Are the Giza Pyramids laid out to mimic the stars of Orion's "belt"?

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Someone pointed out to me decades ago that the significance of the Sphinx was that the head was feminine, not masculine, and represented Virgo, while the body represented Leo. This meant that it was built when the earth was moving from Virgo to Leo, just as we are moving from Pisces to Aquarius today. Simple math will give you the same age that Orion gives us. Just thought I'd pass this on.

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you mean an almost correct straight line?

or a shallow triangle?

there are only two choices for 3 points, a line and a triangle.

So unless we have some sort of record of what they were trying to do, it could be either one. They could have missed.

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The ancient architects of this planet were busy beings. Not only did they align the pyramids in Egypt with Orion’s belt, they plotted the pyramids on a Golden Mean Spiral.

(an illustration can be found at Dan Winter's site, http://spirals.eternite.com/)

Orion’s belt is also represented in Arizona by the three Hopi Mesas, in South America by the lines at Nazca (big monkey), in Mexico, England, etc.

I haven’t read Bauval’s latest book – maybe he mentions the synchronicity of these alignments. The alignment of these sites on a Golden Mean Spiral compels the discerning thinker to discard conventional answers (i.e., nonanswers) about why these sites were situated where they are.

Gary A. David in his article, “Spiral Gate: The Arc of the Covenant”, from Four Corners Magazine, Dec-Jan 2006, provides a map of sites on the spiral in Arizona -- http://www.fourcornersmagazine.com/ISSUE...

David says, "Orion’s belt in Arizona is where the ancestral Hopi, also known as the Anasazi settled about 1100 AD. The supergiant Rigel (Orion's left leg) correlates to Betatakin ruin at Navaho National Monument, while the faint yellow star Saiph (his right leg) is represented by the ruins in Canyon de Chelly National Monument. The red supergiant Betelgeuse (his right shoulder) corresponds to Homolovi Ruins State Park near Winslow, whereas the blue giant Bellatrix (his left shoulder) is equated with the ruins at Wupatki National Monument north of Flagstaff. (This terrestrial Orion is upside down compared to the way we see Orion in the sky.)

"Orion's upraised right arm points south toward the ruins of the Hohokam (another ancestral Hopi group) near the Phoenix metropolis. His left arm holding a shield, or a bow, is aimed at the smaller Hisatsinom ruins located throughout the Grand Canyon. Also depicted on this map are Taurus and the Pleiades, corresponding to Grand Canyon Caverns and Nevada's Grapevine Canyon respectively. A chakra line runs from the belt's middle star (Alnilam, corresponding to Shungopovi, first Hopi village settled) to his Third Eye (the ruins at Walnut Canyon National Monument). It continues southwest across Arizona toward the mouth of the Colorado River (not shown on map). In the opposite direction (northeast) this same line traverses the cliff dwellings at Mesa Verde National Park in southwestern Colorado (also not shown)."

The latest geological findings in Australia indicate that the Earth is about 130 million years older than previously thought, which would make it around 4.4 billion years old. So humans likely existed at full capacity back then – at one time humans were obviously using 100% of their brain capacity versus the 10% we’re currently using. Which leads to the question: If our ancestors were so smart, what happened to us? Did someone mutate us – dumb us down so we wouldn’t be a threat?

The other BIG question is Why were all these sites oriented to the stars? Why did our ancestors lay out so many sites in such a way as to knock us over the head with their obvious message? Why are there so many references to mathematical constants, the spiral, and major stars (Sirius, Regulus, Orion) and the precession of the equinoxes? Is it to "prompt" us to notice a pattern? To extend our sense of reality translation?

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The 10% usage of the brain is a myth. See, for example, here.

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earthling

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We probably agree on more things than is apparent in discussions here.

We just both have a tendency to emphasize, and explain in detail, points where we differ.

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earthling

But, it's fun, isn't it?

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Earthling: Thanks for the link reference. Sadly however, after reading it, I’m forced to the conclusion that if you’re using Benjamin Radford (no MD or other credentials after his name) as the sole source for your conviction that humans use 100% of their brain capacity, logic dictates that you are using less than 10% of yours.

Radford (who is he anyway?) argues, “that psychic powers come from the unused majority of the brain is based on the logical fallacy of the argument from ignorance. In this fallacy, lack of proof for a position (or simply lack of information) is used to try to support a particular claim. Even if it were true that the vast majority of the human mind is unused (which it clearly is not), etc.” For proof of the “which it clearly is not”, he offers a chapter in a book written in 1999. Hello? Did you actually read the article? Continued on "Deal with the Devil."

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Anon

We use, in one way or another, 100% of our brains!

What do you think?

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I would like to think we do use 100% of our brains, but the current world situation tells me we don't. If we did, we'd know why the pyramids are aligned with Orion's belt, there would be no water problems on the planet, there would be world peace, etc.

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Hi Anon,

I could not follow your link.

This is a link to an article, Myths About the Brain: 10 percent
and Counting
, by by Eric Chudler, Ph.D.

The author concludes, "It appears that there is no hidden storehouse of untapped brain power. We use all of our brain." He also explores how the myth began. I don’t believe that you’ll find anyone with serious credentials that will disagree.

However, that does not mean that ancient knowledge was not lost or deliberately withheld. Neither does it mean that we are more or less intelligent than out predecessors. Additional knowledge and/or intelligence would certainly result in different, perhaps greater, capabilities.

Bill

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Dr. Eric Chudler is a behavioral neurophysiologist who has specialized in pain research for the past 20 years. He may know a lot about pain, but his article on myths about the brain is far from conclusive about debunking the 10% brain usage theory. His overuse of the words ‘perhaps’, ‘unlikely’, ‘it appears’, ‘it seems’, ‘may’ (his personal favorite – lost count after 10 uses), does not make for compelling evidence or persuasion. He sums up his theory with this statement, “It seems reasonable to suggest that if 90% of the brain was not used, then many neural pathways would likely degenerate.” Does that convince you?

Until I get more substantial proof of 100% brain use, I’ll defer to the likes of psychologist William James, who wrote in 1908, "We are making use of only a small part of our possible mental and physical resources"; and Albert Einstein and Margaret Mead, who are also attributed with statements regarding human use of only a small portion of the brain.

Frankly, to have an informed discussion about brain usage, we have to first define what it means to use only 10% of your brain or 100% of your brain. Scientists have not been able to do that yet. Neither can they clearly define where the mind begins and ends (if it does). There are still way too many unanswered questions about the brain and mind, but based on the state of the world today, I’m sticking with the 10% use theory.

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Brain Calisthenics

Funny, I read your posts and had to dig up this old magazine I saved.

How did you folks end up talking about brain percentage from Orion?

OK, here is an old article; it is from LIFE magazine, July 1994. The cover story is ‘Brain Calisthenics.’

I cannot type it out, but it speaks about “Exercising your brain will make you smarter, and scientists think it could fend off Alzheimer’s too.”

“Evidence is accumulating that the brain works a lot like a muscle- the harder you use it, the more it grows. Although scientists had long believed the brain’s circuitry was hard-wired by adolescence and inflexible in adulthood, its newly discovered ability to change and adapt is apparently with us well in to old age. Best of all, this research has opened up an exciting world of possibilities for treating strokes and head injures-and warding of Alzheimer’s disease."

Building a Better Brain………

The article speaks about how to use vocabulary games, numbers and stimulating reading to increase your brain power. The more you think, the more you exercise your brain and you become able to access it. The electrical circuitry sees to get more wires and you are able to achieve more.

Thought I would add that to your posts here. It is a neat article. That is why I saved the mag. Too bad it is not online.

C

Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
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hello Anon ,

This is a bit of a non discussion, Earthling and CNNeK and the supporting scientists are right when they say we use 100% of our brain, but they're wrong aswell. You talk about capacity, the load, the amount of data the brain can handle, which is much more than we humans in our avarage day to day use handle. In fact the trend has been downward for ages because religion and these days science, education and media offer the general public simplistic easily digestable factoids and generally tell the public, dont think, let us do your thinking and all will be well.

On the matter of delibarate degeneration beyond what i mentioned above, thus thru xtra terrestial intervention, on a personal level this could happen(take out/ derail human brilliance), but in general intervention thru the pathways mentioned would suffice, possibly enhanced by (known)toxication effects thru our food/water fluoride being an obvious means to degenerate our pineal gland (it may have been just fifties science stupidity augmented by latter greed to dump the poison in us). I think its a healthy attitude to question, and naive to think the world 'out there' is benine.

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A television documentary show once said the constellation Orion represented Osirus to the Aegyptians. If I remember correctly, the consort of Osirus was Isis. Isis was at least as important to the Aegyptians as Osirus, so where is her Pyramid?

One of the two bright stars following Orion, either Procyon or Sirius is said to have represented Isis, so the Pyramid of Isis (if there is one) ought to be out in the desert to the west of the Giza complex.

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Brian,

We must remember that Orion in Egypt is roughly pointed south. More correctly, its head is pointed southeast. This is similar to the Arizona Orion correlation described in my book The Orion Zone (see link above that Anon provided-- thanks!), except that the Hopi version has Orion's head pointed southwest. I haven't read Bauval's new book yet either, but I expect he will delineate the pattern more specifically. However, in The Orion Mystery he says that Heliopolis (now buried under Cairo) corresponds to Sirius/Isis. Whether or not there was once a pyramid, I don't know, but Bauval does mention a Phoenix Temple at that location, which housed the benben stone.

Gary A. David

www.theorionzone.com

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There is an extremely interesting book on the pyramids called "GIZA THE TRUTH" by Ian Lawton & Chris Ogilive-Herald. See chapter 9 page342 for the author's view on this subject. The issue is discussed pretty throughly.

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An excellent book and one I have read from cover to cover. However, a little known book is 'The Giza Oracle' (it can be found on lulu.com) is an absolute gem. If you really want to know how the Giza Pyramids were really designed you will find the answer here. It puts the Bauval theory in its true context. The first chapter can be read online for free. Hint - the Giza Pyramids were NOT aligned to the Stars of Orion's Belt.

Cheers

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Watched and interesting doco quite a while ago regarding this subject. It presented some fairly compelling evidence showing links between the Giza pyramids, Angkor and other ancient sites around the world. Apparently, while the Giza pyramids line up with Orion at around 10500BC, many of the temples around Siem Reap (Angkor Wat etc) seem to line up star by star with the constellation Draco, only at around 10500BC. The same can be said for many ancient sites around the world, and 10500BC seems to be the lucky number. I don't know much about this, but enough to be convinced that the links aren't mere coinidence. Bit of food for thought for you all anyway.

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Re: Angkor Wat

There's another 'doco' from the BBC you should see “Atlantis Reborn Again”.

“every one of the temples included by Hancock can be explained in similarly well documented ways. Hancock includes only ten temples in the shape of the constellation Draco, but investigation of the Angkor region has revealed that there are more than 60 temples. It seems arbitrary to use so few out of so many. The correlation he has found begins to look more like coincidence than planning”

“Unfortunately, Ancient Egypt and Cambodia are Hancock's most important pieces of evidence, that monuments mirror an ancient blueprint of the stars. His claim seems flawed and Horizon has made a discovery which further questions his basic theory. It links a group of unique monuments with a pattern of stars. Here are the monuments on the ground looking north. The pattern matches one of the great constellations: Leo the Lion. These are the monuments: Grand Central Station, the New York Public Library, Macey's, Madison Square Gardens, the Central Post Office, a theatre, a university, Times Square, the Rockefeller Centre and a police station. The monuments are, of course, in Manhattan. The Leo master plan doesn't account for every Manhattan landmark, but using Hancock's criteria it doesn't have to. As long as you have enough points and you don't need to make every point fit, you can find virtually any pattern you want.”
The rest of the transcript is available at:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/science/horizon/200...

Chris

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Recently I have come across an astronomer whose criteria included every major pyramid in Egypt. The 'Big 3' pyramids do line up with Orion's belt, but there is SO much more to the picture!! An entire star map is formed of the major constellations and their orientation in the sky. Once more, this SAME star map has been found in the works of nearly every ancient civilization.....including Mars!

Here are some links for the meaning of the layout of the pyramids....

http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/newstarm...

I am still amazed at the similarities!

The message is redundant throughout ancient cultures. These maps point two stars near the Pleiades which have been verified as 'G-spectrum sun-like!'

http://www.thehiddenrecords.com/gods.htm

This theory seems to link everything! What do you guys think?

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If you want, you can find a close correspondence of the major stars in Orion, to some big green points on the 1987 $2 bill. You can say that with any other star pattern.

Also, in the small picture in the first link, showing Sagittarius, the angles don't seen to line up to much. And that picture won't let me look at a larger version. So that does not seem very convincing of anything.

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Dear Chris,

I have read your book, 'GIZA:The Truth' and been very impressed by much of what you say. In particular, I am in complete agreement with you that the 'context' of the Giza design is crucial to its understanding.

I have recently published my own book, 'THE GIZA ORACLE', which presents a mathematical solution as the underlying design imperative for the 3 Great Pyramids - it's available on lulu.com.

When we look at the layout of the Great Pyramids the first thing we observe is its geometry and mathematics. This is the real context of the pyramid design. My theory explains how and why the small pyramid of Menkau-Ra is mathematically) misaligned from the others but more than this - it mathematically links this misalignment with the curious 'bi'sectors' we find on the sides of Khufu and Menkau-Ra that are noticeable only from the air at certain times of the day.

In recent correspondence with John Legon (a strong critic of the Bauval Star Correlation theory), he has stated that my own theory is quite possible. If you would like more information I can send you my book - or you can download it yourself from lulu.com. Let me know.

Best wishes,

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Dear Creigs,

Many thanks for the kind offer of your book. However, Giza and ancient Egypt is for me now firmly on the backburner. I’m currently researching for a biography on Almina, the 5th Countess of Carnarvon.

Cheers,

Chris O-H

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Dear Chris,

Thanks for your reply. If you ever do come back tot he Giza issue let me know and you can have a complimentary copy of my book.

Good luck with your Almina research.

S.C.

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Hi Scott,

I am in the possibility to do GPR research at he Giza plaeau.

Therefore:

Can you send me your email address?

You can find mine at my website: www.howtosurvive2012.com

Google my name and you find it

Patrick Geryl

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The Orion Belt Star Correlation Theory presented by Bauval/Gilbert in the book, 'The Orion Mystery' is absolutely NOT how the Giza Pyramids were aligned. It may look that way but that is all. What the Star Correlation fails to take cognisance of is the clear mathematical context in which the Giza pyramids exist within. The alignment is mathematical and uses what I call the 'Great Giza Triangle' as the underlying design 'template'. Within this triangle are plotted 3 points using the 3 most ancient mathematical centroids (Incentre, Circumcentre and Centroid). This mathematical approach also explains the hitherto mystery of the so-called 'bi-sectors' found on the sides of Khufu and Menkau-Ra. This theory is explained fully in 'The Giza Oracle' - the first chapter of which can be viewed free on lulu.com.

Regards

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Hello Creigs,

Just read the 1st chapter and what can i say, it makes sense. However, so does having an anomaly under the desert sand at your apexpoint, considering current day gps technology it should be easy to go there and look for it. Maybe Robert Schoch or Ralph Ellis -currently posting here, can give you some tips or assistance to fund an expedition.
As they say put your money where your mouth is.

I'm posting direct access to your pages here The Giza Oracle

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