Intelligent Life In Other Solar Systems

"Another thing that I have often wondered about is how other intelligent life would try to contact us. Not how we think they would, but how they would try to contact us. What do you think?" is funny and it does get back to the circle of what we think again. But, I think that we need to break the circle; because, people, in general, tend to view other people from the perspective of what they think and from their own cultural perspective. We might learn more about how to communicate with other evolved intelligent life forms from other solar systems by trying to learn how to relate to each other.
What do you think?

This blog is not about religion as such; but instead, it's about other evolved intelligent life in the universe. So, I'm not going to comment much about religion. But, I wish to clarify one point. I never meant that I think that religion evolved from attempts by aliens to contact us. I think that its evolution as a way of explaining natural events, perpetuating national unity, protecting knowlege, etc. might have provided and might still provide a useful medium for other intelligent life forms to contact us.
What do you think?

I have thought it would kind of like trying to communicate with an ant or similar. It is likely that we are the lowest of the low in terms of "intelligent life" beings capable of having souls, if you look at it we are 90% animal/survival and only 10% divine.

I would say that we have taken the wrong path or perhaps been lead down the wrong path in soceity and I am sure if there were a galactic soceity they would be very nervous about the psychotic monkeys on this planet. I think they cannot overtly contact us because then we would not be exercising our free will to truly evolve, that is why divne or alien guidence is symbolic or full of metaphors, hidden in Alchemy Hermetic Code and various other systems throughout the ages.

 It is truly sad that in this 21st Century, religious rationality is still an oxymoron.

Why do people shy away from the concept of connecting an Intelligent Designer with evolution? Is it because of the bad reputation that many religions have created for the ID through their superstitions beliefs that are justifiably looked upon as mere myth by the scientific community? Why do most psychologists prefer not to discuss spirituality with their patients? Is it because they themselves are often baffled by it and also harbor religiously conditioned superstitions? Shouldn’t religions strive to promote that truthfulness and rationality in religions, truths that can be substantiated by science or those that can not be proven to be wrong?

Spiritual interaction is only possible between spirits. Claims of supernatural acts performed by physical or spiritual beings in the physical universe are not truths.



IMHO, evolution and intelligent design are intertwined. If it were not for evolution, there would be no ID. If the ID exists where then did it come from? Did the ID create life or did life create the ID? Did Life begin on earth? All of what we can presently see of the universe, its billions of stars, the galaxies, and other solar systems with its planets only represent less than 2% of the total existence of the universe. It is naïve of us to assume that throughout the trillions of years past that life has only existed on our small world and therefore the spiritual existence, the ID came about through mankind. We can compare our knowledge to the collective spiritual consciousness, the beginning of the ID and the beginning of life in the universe as that of a two year old child who is just developing its reasoning abilities. Our world status within the universe is comparable to a mere grain of sand, a simple molecule that makes up the vast expanse of the universe.



People have portrayed the ID as being mysterious when the concept of the ID is really quite simple. The ID is a loving, peaceful coexistence of spiritual souls including ours upon our physical demise. The ID's intelligence is ever expanding and grows with the addition of each soul. Every soul is like a separate cell or atom on earth which combines with other cells or atoms to make up the existence of every living person, plant, animal and even the air which sustains all life; so also do souls perform, either
individually or in unison. The bonding of the first two righteous souls, the first reasoning entities, the ID whom mankind has called God, originated somewhere in the universe on our earth or on a planet in another solar system, possibly billions of years ago. The bonding of the first two souls created spiritual unity which expanded
and progressed, created Cumulative Intelligence which our spirit/soul can tap into to receive inspiration and therefrom perform the seemingly impossible.



One needs to keep an open mind and allow the spirit to absorb the logic of who/what the ID is without being inhibited by what should be considered outdated religious dogma and conditioning that has also been a major contributing factor to the causes of killings and terrorism. When peoples' concept of the ID is flawed, corrections, truth, logic and common sense thereof must eventually prevail. Human fallibility and misconceptions have labeled the ID for several millennia as one who interferes with the natural forces and free will of people by threatening punishment to those who disobey his bidding. The ID of our ancestors had to be humanized in order to have the masses adapt the thought processes to that time period. The ID does not change with the times but our perception of who/what the ID is should change as societies eliminate their superstitious
beliefs.



The ID’s way of creating life is beyond the intellectual capacity of man. Pascal's Theory or wager was that God (the ID) is not known through reason but through the heart and that faith is a better guide than reason. I submit that there is sufficient evidence and that by applying intelligent reasoning, one has to come to the conclusion of the probability of an ID existence. I believe that there is a collective consciousness that guides the development of the universe like a Master Planner; there are no religious connections. Spirit, or soul is consciousness as
described by Dr. Pim Van Lommel (cardiologist) in an email to me where he stated, Kurt, “You can call consciousness outside the brain "spirit", if you like, but this can sometimes be confusing because not everybody has the same ideas about what exactly "spirit" should be. There are several "levels" of consciousness, waking consciousness, dreaming consciousness, "subconsciousness", collective human consciousness,
morphogenetic consciousness, higher consciousness, Cosmic
consciousness, Divine consciousness. All these levels of consciousness are interconnected, and available, also during our life in our body.&quot



Enlightenment is a state of intellectual or spiritual awareness, the process of this spiritual awareness is translated by the mind. An aural experience is the mind's interpretation of either a spiritual or intellectual interaction with the subconscious which can also be considered the spirit. Any translation is subject to the mind's
conditioning, hence, when the interceder, the mind is enlightened, it translates the reception accordingly. Every person is born with
consciousness or a spirit and it is not a religious force nor heaven sent or heaven inspired, though some people via deep meditation can have their spirit interact with a spiritual existence. The spirit or soul exists in the collective mental processes of the subconscious. A child’s spirit is a part of the mother's spirit which is passed down to the fetus and is then separated from its host at birth. Consciousness arises when contact has been made with a base; (sense or emotion) this is when spirit initiates its first recording. The spirit is the database of the senses and emotions. One may say that emotions are psychological, (of the psyche) structuralism, psychobiological, but they are nevertheless of the spirit; which also subscribes to a form of natural selection. The mind is unable to consciously communicate with the spirit. The conscience is the only communicator with the spirit or soul. The conscience relays information to the spirit unless the conscience is anesthetized by immoral acts or evil deeds.



Evidence is proof, something that shows what is true. Truth is established by testifying, bearing witness, attesting, declaring under oath that what is testified to, is actuality. In a court of law, as in civil action, evidence is presented and the validity of this evidence is assessed by a judge or jury who rule on it; their decision is accepted and it is determined that proof has been
established by a preponderance of the evidence. Throughout several millennia evidence has been presented that a spiritual existence has interacted with our spirit; this interaction was interpreted by man’s preconditioned mind accordingly and written in the Torah, Bible, Qur'an, etc; therefrom sprang various religions. Man's spirit can interact with the spiritual existence and tap into it, but man's fallible conditioned mind translates this interaction & it is up to man to relay the message & act thereon, hence you have various religions...but there is never any direct interfering. IMHO, what man calls God has been grossly misinterpreted by religious
groups for their own benefit. .



Albert Einstein stated, “Everyone who is seriously interested in the pursuit of science becomes convinced that a spirit is manifest in the laws of the universe—a spirit vastly superior to man, and one in the face of which our modest powers must feel humble." In the Theory of Relativity, the intuitive notion of time as an independent entity is replaced by the concept that space and time are intertwined and inseparable aspects of a four-dimensional universe, which is given the name space-time. The existence of a fourth
dimension is still being vastly debated. If we represent thought and emotion which is not physical, as existing in space, we must then accept the existence of another, a fourth dimension where these processes thrive. Our mind, thought, truth, intuition, intelligence, appreciation and awareness are all aspects of another dimension. Energy, or life is a fundamental attribute and function of the universe. Our bodies build up and harness a minute amount of spiritual energy that is transferred into the spiritual dimension upon our death. Some string theorists claim there are up to 20 dimensions.



The ID is self-sufficient and needs nothing from mankind. When people realize that what man has called God is a spiritual existence that has never interfered in the physical universe, only then can rationality predominate in religion. Wouldn't it be great if all
religions would realize that they all originated from their founder's spiritual interaction with this ID? That this ID is the same that the American Indians called the Great Spirit; but then missionaries and spiritual intellectuals created their own dogma and religions so they could fight amongst themselves as being the one who correctly knew what the will of this ID really was; and they created a mighty ruler, master, tyrant, and they called him God, Allah, Jehovah, etc.



Until we can come up with a viable answer on the existence of an Intelligent Designer, the ID concept should not be taught in science classrooms. Religion has often fought against the findings of science
and we see it today with their resistance toward evolution. When rationality is instituted into religions and when superstitions are eliminated from them and they get back to the basics of spirituality that is entwined with science, only then should it considered a subject for discussions in schools.





Spirit or soul is the record of our consciousness. This record of our consciousness is sustained via righteous living and upon our
physical demise it is cleansed and transmitted to the ID. Evil deeds kill the conscience. It makes no difference what one believes or does not believe during our lifetime.



Religion is the culmination of its own politics and dogma and has often become something other than spirituality. Shouldn’t religions strive to promote that truthfulness and rationality in religions are
truths that can be substantiated by science or those that can not be proven to be wrong? Spiritual interaction is only possible between spirits. Claims of supernatural acts performed by physical or spiritual beings in the physical universe are not truths.



Kurt

"I Am A Transcendentalist"

I think it's funny that no one has yet posed the question "Is there intelligent life down here on Earth?" There's scant little evidence for it - and that's from our own cultural perspective. Try to imagine how an advanced being (technologically and/or spiritually) would view us?

Psychotic monkeys? An insult to psychotic monkeys, I say.

Also, why should the basic chemistry of life on another world be the same, or even similar, to our own? That's just our get out because we have no concept of how any other form of life chemistry would work, so we blinker our opinions and theories to make it easier for us to cope with. Who's to say that other advanced intelligent lifeforms are even composed of solid matter? Huh, that would REALLY get the scientists scratching their heads!

Stanislaw Lem was a twit - why should economic interests come into it? Again, we're stamping the dye of our own socio-economic culture onto that of others whom we can't possibly begin to fathom. Why would another culture have a society that is set up around the accumulation of wealth? Why would another society necessarily have a hierarchical structure that was class-based? When you talk about "economic interests" that is what is being referred to.

I agree with your point on logic. Regardless of culture, chemistry or history one and zero are still universal constants.

As for religion - don't get me started on that one! Anyone who has half a brain can see that modern "organised" religion is nothing more than a vehicle for controlling the wills (and wealth) of the populous. On a personal spiritual side, I believe the invocation of a supreme creator is our own way of explaining to ourselves what ultimately might prove to be inexplicable - a coping mechanism to deal with infinities.

As for any extraterrestrial species, I too believe that the universe is positively teeming with life. We have evolved the way we have over a matter of a couple of million years (or so they'd have us believe). In an astronomical scale, that's less than 1 second ago! Imagine another species that has evolved at the same rate as us, but had a 1000 year head start - imagine the technology 1000 years from now (imagine what ours was 1000 years ago).

What if they had a 1 million year head start on us? Still a half second in the cosmological scale - food for thought.

yer ol' pal,

Xibalba
(This Monday morning philosophical prattle was brought to you by "Realm of the Dead")

Parris ja Young,

You made some good points. I seriously doubt that other intelligent life in the cosmos will have DNA either that resembles ours or that we can recognize as DNA.

In terms of cynicism, I agree that people who are cynical about everything are probably wimps. But, there is nothing wrong with a bit of healthy cynicism to temper our optimism and force us to question ourselves. Questioning is at the center of all research and without a bit of healthy cynicism researchers and others tend not to do it. I research things to learn, not to prove or disprove anything. What I know is based on what I have learned or proven. What I don't know hasn't been proven. What I believe is what I think is possible and/or probable. So, I cherish both my question provoking cynicism and my optimism which is the driving force of my research.

Kennc

The people advocating mathematics as a starting point for communication don't think that our symbols will be understandable. They advocate things like sequences of light (or radio, same thing) pulses which have patterns that are really unlikely to come from natural sources.


The reasoning is of course that someone is looking at pulses anyway, and a sequence of prime number pulses will catch their attention. That's pretty much as far as it goes.


Some things, like prime numbers, are not cultural, and are independent of how you represent them. Sure, a culture that has no interest in mathematics beyond addition won't find them. But as long as you use the concept of discrete quantities, these things show up.

how about we....as in us...all of us on this planet nut out a new language that is the base language for everyone. This would tumble a few cultual barriers and when we can all understand each other languisticly we may start to get along a bit better.
Then we can start thinking about communication with extra-terestrials.

Now to logic.

Logic is also a word to explain self preservation.
When you look at a steep muddy bank to a stream...it's logical to assume if you step over the edge you will slide down and suffer harm.
The process in the mind is called logic.
It's a logical outcome of a given set of events put into motion.
Like that Honda ad on TV. ( we in Australia have seen it..not sure about other places) anyway....it's all car parts laid out to create a domino effect. Quiet good actually.
Provided you have control of the inviroment, you can correctly predict the outcome. It is logical.