In light of the Flores discovery, what do you think about the chances of finding anomalous species alive today?

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Rick MG's picture
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Hopefully, the discovery of Homo Floresiensis fossils dated to 12'000-18'000-years-old raises the big question: What happened at the end of the Last Ice Age? Sundaland, the massive continental shelf off the Malay Peninsula that was once dry land until the end of the Last Ice Age, should be seriously investigated. In his book Eden in the East, Stephen Oppenheimer clearly shows massive flooding changed the landscape of Southeast Asia as early as 9000BC! I'm amazed this hasn't been raised yet, and I fear this important aspect of Homo Floresiensis' life (the end of the Last Ice Age) will be ignored by the experts.

Flores Island only became an island at the end of the Last Ice Age approximately 12'000 years ago. Before then it was part of a huge landmass. I can not believe the experts have made this mistake. The "Island Effect" theory, that HF evolved a small stature due to isolation on a tiny island, is a big mistake when you consider there was no Flores Island during the HF's evolutionary period! They lived on a huge landmass that only became a series of islands and archipelagos when sea levels rose at the end of the Last Ice Age. Before then, they lived on eastern Sundaland. The Island was formed 12'000 years ago, at the very end of the fossil record for HF!

Rick

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I'd ignore the 12000 years ago date, though not necessarily an Age of Ice (to be distinguished from the scientific usage of Ice Age). The Inuit maintain that the Arctic was originally populated by little people in their myths. The people of Flores speak of the Ebu Gogo which were a little people. The Irish have their little people in myth and probably a large number of cultures have their own version. Personally, I'll never forget the time I met one of the little people - and very civil they are these days too.

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>>Personally, I'll never forget the time I met one of the little people - and very civil they are these days too.

Wish you'd write a blog telling us about that little episode. ;-)

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If you look back through TDG you will see where I wrote about a little person my Grandda called a leprechaun that he brought here with him from the old country.
I never had a single reason in my life to doubt Grandda, if he said he had a leprechaun living up the back, then he did.

shadows

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Reminds me of fiction by the authors Charles De Lint (who wrote an entire series of books where overseas mythical creatures travel with migrants to the new world) and Neil Gaiman (American Gods is one of the best books I've ever read). Perhaps these authors know something we don't? ;-)

"Read like a butterfly, write like a bee." - Philip Pullman

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Rico, is that the name of the book, American Gods, by those authors?
I will get it.

shadows

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Greg isn't that short, is he? ;-)

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Although I agree that little people myths may have some origination in the fact that tiny humanoids coexisted with man not long ago, the idea that there are "little people" or "giants" doesn't take up alot of imagination to invent. Therefore, I think little stock should be taken into "tales of little people," and instead, people should focus on finding more scientific evidence about them.
I'm not sure of the scientific evidence about whether Flores in particular was an island or not at that time, but I know that many of the islands of today were connected to the continents when the sea level was lower during the ice age. Thus, if they forgot to mention that Flores was not an island at the time, that surely is an idiotic mistake, especially considering the islands of Indonesia are so close to mainland Asia and each other.

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If you haven't heard of the Orang Pendak, the recent news of the discovery of Homo Florensis may spark your interest. The Orang Pendak has been reported living in the tropical jungles of the island of Sumatra for the last 200 years. The Orang Pendak is described as a hairy hominid which walks on 2 feet and is about 3 to 4 feet tall. Native Sumatrans see it in the few unlogged areas in the interior on a regular basis and one western anthropologist saw a brief glimpse of one just last year! The Orang Pendak is one of the most interesting animals in the field of cryptozoology and expeditions of trained observers have gone to Sumatra in search of it in 2004. Hopefully, this amazing creature will be described by scientists before it becomes extinct as the wilderness areas of Sumatra fall before the chain saws of the greedy international lumber companies. The discovery of Homo Florensis may help in the protection of the Orang Pendak if the attention of world is drawn to its plight.

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I think you're onto something there. In fact, I figured out the same thing independantly, although I haven't yet published anything.--ed. of Nebraska Anomalous Investigations

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This discovery is very significant and can be fully
appreciated if one reads an older book written by
Ivan T. Sanderson which provides a survey of all of
the reported sightings to date at it's release as to
bi-pedal homonids worldwide considered to be other than
modern man. I do not have the title of book at hand, but
if the Authors name is searched it is easy enough to
locate. This website is the best!

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The child within always wonders if we are alone. That's why we look for answers to mysteries like ghosts, bigfoots, extraterrestrials and such. That's why this "hobbit" discovery is so exciting.

The child intuits what the scientist cannot yet prove.

We are indeed NOT alone. To paraphrase the Bard, There is more to our world than we dream of.

I believe that it's just a matter of time. Sooner or later, each mystery will be solved.

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Hi Terrence,
Beautifully put, if I may say so.
That's it in a nutshell, what I have been trying to say for years...the child intuits what the scientist cannot yet prove.

Well done mate.

shadows

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Thank you, shadows.

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The Ogre i keep getting page not found when i click on the links on the main page is this happening to everyone or just seattle wa?

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Actually it was CIA black-ops taking us out on election day Ogre. Either that or the gremlins did something weird to my computer today (twas my fault, fixed now though - sorry for any inconvenience).

Peace and Respect
Greg
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I am so glad to see that you guys have come home to your original formatting...I'm sorry that I had to abandoned ship when you changed or merged with someother board...it was just to hard to filter to get the good stuff.

I just happened to be going through my favorites and clicked on "the Daily Grail" and at first I thought it to be a page from the past that may have been stuck on a server someplace. When I started reading I realized that it was current...very current and its good to see you back at your roots and better than ever. I looked all over for an email address to thank you personally but could not find a link...and that is understandable. Thanks again.

Wired

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The same thing happened to me a while back. Phenonoma(sp?)is a good online mag and if the print version would get to me (via supposed or purported paid subscription)when it comes out I would like it even more. Like you though I found it tedious and time consuming to even find "The Grail" there. I just happened to try my old link and to my utter amazement it was there before me! Keep up the good work. This is the BEST news gathering site on the net.
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Anonymous's picture

Stupid question.
You only have to look at monkey boy bush.

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Hey, we're talking about TINY HUMANOIDS here, not tiny brained brats

JBro

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We consider ourselves so intelligent, we know most things, problems can be easily solved etc. If such be true then why do we still wantonly kill each other?
We attempt to explore "outer-space" yet we know so little of this Earth. How would we accept a superior intelligence looking at us?
Is this immense universe here for our purpose only?
Think! We still have superstitions about black cats. There must be more than we imagine.