Arm the Innocents - or, It's More Guns the USA Needs, Not Fewer
Posted by the shadow at 00:38, 27 Apr 2007I saw an interview on CNN the other day where a supposed expert on guns stated that the reason the person in question was able to murder so many people at Virgnia Tech was because none of his classmates were allowed to carry weapons.
Now there's a thought.
If students at the collegs had been allowed to attend lessons armed and Cho had come in and pointed a gun at someone, he would have been shot dead in an instant, saving many lives.
Well not all that many lives I suppose, when you realise that with all the flying bullets quite a few would have been killed by accident.
But then I guess it must be easier to grieve over someone shot by accident in a justified shoot-out than someone cold-bloodedly gunned down by a maniac.
You could then have called it Gunfight at the OK Campus.
I am heartily in favour of this idea of allowing, nay, insisting, that everyone carry guns.
We in Australia with the proud record, yet to be broken by a gun-happy USA, of the most deaths at any one time caused by a maniac with guns, should take comfort at the idea that there may be a solution to these shoot-em-ups.
The solution is arming the innocents.When you teach your toddler to throw a ball, give him also a plastic gun which he can learn to wear in his diaper.It will get him ready for the heavier more bulkier items he will need to get used to in later years.
Give him shooting lessons along with learning to ride his trike, and as he gets older teach him to draw and shoot on the run.
(Oh you already do? Well done!)
Get him used to a variety of weapons but I believe the weapon of choice should be a small pistol which can be secreted on his person.
As the child grows older the State would play its part in arming the citizins and provide competitions at Play Group and later, Kindergarten for these wee ones.
By the time the child is confronted with Big School he would be a crack shot, and able to handle his weapon with confidence.
By university,there would be no challenges to him and his armaments.
Maybe we cannot save the world, but we can save people from being gunned down in a work place or a campus, a primary school or a recreation park, a post office or doctor's surgery, just by arming the innocents.
I can see the day when the State will voluntarily arm everyone, from cradle to grave, which by then will probably be a very short run,but we will be the better for it.
Don't ban guns!
Make more guns!
Arm the innocents!
Heck, arm everyone!
But remember to be careful of the maniacs.
shadows
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10 August 2004
8 hours 16 min
You don't know where a bullet will end up if your eyes are shut when you pull the trigger - and that's what I have done on the few times I've used a weapon. I'm probably safer if I'm armed with a frying pan.
Woo Hoo! Wonderful to see you posting - long may it last.
Regards and love, Kathrinn.
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Hi Kathrinn,
Thank you for the kind wishes.
I would be hopeless with a gun because I would forget how to fire it and have to bang the person over the head with it.
I woke up at 3am puzzling over why guns are so prevalent in our society now and why so many people want to use them.It is not only the USA.I have come up with a theory that people do not see the connection between firing a gun and the bullet killing a person.It is different with a knife and scissors, because there is tangible evidence that they can kill.You can cut yourself just by handling them.
A young killer was interviewed on CNN and he said that when he shot some classmates he expected to see them stand up again like in the video games.
Yet I am reluctant to blame video games for what is happening.
The only solution I can see to the dreadful situation we now face in which more and more people will carry guns to defend themselves, is to educate the very young about the damage to human lives caused by guns.They need to see and understand cause and effect and know that this bullet they insert into this weapon can take a life.
shadows
29 March 2007
4 years 1 week
Good to see you're posting again Shadow. Welcome back.
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Thanks mate.Good to see you again.
shadows
1 May 2004
3 years 50 weeks
My heart gave a leap ... so glad to see you back posting shadows.
Now, as for the guns, I live in the southern part of the USA (which I believe is the headquarters for certain gun toting idiots) it's where hunting and shooting is inculcated early on in the education of the young. Guns are part of the culture. Learning (gun safety is a course I have taught) how to shoot, load and clean a firearm are part of the sport of shooting. Game hunting is a huge industry. But the sad events that we have seen over the past decades have brought much needed discussion on ownership, respondsibilities and legal requirements.
Yet, none of this can alter the frame of mind of the individual wielding a dangerous weapon during these rampant shooting sprees. If a person is determined enough to obtain a weapon, they will regardless of laws or how well armed the population at large is. The lamentable fact that so many children now live with gunfire on a weekly if not daily basis. Armies of children are built up by drug lords and various other nefarious individuals worldwide. Life is not valued, nor is a proper education, many live a hand to mouth existence, feelings run high and they believe they must use guns. They know no better.
A sad commentary on our state of existence, arming ourselves to conduct our lives. By the way, I'm an excellent marksman. But I don't hunt nor do I carry a weapon.
Much love to you and yours downunder shadows, hope to see you posting again soon. Kind regards, Pam -----------------------------Truth is stranger than fiction.
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
You are very kind.
I think you are saying that guns are part of the culture in the US and other countries and I understand that.I also understand that it is very difficult to identify some maniac who has intentions of killing a large group of people.
What I don't understand is the ready accessibility of guns to these types of people.They say that if someone is determined to kill he will manage to find the guns.
But not necessarily so.
A person like Cho would not have had the contacts on the street to purchase weapons.
He walked into a store and walked out in a few minutes with guns and bullets.
The problem also with having a gun culture is the loss of many innocent lives in the home.Yet it seems people are happy to pay the price for their freedom to own weapons.
I see that freedom to own weapons as being the rights of the individual against the rights of society at large.
And yet, as a socialist I agree with the right of the individual.
But as with all societies, the time comes when it must make a choice to protect its members from themselves.
Crikey I never thought I'd ever say that.
That's what makes this situation such a difficult one.
I feel that in the US at present as in Oz our freedoms are being eroded as I write, and I can understand the reluctance of the people to give up their guns- just another freedom eroded.
And when everyone around you is armed it must take incredible courage to go unarmed.
But when you get down to the nitty gritty, Cho would have looked an awful fool trying to kill all those people with a baseball bat.
Kind regards Pam to you and Heartsguy and the family.
B
1 May 2004
3 years 50 weeks
I agree with you shadows that it's a difficult subject, it's one that is wrestled with daily. It was very easy for Cho to purchase his. This is the ironic situation, the conundrum that we are tangled in. No quick and easy solution.
This sort of goes back to the fact (I had blogged on this) that Cho was never taken seriously. He was interviewed by the psychiatrists or psychologists but his problems were not addressed. He was not helped. He went deeper into his madness. There were no stop gap measures in place for someone so disturbed. This is what alarms me. That seriously mentally ill people who have these ideations of murder and mayhem, some eventually act upon them. Cho's mental problems were known and long standing, that is a fact that came out after the shootings.
I read an article yesterday where it stated that the physical scars may heal but the mental scars will not on each of Cho's victims. OK, I found it in my history and here it is.
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Saturday, April 28, 2007
BLACKSBURG, Va. - Senior Kevin Sterne will see the scar on his thigh every time he pulls on his pants. Freshman Hilary Strollo will have to decide whether to bare her stomach in a swimsuit. And on the day someone slips a wedding band on her finger, junior Katelyn Carney will see the healed-up hole that a Virginia Tech gunman put in her left hand.
Most of the dead from the April 16 massacre on campus are buried, their families learning to live with loss.
Those who survived will have their own struggles, from physical scars to deep wounds of the psyche, trying to figure out how to stop the most dramatic event in their lives from overshadowing everything else that happens to them.
Anne Lynam Goddard, whose son Colin was shot three times during the attack on his French class, sees his trauma the way doctors see the shrapnel embedded in the tissue of his wounded leg: trying to remove it would cause more pain and might make matters worse, so it's best to leave it be.
"Your body forms a cocoon, so it will always be part of you, but it won't hurt. That's how I started thinking about this early on," she said. "My biggest hope is that this is how my son will remember this. I hope he can form a cocoon around it and not let it be his defining moment."
The terror of those moments is nightmarish. After sneaking into a dorm and killing two students with two shots from a 9 mm handgun, Seung-Hui Cho took his time, heading to a post office to mail a package of video and writings expressing his anger.
Then he chained the doors of Norris Hall, stormed several classrooms and unloaded more than 170 rounds over nine long minutes. Students - some wounded, some not - cowered, played dead and listened in horror as 30 of their classmates and teachers died.
Cho then put a bullet through his head and dropped to the floor amid his victims.
Most of the 25 people hurt in the worst mass shooting in modern U.S. history are healing in private, declining or ignoring interview requests.
Justin Klein, a junior from Catonsville, Md., who survived three gunshot wounds, issued a statement saying he is progressing physically and emotionally. He's back on campus, with friends forming a buffer around his wheelchair, shielding him from reporters.
"My place is here, with my friends," Klein wrote. "The Hokie community is strong and resilient, we will persevere, we will go on and we will heal."
It will not be easy. As the weeks and months unfold, the wounded could experience depression, survivor's guilt, thoughts of suicide, anger, depression and post-traumatic stress disorder.
Physical injuries and painful follow-up surgeries could slow students' academic progress and keep them feeling somewhat isolated, said Melissa Brymer, a clinical psychologist with the UCLA-Duke National Center for Child Traumatic Stress.
"Their scars can be reminders to themselves and to others, so this may impact their peer relationships. Their peers might not be able to cope with those reminders. They might distance themselves," she said.
There is no single way for victims of a tragedy to recover and adapt to what has happened, said Mark Lerner, a clinical psychologist and traumatic stress consultant.
"For some people, getting back on the horse, getting back on the bicycle and exposing themselves to this difficult environment where this has occurred, being back on that campus will be a really good thing for them," Lerner said. "For others, it may be more than can be expected, too much for them to handle."
Patrick Strollo, brother of injured freshman Hilary Strollo, said there is no doubt she will return to campus after recovering at home in Gibsonia, Pa., from three gunshot wounds.
"What are the other options? She's not the only one who had something happen to her. Every single person who goes to that school has had something happen to them," he said. "She has a ton of friends there and she needs to stick to the people she can relate with, and they're going to get through this together."
Strollo faces a struggle similar to that of Sterne and Carney. Sterne was wounded in the leg, the image of him being carried out of the building captured in a now-famous photograph. Carney was hit in the hand during her German class, but helped fend off the gunman by barricading the door to stop him from getting back into the room.
The bloodbath at Virginia Tech was singular in its horror. But in many ways, the path the wounded must follow is not so different from the one others have traveled.
In January 2000, Alvaro Llanos was a freshman at New Jersey's Seton Hall University when two students set fire to a dormitory. Three classmates died. The flames left the upper half of his body with painful and - for some time - obvious scars.
He went through physical therapy and took a year off from school. When he returned, he found support - and scrutiny.
"I figured I'd feel more comfortable being back at school. Especially when people know what happened, it would be easier than going to a different school and having to answer questions," Llanos said.
But after walking into a Spanish class the first day back, he quickly realized it wasn't going to be that easy.
"I felt like everyone was staring at me," he recalled. "I didn't feel like one of the regular students anymore."
That was six years ago, and Llanos has not graduated. He has made a new life, different from the one he'd envisioned.
Instead of pursuing a computer science degree, his recovery process persuaded him to train as a physical therapist. He married, has a toddler daughter and expects a second child soon.
And he has found in himself an energy and positive outlook; he rarely tolerates self-pity.
Some of the Virginia Tech wounded may find it hard to summon patience, but eventually, they must push forward because so much awaits them, Llanos said.
"You have to move on. You can't be stuck because if you stay stuck you're never going to be happy," he said. "Be happy and fulfill your life."
Sitting in her son's hospital room the day after the shootings, Anne Goddard tried to pre-empt the most difficult question Colin could ask himself.
"There is no answer to the question of why some people got shot and died and why some people got shot and lived," she told him. "There is no answer to that question. Don't go looking for it."
"Yeah," he said. "You're right."
Colin Goddard is already looking ahead. In the emergency room the day he was shot, the child who was born in Bangladesh and raised in Somalia and Egypt wanted to know if he could still do his internship on a development project this summer in Madagascar.
"Some parents would be afraid to let their kid go. I'm not," said Anne Goddard, a veteran aid worker who directs the Richmond-based Christian Children's Fund. "I want him to come back in August talking about something very different."
http://home.peoplepc.com/psp/newsstory.a...
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24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Pam you got it in one.
The fallout is immense,and ongoing.That's why I have tried to look at all aspects of gun ownership instead of just going off half-cocked(as it were) about the huge number now in the hands of society.
There is no easy answer but I believe it requires that we address the problem with some deep thought.
shadows
1 May 2004
2 weeks 3 days
I've missed your comments, shadows - it's good to see you back.
Pam said game hunting is a huge industry. When I was a kid, living in the same state Pam now lives in, it wasn't so much an industry as a way to make financial ends meet. My dad hunted 'game' to put meat on the table. Sure, we had 'store-bought vittles', but we also frequently ate wild quail, dove, turkey, deer, squirrel, and rabbit. Accidently biting down on bits of buckshot that my dad missed while cleaning all this game certainly brought home the point that he'd used a gun to kill it.
There are actually several, very different gun cultures in the US.
Chaney aside, considering how many millions of people here hunt wild game for both sport and food, it's astounding how rarely game hunters are accidently shot. Anyone who's ever dressed an animal they've just shot is well aware of the damage a bullet can do.
From what I've seen, the most dangerous gun-owners are the non-hunting homeowners who mistakenly believe they'll be able to defend themselves with a gun they've rarely, if ever, shot, and the drug gangs and other criminals that these gun-owning homeowners are trying to defend themselves against.
I own guns, and I've always been such an excellent marksman, I suspect I was a wild-west gunslinger in a past life. Now I live in a gated community with heavy video surveillance, I keep my doors and windows locked, and, yes, as a last line of defense, I keep loaded guns in a handy, concealed location. Night before last, I had to call the police about gunshots that were being fired less than a hundred yards from our front gate. I hear gun fire so frequently in this neighborhood, I only call the police when the gun's being fired within a block or two, and I can tell which direction it's coming from. This was the first time I've called this year, but as the weather warms up, I'll probably be calling them at least once a month. It took the police at least 15 minutes to respond. Good thing I've got brick walls! You may think I'm mad, but as far as I'm concerned, if one of these drug-dealing nutters decides to break into my apartment, I won't be calling 911 and waiting 15 or 20 minutes for the police to arrive -- I'll be dishing out some well-aimed instant karma to help him sort out his priorities.
Kat
14 January 2006
32 weeks 6 days
Has anybody at TDG heard of the a Dawson College shooting in Quebec Canada? Over a decade ago Marc Lepine killed more at École Polytechnique. Now imagine being a student at university, or College... You are away from home for the first time. You have to pay for tuition, books, room & board, have money to go drinking on pub night, and loooooooooo behold you must not only carry a black berry, cell phone, a pager, but a gun too. All my life living here in Toronto, there has never been massacre at York University, University of Toronto, or even Ryserson Unversity, but in Quebec there has been two such events. In the USA, there has been more. This is madness to let the weapons industry dictate our lives, particularily our places of learning. Schools are not a shooting gallery. If shareholders of munitions companies want a fair return in their investments then keep voting for Bush and his cronies and you will live a life of luxury, all the while fear and paranoia will fill the airwaves. Better get ear plugs for that. Is this the real shadows????????? WIll the real shadows please stand up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
22 November 2004
2 weeks 15 hours
stop smoking that stuff people
You want peace made by your government?
You won't get it, you will be suffocated.
Good Luck.
Paul Toronto is not Canada, and Toronto is not the world.
Grow up.
And discover the informative advantage of text markup, such as paragraph breaks.
Grow up.
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24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
I think Paul was worrying that I am for more guns when what I'm saying really is that more guns have only resulted in more deaths.
shadows
22 November 2004
2 weeks 15 hours
I am just saying that peace too rigidly enforced by the government does not work, you don't get peace. And the peaceful ones end up being suffocated.
The comment for Paul relates to a local issue here in Canada. The folks who live in Toronto, our largest city, live under the illusion that the rest of the country is like that city. This of course is not true, the country is large and diverse. So I remind him of that occasionally.
Something like 70% of the Toronto population have never been outside Toronto. This leads to insular thinking, inbreeding and similar undesirable effects. Typical big city stuff :)
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2 is not equal to 3 - not even for large values of 2
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Earthling I don't know if you are aware that Paul is a published author of a number of books which leads me to assume that he is aware there are other cities outside of his own.
shadows
22 November 2004
2 weeks 15 hours
I just notice every now and then that Paul exhibits a typical Torontonian bias. How many books he has published isn't really relevant.
It's a local issue between Toronto and the rest of Canada. And as I said, it is typical for many big cities. New York City is probably the worst on this continent. San Francisco is pretty bad that way too. And I'm sure Paris and London are just as bad.
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f u cn rd ths, u r prbbly a lsy spllr.
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Nice to see you.
The blog I wrote about arming innocents and needing more guns is called 'satire'.
I wanted to call people's attention to what is happening with loonies with guns.
I believe that Canada has as many guns as the US but there are fewer deaths from gunshot wounds.
Why?
Are Canadians more laid back?
Are they more responsible gun owners?
I don't know what the reason is but I would like to be able to find out.
I abhor guns.
I also have come to realise that it is going to be very difficult to remove guns from people who own them.In Australia when certain weapons were banned, many people simply buried them in polypipe in their back yards.
What I am saying is that I don't know the solution.That if people are going to own guns and have such easy access to them, then I think the education should be full on.
And that's the real shadows
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Hi Kat, lovely to see you again.I missed you too.
I cannot imagine living where Kat does and having to have loaded weapons in a secret place in case my home is broken into.And yes I believe in the right to defend yourself.
I have serious neighbour trouble and I have tried for years to make peace with them and now that I am alone and crippled their assaults on my house and yard and dogs have got worse.But hopefully I will be able to have them removed when I report them to the Real Estate people this week.
I can only hope that they are not armed, as I am not.
When the male neighbour pulled palings off my fence late one night and tried to break my front windows and then banged on my front door with them, I might have felt more secure had I a loaded gun in my hand.
But in Australia, if I had shot him, I would have been prosecuted.
Kat is right when she says that the real gun problems stem from people who buy them for defence and only keep them in their cupboards.
I have worried and thought about this gun business for years now, trying to see both sides of the argument.On a personal level I would like to see it almost impossible to buy a gun and completely impossible to buy bullets.I would like to see people have to fill in form after form before they are allowed access to a gun and I would like to see psychiatric testing before anyone is handed a weapon capable of killing people.
And for those of you who feel they have the need to keep loaded weapons for their own live's sake---safe handling.
shadows
1 May 2004
2 days 8 hours
seriously Kat, if where I live became like where you live............I would pack my bags.
"While contemplating on their life, anyone who says they have no regrets and would do it all the same again, have not learn't anything."
LRF.
1 May 2004
3 years 50 weeks
One of my first memories was when I was nearing the age of two. My father had been hunting for squirrels and came home with his limit. I saw him put the canvas jacket with the dead game in the pockets on the back of the chair with a furry tail poking out from under the flap. I looked in and saw all these "sleeping babies" so I go with the armload of dead creatures to my parents room. There I pulled back the chenille spread and the sheet, lining them up on the pillow, carefully tucking them in and bidding them "nite nite" then toddling off to play. Only to hear a bit later my mother screaming. My father took me and the varmits outside, "Pam, never put dead squirrels in our bed ever again." I never have so that was a lesson learned. He gutted, skinned, deheaded them and then we had them for supper.
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24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Pam that's a lovely story.My story concerns a rat that died out the back of the cafe my mother ran at the time.I carried it in and dressed it in doll's clothes and got smacked for my troubles.
I haven't eaten squirrels as we don't have any here in Oz, but when I lived off and on with my grandparents I ate my share of top-know pigeons and hares, goannas and wallabies.
Must have been good tucker.
shadows
22 November 2004
2 weeks 15 hours
I have not eaten rats, not that I know of. Been to some some Chinese and Vietnamese restaurants, so you never know.
The rabbits I get from the supermarkets here taste a little like Duck. Is that supposed to be right ?
When I can find Monkfish, they taste diluted lobster.
I wonder if a cannibal who eats me would spit me out :)
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f u cn rd ths, u r prbbly a lsy spllr.
28 June 2006
2 days 11 hours
Shadows
I can see your logic and you make a good point; but I can't agree with you on this on for certain reasons. First, given your scenerio, I don't know if a future would be worth having. Second, your scenerio fails to take into account economic factors in society. Guns are expensive and good guns are even more expensive. Furthermore, bullets aren't cheap either. So, poor childern would either be unarmed or armed with inferior weapons that could explode in their hands. Thus, the better armed rich and upper middle classes could do even more to exploit the poor and lower middle classes. The middle of the middle class would be in the middle of this and they would probably be divided. I see a mess resulting from your scenerio. But, Who knows?
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think!!!}
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Nice to see you.
I was actually being sarcastic.By writing like that I hoped to draw attention to the problem we are now having with so many people owning guns and having easy access to them.
It does happen that people give guns to small children which leads the children to assume that carrying and shooting guns is normal practice.
It appears to be too late for the gun culture of some countries,mostly the US and Australia to change, so I advocate that there has got to be education about guns.
Hence with my tongue in my cheek I wrote that if you give guns to babies they might somehow learn how to handle them better.
It is interesting that England and Canada are different.I think in England it is because the police did not carry guns.I don't know about now, but I know that they never did previously.
In Canada there is high gun ownership and a lot of game hunting, but there is not the incidence of mass murders that happens in the US and OZ.
I don't know why.
Michael Moore in his doco Bowling for Columbine said it was because the people in these two countries do not suffer from fear the way they do in the US.I don't think they do in Oz either but we have had our share of mass murders.
I worry a lot about it and I have family members in North America but of course it could happen anywhere at any time I suppose.
shadows
28 June 2006
2 days 11 hours
Shadows
I gave a straight response. I think that some of the Police in Britain have started to carry guns in some areas. I'm not sure. But, the Canadain Mounted Police always carried side arms. In Japan, there are very strict gun laws. I Hate Guns!!!!!!!
What do you think?
cnnek
{You Can Teach People How To Think Or What To Think; But, You Can't Do Both! It Is Better To Teach People How To Think!!!}
22 November 2004
2 weeks 15 hours
Of course Canada and England (or Great Britain) are very different.
Canada is an unfinished country, 40 times larger than GB. There are real wild animals, and some big predators. The police won't come help you if a bear breaks into your house. And they do that, the bears.
So this sort of thing explains why high powered hunting rifles make good sense in Canada. If you shoot a big bear with a small gun, you are in more trouble than before you shot the bear.
Australia doesn't have large predators (or not that I know of). Great Britain doesn't even have small predators, other than domestic animals (read dogs).
The UK has had plenty of gun violence, originating from Northern Ireland. The IRA has had lots of illegal guns and explosives.
Germany has had serious gun violence, while they have some of the strictest gun laws you can find anywhere.
Also another factoid to put things in perspective: more people die each day in traffic in the US than in this massacre. I don't know how many die from smoking. Of course, this doesn't make the shooting victims any more alive.
One big problem is that there are deeply trouble people, who somehow go off the deep end, past their breaking point.
If we want to reduce the violence, we need to help these people. Some of them are beyond help, and need to be kept away from harm.
As for what any individual can do, I suggest to be tolerant and a little nicer to our fellow man and women. And especially to children, so they don't develop problems early in life. We should listen occasionally.
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f u cn rd ths, u r prbbly a lsy spllr.
1 May 2004
3 years 50 weeks
Dear shadows, Last night on the program they had a portion of the line up devoted to the topic we have been discussing. I watched it in it's entirety and felt that our government (Federal/State/County) has failed the people on many levels. This is my opinion.
Excerpt from an online article is below the link. Love, Pam
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/04/2...
Current law bars people judged by a court to be "mentally incompetent" from purchasing firearms, but the federal background check database is incomplete, with many states far behind in automating their records and sending them to the FBI.
Cho Seung-Hui, the 23-year-old gunman in the recent shootings, should have failed his background checks and been barred access to guns after a Virginia special justice found in 2005 that his mental illness made him a danger to himself, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said this week.
The measure being negotiated would subject states to possible penalties for failing to provide the information, and authorize new federal grants to help them do so.
"If we give the states what they need to enforce these limits, that's a big step," McCarthy said. "A computer is only as good as the information in it."
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24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Hi Pam,
I guess we can be grateful for small mercies when it comes to governments actually acting responsibly with regard to guns.
The Cho situation reminds me of Martin Bryant of Port Arthur notoriety.Bryant is a lunatic with a love of guns.The thing I find incredible is that no one picked up on the combined factor of his gun ownership and lunacy.
I suppose as long as a person appears to function in society then we don't worry about them.
There is a conspiracy theory here in Oz that Bryant did not do the shootings, that he was a patsy for some former undercover person to do them to get guns banned in Oz.
That's the greatest lie of the century as any person who was present at the shootings would tell you.
These weirdos claim that a person of Bryant's ilk could not have taken out so many people so quickly.
Bullpoop!
It would have been like shooting fish in a barrel,when he shot those people in the Broad Arrow Cafe.With weapons that spray bullets at so many per second even I could do it.
And the small children he shot with their mother, he was very very close to them.
Bryant exhibited signs of mental disorder before he was a teenager when he committed arson.When questioned about what he had done he said of course he would do it again.
There have been denials about where he purchased his weapons, no one seems to know.
But I remember very well an article in the SMH where he was said to have purchased them from a gun seller in Tasmania who then said that he continually changed his mind about them and would swap them for others.
And even this did not draw attention to the fact that there was someone of very unsound mind running around with high-powered weapons.
I would like to see weapons in the hands of ordinary citizens reduced to single shot weapons, and ownership of only one weapon allowed.
For the life of me I cannot understand why an ordinary farmer would require a high-powered weapon or one that fires continually.
You can see I know nothing about guns but I know enough to know what will surely kill and what might not.
Baby steps are being taken, and that is better than no steps at all.
Thank you for the information.
love shadows
1 May 2004
1 week 1 day
A very warm welcome back :)
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
YOu are very kind.Do you still have your Bernadette rose? I still haven't seen one but I was thrilled to find that it was grown by Meilland.
love shadows
1 May 2004
1 week 1 day
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Is that really Bernadette? It is stunning, and I think it is a climber, right?
Maybe it is here is Oz under another name as Meilland often sell roses to be re-named.
It really is a gorgeous rose.You are so kind, you have always sent me beautiful pics when I needed them the most.
And I have not forgotten.
love shadows
Such a beautiful thing to see in the middle of such a depressing blog!
1 May 2004
1 week 1 day
Re: Weaponry (of any kind in the 'hands' of any one)
There are always 'justifications' - but in the end - perhaps the truth is that the means simply cannot be justified by any reasonably-thinking (sane) mind.
So few make a move against it...
We accept the force, the violence, the deprivation, the environmental destruction & a host of other insanities around us - and so, there are always going to be victims of such cultural...hazards. We allow governments to levy taxes from us that are used in ways that are not in the best interests of the people. The systems upon which the majority of our world is built are geared to lead us straight into captivity - slaves to consumerism, sensationalism & self-gratification.
We continue to accept and propagate prejudices & intolerances in hundreds of ways. We fail to face facts because it may offend the agenda of the politically correct.
There are so many divisions in existence - and there are those who rule having conquered by exploiting such divisions.
In reality - there is nothing in existence that serves to divide us but ourselves.
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
You are right on the ball with your thoughtful post aurora.
It makes me think that you have reached the stage I reached where I despaired for the human race.
And that is why I have modified the fierce stand I always took on such issues as gun control.
I know what I would like to see, but I have more realistic expectations now.It is a compromise I know, but I realise that our way of life at present is here to stay, until at last we are driven to the brink and forced to reclaim our souls.
Being able to discuss the situation with people on TDG makes me aware that I am not alone in how I feel.
shadows
1 May 2004
3 years 50 weeks
As I said, posting earlier about certain "gun toting factions" in this part of the U.S.A., here is another synchronicity for me. This was on the news Thursday.
Love, Pam
http://www.ksdk.com/news/world/us_world_...
and here
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2687...
With five bomb squads at the ready, and one of the raids was one quarter of a mile from a local school.
Federal and state agents raided on Thursday morning a group in Alabama near Collinsville calling itself "The Free Militia" and discovered a small arsenal of home-made weapons that included a rocket launcher, 130 hand grenades and 70 Improvised Explosive Devices (IEDs) similiar to the kind used by insurgents against American GIs in Iraq.
Agents also recovered enough live ammo to fill a U-Haul trailer, U.S. Attorney Alice Martin said.
Eric Kehn, a spokesman with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosive, said four search warrants were executed in the operation, and six arrests were made.
Those arrested include: Raymond Kirk Dillard, a.k.a. Jeff Osborne, 46 of Collinsville, Ala.; Adam Lynn Cunningham, 41, also of Collinsville; Bonnell Hughes, a.k.a. Buster Hughes, 57, of Crossville, Ala.; Michael Wayne Bobo, 30, of Trussville, Ala.; Randall Garrett Cole, 22, of Gadsden, Ala.; and James Ray McElroy, 20, of Collinsville.
All six of the suspects belonged to "The Free Militia," officials said. -----------------------------Truth is stranger than fiction.
24 June 2004
4 years 35 weeks
Hi Pam, yes I think violence triggers violence.Loonies are not put off by deaths of others who mishandle firearms-instead they seem to see it as an example to follow.
I live in Queensland which is called the 'deep north'by a lot of other Australians.There are supposed to be more of these 'Free Militia' types here than anywhere else in Oz.But personally I believe the Northern Territory is probably the wildest place in the country.Not to mention Tassie.
Just joking.
It is a mindset that causes this idea that you can take on the government with guns.
I suppose that brings me back to my initital argument that as guns are here to stay, let's change the mindset associated with them.
shadows