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News Briefs 24-02-2011

The Final Countdown.

Thanks N. H. Redington –whose name is a cool anagram for Hot Nerd Gin 😉

Quote of the day:

“What is not acceptable is the fact that the most powerful nation in the world, the United States of America, finds itself in a situation that we didn’t do the proper planning to have a vehicle in place to replace shuttle when it lands its last landing in June.”

Charles Bolden, NASA administrator.

  1. Sentience is bad for business
    [quote=red pill junkie]

  2. Sheep as smart as humans, say scientists. I for one still find lamb tastier, though –don’t ask me how I know this…[/quote]
    That article raises too many questions. Is it from generation after generation they are gaining intelligence? What about other farm animals? Oh no!

    I wonder if monkeys given the same amount of time man has been herding sheep(~10,000 yrs)coupled with today’s technological and practical ability to educate would become a further advanced being. But then again that is a damn long time for an advanced civilization to be around, I would imagine we would be indestructible self-sustained demigods surfing the cosmos by then. So what would we give a shit?!

    A must have for anyone’s intergalactic playlist

    1. The super-crash M.O.

      I wonder if monkeys given the same amount of time man has been herding sheep(~10,000 yrs)coupled with today’s technological and practical ability to educate would become a further advanced being

      There’s a quicker way 😉

  3. What is not acceptable… but nonetheless unavoidable

    “Was the shuttle program worth it?”

    Worth what?
    The billions in flight and up-keep expenses?
    The 14 lives lost between Challenger and Columbia?
    The 20-some-odd years when NASA ceased thinking – at least, seriously – about anything except low-Earth orbit?

    The shuttle was positioned to be the next step to a further expansion into space. And it did succeed in a number of things… like building the ISS, birthing Hubble and filming all those funny little glowing, pulsing and darting whatcha-ma-callits that NASA refuses to talk about.

    But we’ve been talking about moon bases and journeys to Mars since Apollo. The shuttle was supposed to be a part of a future that has never arrived… or ever even likely to.

    “What is not acceptable is the fact that the most powerful nation in the world, the United States of America, finds itself in a situation that we didn’t do the proper planning to have a vehicle in place to replace shuttle when it lands its last landing in June.”

    The United States is contracting, receding, ebbing, devolving on so many different levels… and it is all quite by design. At first glance, you might wonder why because, short of allowing its industrial plant to ship overseas and being so utterly content to remain dependent on oil (foreign and otherwise) for energy, there’s no need for any of it.

    But the US has now, obviously, chosen to pass the torch to China and it will be they who build the next generation of spacecraft to explore the solar system. It will be they who take the next century and call it their own.

    In a way, this may be a good thing, too, because it is impossible to please all Americans, all the time. Trying to do the same for an entire planet has created more enemies than friends. In a decade or so, when the US is no longer the dominant global power, the world can learn to hate the Chinese someone else.

    And perhaps we will see some new efforts in space from those private enterprises that have remained on home soil… someday.

    The Space Shuttle is a glorious machine; the single most complex form of transportation ever conceived and built by man. That it should be allowed to exit history’s stage without something more than a whispered farewell, is just as sad as what has happened to that once proud land that first launched her.

    Yeah… it was worth it. Just wish it had not been the end of the effort.

    1. Small step for a man…
      [quote]
      The Space Shuttle is a glorious machine; the single most complex form of transportation ever conceived and built by man,
      [/quote]
      That has been the problem. The step in complexity from the Apollo machinery was too big, and taken too early.

      This has resulted in some difficulties, and perhaps one of the accidents. More importantly, it has resulted in delays. Really long delays. And since during these delays the people working on it continue to get paid, and the other ongoing expenses keep on going, the cost per launch has risen dramatically.

      Because the step up in complexity was too big, goals were scaled down.

      So in hindsight, a better approach would have been to make a smaller orbiter for the manned missions, carrying astronauts and on-orbit workers only. Then launch the big heavy things with bid dumb launchers. The second part of this was done anyway, several satellites the size of Hubble were launched that way. Throwing away much of the Apollo knowledge was not such a great choice.

      1. One-size-fits-all craft
        Good points raised by the both of you.

        I think the main problem is that the shuttle’s main objective was never clear. Not even to NASA’s administration.

        Was it supposed to be a space taxi for the astronauts en-route to the ISS —or at that time the more-ambitious Freedom space station? was it supposed to be a construction platform for other exploration vessels in a near-Earth orbit? was it supposed to be a re-usable platform for launching satellites, including the ones intended for national security projects?

        The answer to all those questions was ‘yes’. THAT was the problem.

        Now, the Conspiranoid part in me is not averse to the idea that the Americans developed an all-black secret space program away from the public scrutiny. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Pentagon already had a reliable shuttle orbiter that could replace the many of the more covert functions performed by the shuttle.

        And even the other Fortean part in me also likes to speculate that many of the exploration efforts shown by NASA 40 years ago were choked by something they found in the blackness of space.

        The idea that we were shown in no uncertain terms that we were not welcome at the Moon is not that outrageous to me.

        1. … and slowly, and surely, we drew our plans against ourselves.
          [quote=red pill junkie]Now, the Conspiranoid part in me is not averse to the idea that the Americans developed an all-black secret space program away from the public scrutiny. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Pentagon already had a reliable shuttle orbiter that could replace the many of the more covert functions performed by the shuttle.

          And even the other Fortean part in me also likes to speculate that many of the exploration efforts shown by NASA 40 years ago were choked by something they found in the blackness of space.

          The idea that we were shown in no uncertain terms that we were not welcome at the Moon is not that outrageous to me.[/quote]

          There are two main schools of thought on this…

          One is the basic Kennedy legacy of “… going to the moon in this decade…” and that much was indeed done. It took Sputnik to get America into space and an assassination to fly us to the Sea of Tranquility. Beyond that, though, may take another kick in the pants or worse to get us back again.

          The second is like you mentioned and if someday we find that there has been an international effort in space that has also been as black as the ace of spades, I for one would not be surprised. And if it was announced that the moon had a ‘No Trespassing’ sign out, that would be just as equally unsurprising.

          Either way, though… America’s (real) manned space program seems to have gotten stuffed and baked sometime after Apollo 17… or Apollo 20, depending on the conspiracy of your preference, lol.

          Also, I’m still waiting for something to either delay or cancel out the MSL mission…

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