To the best of my amateur knowledge a lot of the founding fathers were FMs, though not George Washington, that's a common mistake - although he was extremely heavily influenced by them ...
If you look at the ideology promulgated in most circles about the same time as the American revolution, the strongest source for the model of government is easily that found in FM, again, to my amateur knowledge.
The layout of Washington DC is Freemasonic, and then there's the Lomas material, making a Freemasonic claim (by a Freemason) to the first landing in America.
It seems to me to be more than mere coincidence that the Skull and Crossbones society spawns the most powerful politicians and leaders of industry in the country.
In reality it's not so weird that a secret society is running the most powerful nation on earth, to me anyhow. Look at what Nixon got up to, or George Bush (take your pick!) and then what happened to Kennedy when he tried to out the military industrial complex ... i think it's fair to say there really is a FM plot to take over the planet, and it's also fair to suspect the Israeli Jew's intentions for statehood have been co-opted by powerful industrial interests who stem from freemasonic organisations although the precise integrative organisation of these different parties is still obscure to me.
so, i was the 77th person to vote for 'yes completely' - and the rest of you pussies is WRONG!!!
Because I read Greg's book Da Vinci in America and that convinced me.
"the precise integrative organisation of these different parties is still obscure to me."
And it will remain so.
Because it is multi-faceted and ever-changing. Even if you thought you knew, you wouldn't really have any way to know if what you knew was really true. However, the primary agenda may be decipherable.
Secret societies amaze me. They never stop to realize that just exactly what they are doing, will eventually be done to them by the next more insidious snake.
"Oh what tangled webs we weave, when first we think but to decieve."
"And thinking themselves to be wise, they became fools."
George Washington was a freemason, and a rosicrusion also.
there are many paintings from the time that depict him in a masonic apron. and wearing the aprons and jewels it would seem of many different masonic positions. He was also the first masonic grand master of the united states.
as to the freemasons planning world domination?
if you look at all of the previous ruling societies of this planet, each was the guard of the times. masonry is/was the current guard. but a new guard will take the place of the current soon. and the masons and their society will be as all who came before them.
secret societies have been on the decline since 1881, when the sun's natal cycle moved into aquariuis. the wool is progressivly being pulled from our eyes, and soon we will know god.
I hate to be pedantic (or maybe I dont' care about being pedantic), but for the US to be COMPLETELY founded as a Masonic Utopia, every single one of the founding fathers, and all the people they worked with, would have had to be a Mason. I don't actually know, but I tend to doubt that every single one was a Mason.
Also, every single one of the ideas, laws, etc. that they composed, would have to be a Masonic law that already existed at the time, and all Masonic laws would have to be applied, and doubt if that's the case.
But since we know that many of them were Masons, and made no secret of it, we can say the Masonic influence was strong.
The US was founded as ! ? Yes, completely a Masonic Utopia
? The US was founded as a Masonic Utopia - Strong influence
? The US was founded as a Masonic Utopia - Hardly an influence
The United States was founded as Not at all a Masonic Utopia
well i gess it speaks for itself
now i try some question forming (Who drunk my coffe? - for warming)
How many masons(?: i can only gess what it stands for) does it take
to change ...... county clubs into the union - we gess none in speciffic ?, anyways it requires a dream carrier to think it acceptable by many or to spread it - while you can't touch it's an utopy - if it correlates with masonic - so be it ... to the child birth - blessing dressing , , feeding , , wipeing - that makes US not very old - do nature nations grow old - there looks like one scale for all: ? want experience and power ? grow up to, loose some youth - ? born wise ? a new born and a wise born - no it's that wise from birth so still born wise who/what is ? it's been told to be easy to point a finger - 'ing planeteers - who=silent/what=silence~=balance balanced state in physics is not in existence/this world or as in asian wizdom the universe itself - now we must include - in it's balanced entireness . . . ? go figure
Thank you for providing that insightful and well argued case for the affirmative. You came very close to convincing me of your arguments in relation to the extent of influence of freemasonry in the establishment of the United States.
I particularly enjoyed your point that "it requires a dream carrier to think it acceptable by many or to spread it - while you can't touch it's an utopy". My experience also suggests that this 'utopy' (sic) may be beyond the grasp of anyone other than dream catchers.
I particularly enjoyed that - so that my hands started to tremble and when i layed them over my keyboard - this text appared (shit happens)
The first president(potentate) of America wore a Masonic apron. The two Johns,evanglest and the Baptist are celebrated 6 months apart. Black and white just like the Masonic pavement. 64 squares of the chessboard. Who on the Daily Grail is a Masonic bretheren? Reading Leadbeaters Freemasonry and its Ancient Mystic Rites, what a trip comparative religion and the widow's son. Who exactly was Hiram Abiff? What traditions exist to sacrifice the Fisher King? Osiris, master of judgement and resurection is your ritual still working?
Hiram Abiff was the bloke who used to sell newspapers down on Bay Terrrace at Wynnum when I was a kid.
He had a black labrador dog that used to sprawl across the pavement and he (Hiram) used to spit past his customers.
Or was that Joe Cafferty.
Oh well, it was one of them.
Yeah, pretty sure I knew him Shadow, I think he was my dad.
The answer to the question about whether America is a Masonic and / or Templar mecca is - only if you define everyone who wasn't a Catholic sympathiser at the time as a Freemason. Masonry was a new antimovememt to the Catholic church with exciting little rituals and fancy costumes, appealling to rich folk with odd ideas in the same manner as the Golden Dawn did a few decades back.
I'm no mason, but you know, I would much prefer a decent conspiracy to the alternative. I would much rather it if, say, we were governed by intergalactic shapechanging lizards who had punched through a white hole into our little corner of the multiverse in order to enlighten humanity. If supra intelligent lizards were running the show and the Masons were in on it, great! The alternative is FAR more scarey: Bush sat on the throne, having a shit and thinking (in his very limited way), "Shall I bomb Iraq and kill 16,000 civilians? How much money will it make me? THAT MUCH?" - BOOM!
Unfortunately, if there is any intelligent group at the top, running the show, they have chosen monkeys as their public face. The fact that many such monkeys, and ordinary people, like to dress up, jump about on one leg and bare their nipples to each other doesn't impress me in the slightest and this whole Masonic worship thing that we have going on at the moment baffles me. I recently bumped into an old friend who had had a sniff of some of the myths going around today and, when the Templars got mentioned (first sign of madness)she starting talking about the Masons. "They know" she said, "They have the Grail".
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the Masons, nor the Catholics, Buddhists, or any other body of thousands / millions of people - they are a mixed bunch, like all the others - good & bad in all of them. People seek meaning to their lives in a myriad of ways and that's fine with me. But all the fawning and wannabe-ism gets to me a little. The meaning of life is known to many of us equally and personally I don't need to join a group and have others tell me what to think.
I reckon in about 20 years this current trend will be seen in the same light as Eric von Daniken's "Chariots of the Gods" and the Masons can all go back their Lodges and enjoy a good night out with the lads.
Are any of you Masons who have given opinions on this thread?
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The fact that masonic numerology is all over heinous false flag events like 911 means that whoever stages these things is at the very least coopting the symbolism to be cute, or they are perhaps something like Masons though perhaps with their own peculiar megalomania. It doesn't really matter - psychopathic murderers are psychopathic murderers. We are bound to find them out and put them away. It is not that complicated morally. Whoever is staging the public terror spectacles these days is probably mostly in it for the buck. The dress up is just to keep boredom at bay and to appear scary enough that they hope people will think twice before hunting them down.
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