Hello Oscar and folks,
I moved this to a new post so others will read it now as the other is down the page some. I saw you had written about Schwaller again. At some point weren't we going to have a discussion group about him I thought? It would be a great thing to do if there were some participants. How about it?
I like the Temple of Man very much. Schwaller de Lubicz was a Frenchman who studied ancient Egypt and Pharaonic Consciousness. Most of his work was derived from the Temples of Karnak and Luxor. He had found the reliefs and architecture to encode specific mathematical laws . Neters and Hieroglyphics were expressing views of the pharaohs. Geometry and mathematics were used to express "gestation" or the beginning of life and "consciousness" . His volumes of The Temple of Man are in a set of 2 and are 1400 fine print double sized pages of text and mathematical calculations. He wrote about the Egyptian's knowledge of medicine and anatomy. There are lovely pictures and diagrams in the volumes. Inner Traditions published the first English translation of the French. Robert and Debra Lawlor translated the text and Lucy Lamie contributed her original illustrations. Historical pictures are used and I have no other book that I possess that is so dear to me that encompasses ancient wisdom that I can relate to.
Schwaller is obviously controversial in traditional Egyptology. Schwaller was the first on "record" to wonder if the Sphinx was older than originally thought because of water erosion. John A. West (JAW) studied Schwaller's work and that is where he got the idea of the Sphinx possibly being built before traditional Kafre. There is much controversy over the dating of the Sphinx, but it has settled down now because other geologists have now had time to study different variances of the erosions found on it and have come up with some new data. Schwaller was an eccentric, but, it is seemingly the eccentrics that are the movers and shakers of the world and have the ability to focus with patience on matters that no normal man or woman would have the endurance or tolerance for. For 15 years of his life he studied those Temples. He lived, ate and drank Egyptian- haha...(The Bangles' song - Walk Like an Egyptian reminds me of him). Here is a paper on The Temple of Man that is a condense thorough study of the 2 set volume. It was a 4 month project to read and calculate every page, but it was well worth it and I am much more educated about many things than I was before. I view the world and life much differently for it and in a more positive way. It is a great book.
The Temple of Man. The book is available through Inner Traditions and also Amazon. It is a keepsake "book" (--2 volume set beautifully bound). The Temple of Karnak is awesome too. I have that as well. It is loaded with amazing photographs and text of his work on that Temple and surrounding area. Inner Traditions carries that book as well.
I hope you enjoy it.....it has been a while since it has been posted here- maybe 2 years or more already I think.
XC
Because of Lubicz I thought of Tommy Lee Jones
The deepness of THE TEMPLE OF MAN has taken me far because I have been infatuated with all that is Egypt since I was five and that makes it sixty years now. I see a very advanced culture when I look at their hieroglyphs and what remains of their world astound me. Lubicz paints a grand gestalt of their means of conveying knowledge and wisdom via symbolique. Their way of thinking has allowed me to look for the deepness of happenstance. My life is full of meaning and it is expressed in my art and writings.
I have become an empath due to much of his work and that of Manly P. Hall — especially his SECRET TEACHINGS OF ALL AGES.
Some years back, I was in attendance of a Polo Match at the edge of San Antonio. I was developing a city magazine that we wanted to turn into a Statewide Monthly back then. I went early so I could get my photographers ready for the event. So I was sitting in the stands by myself watching the polo participants riding their horses on the large expanse of grass before me. I was about 40 then. A "hand" (working cowboy) came up with his dirty old boots and dusty hat and sat down about seven feet from me and quietly said howdy. We both were looking out at the field but we had that long distant look of sages. We talked about life in West Texas with the sheep, goats and horses and don't forget the cattle. We spoke of the symbols of suffering out there that we apparently both loved. The dust rose up with all the old rocks and the smell of mesquite on a wood burning stove with a full coffee pot fed with a "throw" of coffee grounds and an occasional spit. We both saw the gestalt that we conversed about. It was a trip into my soul full of memories of my past days on the ranches and farms in a land established by God. Sunsets and morning smells grasped both of us as we talked in little stories. I told him of how I saved a university football coach on the Rio Frio part of the Governor's Ranch. We laughed. I guess we talked about thirty minutes or more. It was an experience I will never forget. Then reality got hold of me and I realized I needed to get my guys ready for the photo shoot. I told the cowboy that he seemed like he once was a friend of mine back in the old days on the ranch. I asked him if we might have gone to high school together and then asked him his name. Toma' Lee Jones he said. I told him I had once gone with a girl named Jones and asked him if he knew the Jones family near San Angelo. I told him I had really enjoyed talking to him and shook his hand and said, "Nice meetin' ya." Later we had a few shots up at the club with the Hollywood Stars and there he was — Tommy Lee Jones. He winked at me as we took shots for the magazine. Tommy Lee and I might have been good buddies in another life...I sure enjoyed just talking to the cowboy in him.
Life is highly simple yet full of consciousness that seems to span all of humanity. We in the world now could do well to learn the symbols side of knowing...the side the Egyptian world included as reality — one that is never ending and includes life and death in one body of knowledge...gestalt meaning.
Great Post C
Mmmm
I don't know why, but for a moment I thought you were referring to these other temples of mankind
PS: That's a GREAT story you wrote Enigmi Freak :-)
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Just saw your post Red
Hello Red,
I went to your link, those are marvelous temples. They are so beautiful. I love architecture, I love the ancient's passion for incorporating so much art in their structures. So much detail and hand work. Surely the artist's contemplations are in the vibes of the building. Just think of the lives that were lived and all that was put into those places. Each little detail was usually created by one person who spent their life time creating pieces of architectural constructs and components. Modern building trade is minimized by cost and looks bleak. I suppose the slave labor was cheap. However, even being slave labor, they were artists and free to live their life working at what their passion was - art! So much beauty in the ancient's architecture for sure.
Much spiritual encoding was used too so the structures themselves were held sacred. The dwelling or work place of such structures were more in tune with the cosmos as harmonic proportions to man and the earth were used in relationship to the size and character of a room, entrance, window, or particular hall -----gardens had refined areas, pathways to halls were carefully designed so the path to meditation and prayer had begun in the actual physical journey. Modern structures lack this concept. A small percentage of architects do practice ancient principles. There are some schools of architecture that do teach sacred geometry and sacred proportions. The Prince of Wales Institute of Architecture does this ( I think that is the name).
Anyway - Nice link Red.......
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
Yes, it is very sad.
I work in the architecture biz. What I hate most about it is that there is not a real effort in most architects to truly use geometry to create a sense of harmony in the persons experiencing the space. Truly great architecture is paying attention to even the most minute things (God is in the details after all)
It's not about aesthetics, or the materials used; you can be modern and still capture harmony through good architecture, I'm thinking for example in Frank Lloyd Wright's buildings and houses. I myself are more akin to Mies Van der Rohe than the Art Nouveau movement.
I think you are right in that we can actually sense when a building was made by men who were all too aware that they would not LIVE to see their work finished. What humility! That is truly a labor of love (leave something to posterity, without expecting a direct reward), and the cathedral in Barcelona La Sagrada Familia is but the last remnant of this tradition
But for many in the field (my boss included) it's all about 2 things: Pleasing their OWN aesthetic desires (regardless of the client's needs!), and making big $$$
I sure wish to learn more about sacred geometry and phi, to try to incorporate them into my designs...
But getting back into the topic, I stumbled upon that website and the Federation of Damanhur a couple of years ago when investigating about Isla Friendship in Chile. What struck me most about these temples they were building was not only that they were actually digging inside the rock of the mountain, but that they started with a bunch of people with almost no material resources, but that they compensated with TONS of determination. I respect that in all human endeavours.
They also claim their leader whom they call Falcon have psychic abilities and has made astral travels to Atlantis. To that I don't know what to think, but it sure seems his movement keeps thriving.
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Self Reproduction
I do like the way the Egyptians conceived "The Beggining." I would read some words and get a piece of paper out. I would draw a line and then start making marks on it, as in below zero and above zero, this was my way of viewing the words. I had no idea the chapters to follow would use mathematics to define cosmology. The explanation and method in which the Egyptians explained gestation is very primary. To begin with one and then self reproduce out of enfoldment, much as the Scarab does when it reproduces. It rolls itself into a ball and gives birth to its self through itself. I am fascinated with the neter scarab and all it represents.
I do not want people to choke if they see numbers and equations, it is very simple to understand the way the diagrams are drawn, and this is all derived from the Temples mostly.
Tommy Lee Jones is a great natural actor.
You were tripping for sure there Osc. I have not spent time in Texas, only driving through it or held up in airports. You speak about Texas with a watering mouth for bar-b-q !!!!
XC
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
The Real Tommy Lee is just like me.
Both our talents aside, Tommy Lee and I are just old West Texas boys. He used to eat at my brother in law's restaurant THE ANTLER, just to get away from silly folks. He did not like attention and wanted to have a little peace. I respect that, but I did not recognize him until later when my photographers were taking shots at the Stars who were at the polo match. I know how he feels...sometimes its just nice to be a human on the ranch...just spitting and scratching. Lookin' far off is a Godsend.
My favorite is to make some real black coffee on a wood burning stove at 3:00 in the morning — right before goin' out with the dogs and getting the cows ready for milking.
I really miss those days of peace.
Our senses - subliminal - and?
Hello,
I am not familiar with the Federation of Damanhur, Isla Friendship in Chile or "Falcon." I do not know what to think about people either who talk about being reincarnated Pharaohs or Queens, or soul travel to Atlantis. I wonder why they can not be John Doe or Jane Smith from Weaverville. I have met 2 different women attending the same conference at the same time telling me they were reincarnated Cleopatra -- how can that be? I am very aware of other dimensions as far as our brain being able to perceive realities on a level that is not necessarily regarded as three dimensional. Such as having abilities to know the future as in precognitive states, being able to move objects with the mind, unusual events that actually happen, but are not that too familiar in society. The term paranormal was derived from: as not belonging to or pertaining to the norm ----(but, we know that - right?) ---- if things out of the norm had not happened the term would have not been developed as there would be no need to define abnormal situations or anything that is not normal, average or customary.
Our societies and cultures are divided by religions and government. Our personal being, as in being human, is basically the same ( except for the variants in ethnicity). We experience emotions and thought patterns from the electrical circuits of our brain. The typical person is wired the same.This is what has been defined as normal. My question many times is this. Has the human brain undergone a transformation and lost some of its capabilities of intuition, creating mind over matter, telecommunication - yak yak yak.....because technology has advanced and the need or use of the abilities has slacked through time because it was used less and less? Instead of developing into a higher state of awareness and being able to discern with our own minds and "know" and communicate, we have digressed because we have not used those particular senses; instead, we have used technology......Also, when the masses got more out of control and the governments started taking over and religions were peaking, the use of any senses that were not definable / controllable and were a threat to the authorities were suppressed in fear of the "lock em up" grade schemes. Of course there were some cultures that encouraged the senses, however they were usually small and moreso hidden away from the mainstream of civilization ( even thousands of years ago). Instead of developing those brain centers that support those senses, the brain was stifled. Suppression from religious groups and governments have been going on for eons of time and it is not just within the past 800 years there has been a trend to "kill" or "put away" any and all of those who exhibited powers of sorts.....yeah, suppression of the senses is what happened and also technology...bugger....................But, then again, some religions encourage development of the senses.
Architecture , I am not a Frank L. Wright lover, I was not into his lines. His chairs were very rigid, his homes, well, not for me - what can I say.... I am more of a curve person. I design architecture and use to build. I have incorporated harmonic proportions in my designs, especially the sub trade of tiling and masonry. Kitchens, Patios, Baths, Pools.....Murals-Mosaics.....I designed a beautiful solarium using ratios of the diatonic scale. When I do my layout on the site I even use ratios . My home, I have rebuilt and done the same. Gardening, everything I can alter and create harmonious regions, that is what I tend to do. I am a strong believer in the area you dwell having a sense of balance to it and creative atmosphere. A human brain can subliminally pick up many things. A badly designed home or any structure can cause confusion, tension, mental atrophy, just many things......people live in areas like that and go nuts or end up having a stressful life. They do not take into account their daily surroundings and the subliminal effect on the brain. Chaotic lines, unbalanced and very unsymmetrical lines can make the brain go into a state of constant "trying to figure out where the parts go in order." Well, it is hard for me to put it into words, but, I hope you can catch my drift. The Temples in Egypt (Karnak- Luxor) were built using the ratios of the Pharaoh's cosmology, as in The Temple of Man. What the Egyptians were doing was subliminally teaching consciousness to and creating consciousness in the dwellers of the buildings and courtyards.
Osc, I Have a wood stove in my kitchen I use to cook off of and heat during the winter. I love it. I love woodstoves since I Was a kid. There is something about them that makes me feel comfortable and cozy -besides making the food taste so good.......yummmmmmmmmmm.........I use the French cookeries.
C
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
www.robertschoch.net
Wood I, Wood I...
But you don't have mesquite. Or do you have such in your parts of the world?
My wife and I love the French food we get just down the street from our house. It is cooked on wood also. Good stuff.
I must go mow my grass...I love doing that. I use the old walking mower like they did back in the 60s. It brings me back to earth and reminds me of when I was a kid going around the neighborhoods making extra money mowing the grass for all the folks.
Café de Olla
Thank you for your insight Dr. Dowell, I pretty much agree with everything you wrote. I think we all have this gut feeling that mankind "lost" something in the past, that despite all our technological breakthroughs we are far for realizing our full potential. We can only hope this tendency will be reverted in the near future.
I take it that you wouldn't be much of a fan of Zaha Hadid's work too. Or Frank Gehry! I kind of like what they do, but I'm not sure I would be comfortable living in Bilbao's Guggenheim museum! :-)
PS: Hey Enigmi, even though I couldn't now imagine my life without technology (lived in a city all my life), I can certainly appreciate the wonders of a good food cooked with a nice fire, like the ones my relatives do in Ocotlán Jalisco (you most probably know barbacoa, but have you tried birria?) followed by a nice cup of café de olla, which is a coffee sweetened with soemthing we call "piloncillo", and served in a nice clay cup (add that a pinch of Tequila and you're pretty much in Paradise!).
Saludos.
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It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
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