Schapelle Corby
Posted by the shadow at 02:19, 22 Mar 2005I would like to hear the views of Any Aussies out there who have an opinion about the Schapelle Corby case.
As you know Corby is on trial in Indonesia for allegedly attempting to smuggle 4 1/2 kgs of marijuana into Bali.
The drug, worth $60,000 here in Sydney is worth only a fraction of that in Bali and the circumstances under which it was found, that is, in a surf board bag, unlocked, rattlng around with the board is very suspicious.
Some evidence that could clear her, namely that someone overheard a conversation between two people who said that the marijuana was placed in the bag by handlers in Sydney and supposed to be removed in Brisbane, has been disallowed by the Australian Federal Police as being only hearsay.
Corby's defence team, paid for by an Australian business man because the Australian Government refused Corby assistance, has said that the evidence can be proved to be more than hearsay and can clear her.
What made me fear the worst for Corby was reading a little piece by former Labor Mayor of Brisbane two weeks ago in the Sunday Sun, where he said that this is a trade-off,and presumably he meant for the small jail sentence received by the organiser of the Bali bombing in which 88 Australians plus others were killed.
I don't quite understand how that works.He got a small sentence for killing all those people and now we are giving him an innocent girl to kill?
Corby faces the death penalty if found guilty.Death sentences are usually carried out fairly quickly once the guilty verdict comes in.
It was reported last night that Corby is at breaking point.It is hardly reasonable to believe that she would have had the money to buy the marijuana and been silly enough to put it in an unlocked bag, and then been even sillier to try and get it into Bali, where the price would plummet, and where they have a death penalty for such a crime.
She has lived in that area and knows the situation.
There is no evidence whatever for her being involved in drugs.
And for Christ's sake, it's only marijuana!
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Comments
1 June 2004
39 weeks 6 days
Something smells here, doesn’t it? I was not aware that the Aus Govt would not defend an Australian citizen in another country. This appears hypocritical, compared with the money spent and meetings the Aus govt have had with the US over two Australians held in Cuba on ‘war offences’. Maybe the Australian govt does not have the balls to stand up to Indonesia.
You would think that a one Billion, Yes One Billion dollar donation to Indonesia for rebuilding post the tidal wave catastrophe would have some pull in the right circles. Interesting also to note, that no other country affected by this disaster received any official donation from the Australian govt. It is well past the theoretical moral argument when an Indonesian religious fanatic kills 88 innocent foreigners and receives such a pathetic sentence; and an Australian citizen may face death by the same legal system for drug offences.
If this is an indication of what the Indonesian govt thinks of its Caucasian neighbours, then maybe strong alliances with the US govt, and the strategic stability it brings to the area should be increased and maintained. Just one opinion!
AAiek
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
Hi AA it certainly is very funny, specially Jim Soorley commenting on it like he did.
I believe the family appealed to the Aus Gov for defence assistance but it was refused.
This week I will write some more letters around the place and see what I can find out.
They better not leave it too long though or it will just be history.
shadows
5 March 2005
4 years 46 weeks
Thats just the machines been shown, as they'd suck thst "alledged dust' from the airport terminals.
seems that 'where surface structures' hide what's inside, the real reactions takea hike.
But where?
It's not a place to visit after all, so if these 'dust monger's' are serious then why can't law work both ways.
It;d be strange to have done such 'Balinese Ballet', if the results were an expectant and newsworthy population, was;in fact, insulted by dust added to news fodder like Pans snowflakes, while some innocent's zapped for doing what ther're told.
It's just orders-nothing less..
1 May 2004
1 year 2 days
"while some innocent's zapped for doing what ther're told.
It's just orders-nothing less.." Lets just remember that those "poor" soldiers were just following orders when they killed the innocent. This applies to all sides and just about any conflict in the last hundred odd years. To me that is not an excuse. People MUST learn to think and use reason.
Now I have no idea about this Coby girl as I no longer read or watch the news.
I don't think it is an insult to Australia at all. They have the same penalty for evryone in regards to drug traffiking.
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
the parrot has been at the computer again.
i agree with what you wrote.i usually ignore the news unless i have to write something and i need to know what i am doing.th epoint about the death penalty for bringing marijuana into bali is that it is ridiculous.marijuana is not even as bad a drug as tobacco.and the point about the death penalty is that no one has the right to take another's life for any reason.i am against the death penalty and have worked hard against it for ai for many years.
and the point about shapelle corby is that she is certainly innocent.
i agree that we should respect a country's laws but the death penalty is never right to my way of thinking.
if the australian government does not do something to help corby she will die.
shadows
5 March 2005
4 years 46 weeks
Watch-and that Parrats back might turn;as if,the'd finally found that'Almightty soklution' which lusts have been founded upon.
But for many years noe, there's been-also,no POINT, in those which seem as Exponential as ever.
Remembering this, might divde a few Denzions of Space;as we'd say, than those fools running along Rings that -when measured, dont add up!
They would have;perhaps 20000 years ago, but failed to wear that well-Brass, like a lime green Gnome which wasn't greedy enough for the Tribe.
If that's a failing, then I'm amazed. But if so, am likely the recipient, when something's flown the coup.
Chicken's define this Epoch-much like SARS, and havn't really tasted the same for 12 years.
Before this Epidemic was cultured, the culture's who'd-still, not seen where it all went, shrank from their lust-fears greed to have the entire Asian Quadrant, shrunk-also,to the size which;only they liked.
When size, population, and the reality of just what language ddominates,can be reduced to the ALMIGHTY SUM, then it's Time too ttake heed, and graft where right's don't mmean************?.............
30 March 2005
4 years 45 weeks
It is disturbing watching the Schapelle Corby court case unfold. It's nightmarish at it's best. What sort of judicial system do they operate over in Indonesia. Cameras are heavily involved inside the courtroom, intruding at every opertunity to get "that" photo, they are even allowed behind the judges and in the faces of the accused, and the judges just sit there as though it's a movie set. It's insanity. There is no jury involved, only the decisions of 3 corrupt judges I suspect, to make a decision on the life or death of this girl. No doubt, their decision has already been reached, probably weeks ago. Blind Freddy can see this girl is innocent, but obviously the judges cannot (won't) see through this. It is a 'lesson' to westerners, and she happens to be the innocent by-stander caught up in someone elses fun times. I would never travel within coo eee of any of these places if you paid me too, it's far too risky and the consequences are well.....disaterous to put it mildly. We sit and hope.
30 March 2005
4 years 45 weeks
She does not work, has never been employed, has relatives/sisters in Bali, has made many visits to Bali, has taken her boogie/surf board many times, but there are NO surfing beaches on Bali, her board would weigh half a Kilo, so with the MJ would weigh some nine times as much, she noticed no change in the weight when she collected it to go through customs, she at first refused to open the board bag....Has never said she was innocent, simply states that she wants to go home, or get me out of here.
Innocent, I think not
Go figure!!!!
Babaganouche
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
I have been thinking what you said about no surfing beaches and googled it.What about Kuta Beach?
There are many other surfing beaches in Bali as well.
That's one of your items gone.
She has been employed.I heard on TV last night that she worked picking tea while her husband worked learning to make surfboards.( For the NO surf).
That's another gone.
She says she did not refuse to open her bag.
Would she feel the extra weight?
I dunno
S.
1 June 2005
4 years 36 weeks
See this is what really XXXX me off, you say!! lets just point out the facts here shall we! ignaramus....point 1..shes been to Bali twice since the year 2000..Point 2..it was a boogie board and she didnt collect it her brother did..Point 3..She agreed to open the bag no worries he claims she didnt (Customs Officer) OHHH but how convenient the Security Cameras that day werent working!!!And what programs are you watching and reading when you say shes never said shes innocent.....the poor girl has screamed it...
And whats unfolding about the drug syndicates working at Sydney airport is frightening, and what a coincidence a ring of baggage handlers involved in this activity were placed on shift the same day and time chapelle Corby left Sydney from BNE.
So go figure that Babaganouche!!!!!
2 June 2005
4 years 36 weeks
I agree totally that she is innocent. One things for sure I will never travel to Bali again.
3 October 2005
4 years 18 weeks
I dont know everything that has happened in relation to this case, but obviously mcnicol666 knows alot less.... Firstly...
"She does not work, has never been employed"
wrong...
"has taken her boogie/surf board many times, but there are NO surfing beaches on Bali"
go to http://www.baliwaves.com/, or mabye this site was set-up to help Corby
"Has never said she was innocent"
How dense are you?
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
I received an email from Kevin Rudd today saying that he has been paying attention to the Schapelle Corby case and that he has asked the Indonesian authorities to ascertain where the drugs come from.I think he means they can tell in which country they were grown.
Also on A Current Affair tomorrow night Martin King is interviewing the man named by the Australian who was flown to Indonesia to give evidence.
shadows
26 January 2005
4 years 42 weeks
From my 'e'-googling searches, it would appear that Kevin Rudd has certainly been paying attention to the Schapelle Corby case and has been pursuing the matter with a determinedly bipartisan mindset. It would also seem that both Kevin Rudd and Alexander Downer have been giving of their best efforts to secure Schapelle's release. Irrespective of personal political allegiances, I reckon both these gentlemen deserve support for their determined efforts to bring Schapelle back home.
7 April 2005
4 years 44 weeks
What I fear most, is what the government does not believe and what will come from our failure to protect our own.
"ANTI-INDONESIAN SENTIMENT"
How can anyone in this time in history accept the behavour and attitudes of a third world country that lives off the deaths of others.
How dare they accept a Billion Dollar offer of support only to be stabbed in the back by a corrupt system holding us to ransom.
The Indonesian government is black mailing the Australians with intent of profit.
Does the public know just how much profit the Indonesian Government stands to gain from all this.
I am a christian yet my heart has been tarnished.
I will never again speak, make eye contact or help an Idonesian (even in great need)period.
I do not believe in violence.
Silence and my back turned for eternity will be punishment enough.
A very sad day indeed.
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
My first thought after reading this post was to ignore you as just another idiot who can use a keyboard.But in case you can not only use a keyboard but read a newspaper as well, I will try and make a few things clear.
First of all the Australian government is not giving Indonesia a billion dollars.
Half of that money is going in aid, and the other half is to be loans over the next 50 years.
There is no billions bucks cash.
The Indonesians are not black-mailing the Australian government over this.It happens to be their country and their law, and Ms Corby was found with the drug in her luggage.
It is 50% possible that she is guilty.
The Indonesian government gains nothing from this situation at all.
Please tell me what their gain is.
About your heart being tarnished, you're dead right mate.And I'd give it a little clean if I were you.Try Ajax.
You will never help an INdonesian or make eye contact..whatever... again.
Yes you're a Christian alright.
You do not believe in violence.
Isn't it a violent act to turn on innocent people like that, people who had nothing to do with this situation?
Silence, and your back turned for eternity?
I suggest you go and have a nice warm bath, get into your Pooh bear jammies, have a nice warm(not hot) Milo and go to beddies.
I'm sure you'll feel better in the morning.
And remember Aussiefreedom, enuresis is absolutely nothing to be ashamed of.
NO don't thank me.Thank you...
shadows
8 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Hey i really am desperate. does anyone know where i can find some information on Shapelle Corby? Im currently studying year 12 and i have to do an oral presentation for and against. I would really appereciate your help. ive looked on the internet but cant really find anything that i can use.
Thank-You
Karen xoxox
26 January 2005
4 years 42 weeks
If you are having difficulty finding information on Schapelle Corby, you may like to view the NAP site which contains numerous reference links plus a detailed overview of the case. The Australian Coalition against Death Penalty (ACADP) also has a review on Australian citizens who have been given the death penalty in Malaysia. Alan Singer has a Support Schapelle site where bloggers have posted their thoughts on Corby's situation. Petition Spot has a site where you can register your support for Schapelle.
The Australian Opposition Foreign Affairs spokesman Kevin Rudd and Foreign Minister Alexander Downer are both aware of Schapelle's circumstances and are (despite criticisms) no doubt negotiating as best they can in order to secure Schapelle's release.
8 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Hey thanx for the info guys, i jus hope that the australian government would do something about this as we australians are meant to stick togeter. we r meant to rejoice and help those that are in need and not just sit back and watch someone go through this. We need to work together as a team and give this young women the support that she needs! come on guys lets do this together.
8 April 2005
4 years 44 weeks
I feel so bad for this girl.Whether innocent or guilty ( and I think she is innocent) at the end of the day, it is a plant that she is possibly going to be executed for. This case has really affected me, when I was a child, my teacher was the mother of Brian Chambers, who was hung for drug trafficking. It has always stayed in the back of my mind and in my heart, and it bothers me greatly that the death penalty is used to punish these people.
10 April 2005
4 years 43 weeks
We as Australians/NZ have proven our worth to the world time and time again do not forget, we will put up a fight if we have to, we are not afraid and do not give in under pressure because we are one (ANZACS) we have fought two World wars against tremendous odds, that should mean something!!!
Poignant maybe!
My neighbour who is 72 years old (female)would fight for Schapelle Corby’s release right now, be afraid she's good.
We have a lot of guts and a lot of will so let’s pass the hat around or do a telethon as we did for them??? (If the TV/Media people could comply, “when allowed in this case” to help a fellow Aussie) maybe we could send some of our own over there to visit Schapelle?
If Schapelle is another Westener (Common name for Aussies, Americans, or any other people from 1st world countries who visit Asia)given the death or any sentence at all for that fact, I would hope that no Aussie or Westener would holiday there again, we have too many casualties already (Bali bombing, etc...)I personally believe they laugh at us and it's a big joke to them. There are many great surfing beaches and wonderful things to enjoy here at home if we have to make a point and be one, hey listen to this! We need to build our economy anyway and it would mean we would have them by the balls “economically speaking” our government hasn't any.
We should take a stand against barbarism, so they do not hold our people for ransom anymore; their economy suffers if we holiday at home. I might not cut it as a politician although I always remember my Uncle who came back from WW2 after being in a POW camp for 3 years he never raised his head it was always bowed till he died he was 19 when he left and died in his 40's, I was eight years old at the time, I’m now 48 years old but still I remember it clearly and can hold my head high because of their bravery. Do not get me wrong I am a humanitarian, colour does not matter or religion for that fact, but our government? Hmmmm!
A line has to be drawn and a decision made.
Question: Do we really take care of our own when we leave Oz in this new era to travel or is it Russian roulette, roll the dice and play the game, you’re on your own?
Whether she is guilty or innocent should not be up to the Indonesian authorities because it was the lack of our own security that Schapelle has to endure an inhumane existence.
It’s not financially viable to “take drugs into any Indonesian country, any fool knows that or are we not educated people”
Janelle
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
Goodness Janelle, did you write all this by yourself or did Mummy help?
I usually have a lot of compassion for the otherly-abled but in your case I will make an exception.
You seem to be able to spell quite nicely, what a pity you can't put your words into some nice intelligent little post that would make a bit of sense instead of having me cringing and sobbing under my desk.
Thanks anyway for your post.I am grateful to you for opening my eyes to the existence of you and your ilk, of whom I can truthfuly say that I had no idea of your presence on the planet.
Eternally your's,(proof of the existence of Hell)
The Shadow
8 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Like my title, the australian government is making me feel ashamed to call myself an australian. Let me ask you guys something, arent australians meant to help one and other out? rnt we meant to be able to make a difference in our society? Well my friends here is our chance we have to make the government do something about schapelle, she shouldnt be doing this without our help we need to stick together and stand tall. She needs us guys so lets make a difference.
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
we do?
The Australian Government has always made me feel ashamed.
Have you written to Kevin Rudd and Alexander Downer yet?
If not, why?
That's where you start, writing letters.You write letters until your fingers nearly fall off.Then you write some more.
Then after finger surgery for callouses you write some more.
That's how you do it.
You write it.
Check the blogs on Schapelle Corby here on this site for information on how to help her.
S.
8 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
hey i didnt think that the stuff that i was writing in here was any good no i havent written to them and i dont know if i will, to them we are only people jus everday citizens that dont really count for much to them think about it, do u actually think that they read things like this? i dont i jus wish that i could do something about it...
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
but they do read the letters you write to them or their secretaries do which is just as good.
As I said there are comments on some of the Corby blogs on this site with information on how you can help Corby.
If you want to help Corby that is how you do it.
WE can see ourselves as every day citizens or we can see ourselves as the ones who elect these people to office.
Now I reiterate.
If you want to help Schapelle Corby and I believe you are the person who posted above urging help for this woman, then write some letters to politicians and sign some petitions.
Please see other blogs for information on how to do this.
S.
16 May 2005
4 years 38 weeks
Every letter counts. drop them a line... it counts for a lot of votes.
You're a voice in this here land of ours... so let it be heard. LOUD & CLEAR.
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
that Schapelle Corby collapsed after arriving at the court.
I also heard that the reporter asked the prosecutor yesterday how the case is going and he replied that there is no reason to suspect that she could be innocent.
That means he is asking for the death penalty.
OK all you religious people out there, if you believe in the power of prayer now is the time to do something about it.
Me? I don't.So I will just hope with all my heart that she is released.
shadows
14 April 2005
4 years 43 weeks
Yes, this treatment of an Aus citizen by the Indonesians is disgusting- the expressions on the judges faces would terrify me if I was seated in front of them. No compassion there. And shes a woman in a moslem-goverened country.All cards stacked against her. Their hypocrisy is rife. What a pity the Balinese are under Indonesian occupation. If they were running things it would be a Buddhist society, and no talk of death penalties. I love Bali, but could not go there again and sit on a beach knowing Schapelle is locked up close by.
Update: I hear on the news this morning that the judge has told her "she better not be pretending" after her collapse in court yesterday. Their humanity and concern is overwhelming. What say we also boycott all travel agents who do bali tours?
15 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
I've just been looking at http://www.dontShootSchapelle.com where they are raising money for the reward. It looks like some pretty big people are starting to throw their support behind Schapelle Corby, even in London. This is such a tragic story but it is good to see Australian's coming out of the woodwork everywhere to support this girl.
17 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Hello Shadow,
1. the dope could not have gotten through Brisbane and Sydney without being picked up by sniffer dogs and xray the chances are zero
2. thanks to the aussie prisoner for story but he was lying to save Corby
3. the drugs were planted in bali airport probably by extremists trying to strain aussie indonesian relations
4. Corby young beautiful aussie traveller just the right person hand picked by terrorist indonesians probably paid employee at bali airport ( bali luggage handler) to plant dope causing this sort of descent during a international trial which includes the death penalty
5. Howard government slow aproach to case trying not to upset Indonesia, showed no interest in Corby at start showing no interest in Australian citizen in trouble.... change of government required eventually......
6. Quantas and airports ignorant approach to case could probably have saved Corby with the correct info through video footage
7. Corby will probably return to Australia eventually.... if not only because of public opinion
8. this is my verdict from a Kiwi cousin
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
I find myself somewhat in agreement with you.There does not seem to be any other way it could have happened.I'll admit I tossed around the idea that Schapelle is gulty but can't for the life of me see why/how.
It keeps running though my mind that Jim Soorley actually wrote in his column that it was a pay-back.
And reluctant as I am to admit it, I guess that's just what it is.
Those Kiwi cousins are great people aren't they.
shadows
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
...of the latest news that 10 Australians have been arrested for smuggling heroin into Bali? Three are from Brisbane.
Personally I think they are lunatics.
Why would anyone in their right mind attempt to smuggle heroin into Bali after reading about the situation that Schapelle Corby is in.
And I also think it will not help Corby one little bit.
I received a reply from Alexander Downer today in regard to my letter to him.He says the government is helping Corby.
I certainly hope they are ready to intervene if she receives the death penalty.
shadows
26 January 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Dear Shadows,
Alexander Downer and Kevin Rudd have taken the time to personally respond to your recent emails urging them to support Schapelle's release. My reading of recent news reports suggests that both these gentlemen are putting their best feet forward to secure Schapelle's release. Thanks Shadows for standing up for Schapelle. Thanks Kevin and Alex for doing the hard yards.
Ankh
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
Dear Ankh,
Thank you for posting the links by which I contacted Downer and Rudd.
I have also contacted many newspapers in Oz at least twice.
A few letters have been printed,most not.
Tomorrow I will write again to these papers.
I think in my heart dear Ankh that Schapelle is not finished with this awful burden which has been placed upon her.
There is far more at stake here than just Schapelle although my heart goes out to her and her family.
I think we have to consider that the relationship between Oz and Indonesia is reaching an all-time low.
They believe that we did the wrong thing by following Bush into Iraq and I agree whole-heartedly with them.
Where do we take it from here?
The Oz government has promised they will appeal if Schapelle receives the death penalty.
But I have a feeling that Indonesia will warn them off interfering in justice in their own country.
To my way of thinking, we must do something to release Schapelle and at the same time ease the bad feeling between the two countries.
The Australian idiots who were caught with heroin strapped around their waists want a damn good kick up the arse.
If you have any ideas Ankh on anything else we can do, please let us know.I will do the writing, no matter how much it is.
Thank you,
shadows
19 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Shadows,
the 10 Australians weren't smuggling heroin INTO Bali, they had already done that after travelling overland from Thailand. They were actually smuggling the stash OUT of Bali and into Australia.
Regards
RANGI
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
The Courier Mail states today that the Australian Federal Police have had the 9 Australians arrested in Bali for smuggling heroin under surveillance for some time,about a month.
And the AFP have been working with the Indonesian police to stop this mob of drug smugglers.
Now this may have something to so with Schapelle Corby or it may not.
I think that if Corby is released on Thursday then we may be able to put it down to the AFP assistance to the Indonesia police.
It bothers me though that the AFP did not arrest the Australians when they reached Australia, knowing that the penalty in Indonesia is death.
In which case the entire situation is so filthy that the Australian Federal Police are living up to their reputation.
How the hell can you justify any of it.Nine lives for one life.
You can hear the glug glug glug.
shadows
19 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Yo Shadow,
Sometimes, people should "think" before they write/talk. The sole reason as to why the AFP didn't arrest these nine people back in Australia is very simple. The AFP had a tip-off that a smuggling racket was going on, and that there was going to be a transfer of drugs from Indonesia to Australia. They (AFP) alerted the authorities in Bali, who in turn monitored the situation. These nine people were caught "red-handed" in Denpasar, with the drugs strapped to their bodies. What would happen if they arrived back in OZ, complete with the drugs, (destined for the streets in order to KILL younger people). All they would get is a slap on the wrist and hefty jail sentence complete with colour TV in their cell, along with a flushing toilet, green grass surrounding their compound, and educational facilities. Let's get it straight. If you were to commit a crime in another country and you get caught, then you suffer that country's consequences. It's just like "overstayers" or "refugees" doing time in our detention centres. Those people break "our laws", we complain as usual, but they still have to pay the price! Plus, this "pathetic" situation where the Australian Government do this "prisoner exchange program" is ridiculous. Could you imagine the amount of Indonesian/Asian prisoners doing time here in Oz? If we were to send 10 Indo/Asian prisoners back to their homeland in exchange for 10 of ours (Australians), do you think for one minute that the Indo/Asians would want to go back? I don't think so. My motto: "YOU DO THE CRIME, YOU DO THE TIME". I look forward to your feedback?
Rangi
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
do you have any kids that may be stupid enough to get themselves into this situation at the age of 18?
Obviously not!
14 April 2005
4 years 43 weeks
Your comment "do the crime, do the time" does not apply to scapelle, does it? How many senior gov officials get a cut in this, and will they be arrested? I dont think so. Their corruption is rife, and all the AFP have done is give the Indonesians 9 mules. They will be ecstatic, because they have just received 11 kg of heroin they can sell again. Apparently, the male brain isnt mature untill mid 20's. These poor fools are but pawns. The major players will go free, and continue their dirty business.
21 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Earlier comments you made have been sound.
Particularly to the Christian turning her back on the Indo's - I had an arguement with a Christian relating to the case last week. Could not believe the lack of compassion or ability to separate a people from it's Governments judgements.
Anyway, your last comment about the 9 other Aussies I agree with too, I am a mum and I know that my son is immature and easily led and one day, perhaps, could do something like that. Having said that, I do not think that the 9 Aussies are innocent - whereas I think Schappelle is - it seems obvious given the facts (why sell A$40K to Indo where work A$4K!).
You said in your last post that it didn't seem right the Fed Police trading 9 lives for 1.........well, I don't see it as a trade off. If it was their only way to get her off by exposing an ACTUAL DRUG RING then we have to. She is innocent!!! Plus the drug ring has to be exposed at some stage else the drugs will come to Australia and will be injected into our children.
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
You say you are a mum.
Well obviously you are not a mum of a young man who is not too smart and easily led and could quite easily have been one of the young men carrying the drugs.
How do you know Schapelle is innocent?
We assume she is innocent because we want her to be innocent.
I do believe it was a trade-off because now the prosecution is asking for life imprisonment whereas last week they were asking for the death penalty.
Yes drugs are bad for those who take them, but then I see those people as being just as stupid as the ones who were bribed into carrying the drugs and it is a CHOICE. Know the word?????
If drugs were de-criminalised AS ALCOHOL IS, and it is a deadly drug, then we wouldn't have this sitution.
It is absolutely ridiculous that most of those young men who were only carrying drugs are more than likely going to be sentenced to death.
I suggest Madam that you go somewhere quiet and examine your morals.
Drag them out one by one if you can find them and dust them off.
To suggest that one person is innocent because it seems unlikely that she would do the crime and because she is a pretty young woman,and to be happy for a number of young men ( I think 4 are Asian, so what's an Asian life worth anyway!)to die because they were used in some sort of sick deal by the AFP is bizarre to say the least.
At least be consistent.
If people want to take drugs, they certainly have my blessings to do so.
Not only does it not bother me in the least, but I believe that the whole drug scene is a contrived exercise in cynicism by most governments who profit magnificently from it all in any manner of ways.
Don't contact me again and I won't contact you.
shadows
21 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
Sir, I did NOT say nor even "suggest that one person is innocent because it seems unlikely that she would do the crime and because she is a pretty young woman,and to be happy for a number of young men"
- you are misquoting me, please read my comment again.
Neither am I supporting the death penalty for the 9 young Australians - I don't believe I said anything to warrant your comment:
"It is absolutely ridiculous that most of those young men who were only carrying drugs are more than likely going to be sentenced to death."
In fact, I agree with your comment. I do not support the death penalty.
I am merely saying that I believe Schapelle is innocent and should not be found guilty nor be sentenced to the death penalty.
Please do not take my comments as anything personal against any of your comments, I do not know you. I am entitled to my opinion and when you say:
"To suggest that one person is innocent because it seems unlikely that she would do the crime and because she is a pretty young woman,and to be happy for a number of young men ( I think 4 are Asian, so what's an Asian life worth anyway!)to die because they were used in some sort of sick deal by the AFP is bizarre to say the least.
At least be consistent."
I can't think where you read my post as meaning the above? I didn't say she was a pretty young woman and I wouldn't be happy for a number of young men to die. As for the sick deal - when was this said?
I understand you are passionate about this case and I support that but to misinterpret me, or any other poster on this forum, does nothing to highlight your comments with any worth, nor mine nor this forum.
I believe we are all supporting Schapelle here???
1 May 2004
1 year 2 days
Ummm shadows is a lady :)
I know I am being a hard man on this but lets face facts here. The nine are old enough to know the harm that hard drugs inflict on people. They are old enough to know that what they were doing was wrong. One even had the ordacity to say "What happend to Corby happened to me" For gods sake, three at least had the drugs strapped to thier bodies. How in hell could they be set up like he was implying. One thing I will say in thier defence is that the kids of today have had thier morals eroded. Just look at the culture that is being force fed to them. Drugs, gangs, fast cars, loose sexual relationships, sexual degradation...and thats just the music videos. This sort of crap is shown on Sunday morings when kids are most likely to watch it. Then you have all the movies and adds on TV that portray the same thing. I am not a Xtian but for heavens sake we need to get our kids back on track before ir is all over. But whatever the case, some drugs were stopped from coming here and that is a good thing in my book.
21 April 2005
4 years 42 weeks
I agree, I am glad those drugs were stopped. I don't wish the death penalty on those 9 though. (not saying you do!)
Comments like Shadow made:
"If people want to take drugs, they certainly have my blessings to do so."
I found that incredible. They are illegal, they wreck lives and families, destroy futures - I could go on. I think people that imply that drugs aren't that bad are one of the reasons society and young kids are more accepting of drugs.
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
destroys futures.
And look at the crime that swept the US when they had prohibition.
Try a little lateral thinking instead of going with the rest of the sheep and assuming that might is right.
1 May 2004
1 year 2 days
I hate disagreeing with people I like shadows so please don't think I am being nasty.
I do agree with you that alcohol is a much bigger problem than drugs. I also know that when I smoked pot all that happened was that I became a bit vague. When I drank I was very very close to being violent. To me though these people were not bringing in pot, they were bringing in hard drugs. My own stance is that ALL drugs should either be illegal or moderated. The only use I would like to see for drugs is in the field of mind expansion in places where people can be safe if anything goes wrong. And just for the record I haven't smoked drugs in ten or twelve years and have not drunk in many more than that. My views are based on the fact that I used to be nice, I used to try and help peole. Then my memories and almost all my house hold posesesions were stolen by a drug addict. (Cupboards, Antieques, paintings, clothes, electrical) Now I dont care so much about people who are on drugs, do the crime, pay the price in my book. Oh and I do not agree with the death penalty for this either
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
I can accept that people disagree with me, I am not totally gone in the head.
But EM if you project your mind back to the prohibition era in America in the twenties, there were the Al Capones and all that mob getting rich off providing alcohol which people were determined to drink.
As an experiment in sociology it just didn't work.
And the same thing is happening with drugs.
I think we have all been victims of drug addicts.
My kids have all had their houses broken into by drug addicts after money or stuff to sell for drugs.
The reason a lot of drug addicts want to take drugs is because they are illegal.
De-criminalise them and they will lose interest.
It's human nature.
If they were de-criminalised it would be much easier to monitor them.
I know our experiences make us the people we are EM, and my experiences have shown me what the drug scene is all about.
I hope Conner is well and everything is fine.
Give him a kiss for me.
shadows
24 June 2004
2 years 35 weeks
Where exactly did I say that drugs are not that bad???
I know full well what drugs are as I know what alcohol is and everyone has the right to destroy their own lives.
If that is their choice.
14 April 2005
4 years 43 weeks
Dont think that the 11 kg of heroin is off the streets. On the contrary, its probably for sale right now, and the stuff confiscated will be sugar when they destroy it. The corrupt officials will never miss an opportunity for more money. Also the drug ring has not been destroyed.The AFP continue to rise to the level of their own incompetence.
Regards.