Facebook: The New Cointelpro: What Do You Mean By No Snitching?

FACEBOOK: THE NEW COINTELPRO: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY NO SNITCHING?

By: Fahim A. Knight-El

Let me start this Blog off by letting my readers know that I have received hundreds of request to join Facebook from both strangers and friends, and when I respond back and inform people that I do not have a Facebook page; thus, many seem shocked and flabbergasted often making the erroneous assumption that I am not in tuned with the age of information—Twitter, Facebook, MySpace, YouTube and the other various social network mediums being used by the globe. Some have made the argument that my Blog writings are not receiving the mass appeal because of my failure to embrace Facebook—thus they perhaps have come in contact with my Blog Keeping it Real think tank site http://fahimknightsworld.blogspot.com/20... and many can appreciate my level of research and the type of information that I cover and convey on my Blog and they think others far beyond my traditional base need to have this knowledge. I must say I am always humbled by their passion for my work.

But at same time there are still others who cannot imagine that I am not on Facebook—they often tell me everyone is on Facebook—the social networking is part of accessing and delivering information in a real time paradigm. Most people are looking to put a face with the bloggers’ information, as well as view the background of the person with whom they may enjoy reading their philosophical theories and may even share paths (also there are others looking for a negative angle and possess more of a sinister agenda and you must be aware of the two energies). The first place people ordinarily look to find background information on people is to access search engines such as Google and of course Facebook in order to locate Internet generated information on the person.

There was one Blogger named Paul Collins who has authored a number of books such as “Prescience Rendezvous”, “King without an Empire, and “Mystery of Everyman's way”. I believe Paul is from Canada and he is a member of The Daily Grail website another good alternative forum in which I have posted my work http://www.dailygrail.com/blogs/fahim-kn.... When I joined The TDG forum over three years ago, Paul emailed me after reading a few of my Blogs and I do not think Paul necessarily agreed with many of my contentions, in particular my views on the Invisible Rulers and the covert role they play in orchestrating the affairs of humanity.

This is what Paul Collins stated to me on December 24, 2007, “If a person cries out against the problem, or problems, they ARE part of the problem. I am very distrustful of politicians, or business leaders, who appoint themselves as the voices of reason. Now, Fahim Knight, if you were an elitist, would you wish to change the status quo which would endanger your present money earning ways? Of course you would not. I believe the power is within ourselves not the elitist, or in the political establishment. We can choose. We have free will. If you wish to drive a gas guzzler, you have the free will to do so. If you wish to spend your nights drinking alcohol, you have the free will to do so. The power is not with the elitists, politicians, or the media... it is with ourselves. A lot of things are illusionary these days. If a person cries out against the problem, or problems, they ARE part of the problem.“

Paul had Google searched my name looking for a picture of me and some additional background information and stated that he had searched the entire Internet and there was no picture of me and very little background information on who I was. This for the most has been intentional.

Paul in another email stated: “Fahim: I understand your point of view. These Power Elite Groups, i.e., the Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, and Bildabergers can not do whatever they want. There is a thing such as universal law. They turn against universal law, the forces of nature will turn against them and us alike. I agree that critical analysis is what helps us grow. I also agree that spiritual and internal development is lacking throughout world society. But it all does come within. At the end of this so called War on Terror, this planet will have a single world currency and uniform laws. This so called conflict is about globalism. You can't fight globalism. You can get a sign and protest all you want--globalism is here to stay. Even Canada can't remain separate from North America. It has to surrender it's identity, all in the name of globalism. I firmly expect to see Canada and the United States as one country some time in the future. That is an impossible unavoidable spectacle. This will allow the US to eventually adopt a free and universal health care system--something it lacks. Anyhow, I think this was a healthy debate. Do you surf the TDG much, or did you just come across it by happenstance? What part of the US are you based in. I looked you up in google and couldn't find much on you. Not even a picture. I never heard of you up until now.”

However, my twelve year old daughter approached me, a few weeks ago about establishing a Facebook page, thus, she stated most of her school peers had Facebook pages and this is how they communicate with each other. She then asked my wife and I would we approve of her going on Facebook. I hesitated before answering my daughter because I wanted to set some limitations and guidelines and establish some parameters prior to moving forward in this conversation, if at all we were going to allow her to have a Facebook account. Yet, I fully understand that her generation and future generations to come will be functioning side by side with technology and technological way of life will effect and perhaps impact every facet of her and their lives, as well as our lives as adults. The social networking trend or fad has captivated the imagination over half billion people and has taking the importance of the Internet medium to the next level in the lives of a very large percentage of the globe. This is truly a digital era we live in and an exciting time to be alive.

My daughter wasn’t born during the turbulent 1960s or 1970s and even now she was to young to have had heard of Cointelpro (in fact most Americans have never heard of Cointelpro), the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) counter intelligence program established by J. Edgar Hoover in the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, which was primarily aimed at black leaders and organizations. It was one of the most lethal government counter intelligence strategies and tactics of all times, which was aimed at controlling domestic rebellion and so-called subversive activity that eventually led to the assassination and imprisonment of many black activist in 1960s and 1970s who were engaged in the liberation struggle.

These brothers and sisters paid a price and many still linger in state and federal prisons across the United States and have been political prisoners for years such as Mumia Abu-Jamal (former Black Panther and Move Organization activist who has been on death row since the early 1980s for allegedly killing a Philadelphia police officer). Sundiata Shakur who was an allege Black Liberation Army (BLA) activist and Black Panther and codefendant of Assata Shakur who was alleged to have assisted in the murder of a New Jersey State Trooper in the early 1970s. Assata Shakur was falsely charged and convicted where she was sentenced to federal prison in Morgantown, West Virginia and after serving a few years she escaped and fled to Cuba where she was granted political asylum, as a U.S. political prisoner (Shakur is still considered a U.S. fugitive). The New York Panther 21 who in 1969 was charged with conspiracy to blow up the New York Botanical Gardens, department stores, etc., but were later acquitted of all charges, thus, they were targets of Cointelpro.

Cointelpro primary objective was for the disruption and ultimately dismantling the black power movement and the Civil Rights movement and their leaders. Minister Malcolm X's defection from the Nation of Islam in 1964 and the rift between him and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad was instigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation—they worked day and night to separate Minister Malcolm X from his teacher Elijah Muhammad (J. Edgar Hoover was fearful that a so-called "Black Messiah" would rise who could electrify and unify the masses). Hoover also targeted the Black Panther Party and Huey P. Newton (he was a continued victim of the U.S. Government dirty tricks) and eventually the government was behind the assassination of Mark Clark and Fred Hampton, two prominent Black Panther leaders in Chicago. The Freedom of Information Act only revealed some of the government reactionary tactics on the Panther’s leadership. Elaine Brown was exiled to France, Eldridge Cleaver exiled to Algeria before he lost his mind. Geronimo Ji-Jaga Pratt was sentenced to a long term prison sentence, which after serving 27 years was overturn (he eventually won a 4.5 million dollar civil lawsuit against the city of Los Angles and the U.S. Justice Department for false imprisonment and wrongful incarceration). But there were other nameless and faceless revolutionary freedom fighters who also were victims of Cointelpro.

The Federal Bureau of Investigation kept extensive dossiers on militant and radical black leadership what we in the movement called FBI files. The U.S. Government had hundreds of agents assigned to Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and monitored his every movement, secretly photographing him, wiretapped his phones, infiltrated his organization Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) and sent agent provocateurs to disrupt the continuity of the organization. King was under constant government surveillance.

My daughter is a lot more computer savvy than I am and even interacting in the Bloggers world I often find myself consulting my twelve year old daughter for her valuable expertise. I just read prior to writing this blog as I stated above, which is Facebook has over a half of billion people connected to this social network site and this year it even beat out Google by having more people accessing its site than any other Internet social networking medium or search engine sites.

Nevertheless, this is what bothers me about Facebook, just a few years ago as I traveled to various large metropolitan cities such as Chicago, New York, Los Angles, Charlotte, Newark, Detroit, Atlanta, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Washington, DC, etc., where I would see black youth and Hispanic youth wearing T-Shirts, which read "No Snitching". This writer must admit, I admired the symbolic rebellious message, it was a code of ethics that I am very familiar with based on my own personal up bringing living in the inner city. Thus, reading the "No Snitch" message imprinted across their chest spoke volumes to perhaps their conscious and/or subconscious awareness of the social contradictions that exist between the power apparatus—the poor and privileged (the police, probation and parole officer, U.S. Marshal's Service, DEA, judges, prosecutors, INS) and themselves.

A few months ago, the founder of Facebook Mark Zuckerberg appeared on television with Newark, New Jersey Mayor Cory Booker where he gave the city of Newark 100 million dollars, a hefty gift to a crime ridding city where murder and gang violence are the order of the day. They take the "No Snitch" code of ethics serious in this city; thus, Newark's criminal justice system and judicial systems for many years now have had difficulties getting prosecution witnesses to testify for the state, because the gangs (bloods and Crips) and drug cartels have order hits on witnesses in which many have come up dead prior to trial. We have witness high profile criminal cases get tossed because the State of New Jersey lacked sufficient evidence and witness testimony to get a conviction. The United States Justice Department was called in to monitor these high incidents of witness intimidation and murder (the witness protection program was poor and ineffective, which has led to the deaths of tens witnesses who were slated to testify in high profile criminal cases in Newark).

So this writer wondered why would Facebook founder Zuckerberg give Newark 100 million dollars? Newark has one of the worst school systems in the nation with a high dropout rate coupled by all types of social issues plaguing this inner city. I believe the state of New Jersey took over the Newark School system from under municipal city control a few years ago and 100 million dollar gift from Zuckerberg in my opinion was good faith money to instill confidence in New Jersey lawmakers and the private sector to invest in Newark and give the Council on Foreign Relations Mayor Booker a new political leash on life. Newark has over 40,000 students and an annual school budget of over $940 million dollars; moreover, in reality 100 million dollars do not put a dent into offsetting Newark’s educational expenditures. There is no doubt Mayor Booker was handpicked by a certain sector in New Jersey and he is a slave to their interest more so than to his black and Hispanic constituency. Perhaps he will use this money to create a miniature police city and impose more surveillance on the people. What’s in this deal for Facebook mogul Zuckerberg surely this act of philanthropy can not be taking on face value and perhaps there are short and long term interest connected to this deal far beyond the public relations photo opt? Why didn’t Zuckerberg build a Facebook hub in Newark where he could employee people and assist this impoverished city with their staggering high unemployment rate? This in the long run would have been a more feasible alternative to assisting New Jersey’s largest city.

The people need jobs and this would lead to a reduction in crime and at the same time raise the standard of living. May be Zuckerberg 100 million dollar investment was just another big step towards urban gentrification in Newark. Yet, as this writer scanned the many Facebook pages of friends and strangers, I was alarmed at how much people revealed about themselves relative to their personal and private lives on this public forum. People discuss their marriages, finance, legal matters, children, domestic break-ups, sexual orientation, family background, social events, employment, careers, religious orientation, politics, etc., and most of all people share their photos with friends and strangers (some post pictures of family members in which their entire family have images on the site) are we revealing to much and I am of the belief that some things just aren’t no one’s damn business.

They even communicate on Facebook about matters which in the not so distance past would have been relegated to a private telephone call. Big Brother even 30 to 40 years ago only eavesdropped and wiretapped its citizen’s telephone calls, if you were considered a dissident voice and/or was involved in a criminal enterprise. This could have led to you being a person of interest to the United States Government (this much even in 2011 has not changed). Perhaps Facebook is a big experiment, unlike any other social experiment because people are willingly and voluntarily providing Big Brother with the most intricate details of their lives. I heard syndicated talk show host Tom Joyner on the Tom Joyner Morning Show on January 5, 2011 stated that the FBI said Facebook as a so-called non-criminal justice agency had the most extensive data base in the country (this will prove to be a dangerous reality for the American people in the near future) and the FBI was subpoenaing Facebook in some particular case just recently.

Since the 911 hoax, which was a set-up and an inside job, it would be used as an infringement on the civil liberties of the American people and voluntarily caused them to surrender certain rights and freedoms while we were being duped into believing that our national security was being threatened by an external enemy. But the real intent and objective were to implement new laws and interpret existing laws to put the United States Government in a position to be all intrusive and very few would question the repressive motives of the United States Patriot Act (the U.S. Patriot Act literally took surveillance to a new level that was unprecedented in U.S. history). It removed all the legal barriers that use to exist between the state and the individual and most of all it left the U.S. Constitution naked (post 911 the constitution has become an irrelevant document) in which this silent revolution did not require one shot nor any bloodshed other than the 3,000 causalities associated with the bombing of the World Trade Center in New York. But its political, economic and social ramifications will prove to have far more implications on American history than any prior revolutions recorded in world history. The people (meaning our democracy) were overthrown as of the result of 9/11 coup d'état and it led to one of the greatest volunteer surrendering of our civil liberties. We handed the United States Government licenses to be omnipresent and all-encompassing in our lives.

The Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) has a history of using dirty tricks in which over seventy-five percent of the so-called national and international acts of terrorism are mere creations of the CIA. They went from Afghanistan to Iraq and now are using propaganda to focus the ignorant American masses attention on Imam Anwar Al-Awlaki who self-exiled to Yemen (a Yemen-American citizen who was educated in America and is probably a CIA operative he is now considered public enemy number one). The sad phenomenon is that most Americans can not locate Yemen on the map, but they have already been thoroughly convinced that Anwar Al-Awlaki is the so-called new enemy of America and the west. They used the same strategy to convince the world that Saddam Hussein of Iraq was a mad man and never told the American people that Hussein was a CIA agent and hired gun of the U.S. Government for seven years (1979-1986) an international agent provocateur.

I do not think the old way of U.S. Government spying and surveillance has become obsolete, but with the invention of Facebook, it has provided law enforcement with a wealth of information on the identity of people, the various alias they use, photos of family and friends, what city and state they live in, etc., and not to mention the incriminating chat that takes place on Facebook. Facebook is the new FBI dossier and it doesn’t require the manpower or the man hours, nor will it be met with the same public resistance of Cointelpro of the past. They have done a superb job of luring people to sleep with the whole concept of social networking and have relaxed the Sheeple so much that they are enjoying and having fun in their own demise. This doesn’t require coercion or interrogation (that was once associated with KGB, Mossad, CIA, etc.) and a covert government plot to accumulate or access intimate files on American citizens in particular and citizens throughout the world in general (not to suggest that the old mode of acquiring intelligence has outlived its usefulness). The people have become so dumb down that they are voluntarily providing law enforcement with massive data under the guise of social networking.

Perhaps twenty or thirty years from now Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg will reveal that he and his Facebook enterprise was a United States Justice Department and Homeland Security covert operation established to gather national and international information on world society (now looking at this phenomenon from another perspective may be Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, Raul Castro of Cuba, Kim Jong-il of North Korea, etc., have banned the devil with good cause and keeping their societies away from this master espionage plan called Facebook), which was being stored in a data base sitting readily to be access if need be by American Gestapo forces and their operatives.

When it is all said and done, it must be viewed that we voluntarily surrendered what little freedoms we still had left and just what if Facebook was an espionage operation. Some may view this article as one who is overly paranoid and even draw the conclusion that I have overreacted based on the analysis that I have presented relative to my opinion of Facebook. Mark Zuckerberg the Harvard dropout has to be a genius he has become a billionaire who organized a system whereby people globally can share information and no doubt Facebook is to be reckon with in the market place. President Barack Obama would not have become president if was not for him and his campaign utilizing the social network mediums and capitalizing off of an untapped voting bloc, which was young voters and it was this sector that helped carry him in the 2008 presidential election. Yet I still do not trust Facebook.

Fahim A. Knight-El Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of goodwill, of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolism and reinterpreted the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlightened world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight-EL can be reached at fahimknight@ yahoo.com.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-El

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Live's picture
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Very good, Fahim! I'm finding your blog entries more and more interesting as time goes on. I too am not a fan of Facebook, in fact I'm scared of it for pretty much the exact reasons you listed. I had a profile for a little while and my experience with it was shaky, for example...

What do you post as a status update? It can be anything that comes to mind.
Why does it keep telling me who I should add to my friends list? They are not my friends if I haven't befriended them already, in other words... leave me alone!
Why do I want to reveal details of my life when my friends already know about them? Who the fuck knows.

It doesn't matter how it started, it doesn't matter who made it, it doesn't matter where it came from, what matters is what people are doing with it. Like what Paul mentioned up there, about people making problems themselves, also to add to that, education is the fundamental role to what was being pointed out there(or the lack thereof). Which I agree with.

One last thing, for the upcoming generation or as I would call it the ADD generation, these social networking sites to them have become so en-grained, so intertwined with everything, i.e., befriend *insert company* and get a free milkshake, or "comment on our page and we will do something", that it will be near impossible to get rid of Facebook. I mean seriously, Fahim, they made a damn movie of it and as I've heard, wasn't at all that accurate!

Sometimes we get what we need instead of what we want.

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Nothing on earth or beyond would persuade me to join Facebook or any of the other social networking sites. To me they are just massive data banks, voluntarily contributed to by thoughtlessly stupid people, which could be used or abused by whomever took a fancy to do so.

Regards Kathrinn

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http://youropenbook.org/

Strange site, I think it let's you search anyones status updates.

http://www.businessinsider.com/well-thes...

This is an article that is on the frontpage of that site.

Sometimes we get what we need instead of what we want.

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Live and Kathrinn thank you for your comments. I had been thinking about this Facebook thing for a few years now (and I finally sat down over the Christmas break to gather my thoughts and write this Blog). I just can not see providing so much private information in the name of social networking. I believe Mark Zuckerberg has done what most repressive governments have not been able to do, which is to convince people to voluntarily create a massive data base on themselves. This much to me is very scary and alarming.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-El

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NEW PHOENIX COINTELPRO

I THINK THE PENTAGON OR SOMEONE IS PAYING PEOPLE TO PUT OUT BOGUS STORIES ABOUT COINTELPRO BEING IN THE PAST, COINTELPRO IS VERY MUCH ALIVE TODAY, IN FACT IT IS TEN TIMES WORSE AND TEN TIMES MORE DESTRUCTIVE. NOW THEY HAVE THE MILITARY AND INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES VERY MUCH INVOLVED USING MILITARY SATELLITES TO TRACK AND MONITOR A PERSONS EVERY MOVE YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO PRIVACY WHATSOEVER, THEY EVEN WATCH ME IN MY BEDROOM, THEY ARE SICK PIGS AND NEED TO BE EXPOSED NOW. ALL MY COMMUNICATIONS ARE MONITORED WITH ABSOLUTELY NO TRIAL, JURY OR JUDGE, THEY DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. I'M GANG STALKED AND TEERRORIZED DAILY, TRACKED AND HARASSED BY THE POLICE WITH SATELLITES. THEY GET TO MY EMPLOYERS, NEIGHBORS, DOCTORS, ANYONE WHO CAN HELP ME. AND THEN THEY USE DIRECTED ENERGY WEAPONS TO POISON ME AND BRING MORE TEERROR INTO MY LIFE. THIS IS AMERICA QUIT THE PAST GARBAGE! JUST WATCH MY VIDEOS!

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WE NEED NULLIFICATION NOW TO REGAIN OUR COUNTRY FROM THESE TYRANNICAL FREAKS WHO HAVE TAKEN OVER AMERICA AND WANT TO USHER IN THEIR ILLUMINATI NWO INSANITY. I NEED HELP! IF ANYBODY GIVES A DAMN IN THIS WORLD. I'M WRITING A BOOK ABOUT THIS INSANITY IF ANY TI's KNOW OF ANY PERPS WHO WOULD LIKE TO GIVE ME INFORMATION OR TI's THEMSELVES PLEASE CONTACT ME, WE MUST EXPOSE THEM! I MAY HAVE EVEN BEEN SECRETLY MICRO-CHIPPED AGAINST MY WILL. YOU ARE ALL GREAT AT WRITING ABOUT THE PROBLEM BUT I DON'T SEE ANYONE DOING ANYTHING ABOUT THIS HOLOCAUST.

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I heard syndicated talk show host Tom Joyner on the Tom Joyner Morning Show on January 5, 2011 stated that the FBI said Facebook as a so-called non-criminal justice agency had the most extensive data base in the country (this will prove to be a dangerous reality for the American people in the near future) and the FBI was subpoenaing Facebook in some particular case just recently.

A few months ago I would have dismissed your fears as mere conspiracy-based paranoia —TDG members are aware I don't share many of your fears concerning secret cabalas and what-not.

However, I do find interesting that the Time's article about Zuckerber becoming "Man of the Year" happened to have this paragraph:

The door opened, and a distinguished-looking gray-haired man burst in — it's the only way to describe his entrance — trailed by a couple of deputies. He was both the oldest person in the room by 20 years and the only one wearing a suit. He was in the building, he explained with the delighted air of a man about to secure ironclad bragging rights forever, and he just had to stop in and introduce himself to Zuckerberg: Robert Mueller, director of the FBI, pleased to meet you. [emphasis mine]

They shook hands and chatted about nothing for a couple of minutes, and then Mueller left. There was a giddy silence while everybody just looked at one another as if to say, What the hell just happened?

Is Zuckerberg a covert agent for the National Security State? Highly unlikely. But that doesn't mean intelligence agencies would want to pass out such a juicy opportunity of gathering valuable information from the social networks that people are willingly uploading by the minute.

That said, I confess I'm ambivalent about Facebook. So far I've refused to have a Facebook account, or a Twitter account for that matter; although the original reasons for this were not really based on concerns about privacy. The reasons were more simple: I'm so immersed on the interwebz as it is right now, that enrolling in yet another type of social network would be highly detrimental to my daily routine —I've joked on several occasions that if I joined Twitter, as might as well stick to my forehead an LCD screen with crazy glue, and forget about meatspace altogether ;)

I admit I'm concerned about privacy issues on the net, but on the other hand, after reading the NYT's article I linked to yesterday —concerning the implications of our physical deaths on cyberspace— that I do want people to remember me for my "digital legacy" as it were. It's a bit ironic being concerned about sharing photographs of yourself with the whole world, when some of the things one gets to write on blogs and comments are so intimate that not even our family members know about it —sharing your pics, or sharing your dreams, which one is worse?

We should also consider that "human values" are pretty flexible and change from culture to culture, and from era to era. Maybe our disgust with the way younger generations are so open about the most intimate aspects of their lives is comparable to the disgust our ancestors would have with us if they found out we don't know how to hunt, or that many of us don't own a weapon.

To end this comment, I should like to add that one of my favorite speculations concerning the (in)famous 2012 prophecy, is that we might find ourselves waking up on December 22 of that year finding out we can "hear" each other's thoughts. Imagine a world where we wouldn't be able to hide our REAL intentions and thoughts from our friends, spouses or other people we interact with. imagine it: a world without lies! That would surely be the end of our civilization as we know it.

Maybe —just maybe— we don't need to grow psychic powers to do that.

Maybe all we have to do is have a Facebook account?

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

Red Pill Junkie
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Live's picture
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Great comment! SO glad to read that after that one before yours XD Is it loud in here? LOL

Sometimes we get what we need instead of what we want.

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The Philosophers Stone, is a metaphor. 7 stages of what some people consider the perfection of human beings.

They begin with lead, and manipulate it through 7 stages and then they considered it "gold".

In my opinion this idea is expressed through the olympic symbol the 5 rings((the fifth ring is blue, for water?)) (5 mayan ages?). Also the last olympic logo had the word zion, and the next one in 2012 also says zion.

"The Stone was the central symbol of the mystical terminology of alchemy, symbolizing perfection, enlightenment, and heavenly bliss. The discovery of the philosopher's stone was known as the Great Work."

1.^ Heindel, Max, Freemasonry and Catholicism, ISBN 0-911274-04-9

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosopher's_stone

The same great work that Albert Pike talked about?

"See, I lay a stone in Zion, a chosen and precious cornerstone, and the one who trusts in him will never be put to shame." Now to you who believe, this stone is precious. But to those who do not believe, "The stone the builders rejected has become the capstone," and, "A stone that causes men to stumble and a rock that makes them fall." They stumble because they disobey the message—which is also what they were destined for. - 1 Peter 2: 6-8"

London 2012 7/7 Olympics Sacrifice Ritual

http://philosophers-stone.co.uk/wordpres...

"The 2012 Summer Olympic Games, officially known as the Games of the XXX Olympiad,"

"’XXX’ is ‘666’, the so-called 'Mark of the Beast', in Pythagorean Numerology.

Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or on the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let him who has understanding reckon the number of the beast, for it is a human number, its number is six hundred and sixty-six. -Revelation 13:16-18 "

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thre...

NATO killed 24 people in Haiti, on 6/7 in a place called port au prince,Cite Soleil/Sun city,Haiti which has a uncapped pyramid with a olympic torch in place of the capstone.

The prince(s) and sacrificed KINGS vs the beast, who has come to take their crowns...

In revelations it says "King James Bible: 4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,"

"King James Bible
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals."

Next comes seven vials, which makes 7/7.

They were killed and made to bow on 6/7 for the beast.

http://theopenscroll.com/images/olympics...

"Brazil Shows Backbone: A NarcoNews Article"

By Keith Yearman ,
Posted on Sun Jun 24th, 2007 at 09:01:08 PM EST

"While the world's attention was focused on the London subway bombings in July 2005, Brazilian soldiers with the United Nations Stabilization Mission in Haiti (MINUSTAH) was busy wreaking havoc on the city of Cite Soleil. The assault on the city resulted in numerous civilian deaths, although the exact number remains a source of controversy. Now, one year after the massacre, the State Department has released several cables surrounding the Cite Soleil massacre. These heavily-excised documents, requested under the Freedom of Information Act, suggest Cite Soleil was to be the target of at least one more assault. Additionally, they raise the question as to whether United Nations forces knew their actions on July 6 would result in heavy civilian casualties. Cite Soleil had been under UN attack for the months preceding the massacre. Dread Wilme, the primary target of the July 6 mission, was named a “gang leader” by the US government, the Haitian regime and the United Nations. On April 4, 2005 Wilme gave an interview with New York's Haitian radio station Lakou in which he described MINUSTAH's attacks on the city:

“MINUSTAH has been shooting tear gas on the people. There are children who have died from the gas and some people inside churches have been shot. The Red Cross was with us. The Red Cross was just here and might have just gone on to pick up more children and adults who have gotten shot. The Red Cross is the only one helping us. The MINUSTAH soldiers remain hidden in their tanks and just aim their guns and shoot the people. They shoot people selling in the streets. They shoot people just walking in the streets. They shoot people sitting and selling in the marketplace."

"Wilme, the primary target of the July 6 mission, was named a “gang leader” by the US government, the Haitian regime and the United Nations."

Its only a matter of time before they label everybody "gang leaders", and the death and destruction is then considered "collateral damage".

The UN/NATO "peacekeepers"?

The new world order beast machine at work.

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to me, facebook allows me to interact with my children over a great distance on a regular basis. Also lets me keep up with their lives.

I don't put anything on facebook that I would rather not have the world looking at. The privacy settings are very good and easy to use. Yes, I know these can be cracked or hacked but again, the information on your facebook account is only the information you have put there. So limit what you put and there is no problem.

Fear is a tool of the ruling elite, so there is no need for fear associated with these social networks.
Again I will say, you only put the information that you are willing to share.

A matter of choice.

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Thefloppy1, as much as I can appreciate your comments on a personal level, but lets not get it confused or twisted, which is I do not think the Sheeple has demonstrated the ability to responsibly exercise the type of personal will power and decision making that you are talking about.

David Icke Stated: "The human mind is the 'stadium' in which the global conspiracy is being played out minute by minute every day. That's the biggest prize of all for the Control System - to dictate what we think and so how we behave and perceive self and the world."

"Yes, you can control people physically in some situations if you have enough uniforms to do so, but you can't do that en masse because of the fantastic inequity in numbers between oppressor and oppressed. For the ultimate human control you need mind control."

"There are so many ways that this is being done today and conscious awareness of that is the most effective defense from these external influences targeting the individual and collective psyche ..."

What gives the Hidden Hand and the Invisible Rulers power and authority over humanity is their ability to implore various strategies and tactics such as subliminal seduction. The dumbing down process in reality is so overwhelming and yet we have "Freewill", we are active participants in our own duping and very few have demonstrated the intelligence or discipline to exercise the type of will that could have halted this neo-servitude status in which we find presently confronting all of humanity.

I do not think the freewill theory hold up when you look historically and presently at humanity's active participation in their own demise (yes we have choices, but even the choices have systematically been arranged where the outcome is already predetermined to benefit the status quo often to the detriment of the individual) . I know people have the right to exercise freewill, but that doesn't mean they even understand some of the choices and decisions that they make.

I also, know that you are very informed individual based on the various dialogues that you and I have had on the TDG forum, but being informed (is not a light weight disposition) is not the rule, but the exception to the rule.

Perhaps the largest population who is engaged in the social network site of Facebook is between the ages of 12-30 (they have not acquired enough life experience and have not studied alternative perspectives to even know that covert danger could be lurking under the guise of Facebook and social networking).

I just do not know if they understand the principles associated with freewill versus naively and innocently dispersing personal and private information with little understanding of the possible negative backlash or consequences. Many full aged adults can not adequately and responsible arrive at a happy medium relative to how much information should be shared on a public social networking forum.

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Fahim, I do know exactly what you are referring to. I use facebook for the reasons I stated in my comment. I also understand all the dangers accociated with it for the uninformed or trusting person.

Like the Matrix, when one is in the game the only advantage one has is knowledge of all the rules and who is manipulating the outcome.

Allowing your child to have a facebook account so she does not become a social outcast can only be a good thing, provided she understands the rules of the game.

It's the knowing of the manipulation that sets you free of it. There is barely a waking moment when manipulation is not taking place. I have informed my daughter, the only child of mine to listen, that all she hear's and see's on TV and radio is not the truth. She has an understanding of this now and this has let her enjoy certain freedom that her friends don't. Albeit in her mind and not a physical freedom. But that is the only real freedom we can enjoy in this controlled world.

I believe you are correct and I know most people have a very naive understanding of social networks.
There will be collateral damage before people wake up to the reality of the global control mechanism.

Until then, these networks are a tool for the controllers as much as a tool for the de-programmers.
Planting the seed to millions is easy with these networks and as such are a valuable tool to prevent the overall blindness of the people.

The mind will swing to the truth must faster then it will hang onto lies. We have seen this with the failure of the "global warming" campaign. Many of the falsehoods of the controlling elite have tumbled down in the last few years and the momentum is growing.

When people realise that they can no longer trust their governments protection agencies with their personal information on any global format, then the start of the global revolution will begin.

Until then I watch the beast closely and inform as many as will listen. The tower made of cards will fall and fall hard.

My comments about facebook are my own and I was not trying to stand up for it or any other social network. I just believe they are not a bad thing when used with the knowledge of their capability.
If you were to inform your daughter of the dangers then I see no reason why she should not be able to participate.

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I agree with you that, knowing how to use the social networks, they can be a great asset.

One question for you: have you befriended your own daughter on Facebook?

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RPJ, I assume you mean being a "friend" on facebook. To interact with a person you need to be friends. You can send messages to a person who is not a friend but only via private inbox.

The news feed is a constant update of any friend that has updated on facebook. This feed you have access to and you can, if you wish, comment on their comments or status anytime.

My daughter is listed as "daughter" on my profile. I can choose whether people see this or not.
I have all my sercurity settings at friends only. So only people I accept as a friend can access any of my information.

My daughter can send me a private inbox or an open message to me anytime. But only my friends can see the open message and only I can see the inbox message.

Hope this answers your question RPJ....

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The reason i asked is because I have read many accounts of parents that start "befriending" their own children on Facebook, and end up shocked about all the personal info they get to learn.

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....that can happen. It's not the personal info that is the problem, it's the interaction with their friends thats shocking.
I had an episode about 3 weeks ago with my daughter. That was over what I believed to be inappropiate.
They have a running conversation with their friends and it's sorta like eves dropping but you get to read the whole thing. Teenage conversations with each other is best left alone.
I can choose to not have my daughters news feed updates and this makes it a lot better for me and her.

But again, this is a simple understanding of how the network works. I think these younger people forget that all friends see this not just the one's they are interacting with at that moment.

It can be dangerous when they forget this.

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Not only do they forget that what they say in these messages is sent to everyone in their group of friends, it is also recorded for posterity. For example the posterity 3 minutes later that directs advertisements their way, tailored to what they are talking about in "private" with their 800 closest friends.

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I think the visible evidence relative to Facebook is clear; people are divulging huge amounts of information about themselves on this public social networking forum. I do not think that point can be argued and whether or not Zuckerberg could be covertly working in the interest of the intelligence community at the moment this point is, perhaps debatable, but Red Pill quoting the New York Times article raise a very interesting thought:

"The door opened, and a distinguished-looking gray-haired man burst in — it's the only way to describe his entrance — trailed by a couple of deputies. He was both the oldest person in the room by 20 years and the only one wearing a suit. He was in the building, he explained with the delighted air of a man about to secure ironclad bragging rights forever, and he just had to stop in and introduce himself to Zuckerberg: Robert Mueller, director of the FBI, pleased to meet you." [emphasis mine]

"They shook hands and chatted about nothing for a couple of minutes, and then Mueller left. There was a giddy silence while everybody just looked at one another as if to say, What the hell just happened?"

I think this gesture or non-gesture spoke volumes relative to FBI director Robert Mueller coming to visit Mark Zuckerberg CEO of Facebook. Thus, to me the visit could have implied that thanks to you and Facebook intelligence gathering on people have become easier and accessible. The masses have been made blind, deaf and dumb; many are having fun and do not have a clue that they could be contributing to a covert government espionage operation, which the collection of this massive data will eventually be used against them by the government.

I do not think we can overlook the sinister reality of Cointelpro (FBI counterintelligence program) as something of the past. I am providing the forum with the Wikipedia link defining and explaining Cointelpro: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO. I have actual copies of FBI documents (thanks to the Freedom of Information Act) and books of the United States Government detailing how our government illegally spied, illegally wiretapped, printed false stories in newspapers, planted agent provocateurs in leftwing and rightwing organizations, staged assassinations, created internal confusion in organizations, etc.

Facebook in my opinion is a social experiment whereas people are voluntarily providing the government with their own personal dossiers (in this manner there are no compromises relative to the question of civil liberties or constitutional rights).

Although, people have choices (I think this term has been deduced to a cliché), but they are not able to combat the propaganda and disinformation campaigns and therefore, we are constantly made pawns in the game. So, I do not trust Facebook and no one can convince me that 12-30 age groups are responsibly posting and they understand all the legal and technical ramifications that could come in the play. Big Brother is no longer watching us; he has been given a formal invite and received and accepted as a Facebook "friend" just click and accept. Moreover, and start sharing.

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We can consider the stated or obvious intentions of the keepers of the shared data spaces. We can also speculate about who is behind these keepers, and what their intentions really are.

My point is that, to a large degree, these intentions are irrelevant. The shared data are stored for an unknown duration of time, we the users have no way of knowing who will get access in the future. They current keepers of the shared data have no way of knowing.

This has consequences other than just considering evil opponents who are out to harm the individual users.

For example, when you write for a small group (or for one person), your message will often be expressed in a context known only to that small group, at that time. The same message can take on a completely different meaning for other groups at other times.

This is all reasonably obvious - but can you expect a billion smart phone users to act on the reasonably obvious?

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The FBI, law enforcement and the judicial systems are not waiting to ascertain and utilize this valuable and massive collection of date for future purposes (this strategy and tactic is taking place in real time). There have been various criminal cases in the United States where Facebook accounts and information have been subpoena into a court of law and acquired information has been used by the government. I have law enforcement friends and they tell me larger police departments have cyberspace task forces who principle responsibility and duty is monitoring the social networking sites. Why wouldn't they be interested in this massive data base and the wealth of personal and private information being shared?

What makes Facebook and social networking sites valuable to the law enforcement community is that this information is not part of a hardcore surveillance operation, but it is unsolicited information, which is voluntarily being given by Facebook users. Thus, ranging from photos (valuable identification of persons who might one day be persons of interest) and based on your friends acceptance data that you have provided perhaps various links to people who know you and visa versa (of course most friends we accept on Facebook doesn't fit into that category—they are cyberspace strangers), we provide in other instances some of most intricate details about every aspect of our personal lives, who we are connected to in various locations and capacities, who our employer may be, what gangs, social clubs and civic organizations we may belong, who we are disputing with, etc., are routinely entered on people's Facebook pages. People who are in domestic disputes are hiring cyberspace private investigators to find and locate incriminating data against spouses. No, this isn’t data that is waiting for some future misuse or perhaps waiting to fall in the wrong person’s hands, it is too beneficial in the here and now.

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As I wrote two or three posts ago in this thread, the future can be as far away as a few minutes :)

The risk isn't the good or bad intentions of those who the user contracts to keep the data. The risk is that the data are really attractive for many people, including those who would use them against the original users.

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Many of us who tend to be idealists used (or still use) to think that the Internet and modern technology would turn the concept of the Nation-State obsolete.

The number of people who are members of Facebook are so vast that one could argue Facebook has become a nation of sorts, unconstrained by geographical boundaries.

However, one of the key characteristics of a nation-state, which Facebook sorely lacks, is the will to defend its citizens against a foreign or domestic threat.

I don't know about domestic threats, but every time I see Facebook diligently handing down private information about its users/citizens to the FBI or other agency, it shows that we still have a long way to go before seeing the true dawn of the virtual nation.

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earthling wrote:

As I wrote two or three posts ago in this thread, the future can be as far away as a few minutes :)

The risk isn't the good or bad intentions of those who the user contracts to keep the data. The risk is that the data are really attractive for many people, including those who would use them against the original users.

Now, following your logic, why should people continue down this path even in your flip-flop analysis or scenario knowing these risk and possibilities exist? We are not talking about the data being attracted by many people (who do you suspect these future people to be?), but the specification we cited is law enforcement interest in the data is already a proven reality and can we trust the integrity of Facebook to ensure the personal security (of users) of all accumulated and stored data will be handled with the highest level of privacy and protection (I wouldn't count on that if I were you). They can not guarantee this because of the massive executive orders established pursuant to the 9/11 hoax and long arm of the United States Patriot Act, which renders Facebook and all other social networking sites legally vulnerable, as well as the American people.

Moreover, we are being duped into social networking and socially snitching on ourselves and others with the covert beneficiary being the various intelligence agencies (they are licking their chops). I am not bit concern in the long run about unsolicited advertisers and creditors (creditors have been selling you and I as debt assets/liability to lenders and financial buyers for a very long time in a credit based system these scams aren't anything new) might attain this data, but how law enforcement could use this data is very bothersome to me and others.

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Man you are hearing things - I'm not disagreeing with the core of the argument here, nor is anyone else that I noticed.

I have pointed out here in this thread, and in many others, that people are voluntarily setting themselves up for abuse. They give away their private data, quite happily, so that they can be entertained.

Then these same people are surprised when someone else uses this information.

All I am saying that it doesn't matter if there is someone behind it, with bad intentions, when they sign up. When giving away personal data, they might as well assume that it will be in the hands of others, other than then intended recipients. Sometimes this can take years and court orders, sometimes if can happen in minutes. With conspirators and without.

Many people don't want to hear this: everything you say in e-mail, on Facebook on on Twitter is published information, for all practical purposes.

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earthling wrote:

"All I am saying that it doesn't matter if there is someone behind it, with bad intentions,"

This is where we still disagree; it does matter, if there is an agency or entity lurking with bad intentions and is looking to misuse the Facebook data for sinister purposes. I would want to know who this agency or individuals may be because, if it is advertisers who paid for the data (legal or illegal) and is looking to solicited me unwarranted advertisement I might not find that as being dangerously intrusive as I would knowing that law enforcement or some intelligence agency are using the same Facebook data to create intelligence profiles on its citizens. I am not arguing against that people are voluntarily submitting this information (and this at the root of the problem—this much I agree wholeheartedly), but the sheep doesn't know any better.

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Fahim, I think what earthling is saying, is that it wouldn't really matter if Alexander Graham Bell received any funding or sponsorship from the US government in order to invent the telephone. The fact remains that Bell invented it, with the best of intentions toward the benefit of humankind one presumes, and that later on the FBI found it was very useful for their work to tap into the conversations of private citizens.

Same think with Facebook, Twitter and whatever other interestingly time-wasting ways to stay connected with your social group will emerge in the future —I'm rooting for Mweeter(TM) or Mental Twitter, which I foresee will be the preferred form of communication in 2025 (you read it here first!).

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Fahim, the problem is not as bad as you see it - it is worse.

Perhaps there is a conspirary as you say is possible or likely. I am saying if there isn't one now, there will be one. At least one.

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These secret motivated groups or individuals can appear in society as some formal organizational entities or as some loose social order, which both mindsets share agendas of creating a pretext for the truth in order to maintain influence and prerogative over those who have been duped. The only obvious difference, is one may be formal and other informal in their internal and external workings but the ultimate objective is the same. There is one central theme that drives the conspirators, which is cloaking the truth by any means necessary and never revealing some of the diabolical schemes to the uninformed masses. In this world, perception means everything and reality means absolutely nothing. We have been conditioned to take things at face value and are frowned upon for raising the essential questions of how, where, when, who, why and most of what if?

The conspiracy theorist for raising these questions will be quickly labeled insane, irrational, kooky and often dismissed as a lunatic that is psychologically deranged. These false characterizations are done to further lure an unassuming public to sleep and the active and/or latent conspirators are allowed to further hide without any real public scrutiny or ideological challenge. Many do not believe that there are some invisible forces (historical and present) shielded behind many barriers of deceptions that have had a hidden hand in defining history and altering history with a motive of forever distancing themselves from the reality of the masses, yet influencing and dictating their enslavement.

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I look at this particular issue from the point of view of the communications system. Email, Facebook, twitter, blogs.

These systems have inherent security properties. For this point of view it doesn't matter if there is a conspiracy or not, it only relates to how secure these systems are.

And the simple conclusion is that these systems are not secure in the least.

That's all there is to it.

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Sometimes it's not a matter of a carefully planned conspiracy.

Sometimes it's a matter of people taking advantage of someone else's sloppiness, and carelessness.

IMO I doubt Zuckerberg ever got to consider just how big his little project would get. had he, maybe he would have tried to tighten up the privacy measures to protect his "friends".

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that it matters not what information "they" or any other agencies have. If the information is needed, they will get.
The cell behind the agenda is many layers deep and the time frame of completion is irrelevent. In a way the agenda has already been reached and it's really a matter of maintaining this.

The one's aware of this are a small group, maybe less then 500,000 individuals but it is these that are constantly monitored. Whether their on facebook or any other social network is irrelevent. The only information required is the knowledge of their existence and knowing they know the truth.

The mind manipulation is so powerful that otherwise intelligent, open minded people refuse to see or admitt that they have been conned and lulled into a false sence of reality.

It has taken myself 15 years to piece together this puzzle. I still have a couple of pieces missing but the evidence of a complete world take over is overwhelming. It frustrates me alot but I have now understood that subtle messages are the best way to enlighten people. Once you get people to think of the possibility they then start seeing the reality. Not all but enough for a slow momentum to start.

Once the grip on control starts weakening, it is easy to spot the extreme measures taken to retighten the grip of control. These measures are usally in two formats, one of entertainment and the other of disaster. It's the timing of these measures that make them obvious to the knowing person.

So everyone is in this whether they are a willing participant or not. From my stand point now, I would say that it will be over 100 hundred years before people become any threat to the controllers.

Until then, enjoy your percieved freedom and the few who know may enjoy real freedom albeit confined to their minds.

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Maybe in the end we get the Internet (and the planet) that we deserve.

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without us knowing what we don't want it would be hard for us to know what we want.

Look to history, when enough are sick of certain ways of life they rebel and change it for the better of all. Their has always been controllers in one form or another. These have been overthrown and a better way has taken their place.

In some cases hundreds of years went by before the way was changed.

Things are always going to get better but the changes won't come until the people see that they are being decieved and need to stand up and change it. The economic structure of society can not be sustained for ever. When the last of the poverty countries have been used up as cheap labour and testing grounds and they then demand their equal rights on the planet, what then.
We can affored LCD's and computers because of cheap labour. When the people making these things start earning hourly wages like here in Australia and maybe even where you are, who will be able to afford these things any more.
It is non-sustainable, it will have an ending. What do you think will take it's place?

By then we hope enough people are convinced of the manipulations that the change will be our doing and not just another direction of the controllers. This leading to another cycle of manipulation.

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Truth has the ability to alter the balance of power by eliminating and/or isolating and uprooting past agreed truths that were formulated as false control mechanisms to shield evidence that might-be pointing to the contrary. It almost becomes sinister and borders on being treasonous to offer or suggest a point of view, opposite of the one being advocated by the status quo. The status quo has the masses of the global population conditioned that oftentimes they do not even have to defend their contentions. Moreover, those who are being deceived by the conspirators will often run to the defense of the conspirator and serve in opposition to anyone attempting to expose their chicanery.

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Yes. Agreed. FB has made it childishly easy to gather infoemation on Citizens;that i do acknowledge, and am now wondering about my Fb activity, which had morphed into a Black Conscious arena. Though I feel that generally, privacy is 'out the window' with satellites looming ahead; but in terms of pinpointing potential problem makers and plotting thought-action trends of citizens, as well as shock testing and thus calibrating population reaction...yes FB has upped the game that general internet usage has been able to allow. I am however happy for the ability to reach others more easily with vital knowledge that needs to be circulated, and, though at the expense of my anonymity, I think FB has provided a convenient tool for this.
I happen to feel that the internet on a whole has taken things to a deeper level, in that, especially when interacting with FB for extended periods of time, you begin to feel that you are wired in to it and that it can at times read your mind. I know the internet most definitely can, as it has been said that computers have become sophisticated enough to read auras. Read an aura, with skill, read a Mind....so...I think we well know that something deeper is behind this Global linkup besides simply the exchange of knowledge. BUT. Nothing beats Knowing and trusting in the Most Ultimate Technology...Human Technology...and I underline that with the suffix Black Human Technology. SoOO...on verra...we shall see!
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What better way to compile profiles on citizens than to let them use a self-reporting tool.

I have seen a couple of flow charts out there somewhere which demonstrated that 2 of the upper-tier venture capitalists which helped with the initial funding of facebook are also upper-tier In-Q-tel....

I don't doubt it one damn bit. It didn't even surprise me.

In fact it would be pretty stupid to believe that a government which (thanks to the patriot act and several executive orders) surveils its own citizens whenever it so chooses wouldn't use a such an obvious domestic surveillance tool.

If anything I have read about the Threat Fusion Centers is accurate, then I am sure that Facebook is one of their go-to guys for creating a profile on somebody.

So use it at your own risk. I have had some regrets about ever creating a facebook profile for myself.

Also, some ancillary evidence for proof of use by law enforcement....

My 12 year old daughter and step-daughter were gotten so high they were basically incapacitated, and then taken advantage of by some 15 and 16 year old boys from a town 20 miles away. They didn't even know their last names. With the assistance of Facebook, and less than 10 minutes, I was able to figure out who they were, and gain access to their profiles that are available to their friends.... take screenshots of the profiles, and save the jpegs on a thumbdrive, which I had in hand when I went to the police station.

The police seemed impressed and thanked me for my research..... and then proceeded to do absolutely nothing whatsoever about the entire situation.... even though there were text msg confessions and all kinds of evidence aside from what I provided.

I say that to say this..... anyone can use the data on facebook for whatever suits their purpose...

Props to the Canyon, Texas police department for doing absolutely nothing about my daughters right to have her rapist prosecuted..... 'protect and serve' my ass...

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I'm so sorry for what happened to your daughters. Here in Mexico there have been cases where the law has done absolutely nothing, and it's the citizens who had to take the matter into their own hands.

Now I'm not talking about vigilante shit of going with a shotgun and make a birdnest hole inside those scumbags' chests; I'm talkin the kind of thing you already did: gather the data for yourself, and then expose it all through the local or national media --in other words, embarrass the police so much they will have no choice but to do their job to save face.

Of course none of that would repair the awful damage your daughters already suffered, but it would at least prevent other innocent women from going through that horrible experience.

Saludos.

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as a father of 3 beautiful daughters, I could imagine how you must feel. But not completely.

Slander is only slander when it has been proven to be not true.

I'm sure you could think of some creative way to use this social medium to your advantage.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
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Having recently become a member of the orgonite "gifting" community I have been treated in spades to the specatcle of people getting very paranoid for good and bad reasons. Paranoia reminds me of the definition of genius always teetering on the edge of insanity. It takes a very balanced individual to determine whether or not there is subtle harrassment going on or not. Often just one episode of genuine "street stalking" is enough to convert most people to being full time paranoiacs, and as crippling as full time paranoia can be psychologically the people who stalk and harrass delight in the large return they often get on a small initial investment of manpower and time.
Some ogonite gifters have had genuine episodes of stalking and harassment. The most sane approach to take is that though you are being watched and followed at times you have no real way of determining just exactly when, and since most of the ops are just psyops they don't really accomplish anything of substance anyway, so why get all worked up about it? It is only when they start hacking your bank account and sending doctored photos of you in the arms of someone not your spouse that you need to be conscerned. Otherwise, the stalking doesn't amount to anything and can be ingnored. It is the ignoring part that can be so difficult for some people. People of strong will and high moral ideals are precisley the people most prone to getting their feelings hurt when they are harrassed, and these are also the people most likely to be involved in things inimical to the "control" people. That is just how it is. There are online forums for nearly every kind of idealistic group out there, and these forums are often preoccupied with just offering psychotherapy to their members and trying to get them to quit obssessing about stalking.

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And as a followup to the larger topic here, it is futile to wring our hands over the subject of "privacy." That train left the staion long ago, and even if we legislated to reign in the surveillance state there would be endless ways for the so called "elites" to work around the law. This stuff is by its very nature stealthy and that means it can be implemented without many people knowing about it. I still think that these surveillance states are ulitimately doomed. They have a poor track record of lasting very long, and their own paranoia is often their own undoing. The eat themselves from the inside out. That said, they can do a a hell of a lot of damage while they are still around and hurt many people.
One of the most insidious programs out there is the use of cell phone towers for electronic harrassment using ELF. There is plenty of evidence that these towers are more than just communications infrastructure, and they are the sweetest deal out there for control structures because the cover story for their erection everywhere sounds so reasonable. Everyone need a good cell phone signal - right? It is incredibly easy to piggyback electronic harrassment and electronic control procedures onto the other cell tower waveforms. In a city of rioting people if the there were enough cell towers gridding the city the entire populace and the animal populace too for that matter could be pacified, distracted, or made temprarily nuts by coordinated ELF emissions. The good thing about this is that this sort of stuff can be monitored by a concerned populace with some very simple commonly available measuring instruments, so unlike a satellite which sits off there way above at least the cell tower ploy can be recognized and kept track of. An array of cell towers triangulaing amongst themselves is an amazingly powerful technology for doing all sorts of things, and the damn things are everywhere now. It may be the biggest elephant in our living rooms at the moment.

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In a city of rioting people if the there were enough cell towers gridding the city the entire populace and the animal populace too for that matter could be pacified, distracted, or made temprarily nuts by coordinated ELF emissions.

If that is the case, then why is it that the first thing an authoritative regime does when facing public riots —e.g. Egypt— is switch off the Internet and the cell phone services?

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It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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I haven't the slightest idea whether or not Cairo has such an ELF network in place. Understand also that switching off the cell phone frequencies does not render the emitters on the towers dead. They can be used for a variety of radiations. Turning off the cell phone bands has no bearing on the other bands. I don't know what you mean by the internet reference. That is not part of the potential ELF network. I might also mention that the theory behind using ELF psychotronically does not necessarily postulate that it has been used yet - only that it could be used in a true national emergency.

A very striking thing we notice when "treating" a home for electrostress which has become a very noticeable problem since the cell tower building boom that took of in the early 2,000's is that once the orgonite absorbers are in place there is a big "relief" for the home's inhabitants. It is like the air has been cleared and the home has become much lighter. Moods become brighter. It is really striking in homes that are really getting zapped. Whether or not these electrostresses are just incidental to modern electrocommunications or are part and parcel of a concerted effort to make the people uneasy is hard to say. There is certainly then the capability to use the communications netwroh psychotronically because it is already having those effects anyway.
A government and supporting mainstream media that constantly hammers home a message of fear and terror over its radio and television screens would not be above effecting the same unease by other means, and they very likely have those means with the cell tower network which has now blanketed the land.