The Official Website for the Documentary
http://www.deliverusfromevilthemovie.com...
Map of known incidents
http://www.deliverusfromevilthemovie.com...

Latest blog regarding clerical abuse http://www.sexpriestsandsecretcodes.com/

-----------------------------Truth is stranger than fiction.

Pam

There is more sex in the name of Jesus in the Christian Church than most people can possibly immagine! So, let's look at the whole Christian Church and not just the Catholics. The Catholics got caught and I'm not defending them. But, they are just the tip of the iceberg!

Everybody knows that I hate religion , especially Christianity. But, what you don't know is that I learned to hate it doing research in Seminary, not Catholic, and I have a Seminary degree to prove it, M.Div. I have never served in any capacity in the Christian Church and I never will; because, there is No God! I'm a businessman and that is all that I will ever be.

What do you think?

cnnek

{You Can Teach People How To Think Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think!!!}

Hey Pam,

I checked out the website and am very keen to see the movie by Amy Berg. There was a brilliant movie made a few short years back called "the Magdalene Sisters" which explored Catholic abuses toward unwed mothers (shock! unwed mothers?) in the 1960's. If anyone hasn't seen that movie, I can highly recommend it. I'd be interested to know what Shadows thinks of that movie.

It seems the soundtrack of "Deliver Us from Evil" includes the Johnny Cash song "god's gonna cut you down" ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpTLvVgr8...

On a slightly tangential note, cnnek, how're you going? Always good to come across a fellow travelin' ex-tian. Kierkegaard was my undoing (thanks Søren) ... his book "faith and reason" in particular helped me to find dis-salvation. If you don't mind me asking , where did you do your MDiv and what was the focus of your thesis?

Hello,

I think that the reactions here, are too dismissive of christianity, this i feel has been the rc church purpose from the start, i agree that the catholic church bares all the hallmarks of having been run by satan(to put it in their context), but lets not confuse the message with the messenger. And there is a big difference with the protestants in so much as that misbehaviour there is individual sin, and not as with the roman catholics institutionalised evil, where the biggest demons have roamed at the top.

ps You might remember that Christ himself expressed his opposition towards priesthood as such. In fact this was at the core of his message, drop the intemediary.

A matter of choice;
Intimidation, corruption and lies, or serenity, sharing and sincerity.

Hi everyone,
I have been reading through the comments again and looking at the links.
So Pope Benedict XV1 is of homosexual orientation.You know I would never have thought of the sexual orientation of a pope had I not read it on one of those links.

This is a sad blog because you can see the tragedy of the lives affected by the Christian churches.
I saw a doco about Father John Geoghegan(sp?) of Boston and how he was protected by the Archbishop and ultimately I think the Cardinal.
The Jesuit who was dealing with the situation of abuse in the church told a gathering of clerics that he very well knew who was screwing whom and to leave the kids alone!!!!
They showed the gathering and the speech right there on the doco and I can vouch for it.
I was stunned!
Even at this stage of my life I am somehow always stunned when I see this sort of thing.

I believe that the Catholic Church actually instills some sort of abusive behaviour in the priests and brothers by this constant insistence on so much being sinful and then the necessity to confess it.
Can you imagine a priest sitting in a confessional listening for hours to 7 yr old kids confessing to impure thoughts.
The nuns told us that the lavatory was the Devil's house and that if we talked in there we would go to hell.
We were all confused about our bodies and hated them.In some convents the girls had to bathe themselves under a big shroud so they could not see their own bodies.
We went to sleep at night with our arms crossed for Jesus above the covers and God help you if you had one under the covers in the morning.

Whatever, it is a sick sort of society, just as sick as those who stone little girls to death for talking to boys.
No matter how far you go in your life, the memories of abuse are always with you.
YOu can try to dump the baggage but you can't.It is like victims of the church carry scars that never heal and remind them always that the institution that should have helped and protected them, instead sold them out for less than 40 pieces of silver.

shadows

from what I read here, I see folk reducing Jesus' creation of His Church to their level, and that definitely is unpardonable. Jesus stopped an adultress, sinner from being stoned, means to me, no human will ever be perfect. He told her to sin no more. He didn't condemn her.

If a seminary or religious institution condones illicit behavior they will be judged according to their deeds, we don't judge, Jesus does.

What puzzles me is what's the big deal about a strict religious order. Did they sexually abuse anybody themselves? Shadows should read what Catherine Emmerich went thru, She was the basis of inspiration for Mel Gibson to produce his Passion of Christ movie the gnostics and zionists ranted and raved vehemently against. There is the complete text of Catherine's ecstasy on the *Net to read.

These religious orders base their discipline upon Paul's view of purging out satanic influences in your life. If yer favorite sex partner is called Rosy Palm, that in itself is not damning, unless yer using yer rosy palm on some other person's spouse. Nun's were the spouse of Jesus, thereby making them sacred vessels. To have sex with a nun who took the vow of chastity with Jesus, is damnable on both parts. Luther broke his vow, his wife broke her vow. If a nun don't get dispensation from the Vatican to absolve her from her vow, she is still obligated to fulfill it. Shadows definitely knows that.

If a divinity school is not devine Paul told folks to get out of it, so what's wrong about seeing it for what it is, let Jesus mete out His divine justice and count yer lucky stars, To say you walked away from religion totally is an insult to Jesus, and you pay the consequences for that decision.

Kierkegaard is a typical scandinavian loser. He got sucked into the new trend of socialist communism and saw it as meeting his needs and he turned his back on Jesus. I read some stuff by protestant theolgian types who fall into the 'how many angels fit on to the tip of a needle' school of thought. Like Shania Twain song goes---that don't impress me much. I have yet to find a protestant theologian of the Thomas Acquinas variety. Martin Luther started out that way as an Augustinian monk, but he let money get in the way, you know the sale of indulgences thing.

What started out as a petty gripe on his part forced him to chose mammon over Jesus, why, 'cuz he got married to a drop-out nun. He didn't have the staying power to live up to his vow of poverty, chastity, obesity. He preferred to be pussy whipped.

Remember what Jesus said about His personal creation, His Church will last til the end of times and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. If folk drop out, there is no guarantee they'll get a chance to casually drop back in when the antichrists' 666 road show hits town.

I am quite adept at writing clear coherent sentences and still manage to inject ironic humor into sensitive subjects.

Shadows mis-read or felt under attack by my observations about the concept of free-will I should have spelt out in caps. I took for granted the gnostic thing going on here was that folk submitting were 'enlightened', something that should constitute a gnostic, a topic I submitted for everybody's reading enjoyment.

I did not use the words, my thread is about 'free-will', I see my mistake, the next time I contribute I'll come down to a 12 y.o level of sophistication instead of the statistical average of 13.

Some guy who tooted his horn about his degrees in behavioral psych knows 2/3s of humanity is functioning at the intellectual level they were at age 13, only over time do they become a somewhat more sophisticated 13 y.o. I use the same approach every newspaper in the world does, since they realize this fact as well.

My thread spelled out quite clearly, if folk see the decadence going on have the free-will to avoid it, not encourage it, not partake in it. If folk turn a blind eye to it they have to live with the consequences of their own decision. I am not into playing God with folks' lives, that's Gods' prerogative. If 1/10th of 1% of all ministers in the world sex abuse folk, do you think God is gonna turn a blind eye at their Judgement Day.

Just 'cuz gnostics don't believe in Jesus or Judgement don't change this reality or existence, it only reflects a gnostic opinion which can be analogously equated as follows...opinions are like yer nether eye sphincter, everybody has 1 and they are all backed up by a pile of--excrescence of yer choice, like diarrhea, etc.

Since Shadows has a negative opinion about a woman who like Padre Pio had the privilege of bearing stigmata and both sustain themselves only on Communion wafer and water sez more about their willingness to share their suffering on behalf on humanity than Shadows' cheapshot.

I wasn't aware the Pope can usurp the soverignty of any country he feels like if they abuse its citizens. The Pope is not elected leader of these countries, citizens have the right to rise in revolt just like they did in France, Russia, U.S to get rid of despotic rulers. There is mass poverty in U.S, China, Russia, India, is that the Pope's fault as well? What does being catholic mean if the political power is wielded by a fanatic like Castro for example.

Look at every country dominated by muslims or arabs, look at their mass poverty, is the Pope responsible for that too?

I mention Thomas Acquinas 'cuz mainstream scientists are quoting him in scientific papers. I can't imagine these scientists being concerned about Acquinas describing querulant, constipated women afflicted with PM living outside the walls of nunneries or convents. I take it Acquinas was politely saying the women's libbers of his day were no different than the Valerie Solanas' of today. Have you read Solanas' S.C.U.M manifesto, Acquinas' description aptly fits character of Solanas.

Shadows, when will we see you produce a controversial film of the magnitude Gibson did. I did not put Mel on a pedestal, I made a point of saying he beat the gnostics and zionists at their own game in succeeding in getting the film made and distributed. By the way what is the theme and title of your Opus Major that will shake the foundations of the world.

Shadows, imagine if you ended up abandoned in a ghetto gutter like India, Haiti, Indonesia, China, etc instead of a convent as you depict. Would you be alive today, would you have been forced into child prostitution and discarded like yesterdays garbage by age 20 if you were fortunate to live that long. How many diseases would you be afflicted by in the gutter. You gripe and groan like a spolied brat instead of sing praises of thanks somebody cared enough to shelter you from the other reality I just depicted.

Yer aunt had a better grip on reality than you, She saw the positives, you saw nothing, that is what I find to be sad.

I wonder why the initator of this topic painted with broad sweeping strokes in such a definitive manner, that to suggest it is demeaning to all non-guilty members of the clergy is not possible, The scene here is reminiscent of how Gibson portrayed the trial the Pharisses conducted before Pilate,

By virtue of stating their opinion in the start of these threads, Christendom has been tried and condemned of everything the initiator declares. The follow on comments re-inforce this condemnation as if it is proven fact before a court of law. I see only a lynching party mentality going on. I witnessed this phenomenom on 100s of topics on The discovery channel Tomb forum.

Folk ain't as genteel or civilized as they pretend on this forum either. The gnostics are reinforcing their locked in concrete positions even to the point of preferring to go to hell for them,,well, guess what I ain't gonna try to stop ya. If ya already greased the skids of yer bobsled ride to hell, I shore ain't gonna play superman and rescue ya from plunging into the abyss, nosiree bob.

Acquinas said something else that is trendy besides his intelligent creation deposition, the science crowd is taking credit for coining. In answer to why is there evil in the world, why would God tolerate it, Acquinas said, evil is the absence of good. Just like Jesus said if you are not with Him you are against Him. That leaves satan as the only other act in town, and now you belong to that nasty devil, by yer own free will, don't that really make yer lil' ole' gnostic heart jump for Joy, only she(Joy) resents it 'cuz she don't want nobody jumping her bones, it ain't kosher... somebody's remark about long pork..

One thing I notice is all the folk going thru the motions as if they were auditioning as wanna be cheerleaders for Antichrist and his 666 show as I peruse the threads of these topics, I witnessed the very same, gotta get my gnostic mojo going, so I don't miss out on these antichrist cheerleader auditions on the Discovery Channel Tomb Forum, that forum is loaded with ding-bat gnostic dim-wits, go there and read it for yerself.

I even sense the bubba dubya enthusiam of his 'Bring'em on' bravado as he dumps more hapless troopies into Iraq and Afghanistan quicksand. This time its gnostics tooting their own horn, only question I have is where will ya find all these suckers, I mean gnostics to hop on yer bobsleds.

Now if somebody will please call me a UFO, not a taxi, I wanna get off the planet ASAP, its a bigger dungeon than 0z is.

its nice to know irony is not dead yet, I be deeply upset if i ever discover I be the last person on the planet with a sense of humor.

Now to go tangential on yawl, the initiator's conspiracy, what happened to it, Did the Church get strapped down to the bobsled by mistake. I'm just musing out loud here. I would have never guesssed a true believer would jump into a toxic loaded topic like this. They be few and far between, to me gnostics are blazing away as fast as they can reload. Is anybody here called toeless 'cuz they couldn't wait to draw their pistol out of their holster?

Since Bush took a cheapshot at Jesus and posed as a messiah Bush has to take up that blasphemy with Jesus when he faces Judgement. That why I call him bubba dubya, that's a typical Bush shoot from the lip comment only a bubba would do. I describe gnostics as crypto, pseudo bubbas, by the off-the-wall talk past the topc at hand responses I read here.

Besides me having fun yanking yer chains, you give me tons of adlib humor to add to my collection. bubba. I dun thunk youz guys saw my drift and now you lost it. Ize gonna try to do a 12 y.o readability check on yawl, give ya sum bubba tawk, heah.

Duh, thanx fer calling me a UFO, where is it, I don't see it parked on my roof. Do ya mean you strapped the UFO ona bobsled as well? Well, like bubba sez, ya ken call me anything ya like, just don't call me late fer supper. yawl.heah.