Dan Mitchell 'reviews' Nick Redfern's new book 'Final Events' on his blog Luminosity

For those of you on this thread that haven't been regular readers, Dan's new post is a review of sorts of Nick Redfern's new book, 'Final Events':

http://wellofhighstrangeness.blogspot.co...

I haven't read it yet, I was thinking about it but I'll definitely be ordering it now.

Apart from Dan's grasp and interpretation of Guenon, I found the following paragraph striking:
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A common dream that many abductees often have is that of witnessing a literal alien invasion. I have had this dream countless times in many variations. The most common of which is walking through a field and approaching a bridge. While in this field, the backdrop of my dream is seeing alien ships flying everywhere. This dream always leaves me with a sense of dread and wonder at the same time. Also there is a sense that I am witnessing a future event, mainly the world going crazy while this independence day scenario plays out. I get the strong sense that "they" would much rather I go with the sense of wonder than the dread that is also present. Whatever variation this dream comes in, I am always aware that I am on my way to meet certain people at certain places because I have a job to do. The "event" is simply my activation, which finally allows me to access the information that has been hidden from my conscious mind.

Striking because I've had this dream at least once that I remember, except for being aware having a job to do. Now, I'm one of those philosophical Forteans, you know, one that's never had a remotely classical Fortean experience but finds the 'logic' irrefutable. So I'm almost sure that I'm not an experiencer or abductee but that dream was something else ...

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Personally, I feel his view of "invasion" is too literal. If UFOs landed on the proverbial White House lawn this would also be an invasion of a kind. It could even lead to war - fundamentalists of all stripes going crazy. So it would not necessarily have to be an "Independence Day" scenario. Not that any kind of war is a good scenario.

Also, don't really get his argument against the New Age. I'm no crystal-wearing New Ager, but being of "one consciousness" does not mean that there is no diversity and no ego. And the New Age inviting the Ufonauts into our realm may be the spark of world war, but not because the New Age is bad, but because people's resistance to the paradigm shift would be traumatic. In all, the post seems like a mish-mash of fear that could be against the wrong targets.

P.S. the link is missing an "m"

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Thanks for the reply, Henry. And for spotting the typo, but it seems that you can't go back and edit user stream news subs.

I've been following your blog for a few weeks now as well as the guest posts you've been doing and will be ordering your book soon.

I take your point - but if you've studied Guenon and the Traditionalists http://bit.ly/buFz9 in any depth the critique is not inexplicable. Without going into great detail involving the logic on an Absolute of infinite possibility, ever diminishing cosmic cycles and increasing counter-initiatory forces and deceptive entities, it's like the difference between pantheism (all is God) and panentheism (God contains yet always exceeds the universe). Combined with the metaphysical solipsism of a large sector of the cultic milieu, this has been strongly correlated to psychotic outcomes. For example, below is a link to a paper given at the recent CENSURE conference at Torino, Italy titled “I am the God of Everything:” The Development of (Self)-Destructive Panenanthropism in Popular Youth Culture by Melanie J. van Oort – Hall

http://www.cesnur.org/2010/to-oort.htm

- which deals with the metaphysical solipsism at the heart of the Colombine massacre and its origins in certain kind of new age thinking.

So you are right: by this logic, They wouldn't even have to show Themselves - Disclosure would be enough to break down the Wall that Dan refers to as the psychosis spread and reached a tipping point.

I'm not an experiencer by any means; I'm a philosophical Fortean, for want of a better term. And having studied the history of Spiritualism, Theosophy and related groups as well as UFO cults and the various channelled teachings upon which the New and Next Age are usually based, I know enough to be wary of the Trickster, who is not always a smiling whimsical uncle ...

So is this a new development in online experiencer testimony? It seems that reactions to Dan are mostly limited to a handful of blogs: yours, hidden experience, Secret Sun, From the Shadows, and that strange new post over at ofscarabs.blogspot.com that argues against Dan's position but only alludes without providing a direct reference/URL.

David.

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Thanks a lot for checking out what I've written and for the links. I checked out the Cesnur link and honestly I find it sort of absurd. Blaming "God" on what people have done in the name of God doesn't make a lot of sense. This is no different than blaming abortion clinic bombers on the teachings of Christ, or Islamic terrorism on all of Islam. The logic goes: the sun causes skin cancer and makes things grow - therefore, the sun causes cancer.

There is no doubt people can do horrible things with religion. But we're living in a time of interpretation, not certainty. Anyone who believes that "all is one" "life is a dream" is a reason to kill a school bus full of children is a lunatic. It has nothing to do with the concept of "life is a dream."

I don't know what would happen during a time of certainty about the nature of God. Imagine if UFOs landed and somehow proved that "all is one" is a literal concept and life is a dream. In order to see this, our brains would probably have to evolve to see these changes in motion - or else it would just be another idea. Would this make people think that life is equally worthless, or would it increase its meaning?

Maybe they'd prove as well that there was life after death. This could, yes, lead to genocide because people would see no problem with sending others to the afterlife. It would be chaos and the tricksters would have done their work. But maybe at that point we'd have a totally different conception of mortality and the reasons people are alive. In other words, killing people would be the gift, life is the punishment. Again, the tricksters might be successful - because they'd be using people to their own ends. Or, maybe, this would be progress.

These are all sci-fi scenarios. But I'm just suggesting if we had a literal understanding of the nature of God, this would change the fabric of society totally. Right now, what we have is fundamentalists using their interpretation for horrible ends. But you can't blame the message for the interpretation.

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About the CENSUR article: I stress that correlation is not casuation. I found it overreaching but plausible in some cases. Having been born male may correlate to spatial capabilities superior to that of a woman - except in my case where I can't read a map. I think a good control would be India - Hinduism has had every version of metaphysical solipsism possible yet you don't hear a lot about New Age-induced psychosis.

Traditionalists have often suggested that vulgarizations of formerly esoteric teachings - like the New Age - are simply the flipside of of our age, where all such teachings are now readily available to all and sundry. So to be fair all these formerly hidden truths are by now widely known. In fact for me the amazing thing is how little impact that has on most people's behaviour.

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"In earlier posts I have explained that the main tenant of the new age movement is this so-called "unity/oneness" teaching. For me, I absolutely despise this teaching because all meaning, love, profundity and existence dies in such undifferentiated unity."

This writer is just saying things without really thinking. The idea that "unity/oneness" is exclusive to "new age" thought is just ludicrous, and then to follow that with a bizarre take on the ramifications is just well...bizarre.
I must also point out that the writer us saying "tenant" when he really means "tenet."

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Luminosity reminds me of this:

See video

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All that lives is holy, life delights in life.

--William Blake