Who Built the Pyramids?

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I voted other because I think there's reason to suspect the great Pyramid is far older than the other two, and was built for other reasons than containing the Pharaoh Khufu's mummy.

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I voted that the egyptians built the pyramids willingly. But I have one exception. The Great Pyramid is so much better constructed than the others. It's almost as if the others were later copies,never living up to the original. Contrary to what Egyptologists tell us there is no proof that anyone was ever entombed there. Due to several attempts at repair of the pyramid by later pharoahs the "proofs" that it was built by any named pharoah is left into question. The marks may have been by the pharoah's repair group. No one can satisfactorily explain how the Great Pyramid could have been built at a time when tools would have been copper. There are tool marks at the rock quarry that indicate far more techological tools were employed at cutting those stones. Mark Lerner was going to show the world how to build a pyramid and he failed miserably even when he employed modern heavy equipment.The Great Pyramid was probably built by ancestors of the ancient Egyptians who lived in a more advanced civilization prior to the Great Flood of Noah. It and the Great Sphinx appear to be much older than other structures at Giza. No one in scientific circles wants to think there was a worldwide cataclysm that sent mankind back to the stoneage but there are anomalies out there that defy explaination. Dry unproven theories just don't cut it.

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How about this for the Great Pyramid:

perhaps it was the last one built. With all the experience of
the other pyramids, and with some more advanced tools, they managed to build a bigger and better pyramid.

However it took too long for the intended occupant to move in. Perhaps he was out of favour by the time the burial site was to be constructed.

In any case, having achieved all there was to achieve in the area of pyramid building, they developed a new fashion in monumental architecture.

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It's all well and good that some of you think that the Egyptians were capable of this. However, there is a big problem. Many of the stones, which weigh hundreds of tons, aren't even indigenous to Egypt!! How did they transport them. Are you telling me that they were able to gain enough man power to haul the stones over hundreds and hundreds of miles across a desert!!?? I don't thinks so.

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I thought the foreign stones were from up the river some distance. So they would have needed just enough power to get them to and from boats.

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Why do people keep propagating refuted legends like non-indigenous stone? From further up the Nile, yes, thus transported via the Nile.

Doesn't mean there wasn't some long forgotten techniques being used, but the Egyptians didn't need aliens telling them what to do. The Neter told them ;-)

Cryptic jokes aside, there are a lot of pyramids. The big three really are just big examples of a very long term style of Pharaonic "tomb" making. We call them tombs, but I suspect the Egyptians saw them more as portals to the realm of the Neter.

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funny how all the other pyramids are in some what sorry state. Also interesting is the design and construction of pyramids other then the GP and other Giza pyramids are very different. Also funny how the "other" pyramids have some form of indentification and an actual mummy inside.
Also their size are very different. When you look at "ALL" the evidence, one must ask the question, Why are these so different and lacking any inscriptions and their construction is very precise in many ways.Where the others are not. The GP is deffinatly different then any other pyramid in the world.
So I would ask why would all this trouble of building this enormous pile of rocks in such a precise way and not use it for what it surpposibly was built for. And then not even put some kind of inscription on it.
You know, all the other pyramids could be a very poor copy of the GP. Maybe thats why their all falling apart or have turned into a rubble heap.

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It's sad that folks think humans are unable to do great things by Will power,sweat,blood and tears. That Humans are to stupid to build great monuments, that some bug from outer space had to help them.

I won't even get started on the myth of Noah......

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I think that it was willing teams or companies, sub-contractors, if you will allow me the luxury of so stretching a comparison, who may or may have not used conscripted/slave labourers. So a mixture of A and B.

I just want to point out that I am NOT saying there is NO WAY another civilization might be responsible for constructing it, but the preponderance of evidence accepted as fact today does not yet support the alternative view.

[Although REALLY, we all know Nyarlthotep built it!]

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I am way open to earlier civilization(s) having built part of the Giza complex.

But I think your right, Nyarlthotep did build it.

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Being the most advanced in design and construction, the Great Pyramids were clearly not built by the later Egyptians. As several researchers have shown, the stone cutting techniques, design/tolerances used are indicative of advanced understanding of lapidary machining etc. Chris Dunn has done several studies on the milling/core drilling of several coffers-showing round milling marks- and granite core artifacts (from core drilling with some type of "hole saw"). The spiral grooves are too wide apart to be done with traditional modern methods. The artifacts do not sync with the theory that the Egyptians only had copper, gold and other soft metals. In addition they have found a stone ball and iron hook and float block of wood in one of the "air" shafts inside the "queens" chamber; the air holes don't even go to the outside from that chamber.

On another note, the Osirion which was mostly buried, uses similar stone construction/techniques that can be found in various sites around the world; Tiahuanaco, Ollantaytombo, Angkor Watt and more. The similarities being:

1. Knobby protuberances; requiring facing the entire stone to leave the knob behind.
2. Diversity/non-modularity. Most likely to dissipate energies like earthquakes. Also may have other energetic qualities.
3. Multisided (i.e.-13 sides). Stones with differing X, Y and Z surfaces. I have never, ever seen this in modern construction. It is near impossible to create.
4. Granite, Basalt or other hard stone (piezo-electric potential)usually quarried from many many miles away.
5. Stone blocks carved to wrap around inside corners. Very complex way to make a stone.
6. Keystone cuts and metal ties to connect stones. All sites have examples of these artifacts.
7. Many times constructions are buried under 30 feet or more of dirt/mud. Could be indicative of mythical flood that covered the prehistoric advanced global population.
8. Razor thin connections. No spaces or voids between stones.

I think it is more necessary to realize that the world has been more cyclical than linear. In fact all of nature/universe IS except our view of Darwinian linear evolution (Big Bang/ Adam and Eve). Once we realize we have been here for much longer, we can understand why we are here.

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Other empirical evidence shows that many of the structures are older than 10,000 BCE due to the water erosion and how deep it was buried under the earth. There were even megalithic stone structures at the bottom of Lake Titicaca. Graham Hancock's Underworld is pretty explicit about all of the different sites underwater around the world.

The recent unearthing of Göbekli Tepe, possible Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun are all much older than previous discoveries; 9000-10,000 BCE.

Another paradigm buster is the Antikythera Mechanism clocking in at around 2000 years old; a celestial computer operated by differential gears, 1 knob and operating 3 separate dials on front and back.

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Another thing in common between the Osirion and the GP: the strange & controversial lack of hyerogliphs.

I also share the suspicion that these two structures were made by a previous culture.

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A previous culture built two monumental structures and left no other traces whatsoever? No legends even?

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The Osirion got its name because the legend said the god Osiris himself built it. Osiris was considered to be the first king of Egypt.

It's quite possible that the Egyptian myths and religions are distortions & exaggerations of actual events —like all religions, of course.

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Well, it's quite likely that Osiris just took credit for other people's work, with nobody around to contradict him.

Like Gilgamesh built the walls of Uruk.

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I personally believe the Sphinx and megalithic temples predate the pyramids and perhaps serve as an outlying remnant of civilization centered in the current Mediterranean basin. The Atlantic breached the natural dam at Gibraltar and flooded the basin leaving only a few isolated examples of that civilization, like the Sphinx and structures at Malta.

The Great Pyramid, to me, came next at the peak of Egyptian development. I still hold that it was prepared for the Pharoah of the book of Exodus, reputed to have drowned in the Red Sea. Thus, there was no body to inter in the GP. With Egypt devastated, the quality of subsequent pyramids declined and the practice was then discontinued. In this scenario, I suggest Israel was used for manual labor on less important projects like common buildings and roads. The Bible associates their servitude with making mud brick. Only skilled Egyptians would be employed on a royal and religious project like a pyramid.

We know the Egyptians would excise unpleasant people and events from their record to the maximum extent possible. They probably closed up the GP still unfinished and tried to pretend nothing happened. Then the shortage of labor, skilled and unskilled, plus instability ended the pyramid age.

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Traces are left in myth and stone. Where history fades, myth takes over. Preserving data over vast expanses of time is made even harder due to shifting minds, languages and cultures. It is scientific fact that the only manufactured thing that will survive over 10,000+ years is stone. I have seen cars erode to dust in less than 50 years. CD,s will dissolve, Paper will rot, vellum will dissolve... And when language is recorded, it is many times unknown and new to us. Only oral tradition, stone and fossil can survive those large periods of time. Myth can at least encapsulate some type of important ideas from the past.

We can also assume that our current mindset will project our ideas of technology and progress upon the previous cultures expecting them to have computers and shopping malls; examples of our externalized form of development-materialism.

Look at the Olmec, for example. They are arguably recent culture and we know almost nothing about them. Where did those massive heads come from.

Linear evolution based upon theory is our base programming, hence we will expect the past to adhere to our "correct" view of the past.

I still do wonder if anything else, as you say, is left behind. Something complex in build and very ancient. So far the only thing I have seen is this aforementioned Antikythera Mechanism which is shown reconstructed from xray scans. Still it is pretty shocking to prove that we had advanced gear mechanisms 2000 years ago. We have believed that the late 1500s was the advent of the horological revolution.

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Chris Dunn-Giza Power Plant Dry and then some, BUT good info on structural building. His book was better, but get a feel here.

David Hatcher Childress-Megalithomania 2008 Links stonework between various archeological sites.

Tiahuanco. Great 20 minute video with music- no commentary. Amazing straight edges on stones.

Bosnian Pyramid of the Sun-Megalithomania 2008. New massive pyramid complex? Pretty convincing material.

Stephen Mehler-Land of Osiris Interesting POV from Mehler & oral traditionalist on Egypt.

Graham Hancock - Underworld (Part 1 of 2)

Graham Hancock - Underworld (Part 2 of 2)

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an insription on the GP. Over the "so called main entrance", but as yet not been deciphered. I'm not sure about this entrance cause it's a fair height of the ground. Could of had a timber ramp to it which has long since perished. Or an elaberate stone ramp which was dis-assembled for building products 4500 years ago.

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OK, this is all purely speculative on my part, but--

isn't it interesting that several months ago in a public speaking engagement, the famous US astronaut Buzz Aldrin mentioned a "monolith" (*his* word!) on the Martian moon Phobos...

Some reporter wrote an article on his talk. Reportedly, a straight-faced Buzz Aldrin said he thought that aliens built the so-called (by him!) "monolith" on Phobos, before they came here & built the pyramids! The reporter wrote it off as a joke on Aldrin's part, because the audience laughed---but it the reporter didn't mention how Aldrin reacted to the audience, e.g., whether he started smiling, or laughed when they did, or WHAT he said next...

But aren't those tantalizing words from a man so incensed by conspiracy theories that he punched that Bart Siebrel guy in the face over one (being accused of never walking on the moon)?! Would Aldrin be so quick to joke about such things? Would he use the word "monolith" lightly, just to endorse/encourage trips to Mars? Or could this be a message intended purely for posterity, a sort of wink to future generations regarding some secrets he's aware of...?

Could the Cydonia region of Mars include real pyramids? Could it be, along with the Face on Mars, that our planets histories are interconnected...? One thing's for sure--NASA wouldn't just come out and tell the world if they did find something like that...

Regarding the Great Pyramid, though---all the DVDs & shows I've seen on its construction are SORELY lacking, and leave me with more questions than answers. Are the claims true that the alignment of the blocks is perfect, positioned so accurately that you couldn't fit a piece of paper between the blocks, etc? Is it true that people have recently tried to construct one, and failed?

If humans can't do it now, than I don't see how we could have back then...

An intriguing topic which I've looked into a bit, but don't know which info to trust... It's fun to imagine the strange possibilities, though...

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I saw the video on Youtube. Aldrin didn't say aliens put the monolith on Phobos. He said "God did".

(Or perhaps you're referring to another public presentation by Aldrin. In which case I apologize, and would request if you could provide a link for it —I sure would like to see/read it.)

And I definitely want to see more research on the Mars pyramids. NASA thought everybody would shut up after showing hi-res pics of the famous 'Face', but like you said, there's more to it than that in Cydonia —although not as much as Hoagland imagines.

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I've seen the C-Span clip too, but this was from a speech in front of an audience----he's given several lately, one aboard a battleship or something, and one in an auditorium. I forget if it was one or both, but he mentioned the "monolith" on Mars's moon to an audience, and a reporter wrote an article in the paper about it.

So he's been bringing up this "monolith" word lately, knowing fully-well what connotations it has in light of _2001: A Space Odyssey_ (I just read Arthur C. Clarke say in the prologue to 2010 that the astronauts were shown the film before they went)!!

He knows "monolith" would have to mean "alien artifact," and yet he's repeatedly saying it! So would this 80-year old man (on Jan. 20th, that is), feel such a need to be a cheerleader for Mars missions that he would stoop to such hyperbole if he didn't in fact *believe* it?

I think it's more likely that this sort of thing is at least partially meant as a message to posterity---perhaps there's information that astronauts have been forced to keep top-secret, and they've been depressed/reclusive/alienated/frustrated because of this kind of cognitive dissonance with society....And maybe that's why we hear "monolith" comments from Buzz and "Neil Armstrong's cryptic speech" (at the White House on the 25th anniversary of the moon landing, YouTube it)...

Maybe they're frustrated at having surprising knowledge they like to share, and facts that they'd probably like to get credit for discovering! But their pensions (& maybe even their safety?) require them to keep quiet---yet they want the future generations who look back on them to know that they weren't total liars, and that the secrecy wasn't their idea---so they gave little clues & winks so they wouldn't retroactively look like complete liars when the truth comes out.

Even silly things, like that episode of 'Frasier' with John Glenn as a guest---he goes on Frasier's show, telling a story about seeing something weird on the moon, but Frasier is too busy arguing in the adjacent room to hear what Glenn is saying!!! (I Netflix'ed that disc just to watch that specific episode! :) The most interesting part, though, is that apparently Glenn went to *THEM* (the makers of 'Frasier') with the plot concept, and they took him up on it!! Hoagland quotes one of the show's producers (or someone like that) on that fact in _Dark Mission_...

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Indeed it's interesting that Aldrin is making all these speeches with the 'monolyth' issue brought everytime. And yes, I agree the term is charged with suggestive (but ambiguous/deniable) connotations.

Recently I wrote a comment over at the Gralien Report re. Aldrin's statement that they saw a UFO during the moon trip, but decided to keep quiet about it.

Aldrin’s declaration has always struck me as a bit odd. It could be debated whether the Apollo 11 crew acted irresponsibly with their ‘over-cautiousness’ to report the anomalous object, or not. Because even though they were aware millions of people would get to hear whatever words they would say, the fact is that they didn’t *know* what the object was, and if said object could prove to be a hazard to the mission —what if it was a Russian automatic vessel programmed to ram against Apollo?

One would think the astronatus had the duty to inform Houston of any anomalous incident they were facing, no matter how strange or seemingly trivial.

So maybe we haven’t heard the whole story yet. Maybe they were debriefed on the possibility of a UFO encounter during the trip to the Moon prior launch.

So, at least we can conclude there's an obvious change in Aldrin's public stance. Maybe it's the age factor, like you suggest. Or something else. It remains something incredibly interesting to ponder upon.

PS: That story about Glenn in Frasier is fabulous! I'm no fan of the show, but I did see that clip, and it was hilarious.

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Maybe Aldrin wants to provoke thought, to prod people into doing something useful. He seems the impatient type.

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That's very likely. If I'm a man so devoted to a field that has been neglected for so many years, I would get desperate too, specially at the dusk of my life.

But maybe there's something more to it.

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Good point---but what I really wonder is, would a Mars mission be so urgent as to need prodding if there was NOT anything weird there? Would an 80-year old guy like Buzz Aldrin feel the need to cheer-lead for his buddies in the space industry, just to possibly help their careers at some future date (which Aldrin probably wouldn't even be around to see) by making outrageously tantalizing statements?

Would Aldrin say to himself, "Well, that structure on Phobos is probably a natural formation, but if I hype it up a bit, that'll get people enthused to go there..."? Would he put his reputation on the line for business interests that wouldn't even personally benefit him?

It seems to me that there'd have to be something weird there for him to bother prodding people into going----why would this national hero, in the later years of his life, decide to suddenly associate his name with weird ideas like Martian artifacts?! He punched Bart Siebrel in the face for accusing Aldrin of lying about walking on the moon, so it seems Buzz is touchy about wild claims being thrown around!

Personally, I am convinced that UFOs are real, and best explained as alien technology---and it's this idea that makes me speculate (sometimes wildly! :) on what implications this could have for NASA's outlook & behavior.

When you start from the assumption that UFOs are alien technology, it gets you wondering what the astronauts might have truly seen & experienced on the moon or in space in general. And that line of questioning makes certain details stand out to you as peculiar, or a bit suspicious---like Buzz Aldrin's admission that during a public speech (forget the year), an audience member asked him, "What was it like to be on the moon?" Aldrin later reported that as he tried to start answering this question, he could feel a panic-attack start to kick in! (quoted in Hoagland's _Dark Mission_, I believe).

It's a strange situation---just enough info to make you suspect something weird might be going on, but not enough info to really make the speculations credible. But I do think it's a bit more likely that Aldrin knows something regarding aliens/UFOs, and he's prodding people into going there because he wants the truth to come out, and wants credit & respect for possibly discovering some of it.

Imagine how frustrating it would be to be regarded as a national hero, but having to lie to your nation about the full extent of your heroic adventure?! It could drive you nuts.

Recall Neil Armstrong's brief, cryptic speech (given at the White House on the 25th anniversary of his moon landing), where he says, "There are great ideas undiscovered; breakthroughs available to those who can remove one of truth's protective layers."

"Truth's protective layers"?! Who's protecting the Truth, and what is that truth?! Strange remarks like these make me think the astronauts know at least a bit more than they've been allowed to tell the public!

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As many researchers have pointed out in recent years, one could consider that the megalithic, precision-cut, stones (like the Osirion, Khufu Pyramid, Ollantaytombo) were remnants left behind from the previous world civilization after the last deluge that devastated the entire planet. The new re-seeding found the architecture and tried to replicate it or build off of it. This is why you see a mixture of highly complex older architecture with rubble built around it in succeeding years. David Hatcher Childress does a good job showing some of the structures like Ollantaytombo as example. The Great Pyramids appear to be the left-over structures from the previous age with other structures built up around them later; 2 different eras.

In situ excavations of Tiahuanco and Puma Punka show massives blocks that are lying tossed around like toys. They were obviously impacted by a massive wall of mud which covered them by about 30 feet in areas. This mud cover was due to the last ancient deluge. This dates the structures, still in excavation, to being pre-Inca. So evidence is building that there were pre-historic advanced civilizations.

It seems that if you want to understand the sources/origins of these structures, one needs to look at as many of them around the world as you can or you succumb to tunnel vision and really build up a theory in a vacuum.

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While one has to give David Hatcher Childress credit for carefully considering the megalithic structures that mainstream archaeologists regularly pass by, in point of fact David got all his original ideas on them from Richard Kieininger, who had stolen them from the Lemurian Fellowship. Perhaps the following sounds familiar:

"Seven billion years ago men on the planet Klarion evolved into Archangels. These archangels from Klarion then created stars, including our own Sun. Each solar system has its own archangel, in our case Melchisedek, who we know as G*d. Every planet in our solar system has an angelic host.

"All mankind was created by Melchisedek (G*d) on “Lemuria” (Eden) 1,010,000 years ago, and mankind differentiated into 12 races while living there. The planet Earth's Angels then split into 3 factions, and one third of the Earth's angels brought on the first Pleistocene Geological period, which forced man from Lemuria (Eden).

"Ice accumulating at the Earth’s poles led to "centrifugal aberrations” which caused crustal displacements called "pole shifts", and some mountain ranges emerged abruptly after these "pole shifts". The geological strata mark the rises and falls of the continents beneath the oceans in these “pole shifts”.

"“Lemuria” re-emerged from the Pacific Ocean in 76,000 BC and the first great civilization formed there. “Katholis”, immigrant laborers largely from Central and South America let into the nation of “Mu” on “Lemuria”, and “Pfrees”, trade unionists, led to “Lemuria”’s corruption."

[Note especially the names and roles given to these groups: if they seem to reflect early 20th century lumpen prole views, that is because they do.]

"Entry into the “Brotherhoods” are now restricted to "trained" individuals.

"Lemuria’s “Katholis” went on to India, where their priests set up the caste system."

[Undoubtedly this was their reasoning why both Indians and Mexicans both have brown skins.]

"Lemuria’s “Pfrees”, the trade unionists, went on to the islands which would form “Atlantis”.

"Tiwanaku at Lake Titicaca was a port between the Pacific Ocean and an "Amazonian Ocean" which joined with the Atlantic Ocean. It was raised to its present location by a “pole shift”.

"Lemuria" was destroyed in another “pole shift” in 24,000 BC. Following this “pole shift” the water levels of the oceans fell, revealing the continent of “Atlantis” in the Atlantic Ocean. The “Poseid” nation flourished on the continent of “Atlantis”. Meanwhile, an “Osiris Civilization” formed in North Africa, an “Uighur Empire” in the Gobi Desert, and a “Rama Empire” in India.

“Katholi” immigrants (originally the immigrant laborers let into the nation of “Mu” on “Lemuria” from Central and South America) now corrupted the “Poseid” nation on “Atlantis”.

“Atlantis” sank ca. 10,500-8,500 BC in yet another “pole shift”. Following the sinking of “Atlantis”, “Poseids” under King Osiris fled to the Mediterranean area, carrying with them a "Holy of Holies" device.

[This delusion is the source for much of today’s “ancient technologies”nonsense.]

The Mediterranean Sea flooded when “Atlantis” sank, and Osiris’s “Poseids” along with “Poseids” from Africa went on to found the great civilization of Egypt. A priesthood arose in Egypt which enslaved the populace using "black mentalist" telepathic powers.

Meanwhile, leaders in India revolted against the “Katholis” priests there and founded a technologically advanced “Rama Empire”. After “Atlantis” sank the “Rama Empire” declined.

The Giza Pyramids were constructed 4,700 BC by the Hyksos, a white race from Ethiopia. The dimensions of the Great Pyramid carry prophetic messages. The Hyksos who constructed the Great Pyramids also emigrated to Crete, Phoenicia, and the British Isles, and in Britain they constructed Stonehenge.

"A mystery school of a ”brotherhood” existed at the Sphinx in Egypt. Akhnaten ruled over Egypt in 1375 BC and instituted a plan he learned at this mystery school. Moses was born 1300 BC, and was also educated at this mystery school. Moses wrote the Pentateuch, the first five books of the Bible, in Egyptian hieroglyphs, and Egyptian hieroglyphics have two meanings, one literal, and another one secret, symbolic."

[This particular bit of nonsense most clearly demonstrates better than anything else the debt owed by all of these con men to the mistakes of Abbe Brasseur and the delusions of Augustus Le Plungeon.]

"About 600 B.C. "grey occults" working under Ezra translated the Pentateuch, the first five books of the bible, from Moses' Egyptian into Hebrew. The King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid held the "Holy of Holies" device. "The Holy of Holies" was carried in the Ark of the Covenant from the Pyramids in Egypt to Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem.

"Seven “Brotherhoods” were set up by Melchisedek (G*d) for the spiritual advancement of mankind. There are six lesser “Brotherhoods”: the Hermetic, Essene, Brahmic, Luciferian (Masonic), Rosicrucian, and Theosophist, and one greater Brotherhood, the Lemurian.

"Christ's coming was announced by Isaiah in 700 BC. Prophets also arose from among the various other “Brotherhoods”: Zoroaster the Iranian, LaoTzu the Chinese, Mahivira the Jain, Budha the Indian, Confucius the Chinese; all arose between 630-551 BC.

"Jesus provided the physical body for the Archhangel Melchisedek (G*d) during his ministry on Earth as Christ. When Christ was crucified and died, Jesus re-occupied his body and restored it to health. Jesus is living today in Western Europe, where his body rests in a "somnolescent" condition in a protected cell."

[Perhaps this particular bit of nonsense may remind some of The DaVinci Code.]

"The “secret teachings” of Christ are taught by the “Brotherhoods”. Christ, through the “Brotherhoods”, protects against “Black Mentalists”. All the current churches in the world are antichrist. The greater part of the priests and ministers of the Christian churches and most other religions are "grey occults", unwitting servants of "black mentalists".

[Note especially this total denigration of all other religions, and the warnings against any and all outside appeals to reason. These are common techniques cult leaders use to control the thinking of their victims who they con. ]

"The Masonic Brotherhood planned the United States around 4,000 BC

"Weather extremes will precede “Armageddon”, a nuclear war, which will occur before the year 2000. “Armageddon” will occur before the "Day of Doom", a pole shift. Nine-tenths of mankind will die in these events."

[Note the promotion of fears, which is another common practice of the con men who set up cults. 2012, anyone?]

“Lemuria” will re-emerge from the Pacific Ocean in the “pole shift” in the year 2000, and the "Kingdom of God" would then be founded on “Lemuria”. After 1,000 years, Christ will return to the Earth to rule the Kingdom of God on “Lemuria”.

One problem is that "pole shifts" do not occur. Earthquakes and comet and asteroid impacts do.

E.P. Grondine
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When we discuss the concept of "slavery", we use a modern idea -- most often associated with the Civil War and people of African Origin. At that time, slaves were like cattle (in terms of ownership), and their ideas or choices were not necessarily considered by their owners.

In ancient times, when slavery was routine, the concept was not the same. A person could be born into slavery -- but not based on skin color. Slavery was an ECONOMIC condition, more akin to being born into a working class poor family today.

Aren't people who cannot survive without their jobs -- those who would lose their homes and all prospects for a normal life if they stopped the daily grind -- aren't those people slaves, too? They may not be owned by an individual...but they may "owe their soul to the company store", in that all their life's possessions and good comes from laboring in some one else's vineyard.

Were the men who built Hoover Dam willing workers -- or were they slaves who took on that dangerous job in exchange for a home, car, and spending money? How would that materially differ from being a useful "Egyptian slave" who built the pyramids -- and got a home, food, and time off every now and then?

History isn't as either-or as we are led to believe.

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Very very nice comment there. Indeed, we're projecting our social values to a society that lived thousands of years ago. The concept of the individual was completely different back then.

Zahi posits that the study of the recent human remains shows these men (who he says built the pyramids) were fed meat regularly and showed no sign of mistreatment. Not physical mistreatment anyway.

But, does that show building a pyramid was the Egyptian equivalent of a corner office?

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The traditional concept of slavery was not race based, nor based on religion, skin color, or anything like that. That's quite true.

But it was not purely economical, like the lack of freedom of poor people today.

Today, if a poor worker acquires enough money they can quit their lousy job and do something else. Nobody can prevent them from doing that.

In traditional slavery, a slave might (in some societies) become quite wealthy, but this would not give them personal liberty. They would remain the property of their owner, unless that owner would would agree to terminate the slavery
condition.

In some places today, particularly North America, your freedom is indeed largely based on how much money you have. If you have enough, nobody even thinks about restricting your rights.

In other places this is not the case. In some countries a person is (at least philosophically) property of the state, no matter how rich they are. Sure you might bribe your way out of some things, but then you are breaking principles. Communist countries used to be like that, a principle they got from the old absolute monarchies. Who got it from slavery-based societies.

So I don't think we can use the evidence that the workers were well treated and well nourished, and conclude much about their legal status as slaves of freemen.

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Today, if a poor worker acquires enough money they can quit their lousy job and do something else. Nobody can prevent them from doing that.

Yeah. Nothing but the lack of opportunities; their lack of education...

Ooops! There I go again. Mil disculpas ;)

But of course I agree with your point. It's difficult to extrapolate the legal and social status of these people based solely on their remains.

Roman gladiators were also well nourished and treated.

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Sometimes it is also the lack of ideas, or imagination. Having good ideas is much easier said than done of course.

For people who lived all their lives in one place, with limited information about anything else, it is hard to imagine that their life could be different.

But if there is information that their life doesn't have to be the way it is, and nobody acts on it, who's fault is it?

I'm not blaming anyone. But take an example some of the First Nation Indians in Canada and the US. A lot of them live on reservations, and unless they have gambling income, life is typically poor and boring. Their old traditions are barely kept alive, their ancient way of life is gone forever. It sucks.

But. Nobody is keeping them there. They can go where they want. Again that is easier said than done, but they are kept in their bad life as much by lack of ideas as by lack of opportunity.

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We're —as usual— getting side-tracked here with these arguments. Maybe we shoould start another thread so we can discuss this more thoroughl, because no doubt a few interesting things could be argued whether the First Nation members are fools, for trying to remain in the land they have such a strong connection with, or not.

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If I knew a real good place where they could go, I would say so.

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Simple men using muscle alone could not do that. Men using mechanics, rope and muscle did not do that. Men with design plans and borrowed instrumentality did that. And when the wonders of the ancients were completed all around the planet, the instrumentality was removed from mens memory and the records of how it occured, to bewilder later generations of why, when and how.

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I guess nobody has read Wesley H. Bateman's book "Through Alien Eyes". Wes passed over last year and his book may now be out of print. Wes was a "Federation Telepath" and indicated in his book that the Gracians (Gracyea the 4th planet of the star Druma) built the pyramids at Giza, Teotihuacan and Mars for the Maldecians ( from the planet Maldec, the 5th planet originally orbiting our sun, destroyed millions of years ago when the Maldecians attempted to steal Earth's Vril or psychic energy, causing their planet to explode and resulting in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter.) I just finished re-reading this book that I first purchased in 2003 and find it extremely synchronistic that this survey appears on the day after I finishing re-reading this book. I challenge everyone to meditate on this from their molar to their micro level of consciousness and open their psyche to the forces of Light who will help you overcome the effects of the frequency barrier and those of the forces of darkness. Perhaps there are some out there who are awakening and remember a prior life on earth when these things happened. May the Peace and Light be with you always.

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Pyramids two great one small , the first had lots of resources around a vast jungle, then they used the trees to build the first pyramid and they made it but the resources became scarce(less resources)
, with the other resources they built the second pyramid more clumsy , the third was to small because there were no trees ,that made the third pyramid small and clumsy ,thats why today we have a desert in egypt they needed the logs to move stone and other stuff.

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The 'Pyramid age' is the Old Kingdom, and we know they could build pyramids in a fast and efficient way.

Just look at the dozens of smaller pyramids and the stone Mausoleums that surround the Great pyrammid and its two 'brother' pyramids. Most, if not all, of these are still standing so we know they could build them on a small scale using very high precision construction skills, so why not on a larger scale.

I also remember a documentary i watched on the History channel about how an engineer/professor/archeologist had found out how they had built the pyramids using ramps, hardwood pulleys, loads of men (most of them egyptian) and strong reed ropes half a foot thick.

Everthing he said matched evidence on the pyramids, and we know the egyptians were planning on using the pyramids because of the hyroglyphs on the inside.

This doesnt mean i dont think there was some outside 'help' guiding us and teaching us these skills for use in the future.

I'd like to know how the egyptins cut the stone using only bronze tools, and i would also love to know whats behind those small doors they found!

Finally, the pyramids are an oddity, unlike the Great Wall, the Collosium, the Colossus of Rhodes, The Pharos Lighthouse, the temple of Artemis and the Helicarnassus Mausoleum (which were all feasible, and in tune with the abilities of the constructors and at times when they had strong tools like iron and steel), the pyramids are a bit early. However, this doesnt mean that it WASN'T built by humans, i saying we might have had a little ET help.

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Had to go "Other (explain)", for the reasons mentioned in many of the earlier replies. My current reality tunnel says "The Law of One"-material is too coherent to be dismissed outright. Their explanation is fantastic to say the least, but taking all the details concerning the GP into account, it currently doesn't seem to have "serious" contenders.

I'd be grateful for any constructive criticism on the Law of One-material if you are familiar with it.

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http://www.mysterious-america.net/egypt2...

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you need to read your bible!

there were NO Jews at this point, only Israelites(Hebrews)!
the 12 tribes.
the tribe of Judah became the Jews after Babylon captivity
the rest of the tribes had been taken by the Assyrian empire
after king Solomon died

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Why not a book on Semitic history, or a book on the Nile river valley cultures?
Why must it always fall back on the KJV of the Bible?

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An alien race came to a lost civilation of egyptians who were
slaves to there own minds and willingly built the pyramids.

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Because Im told that an otherworldy race came down and taught the egyptians to move and build objects like pyramids with their minds.

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The indegenous egyptian africans built the pyramids. If the pyramids, or any other logic defying artifacts had been built any where in the remote vicinity of where caucasions or indo-europeans had freuqented then there would be no age old debate over who built them1

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I can remember standing in the desert near Cairo and gazing across the Sphinx to the Great Pyramid of Giza, one of the most impressive structures on Earth, and counting myself extremely fortunate to be there. The pyramid carries some impressive statistics. It stands 450 feet tall (137mtrs) and consists of two million blocks of stone, weighing from the most common at 2.5 tons up to 50 tons. The weight of the pyramid is six million tons. The four corners are almost perfect right angles and align almost exactly to the four points of the compass. The sides slope at a perfect 52 degrees, or would do had not the smoothly polished limestone finishing blocks been removed and used in building works in Cairo. It is one one of the original Seven Wonders of the World. Impressive though the statistics are, they do not reveal the true magnificence of this wonderful construction. I have to admit that upon entering the pyramid and climbing up the narrow cramped access shaft to the upper burial chamber, which was surprisingly cool, I experienced an eerie feeling of stepping back into history, and a strong feeling of trespassing.

To have seen this pyramid when perfectly smooth and dazzlingly white in the desert sun must have been an incredible sight.

So impressive are the pyramids that it has caused many to wonder how they could possibly have been built some 4500 years ago. Some even go as far as to suggest that it is not possible for these structures to have been made by the labours of men, but were instead made by aliens.

Who built the pyramids, aliens or men?

The case for the Aliens:

The pyramids are so accurately aligned with the points of the compass that only aliens could have achieved this all those thousands of years ago. The angle of the slope of the sides is so precise only aliens could achieve this. The blocks are so heavy and the pyramid so tall only aliens could achieve this. In the period 2500 BC man did not have the tools or knowledge necessary to build the pyramids, so only aliens could have done it. How the aliens built the pyramids is not known, but they would have employed the use of advanced construction equipment.

The case for men:

Never underestimate the ingenuity of man. We are today so used to using machinery to carry out virtually all our major construction work that we sometimes forget that machinery, in terms of historical events, is a very new development, its only been around a couple of hundred years or so. Mankind managed very well without it for many thousands of years. We have long forgotten the techniques that were used in the building of the pyramids, but this doesn't mean that we are unable to work out how it was done.

In order to try and establish who built the pyramids we have to examine the evidence that we have. We have only the pyramids themselves, the excavation sites where the blocks were quarried from, and historical accounts.

The evidence:

Lets start with the excavation site. If like me, you have been there, you will know that it looks pretty much like any other quarry you might see today, except there is obviously no machinery. At the quarry face there are blocks cut into the rock but not yet cut away. There are rough hewn blocks scattered around ready for transporting and on-site finishing. The entire quarry shows obvious signs of systematic development of cutting blocks out from the face and transporting them from site. The rough hewn free standing blocks show the scars of repeated chisel blows where they were chiseled out of the rock face. There is nothing in the manner of these blocks that is anything other than old fashioned quarry work using a mallet and chisel. Nowhere is there any sign of advanced technology having been employed, just the opposite. The blocks were hewn out of the rock-face by manual labour, the signs are unmistakable. The chisels used were made of copper, the hardest metal then available, but even they were only good for about 100 blows before blunting, even though limestone is relatively soft and easy to work compared to hard rock such as granite. As the chisels were blunted they were exchanged for re-sharpened ones, and the process was repeated with a team of blacksmiths constantly re-sharpening and tempering the chisels.

How were the blocks transported to the pyramids? By man power. The vast majority of the blocks weighed in the region of 2.5 tons and were transported on wooden sledges. They could of course have chosen any size for the blocks, but this must have been the optimum size, any bigger would probably have slowed them down. A team of men with ropes could drag the sledge across the clay floor, and this could be eased with a little water tipped in front of the runners helping the sledge to slide easier. It is estimated that it may have taken 10 years just to build the ramp from the quarry to the pyramids. In this manner all the blocks could be transported to the site of the pyramid without presenting any insurmountable challenges. So far no alien technology required, it could all be done by well organised teams of men, and a great deal of manual labour. During the time of the annual flooding of the Nile the stone blocks could have been floated to the site of the pyramids on rafts, making the task a lot easier.

The work force was was not one of slaves , the Egyptians didn't need slaves. The Nile supplied a very fertile land where farming was relatively easy and food abundant. This civilisation had time on its hands, no wonder they were such great mathematicians, astronomers and architects. The work force was primarily made up of farmers, recruited nationwide for a period ranging from a few months to a few years, and they served their time for their king, much like serving National Service today in the armed forces. A total of 20,000 to 30,000 workers would have been needed for the task, ranging from unskilled hauliers, semi-skilled quarry men, skilled quarry men, masons who finished the blocks, men who placed the blocks, officials and caterers. A village was purpose built to house them all and they were well fed and cared for in return for their work. The remains of the village can still be seen today.

Now for making the pyramids themselves. About 2,550 B.C., King Khufu, the second pharaoh of the fourth dynasty, commissioned the building of his tomb at Giza. Some Egyptologists believe it took somewhere in the region of 80 years to construct the pyramid. Having man-hauled the blocks to the site of the pyramid the obvious problem now is how to stack them up. There are a number of ways this may have been achieved, all of which require a ramp, or a system of ramps, as the only method available to the ancient Egyptians was man-power, and they had that in abundance.

The actual method of ramps used is not known with any certainty, but it most likely started with a single ramp by which means the blocks could be hauled into position. The blocks were laid down in layers, each successive layer being a little smaller in area than the one below it to give the pyramid its shape. As the blocks are layed onto a level surface, the same height as the ramp, no lifting was required, only hauling of the sledges. Removing the blocks from the sledge may have involved no more than dragging the block off the sledge. The entire pyramid could have been built using this simple system without a single block actually having to be lifted off the ground! No alien technology required. Very smart people these Egyptians.

As each successive layer was laid the ramp would need be heightened, and lengthened so as not to be too steep. Eventually this method would reach a limit where the size and construction of the ramp would be nearly as complex as the pyramid. The easiest way around this problem is to curve the ramp around the pyramid as the pyramid increased in height.

Finally, all that remained was the placing of the top stone, followed by the placing and fitting of the smooth white blocks. As the facing stones were placed so the ramp could be removed as they worked their way back down. The pyramid required a certain amount of interior design and construction for the burial chambers, and this was no easy task. The blocks that protected the burial chamber were 50 ton blocks of granite. Even with the huge teams of men at their disposal and a system of ropes and overseers guiding them, it would have been a difficult and dangerous task. There are still marks visible on the blocks and in the interior of the pyramid that were used to guide the blocks into position. Difficult yes, impossible no.

It was men that built the pyramids, make no mistake. Do not underestimate the intelligence of the ancient Egyptians or the trained manpower that was at their disposal. It was a colossal effort of team work taking 80 years to complete.

How did they align the corners of the pyramid so accurately with the four points of the compass? This was the easy part. It just takes a curved wall facing more or less North as judged by the stars. Select a rising star on the Eastern horizon and mark a line on the top of the wall pointing to it. Mark another line on the wall when it is low on the Western horizon. Take the line straight down the wall , using a plumb line, and then extend it along the ground until it meets the other line. Bisect this angle and you now have a line pointing exactly due North.

There are any number of very simple methods that can then be employed to construct a right angle that will then align with the other points of the compass. After that its just a question of placing markers in the ground for the four corners of the pyramid. As I said, that part is easy, it does not require alien technology, just a little brain power.

How did they achieve such a perfect 52 degree angle of slope? Because they were clever! They were masters of angles, a skill they had acquired in part through astronomy, and also through a good knowledge of mathematics. Each mason that worked on finishing the outer blocks had a template with an angle of 52 degrees that he used to cut his block to fit. After that it was careful alignment of block to block as they placed them carefully on the inner blocks. It was literally done step by step.

Mystery solved, that's how it was done. Maybe not using that exact method, but something very like it. There is absolutely no need to suggest that it couldn't be done by man power, and certainly there is no need to go to the ridiculous lengths of suggesting it was done with the help of aliens. That idea is pure nonsense.

Why were the pyramids built? They were tombs for the king. The Egyptians had long observed a point in the sky around which all the stars appeared to rotate (the north celestial pole, today marked by the close proximity of the Pole Star) and believed the area to be an immortal place. The alignment of the pyramid to the compass points was to align it with the 'immortal place' in the sky, and the shape was believed to represent the rays of the Sun. The pyramid was in fact a device designed to transport the king to the immortal place so that he may live forever, as would all the workers that assisted in its construction.

N.B. The theory of how the pyramids were actually built is not my own pet theory, but one considered by experts in the field as to be the most likely. It is a known fact how the stones were carved out of the quarry. Graffiti inside the pyramid reveals that teams were used in competition with one another, with the best performers receiving 'bonuses' of extra beer or days off. The workers village is a known fact. The ramp from the quarry to the pyramid is a known fact. That the huge work force was recruited is a known historical fact. The labour force required and the time it would have taken has been very carefully calculated. The type of ramps used is open to question, but all are agreed that ramps were used, there is no other way it could have been done. And it was done - by men!

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I like all your "stated" facts at the end of your comment.. I'm sure you will find most of your "stated" facts are only theories.

The ramp would have to be equal or greater in volume then the GP, and to stop it from falling or callasping would be an even greater challenge. 50 ton granite blocks? You have stated that copper can not chisle granite, so how was this done.

The graffiti is open for speculation. It could easily have been done by the workers whom robbed the casing stones. I doubt very much that an overseer would of permitted any degredation of the work originally.

The village is far too small to have housed the labour force required in construction.

The only insription on the GP is still not deciphered. The burial chamber was never used to bury anyone. The granite Bathtub in the "kings chamber" is carved extremely accurate and unlike any other found in Egypt.

SO, what we have is still a mystery with no tangible solution.

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I voted "other."

There are nearly infinite possibilities when it comes to who built the pyramids -- or at least the Great Pyramid -- and how. All we really have to go on, assuming we avoid using our intuitional abilities and rely strictly on the rational intellect, is the thing itself. Everything else is theory partially buttressed by inconclusive archaeology and history.

Depending on your perspective, some possibilities will be more likely than others, but this proves nothing.

In short, no one really knows, assuming they rely on their conscious minds alone to fathom this. (Of course that's not the only way to approach the topic.)

I have long attempted to develop my own intuitional abilities, when I had the time and inclination and wasn't totally preoccupied with "earning a living."

I came across one particularly interesting perspective on the Great Pyramid as a direct result of these endeavors, long ago, in 1982.

A short version of the first part of this tale is found at http://www.realitytest.com/resource.htm#link11.

For those unwilling to follow the link, the first time I tried to meditate I experienced a full-color interior "vision" of the cover of a purple paperback featuring an ugly photo of a woman in trance, the photo undoubtedly chosen by some clueless marketing department. The woman was Jane Roberts; the book dated to the heyday of the so called New Age and was Seth Speaks: The Eternal Validity of the Soul.

I stopped what I was doing, amazed, and went into Harvard Square and purchased the book, even though the first time I'd seen it, physically, I'd dismissed it as ridiculous nonsense. This time I took it home and read it.

Among other topics, the book discussed coordinate or coordination points:

The primary authority on coordination points is Seth, channelled by Jane Roberts (1929-1984); see Chapter 5, How Thoughts Form Matter -- Coordination Points, in Seth Speaks -- The Eternal Validity of the Soul, by Jane Roberts, © copyright 1972, and additional information in the Appendix of the same book. Some excerpts follow:

Seth speaks of three categories of coordination or coordinate points: Subordinate, Main, and Absolute. Seth says our space "is filled with" subordinate points, adding that "these are important in allowing you to transform thoughts and emotions into physical matter. When a thought or emotion attains a certain intensity, it automatically attracts the power of one of these subordinate points, and is therefore highly charged, and in one way magnified, though not in size."

Seth describes Main Coordination Points as being "pure mathematically, sources of fantastic energy." He adds: "There are four absolute coordinate points that intersect all realities. These coordinate points also act as channels through which energy flows, and as warps or invisible paths from one reality to another. They also act as transformers, and provide much of the generating energy that makes creation continuous in your terms."

"These points impinge upon what you call time, as well as space. There are certain points in time and space, therefore, (again in your terms), that are more conducive than others, where both ideas and matter will be more highly charged. Practically speaking, this means that buildings will last longer; in your context, that ideas wedded to form will be relatively eternal. The pyramids, for example, are a case in point [emphasis is mine]."

"These coordinate points -- absolute, main, or subordinate -- represent accumulations or traces of pure energy, minute to an extreme if you are thinking in terms of size -- smaller than any particle of which your scientists know for example, but composed of pure energy. And yet this energy must be activated. It is dormant until then -- and it cannot be activated physically."

So -- some reading this likely think I'm out of my mind, a believer in specious New Age nonsense.

They're welcome to believe whatever they wish.

(My favorite Seth quote: "Most of my readers are familiar with the term, 'muscle bound.' As a species you have grown 'ego bound' instead, held in a spiritual rigidity, with the intuitive portions of the self either denied or distorted beyond any recognition.")

Back to my story. Many years after the above experience, I came across an old fashioned Unix List Serve mailing list to which other Seth readers were subscribed. (This was in 1995.)

If you take a couple of hundred formerly solitary Seth readers and get them interacting on-line, all sorts of events are created that would never have happened otherwise. In time, we actually set out to investigate the nearest Main Coordination Point. The somewhat tongue-in-cheek website version of this is found at http://www.realitytest.com/gcpe.

This is why I must vote "other."

I've read a number of theories regarding the Great Pyramid over the years, some officially accepted, some not. Some of these are quite entertaining, some even too fanciful for me.

I believe that whoever built it was consciously aware of coordination points, which implies they had very different ideas regarding the nature of reality than those officially accepted ideas presently taught to us, although it's also true that Shroedinger's feline analogy has been in the public consciousness for a long time. I suspect the full implications of that will not dawn upon scientists for possibly a couple of centuries, but I may be completely wrong.

This doesn't matter, really; while it's useful to be aware of official explanations (which always change over time), there's no reason anyone need adhere to them if they don't wish to, although as a practical matter some discernment is useful when expressing alternative views to others.

Bill I.