The Expendables: Snowden & Lazar

I want to discuss something I've been keeping on the back of my head for a while:

In light of the recent revelations brought to our attention by Edward Snowden, does it mean we should re-evaluate our conception of Bob Lazar?

Possibly the most shocking thing we were forced to wrap our heads around, when we learned the NSA was actively snooping inside our mailbox, was the fact that they were hiring 20-something High-school dropouts for that job. Is the trend of hiring expendable individuals who are not the cream of the top extend to other sensible projects... like black-ops engineering positions inside Area 51?

The thing that made most people doubt Lazar's claims was his educational curriculum. But maybe the fact that he lied about his degrees is the reason why they decided to hire him in the 1st place.

But here's the kicker: 24 years later Lazar is alive & well, living a quiet life running his company United Nuclear --which even has the US government as client!-- whereas Snowden has turned into the most wanted man in the world. Does that mean Lazar was left alone because he unawarely performed the task he was entrusted to --i.e. spreading disinformation about reverse-engineered alien tech?

Thoughts?

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emlong's picture
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"I’m fully aware that many people can’t and won’t separate a good deed from the doer, because they’re committed to believing, in a brain-addled fashion, that the two must harmonize. They would would prefer this sort of proposition: If JFK really, as some say, wanted to get us out of the horror called the Vietnam war early on, then he couldn’t have cheated on his wife a few thousand times.
Good luck. The world doesn’t always cooperate with such a puerile view. And, by the way, perhaps Snowden is a kind of hero, but with a significantly different twist."

http://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2013/0...

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Yes, my dear Emlong. I'm aware you think of Snowden as a double agent. And to be 100% honest with you, it will probably take me another 24 years to make my opinion about him. At this point I don't know.

How did he execute the hacks? According to press reports (and this isn’t necessarily Snowden’s version), the magic wand was a thumb-drive. Snowden waltzed into work with one, plugged in, and stole the farm and the Holy Grail and the kitchen sink.

Well, remember Gary McKinnon? A pothead with very little computer skills managed to infiltrate some of the most sensitive military & government networks, because most people in charge of those systems were lazy enough to leave the default admin password.

Where some people see conspiracies, I see incompetence ;)

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I don't know for sure anything about Snowden. None of us do, but it is certainly an interesting perspective. I am more inclined to think he is not a double agent so much as he a sort of information marionette who was allowed access to stuff that would embarrass the NSA and not the CIA, and some of the stuff he has been blabbing about mind controlling activists via synthetic telepathy just sounds like fear mongering by the intelligence agencies who would have made certain that Snowden had access to files like that even if they were gross exaggerations.
The "incompetence" argument was also used to explain 9/11, and as we now know it was anything but incompetence.

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Well, then there you have it: if 20 years from now we see that Snowden didn't end the rest of his days in prison, then perhaps he was also another useful idiot, just like Bob Lazar was.

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Yes, I think that is probable. This is not to denigrate the value of what he released, but we did know about NSA spying before this. If this really was a CIA turf conflict then the CIA is as much to be commended as Snowden for formally outing the excesses of the NSA.

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So you're seeing here a possible turfwar between intelligence agencies, which is definitely something for which there's ample documented evidence.

You're giving me a whole new perspective from which to view this thing, man. Thanks! :)

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