In Doug Kenyon's Forbidden Science, in chapter 9 the Astronomers of Nabta Playa: New Discoveries Reveal Astonishing Prehistoric Knowledge...I see the connection of the last parts of that once great advanced civilization trying to peep out to the future and tell us just how much they once knew. The great civilization's Educational Center in the Sahara area was now destroyed by parts of the Comet that is called the Carolina Bays Object at impact it was like a gargantuan atomic bomb impacting in the Chad area. The few that survived moved off to the East and met up with the Vedics who were moving West after vast tsunamis destroyed their ancient home of Mu and its outer island land mass — their combined knowledge created what would eventually be the Egyptian Civilization as well as the Hindu nations. They tried to convey to us their great wisdom but the Egyptologists have seen fit to create this silly scenario to continue keeping the common man in the dark about our past.
One wonder if the last little part of the once great advanced civilization might just still exist at a place called AREA 51.
Carolina Bays Effect...
What we see is exactly that effect of a comet disintegrating and it is the only means of creating oblong craters that dish out upon impact. Slush composed of plastic-like effects would indeed produce such craters in abundance. There are craters numbering some 500,000 all along the Eastern part of this nation. As one who has worked with the geological survey and have seen this type of crater, we surmise that this is indeed what happened. Some have not the mental capacity to understand how this complex object could have produced the visual effects and the subsequent breakup of one composed of much ice, rock and iron would indeed break up at the angle it approached and would indeed produce potential for many elementals to go into orbit; plunge at the low angel across the face of the earth; and produce the oblong, elliptical craters. i have seen these on the ground and from the air.
Where does...
Area 51 come into play?
Sacred glass
I have seen images of egyptian jewelry made with 'natural' glass, the kind that's made when the desert sand is melted due to a tremendous heat, like the impact of a comet—or an atomic explosion, if you want more unconventional explanations.
I suppose the egyptians might have realized the significance of the glass, and kept them as a reminder of that great cataclysm.
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It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
Or ...
...they might simply have thought it was pretty.
Regards, Kathrinn
LOL
Yeah well, that works too you know :-)
BTW, did you know the name the aztecs gave to gold: "excrement of the gods". A short, subtle and deep phylosophical treaty in just one sentence, right?
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It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
Gross!
!!!
Regards, Kathrinn
What?
Hello Osc,
I have read your post- I have tried to figure this in my mind and just can not seem to do it. How would people move from the East to the Sahara Desert if the Atlantic Ocean is in turmoil - or did they hike across the North American Continent , and cross the Pacific? Where did the tsunamis come from? The comet impacts? If so, from which direction? and then again, if this is to be a model, land masses would be helter skelter and how could they possible head on to the desert as the gulf and the other waters would be in turmoil and possibly flooding and, well, I just can't figure it. And then when you add Area 51 in the scenario, it starts really beginning to read like a crock......
I quote your last few passages and will comment.
"They tried to convey to us their great wisdom but the Egyptologists have seen fit to create this silly scenario to continue keeping the common man in the dark about our past."
Nabta Playa is astronomical in nature and there is nothing suggesting that is was erected by superior beings. A person needs to realize that the stars and nature were what early man was very aware of as they were dependent on understanding the seasons. Even if it took many generations to understand the cycle of the Sun, Moon and a few planets, this is very acceptable as they did not have TV to watch, YouTube or high speed internet. They watched the movement of the sky and tried their best to understand it. Point: IF they erected a standing stone circle and the Moon and Sun did not fall correctly on the stones, within (minimum for the Moon) 56 years, they could be shifting the stones around due to the Moon's cycle and by the 57th year could have began to get it correct......And that gives plenty time as well for the movement of the Sun (and the would see stars moving around in rotation - or the rise and fall of constellations during the night).........They have not uncovered vast palatial buildings, art master pieces, metal tools, skyscrapers, quartz clocks, nothing that would suggest an advanced civilization. If survivors of Mu and survivors of where ever else came together and combined their knowledge, there would be some evidence in the archaeological layers suggestive of advanced civilizations - this has not been found YET. What did Mu have as a society that would be considered high science and knowledge besides astronomy? Astronomy is one of the most ancient sciences. Did Mu people use metal smithing, cut diamonds, have lasers, just what did Mu have if it were to exist to qualify it as an advanced civilization? And , please do not say they used telepathy instead of telephones, or used their minds to move objects -- as if they could manifest such things, they could use their mind to create many things, not just standing stones......
Area 51
"One wonder if the last little part of the once great advanced civilization might just still exist at a place called AREA 51."
I read you were asked to comment on Area 51 - How do you connect Area 51 which is in the high desert outside of Vegas to survivors of an East Coast bummer and then Vedics .....There has never been an artifact discovered with an initial on it as in 'Made in Mu', 'Made in Atlantis' 'Made in ????????' and there has never been any artifacts found YET that could even remotely be regarded to stem from an era such as Mu. There has been no scripts, no tablets, nothing found with a history of Mu , Lemuria, Atlantis, nothing except tales by a few in relation to Plato and some early AEs.....but, all of that can be fairy tales - and not even true........Until SOMETHING is found that can be dated way back when ever in time, it is premature to consider such things based off of a story that Plato wrote (and one must be aware of the politics of the time and grand manipulations). In an analogy, it would be some what like 500 years from now, some one reads Edgar Burroughs' stories and then claims there were Martians and weirdoes living in a valley having sex with female apes and then cloning the offspring so they can be used for slave labour to build golden gates into a crystal city where Utopia is to be found- But, no bones are ever found to prove bodies as such, no walls of crystal buildings, no golden hinges to swing the gates, no test tubes or scientific lab utensils-- and if it was to be Utopia, why would there be slavery ? AND no tablets, writings, scripts or recorded records or any kind defining the civilization - other than of course Edgar's sci-fi books.
SO, anyway, can you please express how Area 51 ties into Mu and Vedics and AE and, and.......
As far as Egypt being a lost ancient civilization, there has been no evidence proven yet to even suggest this. No scientists, archaeologists, anthros, geos, no one agrees on an ancient lost civilization that erected Egypt. There has been nothing found YET in any archaeological records....Researchers and people of science have not found anything to prove a lost culture. Egypt has been studied since its first awareness........Egypt is not a modern phenomenon.....It has only been those who are into unproven mystical thoughts that have suggested Egypt came from Atlantis - think about it, read about it. I personally do not think there is a conspiracy trying to hide the fact that Egypt was once an offshoot of Atlantis or MU. For one thing, if it was, it would be marketed as such for even a greater tourist attraction and capitalized upon. People who are uneducated in the history of people, hunter-gatherers and such are not aware that Egypt evolved through many centuries of little footsteps of advancement until it became home for modern cities of the time. If you are going to say that the GP was built by survivors of Mu or Atlantis, then, there too lies insufficient data and ignorance of early make shift pyramidal models and not giving credit to the AEs for their knowledge of astronomy. Aliens did not have to come here to tell the AEs about how the cycle of nature works - as that was what their main studies were and they even used nature, as in icons called Neters, to define values and thought processes.
Until something is found to substantiate a more ancient civilization other than Giza, Nabta Playa and other areas, it is premature to say more advanced civilizations existed before they did. And then you must define what they were more advanced in? What? Super highways? Hybrid cars? Spaceships? Duracell batteries-forklifts and cranes?
SO , please explain your drifts............
I read your post and had to comment just because it is so far out and I wondered if you were tripping again. I too, wanted to say hello and hope you are fine.
If interested I had written a little simple layout of the AEs timeline .........I do not remember how to do that Href = thing for links to make them look nice, so for now will just post the link.
http://circulartimes.net/Ancient%20Egypt...
XC
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.circulartimes.org
www.robertschoch.net
Baalbek
Dear Colette:
There are many ways to explode the limitations of what might be termed contemporary "official" thought regarding the nature of reality, time, and virtually everything else, including ancient history.
This can be accomplished without invoking far fringe ideas or emulating Semir Osmanagic.
My personal inclinations are for "inner" routes, but archaeological anomalies also intrigue me. (Our official Western culture is still outwardly focused and has been for thousands of years, although this is beginning to change. Its science reflects this outward focus, of course, such that inner explorations are often treated with disdain.)
The impossibly huge stones amongst the ruins of Baalbek in Lebanon certainly fall into the anomalies category and are worth investigating.
These aren't the only anomalies, not by a long shot, but like all such peculiarities offer solid material "proof" that something is definitely missing from the official explanations.
Is it possible that some ancient Egyptians, convinced that they had all the answers, perceived those who believed in non-official explanations as "crackpots?"
Regards
Bill I.
RealityTest
Oh...
...the riposte. Fabulous.
Esoteric argument is blown apart.
Completely.
A rather unfortunate reliance on bullshit.
Well bloody done...
best I have seen in yonks...
Oh the humour.
Ha bloody ha.
Ha.
ha.
Shame though.
I guess we just don't understand.
YET.
Oh well.
Muffins anyone?
Typical...But it will begin to look better after the brainstorm.
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ult...
Typical...But it will begin to look better after the brainstorm.
http://forums.atlantisrising.com/ubb/ult...
The entire Earth was covered to some degree or another with human population when I was borne here. Though some parts of the livable ground were highly inhospitable to the human form, we developed systems to work around the Ice that began to form some 40,000 years ago at the poles. Much of the Earth was covered in Ice and was very different places in comparison to the present state of the environment. Days were mostly calm and weather was less than since the catastrophe. Population of the whole Earth did not exceed 500 million souls. Yet, in the distant past, some 100,000 years ago, life was very compact on this planet — not unlike the present time, 2008. The oceans were less and were almost 1,000 feet more shallow though the mountains were higher; there were always Ice caps on almost all of them as they stayed there year round. Most humans lived in the lowlands not far from the sea. Farming and Agriculture was highly advanced with canals and planting domes everywhere present to use the extremely active and fertile soil. Large animals were created to assist in the farming and arboreal secession via genetic development. Each animal was developed for a specific talent to assist human developers in the Primary Technology Research. Harmony of these systems was then, highly developed.
Micro and Macro systems were highly developed during those days. We understood how powerful the micro systems were so we could build very large structures and machines to manage the land and develop the resources of the Earth. Extracting energy from the vacuum of either drove our power system/s. Mercury was as today’s oil industry. It helped power our Ult-Shemas in all forms down to our Shemas. We did not utilize the wheel as much as is used in the civilization of today. We had few roadways or expressways due to our travel via animals or flying in our Shema-systems. Most access to Earth was accomplished by entry points which were found all about the lands. Their forms which were pyramid shaped had moving stairs so people could move up into the Shemas (Mercury/Plasma Catalytic Devices) You may currently know of this old system as MEG overunity systems or adjacent devices called Brown’s Gas systems. There was no cost to travel anywhere on the Earth. There was no cost at all. We traded anything of high value for like value or gave of our collective and vast wealth. Energy was free and available to everyone for their movement utilization whether bodily or used for simple home states. Almost everyone had just about everything anyone else had and to envy another was not a positive trait to create worth in an individual. Achieving worth was our highest goal for each of us had a mission in life.
An Earth Overview: The condition of the Earth some 12,000 years ago. The geological environment is much different from that of 2012 or our time. The Earth is full of extremes. Very cold regions and uniformly perfect climate for other regions.
More to come
Brainstormy Weather - All the clouds up in the sky -chemtrails?
"The entire Earth was covered to some degree or another with human population when I was borne here. Though some parts of the livable ground were highly inhospitable to the human form, we developed systems to work around the Ice that began to form some 40,000 years ago at the poles. Much of the Earth was covered in Ice and was very different places in comparison to the present state of the environment. Days were mostly calm and weather was less than since the catastrophe. Population of the whole Earth did not exceed 500 million souls. Yet, in the distant past, some 100,000 years ago, life was very compact on this planet — not unlike the present time, 2008. "
Osc, where and when were you born?
"Mercury was as today’s oil industry. It helped power our Ult-Shemas in all forms down to our Shemas. We did not utilize the wheel as much as is used in the civilization of today. We had few roadways or expressways due to our travel via animals or flying in our Shema-systems. Most access to Earth was accomplished by entry points which were found all about the lands. Their forms which were pyramid shaped had moving stairs so people could move up into the Shemas (Mercury/Plasma Catalytic Devices)"
"You may currently know of this old system as MEG overunity systems or adjacent devices called Brown’s Gas systems."
Brown's Gas - Willie my friend is converting his truck this weekend.And that is all he talks about.
WILL from site: "Our easy conversion guide will show you how to use electricity from your car's battery to separate water into a gas called HHO (2 Hydrogen + 1 Oxygen). HHO, also called Brown's Gas or Hydroxy, burns smoothly and provides significant energy - while the end product is just H2O! HHO provides the atomic power of Hydrogen, while maintaining the stability of water."
"Mercury/Plasma Catalytic Devices" is energy for your Shema-systems? "Mercury was as today’s oil industry." Are you saying that Mercury flowed as oil or that it had a bi-product that flowed through pumps and nozzles?
What are Shemas?
"Days were mostly calm and weather was less than since the catastrophe. Population of the whole Earth did not exceed 500 million souls. Yet, in the distant past, some 100,000 years ago, life was very compact on this planet — not unlike the present time, 2008."
You sound like a person reading stats on a relocation site and census org.
Osc, this all reads like sci -fi rambling and it does not make sense. Also, there was not so much mercury floating around back then, it is also poisonous and it expands with heat and contracts with cold, so, it must have been itsy bitsy in the cold climate of which you speak. But, none of this is realistic........I went to that Atlantis Rising link, are you that Orion von Koch fello who is posting there? He writes just as you do.
I could take almost every sentence you wrote to flow into the following sentence thereafter and break them each down and show that what you are writing is a bunch of crock...........but, that would take too much time and I feel me just saying it should suffice. Any one with rational brains will read what you just wrote and wonder if you have slipped off the coner just a tad bit.
Why don't you explain what some of the terms are you are choosing to write and fill us in on if you think you were alive thousands and thousands of years ago and you are thinking into the future, or you are alive now and wondering what it might have been like in a fantasy reality that you are tripping on in present time....which way is it Osc?
I prefer it when you write on Schwaller's work, that is tangible and has references and mathematical formulae- 1400 pages of it to be exact, in "The Temple of Man"..........
Well,please explain yourself, what is going on here..........and don't say I just don't get it. I do - from my reality.
Still you have not told me if you were doing fine and what you were up to, but, the way you answered me, I tend to think you are in your 2001 Space Man archetype hero frame of mind and what you are doing is tripping out. WHY? Are you not painting pics right now or are you in depression about rotting and getting old again?
137--------------------------I know that number.
More to come
Lots of love to you, I am smiling, you just can not see me.
Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.circulartimes.org
www.robertschoch.net
Vims
I think what your "learned' friend is referring to are the Astras (or Vimanas - depending on how far back you go) that are mentioned (in some cases in a fair amount of detail) in the Ancient Asian Indian Vedic texts.
There were two main texts: The Samara Sutradhara - a scientific treatise dealing with every possible angle of air travel in a Vimana, and the older Vaimanika Sastra (or Vymaanika-Shaastra) which has eight chapters, with illustrations, devoted to Vimanas! From memory one propulsion method used Mercury (or the elusive (and supposedly relatively innocuous) Red Mercury.
One defining characteristic of Vimanas was the 'melodious' sound they made when flying (in some cases with great gouts of smoke cascading out the back - not great in these carbon emission sensitive times...)
As for using the term Shema instead - well... that's got me. I thought Shemas was an Irish Christian name..... but then what do I know. I am not an immortal who has lived on this planet for the last 25,000 years.
Please - show some respect for thinking, challenging humanity. There is nothing more irritating than people who claim to be either channeling an ancient spirit or even to be that spirit incarnate. Using the oh so typical language constructs of pseudo superiority and attempt to bamboozle us muggles with words that, frankly, make no sense.
We just don't get it huh?
If people spent more time being real instead of trying to build up their self esteem levels through bullsh.t we might actually get somewhere trying to untangle the web of ancient history.
I vote for rigorous scientific analysis and debate.
And muffins. Don't forget the muffins.
Yes, Colette
Enigmni-Freak, Oscar, Orion von Koch and various other persona names are all the same person - perhaps that's how he's managed to live for 40,000 years. No wonder he often complains about getting old!
Have to agree with you about the sci-fi/crock thoughts, and he still hasn't answered the question about Area 51.
But that's Oscar, he never does answer questions, only posts more obscure stuff which we're evidently too dumb to understand. However, I'm happy with how I am!
Good to see you posting again - you've been away too long. Hope the jewellery is doing well.
Regards, Kathrinn.
Points of Departure...
Key to all of the above...WHAT IF!
At localization in dreams, while they have only their thoughts to review, lowly Alphians blossom in guilt and beg for mercy for their fallacious lives. As I know, guilt was hard to shed when only the darkness was our partner in sleep — sleep that is not illuminated by personally perceived charisma. Our very bane was ourselves.
While illusions grow in the Alphian and Alphi/Omegi states, consciousness of the real world decreases into a fabrication of their own imaginations. (Is this because self-oriented illusive life produces more social and personal consequences via living lies?) Beings sense a feeling of, "Is this all to being?" Individuals caught in this web become easy prey for being leveraged or manipulated through emotional trickery that is really guilt-ridden serendipity. With a persona modified by regret, realization of being taken advantage of, seeps in on the morrow for the complacent entity. After Alphians are driven to lower self-realization, many seek revenge through violence, which only perpetuates their naive condition in an amplified forum. Then it is learned by the collective populace.
Beings who experience the "leveraged-illusion" have produced most of our social problems, including the lack of interest in our early learning systems. Their particular lives were built upon reinforced infrastructures of collusive behavior. Hate-gangs and other undesirables can proliferate in a world full of self-perpetuating lies. Hatred needs creative change and perspective to lesson its bonds on an entities early mind. Such a change requires the ability to rise in higher-ordered cognitive skills that reflect the Logos (Reason). The introduction of such a non-collusive paradigm ushers in a field of creative panorama where life is seen as Truth and Love.
All these things the Enmayi knew, as recorded here, yet they lost it in the end. Would that I had such a start in my beginnings as they did, but not their finality.
My society, at that time, was poised within the tacit-dynamic of living and being towards a civilization based upon achieving improved wisdom and mental expansion for the masses. The Enmayi’s progress was straight-lined and then the plummet to oblivion — the record here shows. Our pre-Omegon climb was such a mess of lies, that reversing the trend seemed to be the only alternative to survival. Our striving was for the goal of the highest state rather than the antithesis. We sought the climb to super levels requiring encyclopedic-scope of knowledge and the memory of who and what we really were. Relevant educational purveyance was devoid of leveraging techniques, though we knew the principles well from the failures of earlier cultures. Self-destruction was a concept that we overcame as we advanced away from the status of victimization. Self was subsumed. We realized that the collective was the true reality. We were the Other.
THERE ARE THOSE WHO THINK AND THOSE WHO NEED DEPARTURE FOR THOUGHT...THEY ARE FEW.
I knew it Osc
I was just waiting for you to remark about the "What if?" your quick exit for a fast cat trick. I have seen this before in your writings. Well, that is OK I guess, look at how many authors get away with writing bunk and sell millions of copies, if they can do it, I see no reason why you can not - it is to be a free world ( but, in reality it is not and some conspiracists might even think you are a planted entity used to screw the minds up of the low self esteem Alphians thereby where "Hate-gangs and other undesirables can proliferate in a world full of self-perpetuating lies." Gangs usually have leaders.........Oh well, what to do with you Osc................
Yes, I like muffins.
NO, have not made any jewelry since Dec. - it has been a tough go for me this winter, I am starting to pull out of it a bit and get on with some life again. I have read some stuff on the Grail, just not up to commenting - I peek in here and there.
This may be off topic for Osc's post, but, I did rig my tv up a few weeks ago, I get one static channel now. It had Montel Williams on it and this woman named Silvia Brown/e? was on the show. I wanted to actually write a post on her as she blew it when a family asked how their daughter died - and it was quite a mess I thought and even Montel was trying to cover for her. I had then remembered I heard about her on the Grail in the million dollar challenge thing.......What a crock she was - man oh man. But this is a totally different topic. I got side tracked with Osc's post that was so far out, I really didn't want newbies reading it and believing it so thought I should write some truth - because ----- what if ------I had not?
Pass the muffins please.
OK, bye bye,
XC
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.circulartimes.org
www.robertschoch.net
Well, it's good to see you around here once again Colette :-)
Go easy on Enigmni, sure most of what he writes doesn't make much sense to me, but then again maybe it's my fault for trying to rationalize everything with my left hemysphere. I think what he writes (fiction, hyperreality, whatever we want to label it) is intended entirely for the right part of the brain.
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It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
I was born on an island called the Isle of Youth.
"The entire Earth was covered to some degree or another with human population when I was borne here. Though some parts of the livable ground were highly inhospitable to the human form, we developed systems to work around the Ice that began to form some 40,000 years ago at the poles. Much of the Earth was covered in Ice and was very different places in comparison to the present state of the environment. Days were mostly calm and weather was less than since the catastrophe. Population of the whole Earth did not exceed 500 million souls. Yet, in the distant past, some 100,000 years ago, life was very compact on this planet — not unlike the present time, 2008. "
Osc, where and when were you born?
I have lived for eons...as have you.
My material is not a lie...
I firmly believe that some of what I post did indeed happen and that if thinking folks just got a little off their own selves they might see the forest for the trees.
insults
Enigmi-Ron, if you would ease up on insulting anyone who disagrees in the slightest, people might listen to you more.
People do listen to some extent. But more than once you have insulted everyone as simple minds, before you even got one single response.
Why do you do that? Thinking people can come to divergent conclusions.
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if everything is under control, you are not going fast enough (Mario Andretti)
Take care how you position others???
Dear one, you position me with your own words. Perhaps you too should reevaluate your terms. I truly love all of humanity. As a teacher, I know the mindset that disallows one from learning. It is called "YOUTH" and those who do not invest time and circumstance into study soon get left behind and then complain that others do not understand them or they should have bent over backwards to just give them a free-ride. It is high time suffering came into the picture for the real learner. One must pay the price to know the secrets of the universe. Knock and the door will be opened. Seek and you will find.
quite right
All of us, including you and me, have to be careful of positioning others.
Think about that Enigmi, please?
With all the criticism that I send your way, I do consider you a friend of sorts. I value your approach. It is just that I request, nay, demand that you at least consider my approach as well.
There are many things that I have studied, there are many things that I have done, that you have no idea of. Perhaps these things are not relevant, but you do not know that.
So remain calm, and talk to those who would talk to you. I can't see anything wrong with that.
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if everything is under control, you are not going fast enough (Mario Andretti)
Hi Red, Bill ---Hey Osc did you miss this?
Osc, did you miss what I wrote to you?
"Lots of love to you, I am smiling, you just can not see me."
I am goofing with you because you do write things that are weird and people usually have a go at you, it is typical and an etched pattern with you and your posts. I think you love it when others write , "hey, Osc, what the?" .....WTF????
Anyway, if you were not the same and you started acting different, I think I would be truly concerned.
You are like a target that is fun to toss darts at because you are so glaring in your position. Come on, fess up, you love the victim role then to turn it around to the control freak role.......its your game and you play it well. I bet you smile every so often when you read come backs. You can then think of something to write to top the other and "put them in place." !!!!!!! Master, Master, Master.
Why do you have so many names?
So, what about Area 51?
Here is one for you: If "some" of what you write is the truth, what about the rest of what you write, what would that be considered?
OK, OK, ....
Still smiling , you just can't see me.
XC
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.circulartimes.org
www.robertschoch.net
fummins
The ironic thing about this thread is that most people who read our dear friend's message (well at least one hopes 'most') are familiar with this approach.
I've come across it so often I have run out of fingers and toes (and I have 23). As Red Pill says, there is little point in getting het up over it. Just suffer it and smile.
Is it a stream of consciousness rant? The literal manifestation of a disturbed mind? Whatever - it is skimmed for those wee gems (as madness often contains kernels of creative genius - sometimes even a direct line to the Urr (or whatever entity (ies) you believe in, subjectively real or imagined, or at least the verification of which cannot be confirmed or denied) can sometimes occur. If anything it provides a spark for further investigation. A lateral approach.
At least the liberal USE OF CAPITALS is avoided I guess. Aka 'web shouting'.... that just gets tiresome.
I just hope, for your own sanity and peace of mind - that you don't actually believe the stuff that you are saying. Dipping into the realms of muggle empathy I would be saddened if that were the case, as it could lead to a very lonely existence.
From an MD's perspective the ranting is typical of schizo behaviour, characterised by low self esteem and hence a retreat into fantasy. One could box it and say - male aged between 19-26, product of broken family, highly intelligent, history of drug abuse, lives alone (or with 'like minded' individuals), gamer, suffers form delusions of grandeur. Has low self esteem hence tries to garner attention by being outrageous then passionately defending that outrageousness by insulting fellow contributors.
Or am I merely reflecting my own shortcomings through a veiled attack? Ahhhh....!!!
Whatever. As long as no one is physically hurt (or irreparably psychologically or spiritually damaged).
Keep it up. If anything it is sparking a few aspects of esoterica I had forgotten about.
Afterall, if it gets too much I can just stop reading....
I'm just gonna hold my nose, do a strange dance involving fractal merkhabic patterns, spin round widdershins, yell 'ehleileilei' and vanish in a puff of smoke.
Mentality is God's Gift...
Humanity has been given a mind to see His reality. One has but to search and they will indeed find the truth of our existence. You may poke fun at what I say, but eventually, you will find that my words are indeed truth...Think about what I say and learn to read between the lines. Koan.
I have many names due to my silly days in High School. We all gave each other names back then and some of us had a bunch due to popularity and audacity. I am as audacious as they come and believe strongly in tossing out ideas to expand the mindset of my buddies. I am a child of the 60s and an old rock-n-roller full of it. I love to paint and create, but hidden in all I do is a gift from God... just a tiny bit of wisdom for my buds. I truly am in awe of being here in Time/Space.
Cheers
Koanal
Dude - that is not a Koan.
...and it is about as Zen as a Hummer.
We are all children of the 60's in one way or another...soulfully, physically or chemically.
So.... you went o high school? Was that Minoan High 25,000 years ago or Baltimore circa 30 years ago?
Painting and creating is good for the soul. Food in fact.
Just out of interest... Why do you lay the mantle of educating your buddies in the wisdom of the multiverse upon yourself? Why do you think you need to do it? (I'm interested in the mindset - no pisstake)
Here.
You are a colourful man Ron.
Shades of Starlight and of 'Nothing in this book is True but it is exactly how it is'
This why I try to educate my Brothers and Sisters...
Movement identifies being as it strives to become, while undulating from dimension to increasingly complex dimension. Humanity may discover the singularity of the Nemo or nonbeing while thinking upon "All Things" if they have the capability to contemplate deeply and inwardly. From within a swirling vortex of gestalt-euphoria, one may pause, and someday say to himself, "What am I?" "I am Mind -- there is Me." They will discover that they exist because they know they participate in thinking. Outside of themselves looms the ever-present Other which is everything other than themselves. Then they realize that they would not exist without the Other, and that the Nemo or no-being would be them if the data that the Other provides was not present to cause them to move in the divine dance of communicative revelry through feedback.
Upon birth our mind is with the Universe as we crossover into manifestation. Learning of the physical world begins immediately as we join the great arena of human matriculation toward fulfillment of becoming. As infants we garner information via communication with the Other forming billions of feedback loops that bring the Other into the reference-plane of our mind. We literally suck-up the information mirrored into the cursor of our mind's eye from the outer world and incorporate the macro into our micro (as above, so below).
Our existence is reinforced by mirrored information. Data from the outer world become our domain and we use its info as a tool for motivation in a physical state. Our mind takes on burgeoning mental power with each event sequence that impacts our past understandings. Soon we become the Me -- that self-oriented entity that thinks it made the universe and the Other isn't so great after all. We forget that we are the sum-total of all we observe. We are the Other, without it we would not exist.
When the entity becomes the Me, the Law of Consequences of the Universal Essence of Divine Providence is locked into its very being. The time of reckoning has dawned. We become responsible for our existence as well as the Others. Interred within the flesh of this physical realm, we once again seek the euphoria of our past freedom. This causes a concentration upon the self and its development toward adulthood. The self becomes the prime-directive of our young lives. We become obsessed with ourselves using every tool at our disposal to leverage for control and power in order to climb toward the top rung of life's apparent ladder. Greed, fear and self-gratification is born within to hide the power of the Other as we seek only recognition and adulation from all others to reinforce our own immortality over theirs..."I am the greatest!"
Total preoccupation with the self increases loneliness within the individual as it draws the Me closer to the Nemo or void of non-being. At first we selfishly seek recognition from the other to reinforce our existence which is tied up in the ego. We use superficial stuff to impress upon the other our power or beauty. Later we use false-love giving attention only if it is returned abundantly to mirror our existence and satisfy our desire for self pleasure. The giving of gifts to bribe for recognition--a smile here, a wink there, an affair consummated just to keep the selfish phosphors of the interior energy-source shining will only dull unless one leverages Love in Truth. False-play only creates the illusion of the true reality that we seek...Love. That is why so many lives are now in the vortex of chaos.
Some of us become so concretized in our selfish loneliness that we lash out at others in anger to force ourselves upon their recognition sensors. Insecure in our own fear-filled drama, we seek to destroy others because of our living-illusions about the primacy of self. Some are so fearful that they do not exist in reality, that they will steal, rape, kill or be killed to reinforce their brand of selfishness. "I demand recognition -- I desire homage without pay!" The Other will not recognize them, for they have strayed to close to the edge of the Void and have become the Nemo...a victim of "what goes around comes around."
True Love is always possible to the Me if selflessness is present and Other is understood to be an integral part of ones existence. The old Golden Rule of "doing good to others as you would have them do good to you," is a reality because the other becomes inherent in you. Think of what you really are, and realize that all the people you've met, everything that exists outside of you makes you what you are and think. You are your experiences. All of this Other is inside of you via your human senses. You make decisions based upon their mirrored gifts of learned data and subtle influences. Their images and expressions are part of your mental beness. You are them and they are you thus setting up a human feedback-looping that interconnects all of us to one another in a broadcast of holo-being.
The interfacing of the Me with the Other can create the ultimate love if selflessness is the cause for being. Mother Teresa was an example of pure love for others. Because of her purity of love freely given, she had no law of consequence impacting her being. She was cleansed, and became free, no longer encumbered with this physical realm. Her example should be taken up by all of us so we may become like her…and escape from this wheel of physical being into the Timelessness of the All where everything is present.
Our dreams suggest its reality — for in them, we may visit everything, everywhere and at anytime. The universe becomes "open" in our dreams.
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.... you know what I think the challenge is Enigma F? The challenge is to say what you said in this post in such a way that an everyday person can understand it.
Someone with no knowledge as opposed to a little or a lot. Or rather who doesn't have the intellectual base that one needs to get a grip of what you are saying
That is the true path.
It is easy to wax lyrical using complexity as a way to sound like you know what you are talking about (no personal attack intended here - speaking hypothetically) - it is hard to say it simply without lapsing into koan or nonsense.
Alan Watts was pretty good at it.
I concur with some of what you have said, having been on a similar path for the last 20 years or so (I am also a child of the 60's - albeit the late 60's).
I believe the gnostic viewpoint (which you seem to vaguely subscribe to) is very useful as a method to know (as far as one can 'know' the 'unknowable') the Urr. As is EM vibratory theory - as a method for understanding the soul/spirit and where it fits in with the multiverse.
I recommend a book by a little known author in the Antipodes... It is called Music of the Mind by a man (now deceased) called Darryl Reaney. It is a seminal work. Seriously seminal. He pretty much nailed it.
On the flip side I also wonder if the whole spirit ego thing is just a ruse - and in fact what one needs to do in order to survive once the mortal coil has unwound is develop the ego to such an extent that it doesn't dissolve and you have the tools necessary to survive in the multiverse against all manner of nefarious spirits.... that eat souls for breakfast.
the dreamed becomes the dreamer..... the sliver of ego melds with the other manifestations of the spirit.
I recommend R.A. Schwaller de Lubicz and Hegel
For those who cannot comprehend certain data it is of hope that they will endure the sufferance of learning new things in order to determine the secrets held therein. I have paid the price in my life. I now read most of my books three and four times with a dictionary held nearby. I am a former journalist and know how to write for the kids. I taught in American schools where we were encouraged not to teach above the eighth grade level for the twelfth. But I am also one who knows of the laws of the arcane and deep. One must pay the price for certain knowledge. I have that knowledge now and I will be darned if I will make it easy for some lazy bloke who does not truly want to learn the hard way.
We once were highly advanced as a body of humans and we lost it because we sought the easy way out. Pay the price or go to the mall with the rest of them.
both...
...of whom I am familiar with.
The priestly caste in history made knowledge deliberately arcane in order to create a barrier, for the every man, to knowledge.
I am not suggesting you dumb it down. I am merely suggesting that the gnosis of knowledge will be better placed if it's goal is to raise humanity up from the apes we are, rather than hiding behind pseudo intellectualism in order to satisfy the power cravings of the elite.
Paying a price for knowledge is a cop-out.