted on blood-red walls, along with jade and shell fragments, which are believed to be part of a funerary costume.

But unlike in other tombs in Palenque, no sarcophagus has been found. "It is very probable that the fragmented bones are lying directly on the stones of the floor," Inah said. Experts say the tomb probably dates to between AD431 and 550, and could belong to the first ruler of Palenque - K'uk Bahlam I.

Another theory is that it could even belong to Ix Yohl Ik'nal, the city's early female ruler. Archaeologist Martha Cuevas said the tomb's proximity to other burial sites suggested it may be part of a royal necropolis.

The city of Palenque, located in the southeast of Mexico, gathered international attention thanks to the tomb of another Mayan leader, lord Pakal, and Erick Von Däniken's theory that the monolithic burial slab that covered his tomb was evidence of extraterrestrial visitors in the ancient past. This new burial chamber would be even older, though.

Considering Mexican scientists operate on a shoestring budget compared to the rest of their colleagues, findings like these are real credit to them; and it also shows that what's been discovered so far is just the tip of the iceberg.

To learn more about this new discovery, check this video at the BBC website.

[Thanks to Susan]

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I have seen several threads over the years at ATS that talk about the 'what if' when it comes to these kinds of finds.

What if the time line of civilization had bent slightly towards the Americas and it was an Aztec or Mayan explorer that landed in Europe or North Africa first?

The arguments were mostly valid. Had the European explorers... the Spanish conquistadors NOT set forth for another century or so, the chances were good that Europe would have been discovered by someone from the western hemisphere.

Civilization and culture might be a little different had it happened this way. But the opposite argument was that, even though navigational knowledge was well ahead of Europe's, ship building technology in the Americas was not advancing fast enough to produce vessels capable of crossing the oceans.

It then always fell back to the number of people and large population centers needed for scientific advancement. This concept makes some degree of sense... but is still arguable in the same breath.

But again... what if?

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I believe that in Columbus' accounts, in his 4th journey, he mentioned a giant Mayan barge of some kind capable of housing 40 men near the coast of Honduras. It was probably used to trade with the cultures of South America, but... like you said, who knows?

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Red Pill,

Compared to Indo-European Caucasian and Asiatic-Turkic Peoples, the vast majority of ethnic groups in this world are relatively peaceful. The Spanish were just finishing the reconquesta in 1492. The existance of the Americas was no secret. But like certain other things these days, people couldn't talk about it; eventhough, it could be proven. So, why not go to the Americas, La Merica. Furthermore, Europe needed resources and its greedy people needed land. With guns, they could steel both resources and land from Native Americans, Native Le Mericans. But, if guns had been invented in the Americas, Le Mericas, and the Europeans didn't have guns, the Europeans wouldn't have been able to ruin the Americas, Le Mericas. So, in my opinion, guns as opposed to sea faring ability made the difference!

What do you think?

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That certainly helped, but the fact is the Aztecs were a tyrannic empire, and the subjugated tribes didn't think twice about joining with the new kids on the block to get rid of their yoke... ironic, ain't it? ;)

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Red Pill,

I agree about the Aztecs. But, the Aztecs would have been overthrown sooner or later. And, in this case, I think that the cure was far worse than the disease.

What do you think?

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No argument there :)

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Just curious... does anyone know what the population of the Aztec Empire was say, circa 1492?

BTW... without ships, guns are useless on the Americas. Europe would have had to apply them upon themselves, lol... and they did!

Imagine an Aztec armada sailing up to the shores of North Africa or Portugal or Spain or even (gasp!) England!

Yeah, the guns would have worked to stop any invasion. Pretty quick, too.

I'm just curious though, how many Aztecs there were (or could have been) available to be mustered to fight off the Spanish...

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I'm finding that by the time of the Conquest, there were aprox. 25 million inhabitants in the whole of Mexico.

Tenochtitlan harbored no less than 130,000 citizens.

Cortez had about 500 soldiers with him.

BUT, by the time he vanquished the Aztecs, he had around 250,000 indians from other tribes as allies.

So we could actually conclude that the Conquest of Mexico wasn't performed by the Spaniards, but by the enemies of the Aztecs.

...Which brings about some interesting ideas re. notions of Alien invasions... and the need of a 5th column of enthusiast supporters among the human population.

So, to my fellow Grailer abductees out there? now you know why those MILAB SOBs hate your guts with a passion :P

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Uncovered! Uncut! Underage!

See video

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Huh??

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I can't expect all of mine to work :3

But the video WOULD be a Secrekit Mayan Surprise?

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