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News Briefs 10-08-2009

Tell me your favorite conspiracy theory, and I’ll tell you your political affiliation.

  • After being a wrestler, a movie star and a governor, what’s left to do? How about hosting a Conspiracy Theory TV show? Guess Jesse will not be invited to the Bohemian Grove again 😉
  • Dan Brown to suggest George Washington was a traitor? or even worse… a pirate??
  • From Freemasons to “Birthers”: The rise of D.C. conspiracy theories —until Obama shows us his original birth certificate, there’s every reason to doubt that he was born at all!
  • 10 amazing truths you already suspected, so go ahead & click the link, just to confirm your suspicions.
  • Cloud ships on course to beat climate change. Is as if Al Gore was using a Ouija board to ask Jules Verne for advise; so I feel it is only fair we design those ships with a more steampunk style 😉
  • Video: Elaine Morgan, almost 90 years old (!), and she can still kick Richard Dawkins’ ass when discussing her ‘aquatic ape’ theory.
  • 17 questions with alternative Egyptologist David Rohl —a 18th one would be: “where can one buy a cool hat like that, amigo?” 😛
  • Stunned archeologists have discovered that Walt Disney was envious of China’s first emperor —what a small wold this is 😛
  • Pterosaurs were such skilled flyers, that after being dead for 130 million years, they still manage to travel from China to Brazil.
  • Rex’s Anatomy: Scanning technique reveals fossils in 3D.
  • Have you checked for fossilized footprints in your garden lately?
  • Those ancient British really liked each other —so much that a dinner invitation was *very hard* to refuse.
  • A druid protester has collected thousands of signatures on a petition to return the human remains that were taken from Stonehenge —signatures?? that’s the best you pagans can do? couldn’t you send a few decapitated heads instead?
  • Tired of beating the crap out of New York for the umptenth time, Roland Emmerich now turns to Asimov’s Foundation Trilogy.
  • Ford almighty! Ridley Scott and Leonardo DiCaprio will bring a Brave New World to the movie theaters —but Leo is too short to be an Alpha!
  • A Perth resident —in western Australia— snaps a picture of misterious lights flying over the city.
  • Sleep paralysis: when you’re taken hostage inside your own body 🙁
  • Tracking the source of Gaia’s hum.
  • Astronomers release imagery of “exotic” star which spurts out regular ejections of matter, as a result of occasional interactions with a longtime companion —you find rude neighbors in every parsec…
  • If you have no home in land, then it’s time to conquer the seas: Two dozen Polish homeless men are building a ship to sail themselves around the world.
  • The luckiest kid on Earth lives in Paraguay.
  • Easter island has football debut —finding uniforms big enough for the local team must have been a bitch 😛

Thanks Kat, Greg & Moonchild.

Quote of the Day:

“Certitude is seized by some minds, not because there is any philosophical justification for it, but because such minds have an emotional need for certitude.”

Robert Anton Wilson

  1. David Rohl
    For a second there I thought Foo Fighter David Grohl had put his music on hold for the sands of Egypt. It’s the rock music background. 😉

    I’m sorry to say I have never read any of Rohl’s books. After the flood of alternative archaeology in the 1990s (pun intended), I felt a little washed out and took a break, ala Graham Hancock, the past — geezus, 8 years. The popular topic peaked with Zahi’s farcical FOX shenanigans, but it’s been pretty quiet since. But hoping for further investigation of the Great Pyramid’s shafts is like beating your head against a 5000-year-old brick wall. About time I put my fedora back on, I think, to soften the blows.

    ~ * ~

    @levitatingcat

    1. Heads up
      I share your feelings, Rick, but my (very reliable) contacts inform me that there are finally some important developments taking shape on and around the Giza Plateau (some involving A.R.E.), and that we’ll be hearing news within the next few months. We shall see…

  2. Re Obama Birth Cert
    I don’d know whether Obama was born in Kenya or Hawaii, but I do know that long before he had beaten Hilary Clinton to become a candidate for the presidency there was some doubt as to whether or not he was an American under the old rules. If he wasn’t then he wasn’t eligible to be a candidate.

    People were being hounded, smeared, blackmailed, into accepting the Hawaiin Birth Cert, and it was a very long time before any cert was available for all to see. There was even one version of a Kenyan cert which was bandied about, although I don;t know if it was genuine or not. My vote is still out on this story but I don;t dismiss it out of hand. It is possible that someone chose Obama without checking the rules into eligibility and later tried to cover up the truth rather than force him to stand down.

    Then again, the rules could have been changed at some point. Nationality rules do change frequently, and have totally different criteria depending upon the country, and the time period. I know, I have fallen foul of nationality rules both in my own country and elsewhere on the continent of Europe.

    It depends upon whether or not these rules are still justified today. If not, then the matter should be dropped. If they are still justified then the whole thing should be brought out into the open.

    Carol A Noble

    1. Storm in a teacup
      America was built by migrants — Irish, Italian, Polish… African. The Statue of Liberty bears the inscription:

      “Give me your tired, your poor,
      Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
      The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
      Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
      I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

      This is the ideal America was built on. So what if Obama was born in Kenya? He was only there as an infant, and grew up in Hawaii and continental America. In my opinion, many (but not all) of those who push the birth certificate conspiracy do so with ulterior motives (some with racism).

      Storm in a teacup. Build a bridge and get over it. Americans (and by default, the rest of us globally unwashed) have much bigger things to worry about.

      ~ * ~

      @levitatingcat

      1. U.S. Constitution
        The reason you must be a Natural Born Citizen to be the President of the United States is written clearly in:

        Article II – Section 1

        “No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States”

        Now the U.S. Constitution might be ‘Just a piece of Paper’ to you and ex-President Bush, but to many others, it is the very foundation of the USA. Don’t Undermine the Foundation.

        ASM

    2. WTF?
      It blows my mind that people are still even debating this. It all boils down to one simple question: if he was born in Kenya, how did his birth notice manage to find its way into the Hawaiin papers?

  3. Forget the Birth Certificate . . .
    . . . where’s the Passport!?!?!

    Here is the quote:

    “You do that in eighty countries,” Obama said, “You don’t know those eighty countries. So when I speak about having lived in Indonesia for four years, having family that is impoverished in small villages in Africa –knowing the leaders is not important — what I know is the people…I traveled to Pakistan when I was in college — I knew what Sunni and Shia was [sic] before I joined the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.”

    http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/04/obamas-college.html

    Pakistan, when Obama was in college, was on the “Advisory – Need Visa” list, meaning you could not go there without paperwork and permission. Such paperwork (or stamps) would be attached to his US Passport, if that’s what he used to travel. No record of this paperwork has ever been put forward by anyone, and most experts suggest he must have travelled with an Indonesian or British passport (either would throw into doubt his ‘Natural Born Citizen’ claim).

    Simply show the U.S. Passport with the approriate entry and exit visas and put the argument to rest . . . such an easy thing to do. So easy, we must ask ourselves, then why hasn’t it been done?

    ASM

    1. …I rest my case
      😉

      —–
      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

      1. What Case?
        Not meaning to be thick RPJ, but what do you mean? I’m not familiar with your stance on this issue so you could be applauding me or bashing me . . which is it?

        ASM

        1. Sorry,
          I was referring to the intro I wrote for today’s Newsbriefs:

          Tell me your favorite conspiracy theory, and I’ll tell you your political affiliation.

          It may be just me, but I see the “Birther” theory being heavily discussed in Fox news; while you see places like The Huffington Post discuss theories like the alleged link between vaccination and autism.

          Different conspiracy theories appeal to people according to their political spectrum. We use them as a way to reaffirmate our ethical and moral values: people on the extreme left-side of the spectrum are more than likely to be convinced JFK was killed by the CIA; people on the extreme right-wing are more than likely to believe Climate Change is a scam to make money and strip away the liberties of citizens —and if you believe in Roswell? well, then you’re just plain loco 😛

          PS: I’m aware these are gross generalizations, but I still think it’s interesting to discuss.

          PPS: I’m also being a bit sarcastic. After all, I happen to believe something crashed in Roswell 😉

          —–
          It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
          It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

          Red Pill Junkie

          1. Ok, I’ll bite . .
            Based on your ‘profiling’ of me where do I get my news? Let’s see how close you get 😉

            ASM

          2. Oh, please!
            That’s very easy to answer: you get your news from The Daily Grail —Duh! ^_^

            But maybe you read The New York Post once in a while? I hear they have very good crossword puzzles 😉

            PS: Grailers may be the exception to the rule; and rest assured I’m not trying to formulate a psychological thesis here. But, it’s plain to me that people who don’t favor Obama’s political stance will be more willing to pay attention to the allegations that he was not borne in the US—now that the “muslim card” has proven to be a dud 😛

            —–
            It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
            It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

            Red Pill Junkie

    2. birth and travel
      Strangely enough, Obama (or anyone) would be qualified if he was born in the USA, and then went to Kenia at the age of 2 weeks.

      Someone born in Hawaii before it was part of the US would also be eligible.

      Look at Arnold – has he lived in the US longer than Obama? My guess is yes. Arnold of course is not eligible.

      As for passports and visa in them – I have had many entry and exit stamps, and assorted pieces of colorful papers that various officials, who looked important in their mirrors, attached to my passports. I just don’t have the passports any more, these things expire. And I don’t keep all the old ones around.

      As fo birth certificates – what to they prove? Identity? Give me a break. Mine proves that some kid, with my name, wass born on a certain date in a certain place. Whether that is me, nobody can prove it one way or another.

      Hey that’s even better. Some poor little boy was born in Kenia, smuggled into Hawaii to fake the birth certificate. Then he was replaced by “Obama” whilst being in Indonesia.

      —-
      No amount of cursing at the round earth will make it flat.

    3. “Forget the birth certificate”???
      No, let’s not. Since you seem to have doubts, I’d be curious to get your own response to my question above–namely, how did Obama’s birth notice get into the Hawaiian newspapers? For that matter, how *could* it have? A basic working theory will do.

      1. Scan
        If you have a photograph of the entire page of that edition of the Honolulu Advertiser on Sunday, Aug. 13, 1961, I’d love to see it. All I have seen, or anyone that I know has seen, is scanned images containing just the Obama birth snippet which reads:

        “Mr. and Mrs. Barack H. Obama, 6085 Kalanianaole Hwy., son, Aug. 4”

        The only copies of this I have seen anywhere are only available on Microfilm . . which everyone knows is about as easy to forge as it is take a digital picture now-a-days.

        Show me the original aged paper and that I’ll take that ‘Fact’ as a Fact.

        ASM

        1. Complete records
          Okay, fair enough–I’ll make you a deal: I’ll come up with those as soon as you come up with George Bush’s complete military records. How does that sound?

          1. How Arrogant . . .
            . . to think you know me a shred enough to think that I defend or even care for George Bush. The day he took the election in 2000 I cried tears for the world. . . don’t bark up a tree unless you want to deal with the tiger that lives in it.

            ASM

          2. Evaporated Fact
            Oh, and so much for your ‘Fact’. Since I see you came up empty, you tried the ever popular tactic of redirection.

            There is no ‘proof’ in some unmonitored and privately held advertising rag, that isn’t even really a newspaper.

            I snidely sneer at your puny attempt.

            ASM

          3. I’ve always enjoyed the movie Roshomon
            No need to be snide, ASM. Clearly, we’re not going to agree on this; you’re of the opinion that anything can be faked (and even if I presented you with a copy of the original newspaper you could–and actually did, as I recall–say the parents could have set that up, too, for reasons of citizenship)–and you’re entitled to that opinion. I personally don’t find that to be a fruitful line of discussion, so we’ll have to leave it at that.

    1. Time slips
      [quote=terry1094]http://news.scotsman.com/entertainment/Interview-Robert-Cooper–Breaking.5532403.jp

      He claims his recent book Cracking the Freemason’s Code – The Truth about Solomon’s Key caused Dan Brown to change the title of his new novel from The Solomon Key to The Lost Symbol. “I don’t know what other changes my book caused, but as a Masonic historian, I deal in facts, not fiction.”

      Did Cooper’s book precede yours?[/quote]

      No. Cooper’s book was 2006, mine was originally published in 2004.

      Kind regards,
      Greg
      ——————————————-
      You monkeys only think you’re running things
      @DailyGrail

  4. OK, here we go! Obama and Eligibility
    The article was full of inaccuracies and there is a lot of misinformation out there.

    1) The U.S. Constitution (quoted above by ASM) requires the President to be a “natural born citizen”. What does this mean? You have to be born in the U.S. to TWO American citizens. Obama is ineligible. His father was a foreign national. McCain, FYI, was also ineligible, born in Panama. Unfortunately, our government pretends the Constitution does not exist without explicit Supreme Court rulings. The requirement at issue is so basic the Court has never ruled on it.

    2) Existing statutory law effectively treats all American citizens at birth as if they are “natural born”. Something to do with all of those worldwide troop deployments and not angering the soldiers with families. Obama’s mother was not old enough to fulfill the residency requirement under law (5 years after her 14th birthday) when she gave birth at 18 in order to make her child a citizen. The only way Barack Obama can be a citizen from birth is to have been born in the United States. An original Hawaiian birth certificate would then serve as proof under law, but not under the Constitution.

    3) No responsible authority verified Obama’s eligibility. None. Election officers accepted affidavits signed by Democratic Party officials. Congress simply ignored the question.

    4) The document at the head of the article is NOT a birth certificate. It is a document originally issued to those who did not have a birth certificate. Today, it is just a printout of summary data generated to save the clerks from making copies. Hawaii has not accepted these documents as proof of birth. Hawaii further refuses to confirm that they issued the document pictured. Additionally, the document contains inconsistencies. For example, the Father’s race is listed as “African”, a response that would not have appeared on a 1961 Hawaiian birth certificate.

    5) Contrary to the article and CNN, the original birth documents still exist and Hawaii admits it has them. However, the state refuses to detail the contents of the record (what type of document, etc.) and allow verification of it.

    What does it matter? The same Constitution guarantees my rights, like freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Changing something without due process (and there is a legal process) puts everything else in danger.

    1. What does it matter?
      What does it matter? The same Constitution guarantees my rights, like freedom of speech and freedom of assembly. Changing something without due process (and there is a legal process) puts everything else in danger.

      Applauds loudly!

      ASM

  5. Birth notice in the paper
    Back then in Hawaii (probably other places as well) you could manually fill out a birth certificate and send it in to the dept of records, who would duly note it without any followup. People gave birth at home all the time. Then the dept of records sends it along to the newspaper with all the others, and it gets listed.

    The Editor of WorldNetDaily will give $10,000 to anyone that can prove they were present at Obama’s birth. No privacy law would prevent someone from claiming it, yet to date no one has come forward. Sounds like an easy $10,000 for some retired doctor or nurse, eh?

    Why is he hiding it? My guess is that the original long form birth certificate lists no doctor and no hospital.

    1. Birth notice in the paper
      Perhaps I’m dreaming right now, or someone slipped LSD into my morning absinthe–but Zsitchin, are you really suggesting that the parents faked his Hawaiian birth 48 years ago? (For the record, the only other people present for my own birth, besides my mother, are now dead. So that paragon of objective journalism, WorldNetDaily, would have a very hard time verifying my U.S. birth. But then, I’ve often thought there was something fishy about my own birth…)

      1. not unreasonable
        It is perfectly reasonable to assume that some parents fake the location of a birth, to give the child better citizenship rights in the future.

        People travel to the US for 1 day to give the child US citizenship rights. Other people steal birth certificates. Why not fake one? Nothing earthshakingly strange about that.

        —-
        No amount of cursing at the round earth will make it flat.

        1. not unreasonable
          “perfectly reasonable”? Then one could claim that George Bush, Bill Clinton, and Ronald Reagan weren’t really natural-born Americans, since one could never completely disprove it, by your standards–as you say, these things can always be faked. No amount of proof could possibly settle this argument either way.

          Just a suggestion, but you might try I’d laying off of FOX news for a while, Earthling.

          1. calm down
            This has nothing to do with FOX or any assumptions about presidents.

            I am saying there are motivations to give a child US citizenship, either legally or through fakery.

            If you consider that an attack on president Obama, I suggest you lay off the caffeine. Sugar does similar things to your system, so don’t try Red Bull.

            —-
            No amount of cursing at the round earth will make it flat.

          2. Common Sense
            No, I don’t consider it an attack on Obama, just an attack on common sense. I’ve worked for newspapers, and to think that his parents were somehow able to get a notice in the Hawaiian newspaper about their son’s birth stretches credulity to the breaking point.

          3. easy
            The point is that this kind of thing is relatively easy to do, not that it was done in this case. The newspaper believes the official record, and the official record can be falsified. The number of people involved is small.

            And my related point is that using a birth certificate as proof of identity, of an adult, is blatantly silly.

            —-
            No amount of cursing at the round earth will make it flat.

          4. Build a bridge, America
            Americans should be worrying about those being born now and the future they face, rather than where Obama was born. It’s a needless distraction, while those responsible for the mess our world is in continue to get away with it.

            Besides, Obama’s a Reptoid from Sirius. Get your conspiracies straight. 😛

            ~ * ~

            @levitatingcat

  6. Thank you RPJ!
    Thanks for the shout out.

    As for conspiracy theory- if cats didn’t have opposing thumbs, ,they would take over the world. Mine always dreams of total world domination.

    Since they don’t, they need someone to open the cans of tuna, and clean the litter box. Hence, they cannot take over the world.

    1. HUH?
      [quote]Since they don’t, they need someone to open the cans of tuna, and clean the litter box. Hence, they cannot take over the world.[/quote]

      My friend: they already have hoomans who do THAT for them.

      They HAVE taken over the world!! 😉

      We should have worked harder on evolving cute big eyes and whiskers instead of opposable thumbs.

      —–
      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

      1. owning the world
        I keep telling people – it’s the wheat and rice, maize and barley. The rest are just here to help the grains procreate.

        —-
        No amount of cursing at the round earth will make it flat.

  7. Obama Birth Place
    The ongoing “Is Obama a natural born American?” belief proves people who formulated their own version of events cannot be convinced otherwise no matter how much evidence is presented. For example, the Moon Landing Hoaxers…idiots, every one of them.

    😛

    Cheers.

    1. Yeah
      Same goes for the ones who believe Global Warming is a scam forged by the UN and big corporations, right? 😛

      —–
      It’s not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me…
      It’s all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

      Red Pill Junkie

  8. Is Hawai even a US state?
    I ask this question because I read recently somewhere (I can’t remember exactly where) that the people of this island rejected the chance of being part of the US, but the US kept saying that this place had become a state, and said it for so long, that finally everyone believed it! If it isn’t actually a state the Obama would still not be classed as a US citizen – or would he?

    Just trying to stir the waters a little – no offence meant.

    Carol A Noble

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