I never did buy into the "slave" theory. It doesn't surprise me that they have just about ruled it out.
The archaeology looks quite solid. It *is* worth keeping in mind though that Zahi seems to love batting down the slave theory in order to combat claims that it was the Jewish people that actually built the pyramids.
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Zahi doesn't like them Zionists, that's for sure. Who can forget his rant at a private conference, and the 2000 capstone shenanigans. So Zahi does have a bias towards proving that it was free Egyptians, not slaves (and certainly not Jewish slaves) who built the pyramids. Memo to Zahi though: they were Egyptians, not Arabs. ;-)
How many worker tombs have they found? The article doesn't mention this. As Floppy suggests, perhaps these workers were for the capstone, and not for the pyramid proper. But I'm not an Egyptologist.
Anyway, who built the pyramids doesn't bother me. It's why they were built that's the million dollar question.
Posted by earthling on 11 Jan 2010 at about 14:07.
They were built for the same reason that big monumental buildings at every other place and at every other time where built. Why would there have been any other reason?
Posted by red pill junkie on 11 Jan 2010 at about 15:37.
I agree that the 'why' is the important question.
A monument is built to commemorate something. But the thing worth commemorating can vary from culture to culture. It might be to remember a great leader, or a great battle, or a great tragedy (9/11 anyone?).
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Posted by earthling on 11 Jan 2010 at about 19:19.
It is usually built for bragging rights. As in,
"we have the best..." or "we have the most...",
or "he was the biggest..."
What's the big secret? Ok it is interesting to
some degree what in particular they were bragging about.
But there is nothing magical about that. Why would there be?
Posted by thefloppy1 on 11 Jan 2010 at about 07:29.
I remember watching the doco done by lehner and ZH a fews years ago when Mark Lehner discovered these workers villages and so forth. I was never convinced with the story they told. Firstly, to build the pyramids would indeed take an enormous work crew. There just was not enough sleeping quarters and food prep areas to surport the people needed. Secondly, there would have to of been second and even third such places just to surport the food suppliers and then the one to support them. It just does not add up.
But, my theory is that these "construction crew" dwellings and eateries where actually for the people who took the capping stones away and face stones away. That, to me makes sence. You would not need a hugh crew to do this. That would put the tombs of the crew leaders, foreman and such, as free men and this would also throw much doubt on the construction date of the GP. Which I believe to be much older then said dateing.
With the lack of any inscription, except for a jubious piece of grafiti, the GP really has no indication that it was for a tomb of any pharaoh. But there is an inscription above the true entrance which as yet has not been deciphered.
It's a bit like evolution, when you look at it logically and take all the facts into consideration, it just does not add up.
I believe the Jews were in Egypt for 400 years. Moses lead them out approximatly 1500bc. That does not add up either with the time. Or am I wrong here, better go get the bible out and have a read........
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Posted by Charles Pope on 12 Jan 2010 at about 03:18.
That's a really great insight. I've always suspected that the workman's village was part of a restoration effort (rather than the original construction), however to "mine" the pyramids for building up Cairo also would have required some level of organization.
If the original construction took place in the 4th Dynasty, then it obviously would have required every able-bodied person, and that only happens by force. If the original construction was pre-Dynastic, then it didn't have to be completed in a single generation or even in a century's time.
Other explanations are always possible, including the correct one.
Posted by earthling on 12 Jan 2010 at about 03:27.
The correct explanation? No we can't have that. What would people speculate about if we knew the correct explanation?
But while we are on the subject of the dis-assembly effort - they only took the outer most layer off the pyramids. Did they not have the technology to disassemble the whole thing,
even for some smaller pyramids?
Or perhaps that was because the exterior was from more desirable materials.
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31 December 2009
1 year 45 weeks
I never did buy into the "slave" theory. It doesn't surprise me that they have just about ruled it out.
I think. Therefore, I am dangerous.
30 April 2004
11 min 13 sec
I never did buy into the "slave" theory. It doesn't surprise me that they have just about ruled it out.
The archaeology looks quite solid. It *is* worth keeping in mind though that Zahi seems to love batting down the slave theory in order to combat claims that it was the Jewish people that actually built the pyramids.
Kind regards,
Greg
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You monkeys only think you're running things
@DailyGrail
2 May 2004
10 hours 25 min
Zahi doesn't like them Zionists, that's for sure. Who can forget his rant at a private conference, and the 2000 capstone shenanigans. So Zahi does have a bias towards proving that it was free Egyptians, not slaves (and certainly not Jewish slaves) who built the pyramids. Memo to Zahi though: they were Egyptians, not Arabs. ;-)
How many worker tombs have they found? The article doesn't mention this. As Floppy suggests, perhaps these workers were for the capstone, and not for the pyramid proper. But I'm not an Egyptologist.
Anyway, who built the pyramids doesn't bother me. It's why they were built that's the million dollar question.
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@levitatingcat
22 November 2004
1 week 6 days
They were built for the same reason that big monumental buildings at every other place and at every other time where built. Why would there have been any other reason?
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We are the cat.
12 April 2007
1 hour 4 min
I agree that the 'why' is the important question.
A monument is built to commemorate something. But the thing worth commemorating can vary from culture to culture. It might be to remember a great leader, or a great battle, or a great tragedy (9/11 anyone?).
It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
22 November 2004
1 week 6 days
It is usually built for bragging rights. As in,
"we have the best..." or "we have the most...",
or "he was the biggest..."
What's the big secret? Ok it is interesting to
some degree what in particular they were bragging about.
But there is nothing magical about that. Why would there be?
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We are the cat.
12 April 2007
1 hour 4 min
But by learning why they were bragging about, we could learn a whole lot more about the builders —what they cared about, what they didn't...
It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
1 May 2004
1 day 9 hours
I remember watching the doco done by lehner and ZH a fews years ago when Mark Lehner discovered these workers villages and so forth. I was never convinced with the story they told. Firstly, to build the pyramids would indeed take an enormous work crew. There just was not enough sleeping quarters and food prep areas to surport the people needed. Secondly, there would have to of been second and even third such places just to surport the food suppliers and then the one to support them. It just does not add up.
But, my theory is that these "construction crew" dwellings and eateries where actually for the people who took the capping stones away and face stones away. That, to me makes sence. You would not need a hugh crew to do this. That would put the tombs of the crew leaders, foreman and such, as free men and this would also throw much doubt on the construction date of the GP. Which I believe to be much older then said dateing.
With the lack of any inscription, except for a jubious piece of grafiti, the GP really has no indication that it was for a tomb of any pharaoh. But there is an inscription above the true entrance which as yet has not been deciphered.
It's a bit like evolution, when you look at it logically and take all the facts into consideration, it just does not add up.
I believe the Jews were in Egypt for 400 years. Moses lead them out approximatly 1500bc. That does not add up either with the time. Or am I wrong here, better go get the bible out and have a read........
"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.
23 October 2009
16 weeks 5 days
That's a really great insight. I've always suspected that the workman's village was part of a restoration effort (rather than the original construction), however to "mine" the pyramids for building up Cairo also would have required some level of organization.
If the original construction took place in the 4th Dynasty, then it obviously would have required every able-bodied person, and that only happens by force. If the original construction was pre-Dynastic, then it didn't have to be completed in a single generation or even in a century's time.
Other explanations are always possible, including the correct one.
22 November 2004
1 week 6 days
The correct explanation? No we can't have that. What would people speculate about if we knew the correct explanation?
But while we are on the subject of the dis-assembly effort - they only took the outer most layer off the pyramids. Did they not have the technology to disassemble the whole thing,
even for some smaller pyramids?
Or perhaps that was because the exterior was from more desirable materials.
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We are the cat.