Hello folks. I am not sure if this is proper to post here on the Grail or not, but I was thinking of something.
You know how 911 and the Towers were hit and such and there are a lot of conspiracy theories about it. Well, I was thinking when I read this on BBC, what if this was an inside job.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/47064...
Reasons for me thinking this is why would the suicide bombers that hit the Tube in London hit where they would cause minimum damage and in the poorer neighborhoods, when they could have gone to other places in the Tube like Picadilly Square, Kensington, or other locations where extreme damage would be caused and the rich people would get hurt. People who would be really missed in government and the likes. Kind of like when the supposed Pentagon got hit with the airplane that was never totally found, hit on the side of the Pentaogn that was not being used and there were no people there when it could have moved just a bit over and really done some damage. I question this because I know DC very well in that location as Crystal City, the patent office and major industries have their Law firms and such right next to the Pentagon and Pentagon City mall is right underneath where the metro is.
OK,........So, then here we have terrorists bombing in locations on the Tube in London that don't really make a dent in the "industry" or "power" structure.
What I thought was weird is when I looked at these photos and they could be of any one. THere is a box where you can click to open and view more images, that was even worse. The faces are all blurred, there are only half of them showing and then the one graphic of the man on the bus alone looks like it is a cut and paste job. I say this because of the pixels and the black outline around the one right side of his body and the quality of detail and lighting in his face verses the quality of detail on the bus and then the black line where his body is cut into on the right of the picture looks like it was dotted in the rest of that side to make it look not so fake, but look at the picture. It looks like a graphic that was made.
I say this as I create graphics and I can see how it could have been created. I could make one very easy and of higher quality. So, look at the faces of the suspects they are looking for and you will see there are really just blending type faces in a crowd. You could never identify a person in a line up from these photos nor truly recognize them if they were right next to you staring at you.
It almost seems like they are trying to fake everyone out and say ,"Hey, we have these dudes on camera.....now lets find them." As if they are really looking for them. I have a funny gut feeling this might have been another inside job when the conspiracy side of Colette pops up.
If when I post this and it does not link, I am sorry. I copied it over and pasted it in. I am being honest, I would like to know what other people think when they look at these photos.
Or is this not appropriate to discuss conspiracy a little bit here on the Grail? I would really like some people's opinion of these photos and their thought on the London (Blair)job.
Also, I would like to say in an earlier article posted last week I think, they said Blair was saying something, so they quoted him and had his picture up. In the quote I read or saw nothing about the United States or Bush mentioned, but the picture they had of Blair was him standing as if he were speaking, but behind him in a little different focus was a picture of Bush?????? Now I thought that to be subliminal message type stuff.
With all of the pictures they would have of Blair all by himself, why would they choose one with Bush in the back ground????? I think it feeds the war hype in Iraq and "They" are sending signals to "Us" that we still have to be at war or occupy Iraq because of the terrorism. If there is no war , the economy fails and also "They" need to keep their grips on the oil.
If there are no acts of terror, then why have a war? Also, now the Patriot Act is going back up and reconfiguring again and such.....something is going on with that now too. So the timing is all so convenient. Like it was choreographed or something.
No, I am not tripping. I am thinking about what I have just read and seen and little red flags went up.......
I am trying to write in a coherent fashion and make some sense so people can understand what I am trying to express and then the questions I am kind of asking or consider my possible paranoid point of view.
If any one can make it to the link before it is changed or they close it down completely, could some one please comment on what I have just asked and wondered about? What do you think?
Thank you,
Colette
pentagon
Quite a few people died at the pentagon site, didn't they? That part of the building wasn't empty.
There are conspiracy theories like this, that this has all been the CIA and/or Mossad faking all these attacks. Killing their own civilians to justify a series of wars. Faking a large number of attacks, not just these few. And convicing every single government in Europe, including those that opposed the Iraq war. That would be quite an achievement.
Did the CIA set up Al Jazeera and Al Arabia as well, to better spread the message of the fake terrorist organizations? Are they in Afghanistan so they can control the Opium production there?
This looks like an unlikely construction that starts with the desire to find USA being not just the principle culprit, but also involved in great detail in all these conspiracies.
Of course those pictures don't prove anything. They show that some guys were, supposedly, in some locations at times suitable to place the bombs. So were a lot of other people.
This sort of tactic of terrorism is aimed at the minds of the population, by using the media. That's fairly well known. And it is not new either, the IRA has done it, as has ETA, the PKK, and the Muslim terrorists in Russia. And then there is the worthy tradition of Palestinian terrorists, using very similar methods. These people worked together with the Bader-Meinhoff group in the 1970s, in case you forgot about those.
Hey Earthling
From what I understand, no, not a whole lot of people died at the Pentagon. At that time of day the underground and that area is jammed. That part of the Pentagon was new and really didn't even have files in it. I do not know what to think.
I do not know about the Al Jazeera and Al Arabia thing. I have heard of the opium production but, there is so much flying about, I do try to ignore alot of it and get on to what I can persoanlly do to make my life better and help others. I do not read too much negative news and I do not watch regular television. SOmetimes I do read what is going on and it is painful and sometimes I either cry or get very angry.
I think those photos are bogus though. I think that one photo last week of Blair with Bush in the background was a subliminal message of some sort. I do know the war is more about oil than terrorists though, like the weapons of mass destuction thing was a decoy. But, that is what I think.
I often wonder about people's lives who are led by fear of conspiracy. I know there has alwasy been manipulation of the powers to be to control the masses. Why? I do not really know. I think humanity as a whole if given no external pressures would actually be good. It has been the few in the world that has caused most to be bad. It hurts my feelings and I wish things were different but, all I can do is sometimes say what I feel and then question my perception and then try to improve my thoughts and in my own mind manifest a better world.
I saw photos of starving babies from the farms I think that are in Africa?? Or somewhere. I wondered why is it that adults portray babies as suffering and not adults as much. We try to protect women and children before men. Why is that? Is it that women birth babies and babies are innocent and do not deserve the bad things that happen? Isn't it that most people suffer at the hands of the power then they turn against them selves and others out of anger?
I am not sure of anything about all of that. But, I have oftened wonder why is it we love babies so. Is it their innocence we desire and crave and try to protect? Is it we wish to protect them from the inevitable? Sometimes those babies turn out to be the bad ones though. Maybe we love babies so much in hope that some how love will help turn things around for the better. So we love them and nuture tham and protect them hoping that knowledge and love we give to them they shall remember as adults and life will turn around and the world will be a more positive place.
This baby I saw, the skull was like a conehead. It was a Nigerian child. I thought of the Pharaohs and the coneheads, I think a lot about stuff when I see visuals. Visuals trip me out and trigger many thoughts in me. If they do that to me, I think they do with others. Photos are a very potent way of saying something or moving people's emotions, whether for good or evil.
Thank you for your comments.
Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
Niger
The pictures are, supposedly, from surveillance cameras in the public transportation system there, so the low quality is not surprising. But as I said, those are not really evidence of anything.
The most recent famine in Africa is in Niger, which is close to Nigeria but not quite the same. Apparently this wasn't newsworthy until a few days ago. As to why there are few pictures of starving men - the media like to show defenseless people suffering, it gets better ratings. That said, of course the truly defenseless do tend to suffer more. Africa needs farm subsidies like the Europeans have them, then they could overproduce as well.
local crop circles!
Hi Colette,
I live in Asheville and came out to your place when I was studying sacred geometry back in 1999. I'm still into crop circles and was wondering if you'd heard about the recent formations in our area. I've been talking with Nancy Talbott about them and I'm writing an article for the Mountain Xpress about it and crop circles in general. I went out to visit the one outside Weaverville. Another is somewhere right up the road in Leicester and I'm trying to track down the property owners. Maybe you'd like to come see it.
Hope you're well.
Alan Muskat
write me at amuskat (at) omplace.com
Hey Alan
Yes, I am still here where I was at when you came to visit.
I have heard about the formations and looked at them from some photos.
I wondered what ever happened to you. I thought you might have moved to Earth Haven, or someplace. Most people around Asheville think I died last year. So it will be a surprise when people realize I am still alive. Weird , I know. I have not even spoken to anyone unless it has had to do with the production side of what I am doing right now. Since last year I have only recently been able to type and speak again since about December.
What I was thinking, Schoch is going to be here and we are doing some radio /booksigning/lectures type gigs. We will be in Asheville in the early weeks of August. We are now on the final countdown of preperation. You can go to his site and check the dates. You might want to meet up with us if you are in the area. The lecture is on Friday August 12th at All Souls Cathedral in Biltmore. You know which one that is. The one with all of the nice architecture......Also there is a bookdsigning I put together at Malaprops on Wednesday, August 10th at 7 Pm. Oh the lecture on Friday starts at 6:30 for some people to yak and then we start at 7.
Just remember, many people will be trying to talk with us and well, it is going to be strange for me because I became agoraphobic so......I think the best thing to do is call.
When ever I see John Martinue's book in my library, I think about that time you spoke about him. JOhn is well from all that I know. I think he is iin Wales right now.
Do you know Randall Carlson from Atlanta? He is into Sacred Geometry too. He will be coming and staying here as well. We are doing some things together.
Well, this is weird............
Go to Robert's site. I don't know what the url is off hand but go on a search. You will find his Official website. The gigs are on a link Egyptian Exploration and Schoch Talks and New Release. YOu should see a phone number on the lecture page. That is mine. THe email is also mine as well.
I can not make it to Leicester right now. You can get my new phone number off the site and email as well. Please contact me.
John Michell has been in touch and he finished his latest book. It is a very nice book.
I do not know what you are up to. I don't remember what kind of condition I was in when I last saw you, but I am walking now and things so, I am OK and hanging in there.
YOu know that is about one hour and half hours from where I live where you were here at my estate. You would have to get in touch with me. Are you still living in Asheville?
Anyway, feel free to call me.
My schedule is very tight right now and will be until August 15th and then I will have to recover from all of the things we are doing.
I do not drive much. So??????????? Schoch might drive up there to see them, but I doubt it, unless it is a day when we are in that area. I saw the formations, not very impressive to me. If I was in England I would not bother to even photograph them or survey them in all honesty.
I have not followed the crop circles except for what people have sent me. I know JOhn Michell is working on another book on sacred geometry and one of the formations that contain the cannon of numbers.
I am laying low.
call me.
Nice to hear from you.
Best, Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
Connecting the dots
Hi Collette,
Conspiracy is fine. After all, isn't that what it's all about - reality and rabbit holes. Greg himself posted a doozy, if you will recall, on the Downing Street memo.
http://www.dailygrail.com/node/1429#comm...
Your thoughts and questions, IMO, are honest and very valid. I think you bring up things that everyone would do well to give some real thought to.
Here is some more fuel for thought. If you are really into connecting dots, this may give some additional perspective.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/7...
If you really think you might be ready for 'the red pill' ... try here where the rabbit hole can get pretty deep:
http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com (don't miss the comment threads or the massive sideboard content)
tronicus
Discernment and Speculation
Hello Everyone,
To Earthling, yes that was Niger, not Nigeria, I thought Niger was an abbreviation for Nigeria. I was wrong. I will never forget that photo though. That is what visuals are all about.
I have many friends. They are all into various kinds of research, I have been exposed to many different conspiracy realms. I can only go with my gut feelings on some and with others I study and follow reports and try to use logic and discernment. I do not live my entire brain processed life in the world of conspiracy, not all things are conspiracy. To think that, I should thnk a person would be paranoid and never allow themselves to see and feel beauty which does abound in many ways.
I know of many conspiracy theories from the ET agenda to the Egyptian Zahi connection, Mars, Pharmacuetical Companies, Freedom to use natural modalities of treatment, 911/ Terror----On and on.......
Oil, stock markets, Mad Cow.........Moooooooooooo
I see through some lies and hypocracy and then sometimes I need to use discernment and patience to wait a situation out before I make a judgement call. And at times I ask for reality checks.
I went to the links Tronicus you sent me. I read the Iran link thinking last year maybe it was, the US said they were not going to go into Iran. I thought that to be a bunch of hooey and that people were being misinformed, however some sources revealed there were already preparartions in tack for the US to invade. So I figured time will tell.
Well, it looks like hell is everywhere. I do not close my eyes to it, I question agendas and I privately think about scenarios and let my mind take off. I do not spout all of the things I personally think of that are wrong and need to be corrected. I may be wrong, so I may be adding to the confusion if I were to make hard claims and statements. But, I will point something out at times, like those BBC photos, which I thought were a bunch of crap.
Sometimes when I allow my mind to just wander and allow the aethers to come in and "show" me what is going on, I see the whole world as a game that people play like monopoly. I can't remember correctly due to part of my injuries so I may be wrong in things when I am trying to recall events. What country was it that the US was going to go over and help them with aid, but the motive behind it was because there was diamond factories there and I forget, but something else to be exploited? It is like we just can't help with a pure motive of ethics, we need an exchange. The exchange will always be greater than the effort or monies put into effect. I have never seen any pure motive to just want to help with out the background agenda being that of exploitation of natural resources or governmental control and politcal power or trade issues.
A few moths ago I received this link. I wanted to post it, but I did not know if it was appropriate or not. I had privately sent it to Greg so he could watch it, however I do not know if he actually watched it or not.
I am on DSL so it doesn't take me long to download some things. I also have speakers hooked up so I can hear.
This is a link to a site that was just made for this flash animation clip. Someone had made it, and it was going around and someone decided to just put it up on its own site and asked whoever created it if it was OK to place, so far it is still up. I had saved the link. I just checked it and it is still up.
It is very funny about the end of the world. There is a lot of truth to it yet portrayed with humor and then leaves you with some provocative thoughts.
I will place it here. I do not know how it loads up for others.
http://www.endofworld.net/
I watched it a few times during the day for a couple of days off and on just to make me laugh and think, yes how dumb we are. I was never able to get past the point in my thoughts where I felt the animation was wrong or "evil." Moreso, just so funny that we are such a miserable race of people at times at the hands of power that create most of the disruption here on our planet.
I liked John Michell's book, "Confessions of a Radical Traditionalist," because in his 108 essays which were the content of the book, you were able to grasp what John was talking about and wishing for the return of: The Enchantment of Paradise.
Paradise is where all live in harmony and even politically songs were sang by choirs through out the lands as the "chuch" of the world were governed by divine principles for all. So music was played and choirs sang. Political heads were chosen to lead the villages because they were in harmony and understood divine order. That "Matrix," the matrix where all things are vibratory and can be kept beautiful and with out chaos if the vibrations were kept in harmony and not in dischord.
Many areas of our lives are filled with negativity and suspicion. We live daily with the little fears embedded in our spyche of disclaimers for pharmacueticals, ads to prevent child abductions, ads for the starving and on and on....Global Warming and other threats, extinction...you name it, all areas of life are threatened in some way or another.
Maybe by us being an alternative crowd, we seek in our own minds and want to share information we can sift through so we personally, or as a small group may be able to challenge and recreate the internal structure of our failures as a species causing the downfall and dominoe effect on all which surrounds us.
I enjoy the Grail because of the multifaced thoughts and news and personal matters that are exposed. It is more of a real news paper in many respects then lets say, "The New York Times....or even BBC online. The Grail is filled with thought provoking news and creative thoughts.
SO, we all share our thoughts and try to in some fashion figure out what in the world is going on. Well, we may never fully know any of the real truths out there as they a multi level and intertwine into lies and overflow into creating even more confusion. I do see the inner ego fightning among some, but I figure that is part of spiritual growth as well.
I just hate what I see and a times feel powerless. When those feelings of depair come on, I know the best I can do is personally take care of myself and set a positive example as best I can of what mind over matter can manifest and how we can control our dreams. Maybe we do have a choice in creating our own reality.
The other day there was a post on the Deep Impact and that Tricky Dick was up to something again and that NASA was hiding info. I chose at that point to write a post speaking frankly about what I know. As I said, sometimes when you know certain things there is a responsibilty which comes with that knowledge to educate others so that they might not fall into even more traps that are confusing and misleading. I have been around a long time searching for truths. I am not that easliy fooled at times because I do have an education and a history in the alternative realm in many areas of it, and I am a participant.
It is people's choice to believe what they want, but I think they should be provided with choices and not just one shot , "OK here is the poop."
I will close now and quit rambling. I am trying to express my thoughts and I feel frustrated with what I see is going on and I always wonder if any one else sees what I see.
I have my private world of what I think is good and bad, sometimes I share my thoughts and would like a reality check.
Here is the link. It is still up. I do not know how long it takes to download for some, for me it was real quick.....but it is worth it to see and hear and laugh.
It is a real cutie this clip. Here it is again in case you by-passed it to continue what I wrote.
http://www.endofworld.net/
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
Colette, You seem to easily
Colette,
You seem to easily write with a sincere and open quality that would be very difficult or impossible for most of us to equal.
I am not a church person, or subscriber to any organization. But I believe the space/time continuum reality of our universe exists because the infinite and personal God has made it so. I believe we can trust there are good reasons why God suffers the coexistence of good and evil for the present, but that he will not do so indefinitely. I know this classical biblical view is not generally championed by a great number of participants here, and I can understand the cynicism of those who are not blind to the way religion is often used to excuse and even facilitate the evil motives and proclivities of a great proportion of the human race. For me, the belief that God's character is pure and good, and that his purposes cannot fail to ultimately be fulfilled, gives me hope I will one day know a better reality than the present. A reality that is in harmony with the Creator of all being. I think that we simply cannot understand what God is, nor comprehend the infinite extent of his being and attributes. But we can understand that God's character is that of purity and goodness, and so look forward, with confidence, to the ultimate and eternal triumph of justice, truth and love, even if not in the realm of our present reality. The existence of our present reality will pass away in exchange for something much greater, and far more real. But while this is where we are, we should seek to do what good we can as God gives us understading and capacity. Faith in God, and in Jesus as his Son, gives me light and courage to face and endure the darkness for now, and to resist losing sight of the truth, goodness and beauty that is here as well.
And as we see the world entering into the final stages he warned us would occur toward the end, instead of fear and terror, we can have hope, that the ultimate triumph of God's wrath against the lovers of malice and evil may not be very far distant.
tronicus
You must have written this just now
Hey Tronicus,
I just wrote the bit about me having a hard time with abbreviations.
Are you still noline? I do not remember what IMO means. I use to , but not now. If some one told me, I would go, oh yeah that is right.
You think I write easily ? Heck it takes me for ever to write because I can't figure out the words, but I try.
Many peole wonder probably how it is that I am a writer. Well, I have tried very hard to recover and I still am. I stumble alot , get out my dictionary, reread what I wrote, change the words around in caes they are backwards and I just keep trying.
I too have a faith. I do not know what you would call it. Colette's philosophy I suppose. It is a combiantion of many belief systems and I have chosen things from many areas that make me fell whole and help me through the hard times. I meditate a lot and I probably do pray. I appreciate your gracious comment to me.
Thanks for speaking to me and explaining some things. I really amtrying to recover and do well. I also feel a responsibility towards humaity and to contribute the most I am able to help in human evolution. That being evolution in spirit.
Colette
Oh yes, please remember to remind me what IMO means.
I am going to bed now in a few minutes, maybe you will catch this before I go and be able toreply. I ave been trying to giure it our all day and I get stucl like that riddle, Whoose on first, no Whoos is on second, or however it oges, I can'teven remeber that. Funny....
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
Connecting abbreviations Tronicus
I have a very hard time with abbreviations. What does IMO mean. I got very dsylexic. Please will some one tell me what it is?
Thank you,
Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
IMO IMHO
Hi again,
IMO means In My Opinion. IMHO is In My Humble Opinion.
If your writing does not come easily for you, it still comes across very well for me.
tronicus
OH, OK, Now 2 Little Yogis and the Emerald Tablets
I was thinking it meant something like ?????? Modem of Operandi or something. But I was wondering about the I , so maybe Independent Modem of Operandi ( IF that is how you spell it) or Ignorant Modem of Operandi. Maybe legal or, heck I don't know. Latin maybe....
Well thank you for your humble oppinion.
TYFYHO
I know people use these abreviations and I have no idea what they are talking about. It was only a few months ago that I was told that this :) was a smiley face. I thought people had changed grammar on me too while I was out or I could not remember what that form of punctuation was. I kept ignoring it and writing back to someone but feeling like I was mayber not answering their question properly ro something because of it.
Since then I invented some of my own.
However, heck I just tried them and this font is too small to really see. They were cute ones.
Well Ok try this.
You know the "and" symbol like Proctor & Gamble
OK then if this was big you could see how cute it is.
Imagine them bigger now.
&& = 2 little Yogis trying to touch their toes. Or you could also have 2 mothers in natural birthing class.
% = This one would be two people with a barrier between them, what ever kind of barrier it wold be even in spirit that would separarte them.
(**) = a starry eyed woman in love.
(--) = a sleeping person or blind.
@ = a person with a nice aura around them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~tsunami
Ummmm, heck, I forget now, I had more...but you can't see them too good on this little font.
CMD, my intials could be Collecting More/Much Data ....
I will tell you the hardest name for me to write consistently with out screwing it up so much is SCHOCH......I have it loaded where I just put his 2 first letters in and the eamil comes up. I just can't spell it. But there are too many Robert's in the world so a person has to call him Schoch to distinguish. Like there is Robert Bauval, Robert Temple, Robert Watts...
Then there are a few Johns out there....John Anthony West, John Michell....
I swear this happened. In one email to Robert Schoch I wrote about all of those people in one paragraph and I kept having to go back and distinguish which John, which Robert....I finally told him there were too many Roberts and Johns out there.
Has any one ever heard of Dr. Doreal?
The Emerald Tablets?
The Great White Lodge?
The Brotherhood of the White Temple?
Oh, I was thinking too.....if I write sincere as it seems it is because I am writing what is on my mind and I am being honest. Does that makes sense?
Thanks, Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
emerald tablets hhhhmmmmmm,
I was a naughty boy once and got a tattoo, yes I know it wasn't smart but it happens to be a very large THOTH with the key to the underworld...the yenc I think it's called. His holding the 2 pyramids on one hand, one is inverted over the other creating the six point star with the eye inside. It's very nice actually. Anyway Colette, I will say that the more I read your posts, the more I enjoy them. I can actually feel the sincerety as I read them.
My thanks to you.
PS. Yes it has the ibis head.
DISCLAIMER:the opinions and veiws in this post are mine only and do not nesessarily reflect those of others.
Hey Floppy
2Floppy
Does that mean you have heard of the Emerald Tablets?
Yes, supposedly they were written by Thoth the Atlantean. Then they were translated by a Dr. Doreal. I am sure there are others who have translated them. But supposedly they were made of some green type of element that we really do not have here on Earth. Of course a lot of this can be cult and myth. I am kind of searching about the Emerald Tablets. A friend of mine had heard about them too. I had heard about them as a child. You don't hear much about them anymore though. They were more "Known" back lets say 40-60 years ago.
Cults and "things" change with time. Pretty soon it will not be so cool to know about area 51 , it will be long gone in history of the alternative. Grey Aliens will be like Leprachaun Stories......in future time Bush will be "THE OTHER HITLER."
Remember the Jetsons? The cartoon series? Before that it was Fred Flintsone. Well, I think they ran side by side in cartoon land . So you had caveman verses spaceman in a child's mind to think about.
Kind of like you have , oh what is that cartoon character????Everyone raves over and is a best seller. I have never read it, but....???....You know, it is taking over the planet? Oh, Harry Potter. OK so the contrast would be like Harry Potter and Zahi Hawass.
Joking.....but really, we will be dead and just a memory and then a legend, then a myth, and then just a bunch of old wive's tales, and then buried in dust. Then some one will find computers in a layer of rock one day and one will work and they will figure out how to open it up and find that some one had archived the Daily Grail. Then the Grail will be thought of as something worhsipped. A GOD or what ever. It is perception I suppose. What if they confuse it with "The Grail" and the real Grail was never found yet and they found the computer with the stashed files of the Grail on it, they will think they have finally found the Grail.......weird, I know.
Sincere thoughts in my writing? Well, I think I just write what is on my mind. As you see, I do not censor much...........I let my thoughts flow. HA! Could get me in trouble I suppose.
Thank you.
Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
Thoth the atlantean
hi Colette, yes i have read the emerald tablets many times. i find them fasinating. some say they are locked in an area of the vatican volts. but like soo much other stuff you read here and there, i log that in the huge file in my head for speculation. i personaly don't believe in much at all. no, thats not sad it's more safe then any other way. i would, however, like to think that this time will be remembered as the change in peoples conciousness period. maybe, maybe not. there certainly is some kind of unrest in what people are willing to believe in. people power is increasing not deminishing. this is reflected in how fast goverments are moving to increase controll. the internet is the one thing that has made possible the flow of communication between the general populace from their home.
we know what goe's on around the world as it happens whether censored or not.
Fred and willma flintstone.....hehe...a great cartoon. somehow i feel cartoons of this day have taken away the innocents of those older ones. mind you i am a fan of sponge bob square pants.
did you know the flintstones were a take of the Honeymooners.
Never really got into the jetsons, i think that was Hanna Barbras answer to Warner Bros flintstones.
As for the Grey's....Zeta Reticulum....i believe their race is called.I'm sure in the next 30 years we will know for sure about their existance or non-existance. hope i live to see that.
As for BUSH and his pandering allies.....well, i think the agenda there is different to what most people would think. i truely believe their porns in a much greater game.
but, again, time will tell. lets hope the lives lost and suffering still going on will end soon.
I'll give you a link i'm sure you will find exceedingly interesting. with enough articals to keep you busy for years to come.
http://www.thememoryhole.org/
There are some terrifing stuff there.
I try to keep my posts simple...but still get the odd negative responce....some, so it seems, just like the banter.
I was wondering if ZH was into the emerald tablets and the clues in them regarding the great pyramid. just a thought.
cheers for now....keep up the entertaining posts.
kindest regards...floppy...
DISCLAIMER:the opinions and veiws in this post are mine only and do not nesessarily reflect those of others.
Yes, Floppy too negative and weird
Hey Thanks,
I went to that link....read a few titles, clicked on some, boy...that can sure ruin a day. About 5 minutes at the most on things like that is enough to blast my brain.
I ask about the Emerald Tablets and Doreal, as Doreal was my God Father. I grew up in my early years going to the retreat in Sedalia Colorado. However the Brotherhood of the White Temple got corrupted as well. Supposedly Doreal had the one tablet that gets passed around to the "next" pope dude in rank, which was my half brother's father Dr. Trenton Tully.
I am only now allowing myself to remember certain things. So, I am on a search to find out who I was when I was younger in hopes for recall of now and why is it I seach for the things I do.
I have the set of Emerald tablets in book form, very old, as well as the translations. Zahi? I doubt it. If he would have heard of them he would have scoffed at then and not even blinked an eye. He is very Egyptian oriented. I woner if his blood line is Egyptian however, he could be of Arab descent. The Emerald Tablets could be like the Holy Grail.........there, but never found or understood, or falsified. Probably a concept and myth written thoughout times for seekers to keep searching.
Interestnigly Schoch talks about some things in the radio show that I placed the links on here about heritage in Egypt and how the monuments affect different citizens and the views which are taken from economy to sentimentality. Some individulas would just like to see the Sphinx knocked down and a market area placed, but that won't ever happen, at least in our life time I do not think as the monies that are brought in from tourism. Pollution and acid rain will destroy the monuments before some human would I tend to think. However I may be wrong.
I have seen alot these years in my life and I am sure I may see more.
Greys...............I always wonder if that is the Snake Race that was talked about when I was a young child. I have grown up in probably a very extreme environment compaired to most individuals. I have been exposed to many writings and cults due to my family heritage. Not surprising that I seek truths and use discernment. I also just read enough of the negative material out there so I can keep informed and the Ps and Qs of my existance, but do not dwell in it. I seek higher consciousness. I could live the rest of my life and never see another alien face, ever.........I am not a David Icke fan, nor do I play into the hype of all of the different aliens among us. It is a side track people live in to not be bothered with the reality of the world around us. But, in some scenarios the reality which is created is far more evil in the alien spectrum then the world we live in today in this 3 D spectrum.
I hate Bush, Blair, the war, Oil, everything that takes people's own personal self power and esteem away from them. I hate starvation, as there is enough land to grow food and supply people, it is stratedgy and manipulation, corporate greed and governmenal control. Global warming is also very dangerous. There are ways to work around that, but many people are pretty dumb in my opinion.
Mornings are usually ruff for me after laying all night. I use mornings as times of reflection and to grasp the moment and realize the day to come. I have been looking at my past recently. I wonder about many things. Especially reincarnation.
Is it that we are born with enate knowlege and some are able to retain their awreness of it and continue spiritual growth to the next level of what ever grade they are in , or is it we learn during our lifetime and then acquire knowlege. I think it may be both. I do also think there is stimuli out there to act as a catalyst for our "soul" memory - if there is one. You see, I still am in search for the truth about all of that as well. Even though I go against my visions and memories, I seek as I need proof. In ways I am a skeptic. I am very skeptical I believe and I search for logic and reason and scientific data to support theories. I am just that way. I do not believe any one just because they say it to be true. I want proof.
We talked about eveidence earlier on. In my eyes, evidence can be manipulate. I think eveidence is a personal choice, how we choose to perceive evidence as it can be misconscrued. Heck, I hope my spelling is OK right now.
I have not watched cartoons since my child was very young and I did not allow him to view them once I saw how negative they were and violent, unlike Tom and Jerry and the Road Runner, which yes contained violence, but in a diffferent manner. Not to excuse it, but it was based on more humor not evil.
Subliminal messages are everywhere. Does any one remember the movie "THEY LIVE" ? About the aliens who lived among us but were in another spectrum, and the only way to view them was to wear sunglasses that filtered so you could see them. THe aliens were gross and were subliminally controlling humans by corporate means and naking them buy, buy , buy....so they could fatten them up.
Weird all of this.
Maybe the days of Jules Verne were better. Not so real, but a nice sci-fi. In Jules Verne novels there is much science fiction, but not evil sci-fi, more so a great and marvelous imagination of what could be. Interesting some of the titles have actually played out in history.
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
Conspiracy?
Colette,
You have a very valid point of view; but, you are a little short on evidence. Maybe it was a conspiracy. I don't know. The way conspiracy theories are popping-up, it reminds me of the 1960's when John Kennedy, Malcolm X, Martin Luther King Jr., and Bobby Kennedy were assinated. There were conspiracy theories coming out of the woodwork, like now. What we need to do, in my opinion, is to watch how these attacks are investigated and demand bipartisin over sight of the investigations.
What do you think?
kennc
Evidence?
What eveidence on what subject? Are you talking about the BBC?
Yes, I think we need to wait and see, eventually though it will turn into a dead issue until something more extreme happens. It wil all fade away in the wash. I would like to see an impartial investigation, but then that would caost money, there may be an excuse that it is not worthy of the price.
I was asking a question if some people think that conspriracy theories are overwhelming basically and that to hold on to everything as being a conspiracy holds a person back from enjoying beautiful things as well. Media creates more terror that terrorists and holds people in a prison of fear. Fear is a form of manipulation and a vehicle to pass laws that really have nothing to do with terroism but of control of the masses. I think people should avoid most of the negative news and focus on things that are ositive. When they watch the news and advised to buy duct tape, then the stock market rise in plastics and production. It is a big circle of corporate strongholds and their greed and less than harmoniuos thoughts of how to create a better world.
I am looking for no evidence. Eveidence can be created. That was my thought about the photos in the BBC. I get people sending me articles all of the time- most times about the same subject, but differetnt theories and evidence. I can only believe evidence that has probaly gone thorugh multiple scrutiny with many bodies of "motion of discovery" to examine evidence. Of coure experts can be called in, but what good id that when corruption has prevailed in many instances. Everyone is familar with the paid off expert testimony or Judge.....
Evidence can be falsified. I sometimes ask questions as a reality check. My difernt personalites think of different things. I am more of a ancient origin, scared site, astronomical and gemonetrical person. Not really a conspiracy person. I do have much contact with many people though who send me things. I read some of them and think, and then most of them I do not read at all because they are so far out in theory.
Most of the time I think truths to anything are going to be hard to find. But, unlike the camera shots of the Cydonia region Michael Malin was in charge of, I think that was enough evidence right there to show that the mesa is really a natural formation and not a Face on Mars.
I would have been thrilled to see a real face, but it was not there. SO, I can accept that and that eveidence was pretty good.
I do not need evidence to see how the planet is changing as I experience that myself. I follow environmental studies as well. When I use to lecture, my biggess gist was to be responsible for you personal actions and how they affect another person, another species and all of the planet, Universe, et.al............
Now I see things coming to pass, that as a child I had visions of. It is sad. Humans wait until the last moment to get their bucks in, kind of like playing the stock market. They will let their money ride until they get the tip that the stock is going down and then they change their investment. It was not so hard years ago to foresee the future and what we humans were doing.
For many years electric cars have been trying to be produced, but patents were bought out and the inventions were stashed away. Now there are some electric cars. But, it is oil and the other by-products, and hormones and pharmacueticals in water, pesticides, on and on....creating extinction. This is human error and greed.
Lke I think it was Monsoon/ Monsato??? (spelling?) that was trying to patent seeds and in order to regrow a crop you had to buy another year's woth of seed so they would sprout as they were lacking all of the chromosones needed to develope. SO the new seeds were duted and fertile. I do understand how hybrid plants are neccesary to produce while heatwwaves kill crops and other things, bugs, all of that. But that has occured because we got out of natural balance.
Evidence is only how one perceves it. As like the evidence on Mars. I saw there was no face there, but others still chose to proceed with their mindset that there is a face there. It is personal choice. Evidence can be misconscrued.
I see evidence all around me, the evidence that my mind perceives as real.
I do not understand so much about conspiracy except I do know that it exists in many forms. People choose their topics of interest to research. Some stay in one niche while others choose a variety. I choose a variety of topics that overflow upon each other. That is how I get a wider field vision.
Sometimes when I read something I get a weird feeling that there is
something not right and truthful about what I am reading. That is my gut feeling. Not something that is even admissable in Court. I watch and wait most of the time. There is not much I can do accept keep trying to understand what I can and then help in whatever way I can depending on the subject matter.
Thanks,
Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications
Oh, I see!
Colette,
Sorry, I misunderstood your intend!
kennc
For Colette, Tronicus, and any interested others
I clicked the link Tronicus posted to 'rigorous intuition', then clicked rigorous intuition's link to Professor Pan's Sex, Drugs, Mind Control, and Gitmo.
From there, I took the link to The New Yorker's interview of Amy Davidson, about her visit to the 'detention center' at Guantanamo Bay, and the 'behavioral experiments' that are going on there.
Then I went back to rigorous intuition and took the link to Kathleen Sullivan's 4-part expose', Iraq Revelations Analyzed by a CIA MKULTRA Survivor.
I then went to amazon to look up this MKULTRA Survivor's new autobiography Unshackled: A Survivor’s Story of Mind Control (Amazon US) and the other two books mentioned, A Nation Betrayed: The Chilling True Story of Secret Cold War Experiments Performed on Our Children and Other Innocent People (nothing at amazon), and Secret Weapons: 2 Sisters’ Terrifying True Story of Sex, Spies and Sabotage (Amazon US).
The Iraq Revelations article gives links to 5 websites for more information, which I haven't checked out yet because, as the article says, just beneath those 5 links...
"Like trying to follow a seemingly endless thread of yarn, perusing these websites can expose you to a seemingly endless supply of information about similar crimes that have been committed against North American citizens – crimes that have yet to be widely publicized on the media or acknowledged by our governments. Because this information is still largely suppressed, it can be overwhelming to learn about at first. Most people find it best to look at a little bit of it at a time."
To pull just a couple of interesting tid-bits from the mountain of information above, here are two points mentioned in amazon's reader-comments about the book, Secret Weapons:
The Freedom of Information Act often brings us precious quotes like the reminiscence by Captain George White when he retired from CIA mind control work in 1966. "It was fun, fun, fun. Where else could a red-blooded American boy lie, cheat, steal, rape and pillage with the sanction and blessing of the all-highest. And...
Some small fraction of this material will inevitably be disinformation cleverly conceived to sow doubt in the minds of the therapists and readers alike. The authors dutifully transcribed the material. It is left to us to decide/guess which of the more doubtful passages are screen memories. The CIA is very good at going to outrageous lengths to make someone sound crazy like when they held a gun to Sister Diana Ortiz in Guatemala and had her murder a fellow prisoner on threat of her own life so that they could videotape it and use the material for blackmail. More to the point here is that handlers can pile screen memory on top of screen memory on top of screen memory to create a hall of mirrors that is very confusing to all trying to find the truth.
Over the past few years, as I've read various mainstream news, alternative news, and conspiracy theories - about 9/11, terrorism-in-general, Iraq, Afghanistan, torture, extreme rendition, the Patriot Act, et. al. - I've become increasingly saddened, embarrassed, and appalled by the actions and inactions of not only the US government, but governments in general, practically all corporations, and, although there are many notable exceptions, by humanity itself.
And I've been mortified - and disgusted - by a realization of how deeply I had assimilated, from childhood on, what I now know to be propaganda about the ideals which the American government supposedly embodies. I still think it's possible that those ideals - of freedom, liberty, justice, etc. - are at least vaguely embodied in the hearts of a majority of America's citizens, but even if that's the case, the woeful inadequacy of our educational system, whether intentional or not, is steadily undermining that.
On Sunday, 60 Minutes aired a segment about extreme rendition and the CIA's kidnappings of suspected terrorists in foreign countries in order to imprison them in Gitmo, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Iraq, etc. They interviewed a government official who was, at once, defending the government's use of torture and then claiming it doesn't use torture, defending the practice of extreme rendition of suspected terrorists to other countries to be tortured and then saying those other countries (well-known for their horrendous torture techniques) have 'promised' the US that they won't use torture, and saying it's a well-known fact that torture doesn't produce reliable intelligence, but then immediately discounting that by saying such torture is producing a great deal of credible intelligence. He also said he had no moral problem with torture because his job was to protect Americans, and he admitted that extreme rendition is the US's way around the problematic ideal of no-torture-in-the-US -- they're just exporting it somewhere else.
There are many people in the US who would agree that the US government should use torture - regardless of where it takes place or who actually does it - if that's what it takes to prevent terrorists from striking the US again. I'm not one of those, in part because, as my first rule of psychology says, defense mechanisms always cause the problems they're initially designed to prevent.
To my mind, many of the problems we now face in both the US and the world in general wouldn't exist if the US government had made an effort, throughout it's history, to embody, and consistently express, the ideals it still occasionally gives token lip-service to. The most important example of this being, it should have consistently supported the ideal of representative democracy in all countries instead of short-sightedly and expediently supporting petty dictators. (But of course, the same sort of charge could just as validly be leveled at both the leaders and the faithful masses of the world's major religions.)
It may seem that I've digressed from this blog's major topic of conspiracy, but my point is that, regardless of whether there was a government conspiracy behind the terror or the terrorists are exactly who the government says they are, the root cause is the same -- we humans still haven't learned to do unto others as we would want them to do unto us.
To many of us, this 'golden rule' seems a self-evidently worthy ideal, but there are also many who think it's utter hogwash. Maybe like me, after reading various conspiracy theories, and trying to weigh the evidence for and against, you've wondered what possible motivation the 'powermongers' could have for these sorts of actions. Here's an article which explains the ideals they live by - it's not an easy read, but worth your effort, and I recommend you read this before reading anything else - Noble lies and perpetual war: Leo Strauss, the neo-cons, and Iraq. What you'll learn from that article will go a long way toward explaining the BBC's take, in it's recent 3-part series, The Power of Nightmares, which assesses whether the threat from a hidden and well-organised terrorist network is an illusion. Here are transcripts:
Part One: Baby It's Cold Outside
Part Two: The Phantom Victory
Part Three: The Shadows in the Cave
Kat
Thank You Very Much Kat
Gosh, what you have written is alot and very well put. It will take time to go back and track your links. You are very thorough when you do these sorts of things I have noticed. Thank you. Really.
It is all wound up and so intertwined. Almost you could be my neighbor and all which I am saying is a lie just to get info from you or to see how easy it is to access. Sick isn't it.
I remember when I was a yong child, my grandma had a green pearl like sphere. The equator had a writing around it which was, "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." The Golden Rule.
This is in my view or reality the most important "coined phrase" that is out and about. It is precious in the fact that we must love ourself enough to love another person and have the awareness of how our actions affect ourself, other people, species and the whole in its entirety.
The posting you made Kat did not digress from the conspiracy as with the info I was asking , and in turn speaking of consciousness and what is right and wrong, and others have followed. This leads me to believe that deep down inside we do relate how our actions affect another human or vibraory level and we are concerned individuals. At least here on the Grail.
The Grail I see as a very special place that people gather for many reasons. The heart of it seems that it is giving of itself. The Grail is a composite of people who give and share with each other and that in itself is good. I will have to copy over your post in MS word and follow into email so I can pop up here and there and check it out. Many mirrors as you say. You wrote a very good line that said a lot and was kind of like Alfred Hitchcock.
You also did a good job on the holes in SA. That was good one for Oscar to post and then the posts to follow have been interesting. OK, this is digressing but since it is on my mind........What if the holes were catch basins for water? Like on top of the mountain there was a mineral vein. Then rain water which was pure and not run off would fall into it and get energized by the minerals or something? I haven't follwed too much the type of strata or rock bed it is. If I did read it, I could have forgot, I do not know. I have to reread and reread at times before I can remember. I do remember thinking today about those hole and rain water though.
Digression. Well, maybe, but that is what happens when you have a gathering of minds.
Great Post Kat. Well thought and kind and very intelligent.
Oh yeah, I have the links some where????? to the guy ( the Russian Scientist ) who did the subliminal mindcontrol to the people in Wako. Igor Smirnoff or something is his name. There are some pages out there. He speaks of how he told the US governement how to use subliminal messages in the phone circuitry to create the Wako people to disarm and leave and everything would be OK. Well, you see he taught the CIA the technology he uses to achieve the "brainwash" subliminally with waves and such, and background music, words and such.........if I am remembering correctly......and then certain key words. Well the government learned this technique and instead of doing what they said they were going to do to try and help those folks, they turned around and did the opposite and created the fire and turmoil and chaos. This Smirnoff scientist said he would have never agreed to teach the CIA or whoever it was who was making the phone calls. ( I know Firearms and tobbaco and alcohol control was involved too, but there were more than them) He thought it to be very terrible. He was ashamed that he had placed his name and that he was part of such a negative history and it was something that he would never forget and it hurt him to think that in some way he himself was manipulated to harm others. Well, if you go on a search for him, there are two men with the same name. I believe his name was Igor Smirnoff, but I may be wrong. Someone might take a look sometime. It is a pretty weird story.
Thanks Kat
Best, Colette
Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
Circular Times
Moving Forward Publications