Clarence 13X: Taught the Five Percent Nation How To Use the Lessons and Become God

CLARENCE 13X: TAUGHT THE FIVE PERCENT NATION HOW TO USE THE LESSONS AND BECOME GOD

By Fahim A. Knight-El

This writer on April 22, 2010, traveled to Danville, Virginia which is approximately sixty (60) miles from my home; although, I had traveled to Danville on many other occasions prior to this date, but this spring I went with my Third-Eye in which to observe and get a feel for where Clarence 13X Smith, Father Allah was born (it became a minor pilgrimage for me). This writer can only imagine what Danville may have looked like geographically and socially in 1928 when Clarence 13X entered the world. You can still feel in 2010 perhaps the racist aura that he may have experienced and the political, social and economic disparities between blacks and whites still exist some seven decades later. Although, segregation officially ended in 1954 and civil rights was further ensured with the passing of 1964 Civil Rights Act. The slave mentality is still overwhelming amongst our people in Danville and the only light that I saw was a small Sunni Islamic Masjid named At-Taqwa Islamic Center; located at 120 S. Union St, Danville, VA. (Reference: Michelle Alexander; “The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness”). (Reference: Lord Jamar: YouTube Link: http://www.babygrande.net/jamar/ ).

I drove down highway 86 North from Hillsborough, North Carolina heading toward Danville and you can still see the rural and agriculture landscape where perhaps farming was still very much a part of that region of Virginia, which would have been no different than yesterday. Danville is a hilly town and with a blue collar flavor—it appears to be commercially depressed, but there’s evidence they are slowly moving towards urbanization. Perhaps the reasons that Father Allah migrated to New York (Mecca) were no different than what I was visualizing some sixty years later—social disparity. Black oppression was still evident and the culture was still steeped in all the symbols of white supremacy. (Reference: Chip Smith; “The Cost of Privilege: Taking on the System of White Supremacy”). (Reference: Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes; YouTube link:

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There is organization in America, as well as in other parts of the world known as the Five Percenters or better yet known as the Nation of Gods and Earths (NGE). Thus, the founder of the group was named Clarence 13X Smith, a former follower of the Nation of Islam and the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Clarence 13X Smith in 1963 defected from the Nation of Islam and others maintained that he actually received an indefinite suspension for repeated infractions that were deemed un-Islamic conduct such as gambling, drinking and smoking, etc (there is a lot of controversy of why Clarence 13X was ousted from the Nation of Islam). The Nation of Islam had strict rules of conduct relative to clean living—its followers were prohibited from consuming alcohol, eating pork, gambling, partying, lying, stealing, cheating, etc. (Reference: Wakeel Allah; “The Naked Truth: From the Goal Mind of Abu Shahid, the Elder of the Nation of Gods and Earths”).

Although, many of the early Nation of Islam followers were recruited from the correctional and penal institutions of America and became rehabilitated after hearing the life giving teachings while in prison. The best known convert who had spent a number of years incarcerated was Minister Malcolm X (who transformed his life in prison). (Reference: Alex Haley; “Autobiography of Malcolm X”).

I believe that Clarence 13X was attracted to the Nation of Islam and Temple Number 7 (Harlem, New York) because of the former street hustler and later turned Muslim, minister named Malcolm X who was able to talk their language and had nothing but respect and love for the ghetto life style—essentially it was this counter-culture life style that was always intriguing to Clarence 13X and not many Nation of Islam ministers understood it as well as Minister Malcolm X.

This was where Malcolm X earned the street nickname Detroit Red as a petty hustler (earning his street credentials) and he understood the rules and the lifestyles of those who sold dope, committed burglaries, committed robbery, thievery, ran numbers, con games, pimping and prostitution because he himself was part of many street enterprises in Harlem, New York prior to his Islamic conversion. The streets also were the best recruiting ground for the Black Muslim movement next to the prison system from its humble beginnings in 1930. (Reference: Dennis Walker “Islam: and the Search for African-American Nationhood; Elijah Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam”).

What was the mission of Master Wali Fard Muhammad? Which ultimately became the mission of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad and Father Allah Clarence 13X and the answer to the question was found in the lessons—the civilized man job, duty and responsibility was to teach civilization to the uncivilized. It was always a mission of salvation, in particular to assist those who were made blind, deaf, and dumb to the knowledge of self by the 10%. Who is the 10%? Answer: “The rich; the slave-makers of the poor; who teach the poor lies—to believe that the Almighty, True and Living God is a spook and cannot be seen by the physical eye. Other wise known as: The Blood-Suckers of The Poor”. (Reference: Elijah Muhammad; Muslim Lesson No. 2 (1-40) pursuant to the 120 given by Father Allah, Clarence 13X).

Who is the 85%? "The uncivilized people; poison animal eaters; slaves from mental death and power, people who do not know the Living God or their origin in this world, and they worship that they know not what—who are easily led in the wrong direction, but hard to lead into the right direction". (Reference: Elijah Muhammad; Muslim Lesson No. 2 (1-40) pursuant to the 120 given by Father Allah, Clarence 13X) and (Reference: Pen Black; “Gods Earths and 85ers”).

The Nation of Gods and Earths for over forty-seven years has not been able to totally shun this street reputation and this has led to mainstream media depicting the organization as a street gang. Thus, in most of the State and federal prisons across the wilderness of North America, the NGE is classified as a "security threat" therefore, the Devil disallows them from having access to various lessons and materials and if caught with Five Percenter and/or Nation of Gods and Earths information this would be considered being in possession of illegal contraband (deemed by the authorities as gang paraphernalia and subject to disciplinary action).

Yet, at the same time the Nation of Islam who is considered a religious organization is allowed access to the “Supreme Wisdom Lessons” in which the Nation of Gods and Earths incorporates these same lessons as part of 120 degrees, but is somewhat prohibited from having the same lessons if they come under the heading of NGE. But even the Nation of Islam in many correctional institutions they have to go through Sunni Islamic Chaplains to gain access to their materials, who has assigned them as the so-called legitimate overseers over the Islamic prison ministry (many of them are Arab ass kissers and definitely are believers in that Mystery God).

Perhaps the United States Government can justify denying NGE its entitlement to being respected under the First Amendment Right, which is guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution to all “American” citizens and yet get away with discrimination because of the Nation of Gods and Earths non-religious affiliation. There would be a huge outcry if the Nation of Gods and Earths were a recognized religious organization and their constitutional rights were in violation, thus, you would have the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) tearing the legal walls down seeking justice and legal retribution. However, some of the incarcerated members have brought lawsuits against the Federal Bureau of Prisons and State prisons for discrimination, committing civil rights violations and First Amendment obstruction.

Moreover, very few in the so-called mainstream society have ever heard of the Nations of Gods and Earth (Five Percenters). But most of those youngsters who identify with the Hip-Hop culture have been singing their rhythms and lyrics for years. Wikipedia online resource stated: “Early Hip-Hop acts affiliated with the Five Percenters, and who spread its teachings through Hip-Hop, include two highly regarded MCs of the late 1980s–early ’90s conscious rap era, Rakim of Eric B. & Rakim and Big Daddy Kane. These two acts, as well as some of their other contemporaries, infused Five Percent teachings and symbolism throughout their music and videos. This reputation brought fans of Rakim in particular to refer to him as "the God MC." Not soon after Rakim and Kane's heyday rose acts who were even more explicit with allegiance to the NGE, most notably Brand Nubian, Poor Righteous Teachers, and the Wu-Tang Clan. The popularity of these acts sparked a boom of new NGE students”.

There is Lord Jamar Five Percent album and many more Hip Hop artists who identify with the Five Percenters. (Reference: Felicia M. Miyakawa; “Five Percenter rap: God hop's music, message, and black Muslim mission”). Spewing out the mathematics and science found in 120 degrees lessons and building with the supreme wisdom and inspiring a new generation of Gods; where in the cipher knowledge (is not necessarily rooted in Judaism, Christianity and Islam) is born outside of religious theological structure. There is no organizational priesthood or ecclesiastic hierocracy (Prince Cuba in his writings has constantly reminded the Gods of this most important plank) associated with NGE and also unlike the Nation of Islam there is no centralized leadership or divine priesthood. (Reference: Michael Knight-Muhammad; “ The Five Percenters: Islam, Hip Hop, and the Gods of New York”)

Yet, the Allah School in Mecca in New York serves as a sort of decentralized headquarters where official Nation of Gods and Earths literature, books, programs, instructions and gatherings take place. The Gods come in peace and show and prove (the science of demonstrating one's ability to recite lessons and using mathematics and science to provide evidence for the credibility of the knowledge, which must be rooted in the 120 degrees lessons given to us by Father Allah (Clarence 13X). (Reference: Sunez Allah and CBS Alife Allah; "Knowledge of Self: A Collection of Wisdom on the Science of Everything in Life").

So many of us who have embraced "The Lessons" have become parrots and have committed "The Lessons" to memory as though this is the zenith of our intellectual matriculation and can regurgitate them back just like a train parrot (this writer is not downplaying the importance of the lessons having an oral tradition. Master Fard Muhammad (1877-?) required Elijah Muhammad (1897-1975) to learn the questions and answers to the Supreme Wisdom lessons (he was required to commit these lessons to memory) and had to answer (recite) each question and answer 100% correctly before moving on to said lesson number one.

It took him three and half years to master the lessons and from that point W.F. Muhammad had created a God who did not believe in the teachings of a mystery God that did not exist. Who is that mystery God? Answer: “There is not a mystery God. The Son of man has searched for that mystery God for trillions of years and was unable to find a mystery God. So they have agreed that the only God is the Son of man. So they lose no time searching for that that does not exist”. (Reference: Clarence 13X (W.F. Muhammad and Elijah); 120 Degree Lost - Found Muslim Lesson No. 2 (1-40); Question #10).

The oral tradition of learning the lessons and the memorization exercises are only part of the process in which we must ascertain the ability to interpreted 'The Lesson" and truly search out the practical and most inner philosophical meaning and then use the knowledge to build a spiritual and physical kingdom on earth by acquiring money, good homes and friendship in all walks of life. The knowledge (the 120) should move us beyond just convening at Universal Parliaments—we can not claim to be part of the Nation of Gods and Earths and not be empowered by the knowledge of self and demonstrate the power and essences of being a God. The lessons asked the question: “Who is the 5% in the Poor Part of the Earth?” "They are the poor, righteous Teachers, who do not believe in the teachings of the 10%, and are all-wise; and know who the Living God is; and Teach that the Living God is the Son of man, the supreme being, the (black man) of Asia; and Teach Freedom, Justice and Equality to all the human family of the planet Earth. Otherwise known as: Civilized People. Also are: Muslim and Muslim Sons".

This writer believes that Father Allah with all his heart believed that the Black man was God and this is why the Five Percent Nation do not preface their name Allah with Abdul (Arabic for servant) but Father Allah instructed them to wear the name of God (Allah). Father Allah understood that if we claimed to be the original man (father of civilization and God of the Universe) there was no other name that was more fitting to bestow on members of the Nation of Gods and Earths. Moreover, in 1963 he questioned the half original man Master Fard Muhammad's (the founder of the Nation of Islam) ethnicity and nationality who the Nation of Islam taught that "We believe that Allah (God) appeared in the person of Master W. Fard Muhammad, July, 1930, the long awaited "Messiah" of the Christians, and the "Mahdi" of the Muslims". Clarence 13X allegedly declared that no half-original man could be God and this theological challenge is what many believed that led to his falling out of grace with the ranking officials at Temple Number Seven.

In Student Enrollment lessons (1-10) it is asked: Who is the Original man? Answer: “The original man is the Asiatic Black man; the Maker; the Owner; the Cream of the planet Earth-Father of Civilization, God of the Universe”. The lessons were enough convincing evidence where knowledge is born and was proof positive that the Nation of Islam's God-Head was a genetic hybrid and wasn't a full blooded original man. Master Fard Muhammad looked almost white and Clarence 13X felt this image was a theological contradiction.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad met Master Fard Muhammad (Wali Fard Muhammad) on July 4, 1930 and immediately established the Department of Supreme Wisdom (this became the first show and prove classroom), but these lessons were for registered Muslims only and it was the secret teachings of the Nation of Islam, which was closely guarded by followers of Messenger Elijah Muhammad and for thirty-four years no non-believer had access to the Lessons. But Father Allah, Clarence 13X after his suspension took the lessons to the streets and started teaching the youth outside of Elijah Muhammad's Temple number Seven structure.

Allah Jihad in his most revealing book titled, "The Immortal Birth" stated: "Allah took his message to poor, delinquent and hard-core street youth. Many of them were drug addicts, dropouts and incorrigible black youth that society had long since failed and given up on. Using the Supreme Mathematics and Alphabets, Allah taught them the meaning of their names, age (degree), why life was so hard and cold for the Blackman and other significant unpleasant facts. The First Born. His student he named Karriem, later to become Black Messiah. Allah chose him to be the first black youth with this knowledge because of his ability to attract the youth in the community and because he was a black seed (meaning a dark complexion)”.

Allah Jihad continues: “Fundamentally to Allah's teachings was that the black seed was the first seed and most dominant. Since the number 'one' represents the principle of knowledge in the Supreme Mathematics, the black seed being the first seed was referred to as the 'knowledge seed'. Therefore, Allah understood that Messiah's nature was to be a source of knowledge. Messiah brought other black youth to be taught by Allah. Allah began by teaching nine black youth. The number nine represents the principle of 'born' in the Supreme Mathematics. Nine is the highest number in the numerical system, thus, it means to be complete." (Reference: Allah Jihad; "The Immortal Birth"; pp. 298-299).

The Nation of Gods and Earths considers themselves to be Free Thinkers and not part of the Islamic religion; yet their vicarious history of being an offshoot of the Nation of Islam; it has caused them to be labeled as heretic and a blasphemous organization (no different than the Nation of Islam) relative to how they are viewed by so-called mainstream Islam (in particular by Wahabbi led Sunnism). Some of the NGE members have gone to great lengths to try to distinctly separate themselves from Nation of Islam, but what draws the two groups together are the lessons; Yet, simultaneously this is where they part company as well; the 120 Degrees (lessons) is taught by the Five Percent Nation as secular catechism, which is more steeped in Esoteric, Occult and Gnostics—this is more evident in the Supreme Mathematics and Supreme Alphabet Lessons. NGE quest is to discern the scientific value and philosophical lessons being imparted in the 120 degrees. However, the Nation of Islam has always interpreted the lessons from a religious paradigm, which was more rooted in the Nation of Islam's historical and religious worldview and most of all correlated the 'Lessons' to the Bible and Qur'an in which a theological explanation was more important to how the ‘Lessons’ were going to be perceived and taught to the Lost-Found members.

For example, Master Fard Muhammad asked the question: Who made the Holy Koran or Bible? How long ago? Will you tell us why does Islam re-new her history every twenty-five thousand years? Answer: "The Holy Koran or Bible is made by the original people, who is Allah, the supreme being, or (Black man) of Asia. The Koran will expire in the Year twenty-five thousand; (nine hundred eighty years from the date of this writing).The Nation of Islam is all-wise and does everything right and exact. The planet earth, which is the home of Islam, and is approximately twenty-five thousand miles in circumference. So the wise man of the East (Black man) makes history or Koran to equal his home circumference---a year to every mile. And, thus, every time his history lasts twenty-five thousand years, he renews it for another twenty-five thousand years". (Reference: Clarence 13X 120; also W.F. Muhammad and Elijah Muhammad: Lost-Found Muslim Lesson No. 2 (1-40)).

The NGE is much more interested in the secular value—science, numerology and the mathematical equations of the 'lesson' rather than being overly concern about receiving the Holy Qur'an and Bible as theological guides given by some external Being (‘God’) to govern human existence relative to moral and ethical jurisprudence. Yet, many Five Percenters study the Qur'an and Bible, but often it’s done out of respect for knowledge and not out of some religious conviction. The Nation of Gods and Earths have tried to vehemently distances themselves from such groups as the Five Percent Nation of Islam and the Allah-Team; these "NGE' persons and groups have tried to attempt at synthesize the Nation of Islam theological teachings along with the secular NGE culture ideology by correlating and bridging the ideological gap between these two organizations by making an effort to meshing—the sacred and secular realms of knowledge. I think both organizations need their soverign independence from each other.

Dr. Wesley Muhammad (aka True Islam) and Wakeel Allah, the author of two books, titled, "In the Name of Allah Vol. 1: A History of Clarence 13X and the Five Percenters" and published a second volume of the same title. Wakeel Allah scholarship represented a galvanizing of scattered Five Percent lessons and history, which was for over three decades the ‘120 Lessons’ were only complied as photostat carbon copies (my first introduction to lessons were handwritten copies), which was dispense and taught orally.

Many Nation of Gods and Earths view both Wakeel Allah and Dr. Wesley Muhammad as straddling the fence and to use a religious terminology some NGE members view both of them as “hypocritics” and are not worthy to be called Five Percenters. Both of these Gods for some of the NGE members are just a little to cozy with Minister Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam (they do not desire for NGE to be co-opted by the Nation of Islam and this is very much understandable). Yet, their opinions of these above detractors, in my opinion, represents a fundamentalist disposition and it reminds us of how religious organizations are ran and it's slanderous to discredit other Nation of Gods and Earths members for deviating from "centralized" directives or what is deemed core NGE teachings (every God has the right to Build).

This writer is always open to a good "Build" and doesn't matter to me whether or not the NGE sees certain Gods as being credible; I am interested in the substance and content of the knowledge and not necessarily focusing on the personality. This writer has found Dr. Wesley Muhammad books titled, "The Book of God" and "Black Arabia and the African Origin of Islam" as very credible sources and I can personally care less about his connections to the Nation of Islam. If you are truly Free Thinkers, thus your quest for knowledge shall not know any intellectual confinement, but outside the box thinking is beyond intellectual limitations.

What is the Duty of a civilized person? ANS."To teach the uncivilized people, who are savage civilization (righteousness, the knowledge of himself, the science of everything in life-love, peace and happiness)”. The Cipher is a circle but the ancient sages and gurus saw the concept as a method of transforming a text in order to linking knowledge to the never ending sphere (“What is the birth record of the said, Nation of Islam?” Answer: “The said, Nation of Islam, has no birth record. It has no beginning nor ending. It is older than the Sun, Moon and Star”). We must come to the realization that truth and knowledge are seen as 120+120+120=360 degrees, the representation of a complete circle. Study your ‘lessons’ and show yourself approved.

Fahim A. Knight-El Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of goodwill, of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolism and reinterpreted the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlightened world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight-EL can be reached at fahimknight@ yahoo.com.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-El

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Peace Brother Fahim...

Your perspective as posted above is VERY insightful, and VERY much appreciated. I didn't find anything that I disagreed with (not that I was reading with a critical eye), I was especially attracted to the point made re: the Cipher/Circle & the Sphere. While a Cipher may be 360 degrees, it's still limited (being 2-dimensional) in comparison to the Self Power Here (which exists in @ least 3 dimensions, & is thus a Born Reality)...In other words, the Philosophy in 120 degrees can indeed be limiting until it can be applied to the Reality that we inhabit (not the Reality that We imagine). I won't elaborate further, for I feel that this post is already a job well done, & that those who understand the language of symbolism will be able to read between the lines.

Peace...Allah Universal

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Peace Brother Allah Universal:

First, let me welcome you to the TDG site and forum; I think you will find some enlightened Minds and some good topics of discussion. I also, want to thank you for your kind words and no doubt your comments were very fair. I appreciate the Build; I had been thinking about writing something on Father Allah since April and kept think about how I wanted to frame the article and conversation. The Nation of Gods and Earths have a lot to offer and for the most part the scholars have negated doing credible research on the movement. But as you and I know there is no Mystery God and from that perspective it becomes our job, duty and responsibility to make knowledge born relative to being in a position to Tell-Our-Story. Lastly, once again thank you and welcome.

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Fahim, doesn't Duty requite more than to teach? Does it not require acts for the less fortunate and those in distress?

E.P. Grondine
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E.P. could please explain your question a little further; not that it is not clear, but I want to be sure of what you are stating before I give a response.

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It seems to me that "Duty" as a sense of moral obligation certainly
must include more than simply teaching, and must extend to other charitable works.

E.P. Grondine
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I think your comment is highly presumptive and with a lot of inference (and it has an indictment overtone). Thus, lets move beyond the covert semantics and come right out and say what you intend to convey to me; and lets take the discussion from there.

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fahim knight wrote:

I think your comment is highly presumptive and with a lot of inference (and it has an indictment overtone). Thus, lets move beyond the covert semantics and come right out and say what you intend to convey to me; and lets take the discussion from there.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-El

Fahim, what I simply asking you is whether you consider charitable works a part of "duty", in other words if not part of Duty, then what definition they fall under for you.

Others may define words differently than you do.

E.P. Grondine
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E.P. in think each individual has to determine the role they want play relative to the contribution they desire to make towards humanity. I am very comfortable with my contribution and my personal history of working to alter social change (I do wonder why you pose this question to me and not others on the TDG?).

But you could have posed this same question to every other blogger on the TDG site because there are plenty of others who are very passionate about certain causes and positions they have taken.

Thus, the bible says, 'my people are destroyed for the lack of knowledge'; I view teaching as a noble profession and before you can move people, it is imperative to provide people with the proper information.

So duty in my opinion is correlated to how educated people are about the issues and perhaps if I can provide a level of intellectual awareness, it might inspire others to look beyond accepting issues at face value and move them hopeful towards a greater understanding of the concept of duty.

But each person has to determine for themselves what their duty is going to be toward the uplifting of humanity. My role is be the 'messenger'.

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In Student Enrollment lessons (1-10) it is asked: Who is the Original man? Answer: “The original man is the Asiatic Black man; the Maker; the Owner; the Cream of the planet Earth-Father of Civilization, God of the Universe”.

So therefore the black man is the pure representation of homo sapiens, eh?

Shouldn't we move on beyond this kind of discourse in the XXIst century?

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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I think that particular lesson is rooted in history, biology, anthropology and archeological findings. Elijah Muhammad surveyed those disciplines, as well as others and it led him to a set of hypothesis and after further evaluating the historical and cultural data, it led him to certain conclusions. What Elijah Muhammad and Clarence 13X taught are still relevant conversations in 2010; unless you have accepted the premise that we live in a post racial era since the election of President Barack Obama. I am sorry I just do not see it that way; thus in reality, very little has changed since a black face is sitting in the Oval office.

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This sort of stuff seems familiar, indeed. There were some people preaching similar things to the Germans about them being superior to the rest of the humans. Only they didn't take it quite as far.

Yes very familiar stuff. And you are correct, racism is alive and well.

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Here is the difference; the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad has not led to the extermination attempts of any people on the earth nor has his brand of nationalism evoked sentiments of ethnic cleansing. What took place in Germany has no correlation to the teachings and philosophy of the Nation of Islam.

Chattel Slavery (1555-1865) left a people robbed of their land, culture, religion, mores, customs, folkways, etc. Marcus Garvey, Noble Drew Ali, Elijah Muhammad, Clarence 13X (Father Allah), Louis Farrakhan and many others, have always offered a message of love and self-empowerment in which to move the black man and woman (the original people) from their dependency on the Federal Government and white America towards a level of economic, political, and social independence.

I see their mission and teachings as the epitome of love because they were interested in giving black people the greatest knowledge that any race, culture or nation could obtain, which is the knowledge self.

Your last comment perhaps should be acknowledged by me in the affirmative, yes racism does still exist.

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The message you report on blatantly says that one group is superior to the rest of humanity, to the extent that they are not even the same type of being. And it is based on race and religion.

If you don't see the striking similarity, then you are either blind, or you chose not to see it.

Personally I believe these teaching are very negative, and extremely racist. There is no excuse for them. Chattel slavery can be an explanation for it, but not an excuse for teaching that your people are God, and the rest are evil scum. That is not a message of love. But is is racism.

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Now, I expect this type of emotional response from you. Once again, what took place in Germany has no relationship to the life giving teachings (you are comparing apples and oranges). Racism is often coupled with power and tied to institutions, which can determine the social, political, and economic outcomes of other races and culture (this is outside the realm of African Americans leverage).

You do not know much about the teachings of the Nation of Islam to make such ignorant statements (I have studied and written on the Nation of Islam movement).

Thus, you might desire to overlook Chattel Slavery, but we will never overlook this tragedy and should not be asked to overlook this historical criminal act. Perhaps you have a specific story from Germany that you desire to share. We are open to hearing it.

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The main point is simple, and you cannot hide from it. The main point is that these people are not Gods. They are ordinary people.

That has nothing to do with anyone's ignorance. It only has to do with the extreme arrogance of those who consider themselves to be above the rest of humanity. Your preachers are examples of such people. Their statements of superiority of black african muslims to the rest of humanity are pure racism. You cannot hide behind details of supposedly scholarly study.

That is the similarity to the Nazis and other groups explaining why their group is inherently superior to all others. Details of how they arrive at these claims are different in each case, the general line of argument is the same.
The conclusion is always the same - and the conclusion is always wrong.

Nation of Islam believers are in no way better than the rest of us. Muslims are not inherently better people. Black men are not inherently superior beings. They are only men, not a single one of them is a God.

Racism is indefensible. You can preach your theories of superiority, I will tell you that you are wrong. Farrakhan is wrong, and the compulsive study of books that agree with him doesn't make him right.

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You are trying to incite people based on your lack of understanding of the Nation of Islam and Black Muslim Movement. Here is some racism that you are forgetting, i.e., the raping and robbing of Africa and 310 years of Chattel Slavery; it appears in your emotional ranting you have forgot the greatest crime ever committed against a segment of humanity (perhaps in your mind these Europeans were bringing civilization to the 'Dark Continent' and them damn missionaries holding the bible in one hand and supporting slavery on the other hand was perhaps a good thing in your mind).

The Native Americans; there were two million so-called Indians (Native Americans) who were victims of his practices of racism. The Aboriginal people of New Zealand and Australia were also victims of systemic practices of racism; the people of India and Asia are victims of his practice of racism. But you are conveniently overlooking these racist crimes and want me to focus in on Germany (no my focus is on what took place with the original people because the level of oppression and tyranny are often overlooked by Eurocentric thinkers such as yourself)).

Second point, for me this isn't about race as much as it is about European and American imperialism that I am exposing (It just happens to be that the people who committed these above mention crimes were Europeans). Once again the Nation of Islam has been around since 1930 and National Socialist Party voted Adolf Hitler in power in 1933. He taught the superiority of the Aryan Race and systematically did some horrible things based on those set of teachings.

Nation of Islam used their teachings, theology and philosophy to build positive self-esteem and to work to overcome the historical and psychological trauma of what lasted for 310 years and move black people off their dependency on the Federal Government, as well reconnect them back to a history and culture that were robbed and taken from them.

The concept of man transitioning into gods has been around for a very long time. For examples, the Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, and Eastern base teachings have incorporated the teachings of Mortal Beings having the ability and power to recognize their ultimate potential and becoming earthly gods isn’t just germane to the Nation of Islam.

These were old pagan concepts that predated organized religion (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) but perhaps you are equating these theories to your belief in that 'Mystery God' that does not exist. I do not believe in that 'Mystery God' and do see the original man as God.

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The Native Americans; there were two million so-called Indians (Native Americans) who were victims of his practices of racism. The Aboriginal people of New Zealand and Australia were also victims of systemic practices of racism; the people of India and Asia are victims of his practice of racism. But you are conveniently overlooking these racist crimes and want me to focus in on Germany (no my focus is on what took place with the original people because the level of oppression and tyranny are often overlooked by Eurocentric thinkers such as yourself)).

I understand now. By "duty" You were speaking of the best task you think you yourself should undertake.

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Yes, Sir no doubt.

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You are talking nonsense.

I am making a simple statement, and you don't want to deal with it.

Your point of view is simply that you pick out a section of humanity and consider them guilty, and you pick out another section of humanity and consider them God-like. Not surprisingly, the God-like section is your own.

Then you expect people to agree with you about the superiority of one group, that being the group you particularly favour and incidentally are a part of.

Is that about it?

You and Farrakhan are no more the original man than Vladimir Putin, or Queen Elizabeth the 2nd, or Mother Theresa. You are as unoriginal as the rest. Farrakhan isn't particularly original either.

Lack of self esteem has been a problem for many oppressed groups, not just Africans. Lack of self esteem continues to be a problem for many people, for example in Africa, who are being oppressed, for example by Africans. Right now, today, not 100 years ago. Africans need no help with suppressing others, and they need no instruction. If they are indeed original man, then original man invented suppression and exploitation of others - in Africa. Africans are as guilty as the rest of humanity - nothing special.

What I see, and you don't, is that the consequences of letting this sort of teaching of being superior to other groups can be very serious. Hence I raise my voice occasionally, when I see this sort of thing. Don't fall into the trap of believing that Muslims or African's can't be the oppressors because they are in some way better, more original, more intellectually refined. They are not immune to being the bad guys, there is plenty of evidence.

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Here you go again, trying make the victim the criminal and the criminal the victim. Most anthropologists would agree that the original man was found on the African continent, L.S.B Leakey drew that conclusion based on archeological findings over sixty years ago in East Africa.

This is not anything that I or Minister Louis Farrakhan made up this is well documented history and social science. Yes, I respect the work that Minister Farrakhan does amongst African American people (his teachings gives African American pride and an accurate reference point outside of the thoughts of our ex-slave master’s children).

Your comments are reactionary and are not based on the facts; perhaps you think that the original man had their beginnings in Europe (Germany). This is a typical Eurocentric defense which is rooted in intellectual distractions and possesses very little factual information.

You initially were comparing some aspects of German history to the Nation of Islam in which I am still waiting for this history to be revealed. I do not know which side of that history that you were on and I do not the role your people played in that history. Please expound on those thoughts.

You are still overlooking colonialism and imperialism, which led to the Middle Passage and the Transatlantic Slave Trade. This was the epitome of racism and there was never a historical atonement.

The root of the social, political, and economic problems today in Africa had there inceptions in external forces who brought that slave making Christianity (stealing the minds of the indigenous people) and although African nations in the 1960s who fought for independence and liberation, it was superficial sovereignty. But the damage of colonialism would be everlasting. I am not arguing based on emotionalism, but I am dealing with historical facts.

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I was comparing the conclusions arrived at by the people you are quoting with the conclusions of other groups.

The conclusions are similar in that the claim the supremacy of one group over all others. The people you quote and promote do this, and so do many others.

How these various efforts arrive at the claim of supremacy is not the question. The point is that they arrive at it. And that conclusion is what I object to. And that conclusion of supremacy is something you are not denying. Talk about that if you want.

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Your above analogy and deductive reasoning is totally off base and the conclusions that you have drawn is flawed. The leaders and black spokespersons that I quoted or made reference to have never incited a genocidal act or conspiracy against another human being because of race, skin color, nationality, etc.

There is no history of violence aimed at impeding the social progress of other human beings by the Five Percent Nation or Nation of Islam.

You are confusing nationalism with the term 'supremacy' and no doubt the black spokespersons mentioned taught various forms of Black Nationalism. The methods and strategy to teach Black Nationalism were designed to fulfill a cultural vacuum that Chattel Slavery had left on a people after 310 years of human degradation.

Moreover, the Nation of Islam or Minister Farrakhan has never used their nationalistic teachings to incite their followers to inflicted violence on other human beings. You are just running off at the mouth trying to defend them German Nazi Supremacist.

Tell us what you abhor and object to and dislike about your fellow German countrymen’s history; thus, as opposed to attacking Elijah Muhammad, Louis Farrakhan and Clarence X, Father Allah whom you know nothing about and yet not come right-out and condemn the historical atrocities of your fellow countrymen of Germany.

Perhaps this is the only way your argument will gain some credibility and respect with me.

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I am saying that all claims of supremacy of one group over the rest are false and dangerous. I reject all of these claims.

In particular I am including in this rejection the supremacy claim that is favoured by the writing that you present here.

I have never defended German Nazi claims, and you know that. I was using them as an example of how dangerous these attitudes can be. There are plenty of other examples from history.

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There are no claims of 'supremacy' being espoused by the above said groups, you took issue with them claiming to be "God" (the term means something entirely different than how it is defined in traditional theological circles) and your issue with them were rooted in a religious perspective and equating the Five Percent Nation and their members claim to be "God" from the realm of a religious paradigm.

Thus, in your worldview this is blasphemous and heretic, this contention has also led you to equate 'supremacy' with some 'divine' supernatural being, which you therefore can not phantom some black group (notation: Five Percenters is a secular group) referring to themselves as 'God'. It led you further to believe that these 'black Gods' are claiming superiority over other non-black people and are teaching racial supremacy (not factual and untruth).

I beg that you study the Nation of Gods and Earths before you come on the TDG making these false and shallow statements. I can not make it any plainer than that. I will debate you on this topic as long as you want to go at.

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I suppose if you define God (spelled with a capital G) to mean something other than a superior being, than the meaning of these teachings becomes something entirely different.

Why then use such a misleading term? If they mean to say "equal", using "God" is about the worst term the can use.

If God does not mean supreme, what does it mean?

It all depends on what your definition of is is, I suppose. If you redefine vocabulary at will, you can say anything you want and later claim you didn't say it. I don't fall for that particular trick. Using intentionally misleading language is, well, misleading.

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Here again you are trying to fit the Nation of Gods and Earths into a religious frame and the outcome of your above analysis reflects such flaws. Moreover, however you attempt to spell 'God' with a upper case lettering or lower case lettering, it does not matter because NGE connotation of the word does not fit into a religious or theological point of view.

God is used by the NGE as a philosophical term and has nothing to do with how the three major religions view 'God' relative to a Deist concept that is defined as 'supreme' in which this is the mistake that you are repeatedly making; thus by still trying to view the NGE perspective from theology—you might get a better view if you understood the Humanist perspective.

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"We are as gods and might as well get good at it."

--Stewart Brand

fahim knight,

thanks for the insight into another group of Spiritual Scientists.

Onward onto civilizing civilization! :3

Helping those to realize the choices they have in their world(s) that they live in and create, every day.

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Inannawhimsey: You are welcome just glad that I could shed some LIGHT on the Nation of Gods and Earths.

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