Dawkins on Intelligent Design
Posted by Cernig at 02:28, 01 Sep 2005In the Guardian newspaper today, Dawkins is particularly clear on the fact that while ID advocates demand flawless evidence from evolutionary theorists and pick every gap in the fossil record as a fundemental flaw that "of course means ID is right", they don't apply scientific rules of evidence rigourously to their own thinking.
The equivalent evidential demand of creationism would be a complete cinematic record of God's behaviour on the day that he went to work on, say, the mammalian ear bones or the bacterial flagellum - the small, hair-like organ that propels mobile bacteria. Not even the most ardent advocate of intelligent design claims that any such divine videotape will ever become available.
Biologists, on the other hand, can confidently claim the equivalent "cinematic" sequence of fossils for a very large number of evolutionary transitions. Not all, but very many, including our own descent from the bipedal ape Australopithecus. And - far more telling - not a single authentic fossil has ever been found in the "wrong" place in the evolutionary sequence. Such an anachronistic fossil, if one were ever unearthed, would blow evolution out of the water.
As the great biologist J B S Haldane growled, when asked what might disprove evolution: "Fossil rabbits in the pre-Cambrian." Evolution, like all good theories, makes itself vulnerable to disproof. Needless to say, it has always come through with flying colours.
Similarly, the claim that something - say the bacterial flagellum - is too complex to have evolved by natural selection is alleged, by a lamentably common but false syllogism, to support the "rival" intelligent design theory by default. This kind of default reasoning leaves completely open the possibility that, if the bacterial flagellum is too complex to have evolved, it might also be too complex to have been created. And indeed, a moment's thought shows that any God capable of creating a bacterial flagellum (to say nothing of a universe) would have to be a far more complex, and therefore statistically improbable, entity than the bacterial flagellum (or universe) itself - even more in need of an explanation than the object he is alleged to have created.
If complex organisms demand an explanation, so does a complex designer. And it's no solution to raise the theologian's plea that God (or the Intelligent Designer) is simply immune to the normal demands of scientific explanation. To do so would be to shoot yourself in the foot. You cannot have it both ways. Either ID belongs in the science classroom, in which case it must submit to the discipline required of a scientific hypothesis. Or it does not, in which case get it out of the science classroom and send it back into the church, where it belongs.
There's far more, all excellent. Definitely a must-read for anyone seriously debating the topic.
Regards, C
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11 May 2004
2 years 14 weeks
In part answer to Greg's question on my previous blog entry and in the interest of stimulated debate, here is the website of the main lobby group for ID in the United States, the Intelligent Design Network.
Please note they have close ties to the Institute for Creation Research, particularly because of the current campaign both are waging to have ID taught as an equal theory to evolution in US schools.
The ICR website says clearly:
We believe God has raised up ICR to spearhead Biblical Christianity's defense against the godless and compromising dogma of evolutionary humanism. Only by showing the scientific bankruptcy of evolution, while exalting Christ and the Bible, will Christians be successful in “the pulling down of strongholds; casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ” (II Corinthians 10:4,5).
Regards, C
22 February 2005
2 years 16 weeks
but I could not get out of my mind the vision of a Simpsons eposode of which Lisa had a small community of bacteria that found inteligents growing in a speciman jar..........
If we are ever to think deeply...we need to exspand our thinking to realmes as yet unseen.......
I'm sure Oscar could explain this better.....providing he left out his 'holographic'theory for now.
All I get from these thoughts or theories now of great thinkers is a 2 dimensional aspect......just because you can't touch it or feel it or see it, does not mean it doesn't exist.
The ego's of the system over many hundreds of years, always claiming to be correct...the world is flat...the earth is the centre of the universe...
Some one comes up with a new theory....great, fantastic, this is good...but, the evident holes are seen and then the ego steps in on defencive mode and we end up with a head full of disinformation in the form of a death roll to stay alive.....this helps no one but ensures the theory stays alive for awhile to further clog the massive stores of unfinnished work.
When will the boxed in heads start to think out side the box????
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24 June 2004
2 years 40 weeks
where Lisa created Lutherans.
I'd have immediately stepped on them.
shadows
22 February 2005
2 years 16 weeks
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24 June 2004
2 years 40 weeks
This is one of my nights when I roam the house all night like a ghoul.It must be a full moon.Or it could have been on MOnday.I hate MOndays.
Have you got Kat's email address yet? If so, ask her for mine and I will tell you about Allora.
shadows
22 February 2005
2 years 16 weeks
who needs live chat....we are now...hehehe.
shit...midnight..must go to bed....eyes are burning!
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