None Dare Call it Conspiracy: There is No Other Name to Call it by

NONE DARE CALL IT CONSPIRACY: THERE IS NO OTHER NAME TO CALL IT BY

By Fahim A. Knight-EL

This writer learned a long time ago, that it is not wise to trust a politician or to place all your eggs in one basket. Politicians are masters at the art of lying and deceiving and often saying what people want to hear or saying what is politically expedient, but has no intentions of delivering on their promises of being good stewards of public policy. Many of them, exploit the concepts of expediency, in their quest to appease their financial backers and to ensure their interest are always front and center because this guarantees their own economic and political mobility; regardless of the political aspirations of their constituent base. This is what matters to a politician and in essence, all public policy is shaped outside the electorate by a few powerful individuals—their motive is always profit and greed and is far removed from the concept of democracy. (Reference: John Coleman; Conspirators Hierarchy: The Committee of 300).

Carroll Quigley in his book titled, “Tragedy and Hope” stated, “"...the powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences. The apex of the system was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland; a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations.” (Reference: Carroll Quigley; “Tragedy and Hope”).

We should no be fooled and/or duped in to believing that the junior Senator Barack Obama from Illinois who just happens to be African American has risen to international prominence because America is the so-called land of opportunity—steeped in milk and honey; or the veteran Arizona Senator John McCain receiving the nomination of his party explains their rise. The United States citizens did not pick either of these candidates because they were selected for us, in which this entire presidential campaign is being carefully orchestrated by the Rockefellers and the The seven OIL SISTERS—Exxon, Mobil, British Petroleum, Royal Dutch Shell, Standard Oil, Texaco, Gulf (As of 2005, the surviving companies are ExxonMobil, Chevron, Shell, and BP, now members of the "supermajors" group) are the one’s that set the American and world agenda. There is no real effort to challenge big oil or to release this stranglehold that so-called foreign oil dependency has around the neck of the United States of America; this rhetoric is mere propaganda. The United States Government created these type illusions and clichés relative to blaming our foreign oil dependency, as being part responsible of contributing to a weak United States economy.

This writer gets a big laugh every time he sees a television commercial of T. Boone Pickens (according to Forbes he is worth three (3) billion), an oil billionaire analyzing the negative affects of U.S. dependency on foreign oil. Pickens who is a Rockefeller agent and a low level operative has raked in billions at the expense of helping to wreck the ecological system and has contributed to the massive erosion of ozone layer with his environmental unfriendly oil ventures. The Pickens dynasty has been unfriendly foes to the environment for decades but now he is so-called behind an environmental friendly energy plan, which to rescue the United States from foreign oil dependency. How can you trust them?

There is approximately eighty-five (85) million barrels of oil pump daily and the United States is consuming twenty-one (21) million barrels of oil daily, which amounts to twenty-five (25) percent daily; yet we are only four (4) percent of the world’s population. Moreover, the U.S. import dependency on foreign oil has climbed to seventy (70) percent and we are spending close to 700 billion dollars annually on foreign oil. All of the world politicians are under the dictates and control of big oil; the majority of all major political campaigns in the United States are secretly and covertly financed by the big oil conglomerates, which translate to mean, big oil dictates to the politicians and not the other way around.

Republican Presidential nominee John McCain just did not pick out of thin air, Governor Sarah Palin as his vice presidential running mate, he was in direct consultation with the Council on Foreign Relations, Bilderberger and the Trilateral Commission, as well as with the Seven Oil Sisters bosses and those other invisible powerful lobbies who selected Governor Palin for the office of vice president. They use the controlled corporate media to bait the ignorant American people into a so-called debate and then convince them that the United States needs to view these rich oil Arab States as their enemies and the domestic oil crisis can only be resolved by allowing oil drilling in the pristine and virgin territories of Alaska.

Dr. Ali Memon in his book titled, “The Islamic Nation: Status and Future of Muslims in the New World Order stated, “In the past, United States foreign policy was almost exclusively made by government functionaries. In recent times, think tanks (organize groups of scholars) in conjunction with the news media have become increasingly influential. These groups are established by powerful interest groups are established by powerful interest groups (conservatives, liberals, Christians, Jews, etc.) to propose and advocate polices of interest to them. They recruit former and aspiring government officials and distinguished intellectuals to analyze issues of concern to them and to develop policy options. Their expertise comes from having held government positions or studied and taught the subject at universities; from those perspectives, they advance the point of view of the sponsoring organization. The media are always eager to report the policy options of these think tanks; they find them very useful. On specific issues, if there are conflicting views among the powerful (e.g., among the liberals and conservatives), then there is keen debate. However, when it comes to the interest of Israel or action against Muslims, there is hardly anyone who is influential enough to present an opposing view. Such decisions are quickly and unanimously made and implemented. American and European Muslims need to understand the importance of think tanks and the media in making public policy and in playing power politics. (Reference: Ali Memon; “The Islamic Nation: Status and Future of Muslims in the New World Order’ pg. 201).

These oil tycoons are the same descendants of the Robber Barons who decimated and emasculated those East Indians who had migrated across the Bering Strait sixteen (16) thousand years ago—but eventually became victims of white manifest destiny and social Darwinism. Governor Palin was chosen to lure her native Alaskans to sleep and to reduce the political opposition of her constituency while Senator McCain continues President George Bush’s masterful world strategy and objective, which is Oil theft by deception. The media will be used to incite and infuriate the masses of the people to opposed the agenda of the Alaskans environmentalist and naturalist (these environmental friendly lobbies are well organized and powerful) by having them believe that oil drilling in Alaska is a matter of United States National Security and any internal opposition must be obliterated.

Andy Stern in his book titled, “Oil From Rockefeller to Iraq and Beyond” gives this perspective relative to Alaska: “US President George W. Bush is keen to start developing the Alaskan oil reserves that lie under the Artic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). Although Bush presented a bill in 2001 that sought to allow development of a small part of the ANWR, opposition from Democrats and environmental groups was so strong that Congress never voted on the issue. Even if Bush, now with a larger Republican majority in Congress, manages to push through the bill, it will have little impact on the US’s long-term energy situation.”(Reference: Andy Stern: “Oil: From Rockefeller to Iraq and Beyond” pg. 223).

They will use the people of Alaska as mere cannon fodder by having Governor Palin dupe them as this sweet hometown girl who is just an ordinary so-called hockey mom, but do not understand that she has recently been initiated into the circle of the Roundtable and has taking a solemn oath much more binding then her vice presidential nomination oath.

William Cooper in his monumental treatise titled, “Behold A Pale Horse” stated, “Through ignorance or misplaced trust we as a people have abdicated our role as the watchdog of our government. Our government was founded ‘of the people, for the people, by the people.’ There was no mention or intent ever to abdicate our role and place our total trust in a handful of men who meet secretly to decide our fate. In fact, the structure of our government was designed to prevent that from ever happening. If we had done our jobs as Citizens we would never have reached this point. Most of us are completely ignorant as to even the most basic functions of our government. We have truly become a nation of sheep—and sheep are always eventually led to slaughter. It is time to stand up in the manner of our forefathers and walk like men.” The Roundtable truly don’t give a damn about the winners and losers in this 2008 presidential race or Democrat versus Republicans this deception is to convince the American people to believe that we live in a participatory Democracy. (Reference: William Cooper; “Behold A Pale Horse” pg. 234).

This is not necessarily about the winning of an election, as much it’s about setting and changing the United Sates and world energy dynamic for the next two to three decades. Governor Palin’s inexperience and political ignorance was weighed against her greatest asset and her political liabilities were compromised by these powerful men; it would be greed and big oil positioning that factored more so than her ability to function as a top level politician. Governor Palin has the ability to lobby and deliver to big oil what they want and right now Alaska is high on the radar screen. Thus, they have the power and the influence to shape public policy toward their interest regardless of who is in the White House. The ultimate objective in selecting Governor Palin was that she has the ability to guarantee the least political resistance from the people of this vital strategic region, while big oil will reap trillions of dollars from the Alaskan Oil reserves for the next fifty years in the name of so-called freeing the United States dependency on foreign Middle Eastern oil.

We have just embarked on the seventh year anniversary of the so-called September 11, 2001 tragedy, which the world witness the bombing of the World Trade Center hoax in New York City. Yet, as the Bush administration for the last eight (8) years aimed to create this ‘us versus you’ (which translated to mean Islam versus the West) mentality, while at same time the U.S. Government was still cozying up to Islamic leaders and governments like a strung-out junkie vying for that next drug fix—buying Middle Eastern oil and entertaining these reactionary Islamic monarch leaders with the highest level of diplomacy.

Moreover, while the masses are led to believe that Muslims and Islam were their enemies and at war against the West—creating fear and tension within the inside of our society and just forty-three (43) days into our nation’s 9/11 grieving and mourning the United States Congress passed the U.S.Patriot Act (stripping the United States Citizens bear of their Constitutional Rights) with no real resistance from its intended victims—its own United States citizens, but many of us foolishly believed and thought that the U.S Patriot Act was aimed at so-called foreign ‘terrorist’ it still hasn’t dawn on many of us yet, that this legislation was tailor-made for the United States populous).This event led to Bush declaring two wars—Iraq and Afghanistan all in the name of oil.

The United States Government has truly “dumb-down” America and giving us Governor Sarah Palin is the latest example, of the power of persuasion and manipulation.

Mark Twain wrote in the “Mysterious Stranger” Here is his reference to war, “And what does it amounts to? Said Satan, with his evil chuckle. Nothing at all. You gain nothing: you always come out where you went in. For a million years the race has gone on monotonously propagating itself and monotonously re-performing this dull nonsense to what end?"

Twain continues, “No wisdom can guess! Who gets a profit out of it? Nobody but a parcel of usurping little monarchs and nobilities who despise you; would feel defile if you touched them; would shut the door in your face if you proposed to call; whom you slave for, fight for, die for, and are not ashamed of it, but proud; whose existence is a perpetual insult to you and you are afraid to resent it; who are mendicants supported by your alms, yet assume toward you the airs of benefactor toward beggar; who address you in the language of master toward slave, and are answered in the language of slave toward master; who are worshipped by you with your mouth, while in your heart if you have one you despise yourselves for it. The first man was a hypocrite and a coward, qualities which have not failed yet in his line; it is the foundation upon which all civilizations have been built.” (Reference: Russell S. Bowen; “The Immaculate Deception: The Bush Crime Family Exposed” pg.1).

The former Soviet Union had fought an over decade long war against the Taliban and Al-Qaeda for, which they lost dismissal for the control over the rights to run oil pipelines through this Central Asian nation, as well as dominate the heroin drug trade market. The United States Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and the United States State Department instigated the recent Georgia crisis because Bush was successful of altering and shaping public opinion in 2001 (the 9/11 hoax) of creating control chaos with a covert objective of luring the American people to sleep with various international distractions and at the same time strategically increased his presidential approval ratings, which got him a second term in office.

The Bush White House by creating the Russian and Georgia crisis was attempting to sublimely set the nation's mind on Senator John McCain, a former military prisoner of war, as our next Commander in Chief as being the only candidate ready to deal with Vladimir Putin. It did not matter to McCain and the Republican Party that Governor Palin had never visited Washington D.C. and had no idea of how the world functions; in particular in the area of foreign policy and lacking understanding of the complexity of the global and international community. This did not matter to these Den of Thieves who had their eyes set on financially capitalizing off some of America’s last untapped oil reserves. This political novice agreed to sign on to further enslave the citizens of the United States. The masses of people in the United States ignorantly by giving consent to oil drilling in Alaska expects this to relieve our economic tension at the gas pump, but failed to realize this is not about the American people—this is about the further enriching of the Rockefellers, Morgans, Rothschilds, etc.

President Lincoln stated, “The money power preys upon the nation in times of peace and conspires against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, more selfish than bureaucracy. I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for the safety of my country. Corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggravated in a few hands and the republic is destroyed.” These were the prophetic words spoken by President Abraham Lincoln.

Gary Allen and Larry Abraham in their book titled, “None Dare Call it Conspiracy” maintained that the power Elite creates pressure from the top and pressure from the bottom by crafting artificial crisis in order to manipulate the political, economic and social lives of humanity—the so-called oil crisis has been well planned by this powerful sector and instigated by them, sending the world into panic, while at the same time expanding their own channels of production and distribution that evolves around high finance—money and power are their only objective.

Senator Barack Obama and Senator John McCain are both low level operatives of the Roundtable that have been given a well prepared script and an agenda; they would not have gotten this far without the approval of the powerful committee of 300. If the truth be told the powerful Zionist Jewish lobbies are the real brain trust behind shaping the United States Foreign Policy and her domestic policy. When The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) says, “jump” all U.S. politicians and international politicians say. “How High Boss?”

The author Aldous Huxley in the book titled, “Brave New World” stated, “There is of course, no reason why the new totalitarianisms should resemble the old. Governments by clubs and firing squads, by artificial famine, mass imprisonment and mass deportation, is not merely inhuman (nobody cares much about that nowadays); it is demonstrably inefficient and in the age of advanced technology, in efficiency is the sin against the Holy Ghost. A really efficient totalitarian state would be one in which the all powerful executive of political bosses and their army of managers control a population of slaves who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude. To make them love it is the task assigned, in present-day totalitarian states, to ministries of propaganda, newspaper editors and school teachers. . .” (Reference: Terrance Jackson; “Putting it All Together: World Conquest, Global Genocide and African Liberation’ pg. 21).

Whether it is McCain/Palin or Obama/Biden, Alaska will be delivered to this hidden powerful Elite for oil and gas exploitation; agreed public policy will take a back seat to the interest and demands of the Elitist. They will continue to feed the ignorant masses media decoys and have us fighting over a perceived enemy (so-called Islamic Extremist) that does not exist. This writer went to his front yard on Saturday September 13, 2008 to retrieve his morning newspaper and inside the News and Observer, the “The Durham News” there was this well put together DVD package inserted inside the paper with a slick marketing look; without a doubt this publication was well put together and it was free. The DVD was titled, “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West” it was a trailer publication of documentary directed and edited by Wayne Kopping. This writer was actually in the process of writing this article, “None Dare Call it Conspiracy: There is No Other Name to Call it by.”

The writer immediately came to the conclusion, that this was an anti-Islamic propaganda ploy, it stated, “From the creators of ‘Relentless: the Struggle for Peace in the Middle East’ comes a new film that will change the way you look at the world. Obsession is a film about the threat of radical Islam to Western Civilization. Using unique footage from Arab television, it reveals an ‘insider’s view’ of the hatred the radicals are teaching, their incitement of global jihad, and their goal of world domination.”

My response would be that the Kissingers, Rothschilds, Morgans, Rockefellers, Oppenhemiers, etc., are far more dangerous to the international security of the world than some Islamic Radicals who have been drawn into war to defend their sovereignty and land rights, but these den of thieves and the others that aren’t mentioned, are the most dangerous Cabal of Emperors in the history of the world. They rule with an iron fist by deception. This writer immediately had drawn the conclusion that this documentary titled, “Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West” was sophisticated propaganda from those who control mass mediums.

In an article titled, “Who Rules America” stated, “THERE IS NO GREATER POWER in the world today than that wielded by the manipulators of public opinion in America. No king or pope of old, no conquering general or high priest ever disposed of a power even remotely approaching that of the few dozen men who control America's mass media of news and entertainment. Their power is not distant and impersonal; it reaches into every home in America, and it works its will during nearly every waking hour".

"It is the power that shapes and molds the mind of virtually every citizen, young or old, rich or poor, simple or sophisticated. The mass media form for us our image of the world and then tell us what to think about that image. Essentially everything we know—or think we know—about events outside our own neighborhood or circle of acquaintances comes to us via our daily newspaper, our weekly news magazine, our radio, or our television.It is not just the heavy-handed suppression of certain news stories from our newspapers or the blatant propagandizing of history-distorting TV "docudramas" that characterizes the opinion-manipulating techniques of the media masters. They exercise both subtlety and thoroughness in their management of the news and the entertainment that they present to us. For example, the way in which the news is covered: which items are emphasized and which are played down; the reporter's choice of words, tone of voice, and facial expressions; the wording of headlines; the choice of illustrations—all of these things subliminally and yet profoundly affect the way in which we interpret what we see or hear. "

"On top of this, of course, the columnists and editors remove any remaining doubt from our minds as to just what we are to think about it all. Employing carefully developed psychological techniques, they guide our thought and opinion so that we can be in tune with the "in" crowd, the "beautiful people," the "smart money." They let us know exactly what our attitudes should be toward various types of people and behavior by placing those people or that behavior in the context of a TV drama or situation comedy and having the other TV characters react in the Politically Correct way".

Most people do not know and can not conceive that they are modern day slaves to a powerful hidden and unseen slave master. These ruthless vipers and dictators have Obama and McCain in a chokehold, as well as all humanity. Also, Governor Palin was a missing piece on the CHESS BOARD, I do not want to come across as misogynist, but these powerful men would never share their power with Governor Sarah Palin or any other woman. She is just a political tool to be used to get to those untapped oil reserves in Alaska. They of course will reward her handsomely for her loyalty and obedience to their diabolic cause.

Fahim A. Knight Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of good will of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolisms and reinterpret the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlighten world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight can be reached at fahimknight@yahoo.com.

STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

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Raistlin's picture
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I always love your articles Fahim, inciteful and well researched.

Thanks for your efforts...they are appreciated.

Warmest Regards
R. ;)

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Raistlin thank you for your kind words. I try to do my best and to at least make an attempt to offer a perspective. But I do appreciate your comments and thank you for taking the time to read my work.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
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Really, "None Dare Call it ..." ?

I have heard and read this kind of conspiracy theory many many times.

Some of the actors change every few years. But the theme stays the same. Like the old Western movies - you change horses, but you don't change the topic.

Independent of that, here is my view:

Those who think they control the world are doing a very amateurish job of it. The oil companies, or the 13 families, or whatever group thinks they have control actually have very little of it.

This will happen for two basic reasons.

First, there are significant forces beyond the control of these conspirators. Russia, China, various religions, the laws of phyciscs, bacteria, viral infections, you name it.

Second, the conspiratorial organizations are large enough that they exhibit internal factions, which fight each other. Thus their common purpose does not remain common for long, and there is effective long term strategy.

For these reasons, it is very hard to tell if the conspiratorial groups actually exist. Instead hiding due to effective subterfuge, they hide behind their own incompetence. This could even be so bad that they don't effectively exist. They try, but it doesn't matter.

My guess: nobody runs the world, even though many groups try.

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Carroll Quigley in his monumental book titled, “Tragedy and Hope”, stated, “I know the operations of this network because I have studied it for twenty years and was permitted for two years, in the early 1960s, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it or to most of its aims and have, for much of my life, been close to it and to many of its instruments. I have objected, both in the past and recently, to a few of its policies. . .but in general my chief difference of opinion is that it wishes to remain unknown, and I believe its role in history is significant enough to be known.”

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Ok, Quigley writes that. So? Does this have anything to do with what I wrote?

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Earthling stated:
"For these reasons, it is very hard to tell if the conspiratorial groups actually exist. Instead hiding due to effective subterfuge, they hide behind their own incompetence. This could even be so bad that they don't effectively exist. They try, but it doesn't matter."

"My guess: nobody runs the world, even though many groups try."

Carroll Quigley words definitely answers the most essential element of your question. Carroll Quigley documented their existence in an over 1500 page book titled, "Tradegy and Hope". He was an outstanding history professor at Georgetown University; in fact he taught and mentored President Bill Clinton. Yes, he is a credible authority on these clandestine movements.

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I understand that you find Quiglet's writing credible. That's fine. I come at the theory from observable results, and there it seems these clandestine movements have made a complete mess of things, from their own perspective.

So my point remains - if they indeed exist (a possibility we must consider) then they are pretty ineffective.

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So what are the observable results Earthling? I see a complete manipulation of nearly every system, wars, poverty, starvation, are these the results of ineffectiveness? If these "Power Elite" have helped cause these things through ineptness then God help us when they get something right. I think they already have, but wait...it's not observable.

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Some of the observable results are the wars. Supposed the clandestine organizations are responsible for starting some of the recent wars. Why do they not manage to win them, at least in a way that furthers their purpose?

And yes, economic failure and poverty are the result of failure and ineffectiveness. Whether it is legitimate governments failing, or clandestine organizations failing doesn't make a difference.

Would you believe that wars, poverty, starvation etc are evidence of clandestine organizations succeeding?

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I choose not to see that it is ineffectiveness per se, just not quite getting the desired result within a certain time frame, whatever that time frame is or the desired outcome. Wars and civil unrest ARE engineered to create certain outcomes and it is naive to think they are not. The political agendas behind these are orchestrated and carried out clinically. Economic failure and poverty are byproducts in some cases and they do point to ineffectiveness but then nothing is perfect is it. These organizations are run by humans who make mistakes. All these facts are indisputable, if we set ourselves up to be manipulated then we will be. It's only apathy that prevents most people from caring about these things and whether they make a real difference in their life.

Do we really care about these clandestine organizations and their exploits and if so what are we going to do about the control they have?

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Well, it is not correct that all these facts are indisputable. They are not facts because you are convinced, and they can be disputed by someone who is not convinced.

I disputed for example that wars and civil unrest are successfully engineered to create certain outcomes. They may be engineered, but the goals are often not achieved. And that is not naive, there is no need to be so condescending, thank you very much.

I look at religions, and the usual criticism of governments, and the reaction to crimes, and at conspiracy theories like the one we discuss here.

I see a powerful desire to blame someone. The gods, the government. In cases of crime, someone must be punished. Often it does not matter if the party being punished is guilty.

It looks remarkably similar with these ultra-secret agents - we can't find anyone to blame, so we look harder until we find someone.

What if nobody is actually running the show? Why is that hard to believe?

Why won't many people even consider the possibility?

Perhaps it is because then we don't have someone to blame.
We would have to actually do things ourselves, instead of blaming and fighting those in control.

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"Why won't many people even consider the possibility" LOL

I have and I have been left wanting.

In one sentence you entertain the possibilty that wars etc are engineered and then you say that none of it is and it's all just happening by itself with no puppetmasters, are you standing on the fence here and can't make up your mind?

It's not matter of blame, more so a matter of uncovering the truth.

I am one of those people that does things himself including research information that I find interesting, I'm certainly not looking to blame anyone except maybe to get a clearer picture of what is going on so I can be more informed.

I am convinced because I have done my own research and know that these things happen within all governments around the world, to say this is not happening IS naive and I'm sorry you feel like I am labelling you.

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Apparently Raistlin, you can't discuss this particular topic while respecting people who don't agree with your conclusions. That makes the discussion less than useful.

You seem to have found The Truth, while I am considering various possibilities. Again this makes the discussion less than useful.

Let's talk about something else, some other time.

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Senator Barack Obama and Senator John McCain are both low level operatives of the Roundtable that have been given a well prepared script and an agenda; they would not have gotten this far without the approval of the powerful committee of 300. If the truth be told the powerful Zionist Jewish lobbies are the real brain trust behind shaping the United States Foreign Policy and her domestic policy. When The American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) says, “jump” all U.S. politicians and international politicians say. “How High Boss?”

Why don't you just whip out a copy of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion and be done with it? It's very funny to see you point your finger crying 'Hate! Hate!' when you are just as guilty.

The first man was a hypocrite and a coward, qualities which have not failed yet in his line; it is the foundation upon which all civilizations have been built.

The acorn never falls far from the tree . . . and it seems you're in good company.

AncientSkyman

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In the “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion” Protocol number 24 stated, “I pass now to the method of confirming Dynastic Roots King David to the last strata of the earth. This confirmation will first and foremost be included in that in which to this day has rested the force of conservatism by our Learned Elders of the conduct of all the affairs of the world, in directing of the education of thought of all of humanity. Certain members of the seed of David will prepare the kings and their heirs, selecting not by right of heritage but by eminent capacities, inducting them into the most secret mysteries of the political, into schemes of government, but providing always that none may come to knowledge of the secrets. The object of this mode of action is that all may know that government cannot be entrusted to those who have not been inducted into the secret places of its arts.” (Reference: “Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion”).

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

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The other day I watched a documentary on HBO, about a jewish man doing a research on the so-called "Protocols..." right after 9/11. It was a very good work, in which he interviewed people with very different points of view, including the muslim community and some southern Neo-Nazis.

Has any of you seen this documentary too?

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No. Red Pill, I had not seen this HBO documentary on the "The Protocols". I am quite sure it was an informative piece. What is your perspective on this document (The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion) and the documentary; do you think people can be overly sensitive and are willing to stifle debate because of the allege notion of a Cabal and a conspiracy to dominate and covertly rule over humanity is revealed?

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
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Hello Fahim, Earthling

Well thats the big trick they -religious cattle- claim the devil performed, having people believe he didnt exist. The problem here is lack of imagination, people just dont understand what is the use of ever more money and power, whats the use of war..well making money, not just from selling arms, rebuilding contracts etc thats visible and defacto peanuts compareed to the real deal....state debts, which buys you ever more leverage on a country. An so war can be an effective tool for maintaining social and political control over a large population.Thats one reason.

The second one is more metaphysical, these people and their real masters revel in death, destruction and fear. Backed by the power of money it makes them feel omnipotent, dont forget that these monsters consider the human race as fudder, they only respect their own lives, and would surely sell their own mother should push come to shove.

Earthling you don't see how it could be done, so there aint no conspiracy. Hmm well that was a waiste of seconds thinking about it. Most dont even get to think about it.. but you in a way are worse because you vocalise your ignorance. This human race has been in a mess for 5,000 years so how could you imagine anything different, let alone that these 'fires' have been purposefully started. And that this cabal is compartementalized in a clever way and the elements have been build up through the ages, parts have withered away new compartments have been created, each goal is not the same and they can very well get in each others hairs but strife is good, the end goalis the same if likely not on their books..it's the control/enslavement of the human race.

On a day like today you might think its slipping away from them...think again ! Who's been responsible for the unchecked creditboom and who's is now telling everyone that there will be a total meltdown of the financial system...Hoping to trigger panic sell offs, so his real masters can come in and tell their puppets to buy up real assets dirtcheap.

All this whilst the country is crushed by a virtual money debt, but the second president that dares to tell the fed to shove it will be dead very soon. Evil, i call them regressives btw, is all around us and if you think that by ignoring they will somehow dissolve you are dangerousy naive, or maybe you were contaminated when sleeping in that Bilderberg hotel..

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I could not have said this any better. Yes, I am in agreement with your perspective, but some of us are in denial and want to intellectually rationalize this reality; that humanity has been made slaves and there is an Elitist Cabal that is manipulating our political, economic and social reality. They are motivated by the lust of power and greed. All of humanity has a chokehold around their necks and are being strangled to death by these Dynastic "Emperors". Yes, they control, decide and determine financial markets, world crisis and decide who declare war on whom and declare who is going to win before the war begins. They are masterful CHESS PLAYERS. I just happen to have my eyes on the board.

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You misunderstand what I am saying. The human race has always found someone who is responsible for the mess. First it was the gods, later the one god, many times the tribe next door. Then it was the king, the witches, the pope. Later the government, the country next door, the different religion next door.

Many times it was the different religion within the same country. The Huguenots, the Jews. Currently (and for some time) we have the Jews, various ultra-secret (how convenient) societies. Since Sept 11, 2001 we also have the Muslims as whipping boys.

I see a pattern: societies need someone to blame.

I also see a similarity between the style of argument used by the secret society believers one the one side, and convinced religious believers (catholic priests, Jehovah's witnesses at my door, Muslim preachers on TV) on another side. The non-believer is misguided, ignorant, perhaps of weak mind. Certainly the non-believer is uninformed.

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I didn't retain much of what was shown in the HBO documentary (it was 2 in the morning and I was dozing a bit); but this film maker— a jewish man around his 40s— wanted to portray the way "Protocols..." has been used in the past by certain groups—often groups that may have nothing else in common, such as white supremacists and some members of the American muslim community— to reinforce their particular viewpoints and further their political agenda.

What was more interesting to me is how the "Protocols..." keep mutating and evolving to fit into the current suspicions of some individuals regarding the machinations and string-pulling of these hidden Zionist conspirators; for instance, a new element being added to the basket of things of which the jews are being blamed for, is 9/11. The film maker interviewed young American Palestinians, young African Americans, and some white supemacists and they all told the same thing: that on the 9/11 WTC attacks, no jewish man or woman was killed, despite the fact that this is a lie; the film maker interviewed a coroner who works for the NY county morgue who had to identify many bodies of the 9/11 victims —this man was a jew and the singer of a NY sinagogue— and the man had the terrible task of identifying the bodies of some of his friends, members of the jewish community.

So the job of the film maker was trying to unravel why this little panflet that's more than 90 years old still retains such a power and allure—the white supremacists sold it and, along with Mein Kampf, it was their biggest best-seller!— to the point that in the Egyptian television they recently aired a miniseries about the Protocols, that obviously caused a lot of conroversy.

All in all, it was a good film, and I think anyone with an interesting on this subject—whether they believe in the authenticity of the "Protocols" or not— should look at it.

For the record, I don't believe in "The Protocols..."; I do believe many powerful business men in the world happen to be of jewish origin, but I don't think they are seeking a secret Agenda, at least not one as portrayed by the "Protocols". I believe people still entertain the possibility that the "Protocols" might be authentic because they are so vague and generic. They talk about how the Zionists will work in cover using propaganda and subliminal techniques, controlling the media and the newspapers, when ANY intelligent person could come up with those same ideas. I believe this document tells people what they want to hear, that's why it resonates throughout the years and it's still so enigmatic.

But I tend to agree with Earthling on this one. Maybe we shouldn't look on arcane Kabalistic societies with a hidden diabolical Agenda to explain why our world is so f***ed up. Maybe the only reason is that in the end companies and multi-national conglomerates only care about one thing: making a profit. Add that to the ease with which politicians can be bought, and we can begin to explain some of the problems of this little planet of ours.

Maybe that's scarier than the idea of people knowing what they're doing, even if their goal is malignant.

That's not to say I don't believe secret societies have played a role in the shaping of important historical events. But maybe, like all humans, they give themselves too much credit.

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Boy-o-boy did you go for that bait! Not only did you agree that you are a follower of this famously discredited piece of racist propaganda, you quote it as though it were gospel. You are a classic anti-Semitic nut job. Case closed!!! (and score one for the Zionists!)

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For your further edification (not like I think you have even a single open neuron in your mind, but maybe others will read these links and see you for what you really are):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion

http://ddickerson.igc.org/protocols.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/the-protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

http://skepdic.com/protocols.html

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ASHKENAZI ARE NOT JEWS"

In the Bible Abraham is called the father of nations. Thus, Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael according to both the Bible (Judeo-Christian) and the Holy Quran (Islam/Muslim). What people fail to understand about this conflict in Palestine is that it’s a theological conflict shrouded in political terms. Theodore Hertzl is considered the so-called father of modern Zionism and in 1880's and 1890's Hertzl began advocating that the so-called Jews were the chosen people of God and that in the book of Genesis there was a covenant so-called established between the people that called themselves Jews and God.

The call for ZION (a designated home) was a theological call justified in the Old Testament teachings of a so-called promise that God had made to a certain people (that promise was not to the Ashkenazi/Khazars nor to the so-called Semite). The disperse Ashkenazis of Eastern Europe took on another people's history and culture and remember most historians have documented that many nations ran the Zionist Jews out their country for various conduct unbecoming to those nations societies. Thus, as much as we want to believe that 1947/1948 represents the beginning of Zionism, in particular when the State of Israel was established or created by Ben Gourin, Moshe Dyane and the boys these converted Ashkenazi and Khazars were acting out of a so-called theological conviction (a 4000-6000 year promise) that God had promised them Palestine or the Holy Land/Jerusalem.

Now! How did (Eastern European) Ashkenazi and Khazar from Russia or Poland become Semitic? The Ashkenazi and the Khazar is of a Yiddish strain and have no genetic linage to the Semitic people. The term Semitic has very little to do with Race classification, it is actually more associated with a body of languages spoken in East Africa, and the Mediterranean region. So these Ashkenazis and Khazars of European descendent conveniently adopted a Race Classification and really adopted a religion (Judaism). Hertzl exclaim this so-called disperse people toward a political solution that was disguised in a theological solution and justified under Biblical Jurisprudence.

Lets go back to Abraham sons and for those who are not Biblical (Talmud and Old Testament) or Quranic scholars, it is important to remember that Isaac and Ishmael were blood brothers (kith and kin). Abraham is not tied to the Ashkenazi or the Khazars, but he is conveniently classified as a Jew (there is no theological bases), but this term is loosely used to classify ethnicity and is also conveniently used to indicate religion; maybe it is done as a means of deception. Jew can not be a Race because the original Jew lives in Ethiopia (jet black African) and he is known as the Beta Jews or the Falasha Jews. They have been practicing Judaism in its truest form for thousands of years before this European strain adopted this ancient religion.

Also, there are many other people of different ethnicities who are considered Jews from all seven continents and they are not all of one Race and they do necessarily look like the Ashkenazi or the Khazars and many of them are not Semites. This fact alone should disqualify that the Jews are a race of people. They are not.

The two sons Isaac became the Sephardic Jew (or Judeo-Christians) and the Arab became the Ishmaelites (Islam/Muslims), they are kith and kin. This land dispute in one sense are between blood brothers, THE JEW AND THE ARAB. BUT ZIONIST HAS CONFUSED THE MASSES OF THE PEOPLE.

The term and scare tactic of labeling Critics and critique of Zionist Jewish behavior as being anti-Semitic is a misnomer because these people are not Semites. I make a clear distinction between those Jews who practiced Judaism as their faith tradition and are good people, and denounces the political inspired movement of Zionism as being Fascist and racist. The occupation of Palestine is an outlaw act.You can not undestand the complexity of the Zionist issue because it is rooted in theological messianic terms and is guided by political and military machines.

You can not solve this riddle unless you know and understand, who is the original man? Because these two bastardize people are fighting over land that is not theirs and it will never be decided until the original man takes his rightful place Another subject for another time.

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In the Bible Abraham is called the father of nations. Thus, Abraham had two sons, Isaac and Ishmael according to both the Bible (Judeo-Christian) and the Holy Quran (Islam/Muslim).

What's the point of arguing when you know the mind of God?!? How is my puny human opinion going to compete with that?

And by the by, it exactly your hate filled attitude that is behind all the wars and strife in this world. . you need not look for some secret cabal as the fountain-spring of the evils that afflict man; you only need look in the mirror.

Checkmate? That's a good one. How can it be checkmate if I refuse to play by your twisted logic rules? Continue your 'alternative religious history' ranting . . I think my point of uncovering who and what you are has been made.

ASM

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I have deconstruct your argument and it actually fell apart real easy. No. I do not believe in hate or hate teaching. Most of my post on TDG have been against what I historically perceived as an individual and our collective experience (Africans in America) as institutionalize racism, which has always been my fight and struggle, as a top priority—against racial injustice and bigotry. But I do not think any people—race, ethnic group or religion is above critique. To yell Anti-Semitism is a covert ploy to silence reasonable debate; the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) and its agents have done this for years. There was not one part of my post titled, "None Dare Call It Conspiracy" that injected hate, but you desired to stifle debate by confusing the issue and making an appeal to people's emotional side. But I hope people on this site will read my original post for themselves and let them make the determination if I was advocating hate in the article. Yes. I do hate, that all of humanity have a chokehold around their necks thanks to the Bilderberger, Council on Foreign Relations, Trilateral Commission, etc. Now, it is up to the wide awake man and woman to determine who is behind these Cabals.

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I'll post the top quote from the second link:

Thousands, perhaps even tens of thousands, of Jews
have died because of this infamous forgery.

Rabbi Joseph Teluskin
Jewish Literacy

This is a true factual statement that any rational person (which most likely disbars you immediately) can follow and see the facts.

You are spreading lies and hate and don't like to be called out on it? Too bad! Stop spreading hate and maybe you won't be called out.

If you are so truthful and knowledgeable, please tell the kind people of this forum what is the meaning of the Koran's chapter called 'The Cow'? Please focus on the part about what happens to unbelievers . . .

For those who want to read it themselves (http://quod.lib.umich.edu/cgi/k/koran/koran-idx?type=DIV0&byte=1320)

You cannot hide. You can lie and try to fool the people, but I will uncover you at every turn.

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Here is little more to deconstruct your weak arguments; because the last trump card is always the Holocaust (now give me the so-called victimization story-line). You are probably some Ashkenazi or Khazar and hide behind a false Semitic origin. Stay on line and I will continue to expose your identity (IMPOSTER). The Arabs who most Ashkenazi and Khazars hate is considered to be Semitic people. How can the Arabs be anti-Semitic, when they are Semites? No, we are against Zionism in all its forms. You have not disapproving one false statement I have made. You keep yelling "hate" and we are giving you facts. You are talking loud and saying nothing. Define for me what Semitic is and define for me who these people are? And further define for me how does a critique of Zionist behavior become hate teaching. You are not going to stifle this debate with confusion and mixing truth with falsehood. I am prepared for you baby.

There is a book titled "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" authored by the Nation of Islam's Historical Research Department back in 1991; which published perhaps one of the most controversial books to be written in the late 20th Century. The research looked at credible and authentic Jewish sources and historical records to assess and evaluate what the Jewish involvement was in Transatlantic Slave Trade and the Middle Passage (1440s --1807).

The Nation of Islam researchers found that there were overwhelmingly Jewish involvement on every level—buying and selling of slaves—to owning disproportional numbers of slave plantations. They discovered that some of the Jewish Slave Merchants used Gentile and European names and played a much larger role in the African Slave Trade than what was previously known.

They were large on the financier end, slave brokers, owners, plantation owners, etc. Moreover, some Jews equated the Nation of Islam book the ”The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" as equivalent to "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion" and tried to dismissed it as anti-Semitic material. (Reference: Nation of Islam Historical Research Department; The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews).

The Simon Wiesenthal Center hired Jewish Scholar Harold Brackman who wrote the anti-thesis to the Nation of Islam research titled, " Ministry of Lies: The Truth Behind "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews" Brackman tried to refute and discredit the Nation of Islam scholars as using shoddy research methods and less than ingenious Jewish scholars as their verification sources.

But the Nation of Islam researchers opened up a new research arena and as much as the European Nations played huge roles in the African Slave Trade, but they found something more sinister relative to the "secret" Jewish involvement who even used Gentile Front men to disguise the level of their involvement. Many scholars black and white are fearful of Zionist reprisals and even more fearful of being labeled anti-Semitic, which might cost them their academic careers, if they were to touch the subject of Jewish involvement in the African Slave Trade.

Therefore, this subject has not received the needed scholarly attention to either confirm or discredit "The Secret Relationship Between Blacks and Jews". But they will not even allow a sensible debate to occur on the topic and subject without yelling "anti-Semitism".

The powerful Jewish Lobby groups went after the Afrocentric scholars for daring to suggest and expose Jewish involvement in the African Slave Trade. They went after Dr. Tony Martin, Dr. Leonard Jefferies, Dr. Khallid Abdul Muhammad, Dr. John Henrik Clarke, etc. They also accused Minister Louis Farrakhan of being the sole author of the book and the Nation of Islam was attacked from every direction by Zionist forces.

I am still objective and personally would like to see a greater debate on this issue. (Reference: Tony Martin; The Jewish Onslaught).

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'The Cow' if you please . . . please enlighten us. . . .

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Please enlighten us on when and how the Ashkenazi and the Khazars become Semitic? This question will further deconstruct your argument. You actually stole somebody history and make every attempt to stifle this debate to hide these facts. I know your history better than you and I am going to expose the truth. We do not teach lies, but we try to give people a clear and alternative view. The KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK always cite definitive sources and research references for all its articles. Yes, we consider Zionism as being racist and fascist. What about you?

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I read too . .

Jacobs Legacy

Abrahams Children

So? You are once again pointing at me and claiming I'm one thing or another based on race. That makes you guilty of racism. . . and FYI, my family is from an ancient line that traces our roots to Israel (Jerusalem) for over 900 unbroken and documented years. That our Great Great Grandfather moved to what is now Hungary to go work for the Austrio/Hungarian Empire and that his son moved to the USA (my Great Grandfather) does nothing to make us part of the Khazars . . and even if my family did come from Khazar stock, genetics shows there is a line all the way back to Israel in many of these families. Who is trying to rip off who's history?

But all this speak of bloodlines, purity, and genetics REEKS of NAZI STYLE RACISM . . and while I'm knowledgeable on the topic (too bad for you) I adhear to the addage that 'People are People'. I'll leave it for you to consider the next part of the very nice Tears for Fears song: 'so why should it be, that you and I get along so awkardly'.

ASM

Oh, I still won't let you off the hook, dodge as you might: what about 'The Cow'?

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The original Jews or a more accurate term was Hebrew Israelites and if your relatives can go back 900 years, then surely they are not the original people. He (Hebrew Israelites) looks nothing like the imposters that you see today. No, Abraham seed go back at least 4,000 to 5,000 years and I am not referring to the no jonnie-come-lately European Khazar and Ashkenazi that migrated less than a thousand years ago (more like 1880s to 1948) and set-up shop in Palestine and call themselves Jews. The original Jew lives in Ethiopia (Falasha) and they have been practicing Judaism thousands of years before their history was stolen and claimed by converted Eastern European Jews. The name of the game is truth and I love to see humanity rally around truth.

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. . cut to the chase and tell us what happens to the unbelievers as in 'The Cow'! (Even to the Ethiopian Jews, who are also unbelievers in Islam).

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Once again I'm calling on the commenters' sense of tolerance. If the tone of the posts gets more heated, I may be forced to start deleting some messages.

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. .and if you do, I want you to be explicit in showing me where you think I'm stepping over the line.

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It was meant for all ASM; but also, I think you may find that when you begin to claim that other people's remarks are racist, you may need to step away a bit and take moment of pause.

Because even if you think a person's arguments ARE prejudists, you win nothing by attacking that person. if anything, you only get that person to be more entrenched in their views and close their minds to your arguments.

IMO, ALL OF US are racists, in a minor or big way. it is unavoidable to have a biased point of view due to our personal circumstances and upbringing.

But that's why most of us are here: To open our minds to another viewpoints, and exchange our own in a civil manner.

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. . . and as a man of concience I find it my obligation to point it out where I see it before it festers into something that does in fact get people killed. Ideas turn into actions and if the idea is that a certain group of people is destroying the world, then some others actions might lead to innocent people dying. This is historical fact. It has happened OVER AND OVER.

To have a different opinion is one thing, to incite beliefs that could turn into violence is something else entirely. I IMPLORE you to read up on the links I have posted so you can put yourself in my shoes.

There are some minds that are not open to other viewpoints, and the Nation of Islam folks are famous for it. PLEASE READ THE COW and you'll see where I'm coming from. As for my viewpoint, you've seen me here for years and I would hope you would agree that I'm open minded and back down when confronted with superior facts and logic. This is not such a case, there are no facts here, just destorting discredited hate speech.

It is my FIRM belief that being 'Tolerant' of things like that is a path straight to suffering, as the individuals espousing it have no such 'toleration' in their ideology. It is a hair-breath away from radicalism. I do not believe in tolerating radicalism, and having experience with it in the past, I think I'm a fairly good at spotting it when it presents itself.

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion has caused deaths. Many deaths. Anyone that defends it, IMHO, bears some of the guilt.

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I do not presume to hold all the answers. The issue you mention about tolerating viewpoints that later caused many deaths and pain in the past has been in my thoughts for quite some time, believe me.

Which is the best way to deal with ideas you find questionable or even dangerous? Do you tolerate them in the spirit of the American 'Freedom of Speach', or do you go out and fight to erradicate them?

I honestly do not know. but I do know this: The Daily Grail may not be the best place to go out in some war against the ideas you reject.

For one thing, I am aware that the average reader of TDG news has a higher education level that most people out there in the world. They are informed citizens that try to learn more of the topics that interest them. So I don't believe they need to be instructed of the dangers of controversial ideas. If anything, they'll tend to reject or ignore them.

I've read Fahim's posts for some time now. I think he's aware that I don't agree with him on many points. But I've tried to build a relationship with him on the points in which I do agree with him. It is my belief this is a far better way to build bridges and close gaps between different viewpoints. Then again, I may be wrong.

Please understand, I think that at this point the thread has been carried out with some level of civility, but I fear that things might get too carried away and heated, and people will start insulting each other; and I can't let that happen.

Maybe it is time to give it a rest?

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You shine the brilliant bright light of fact and rationality upon them and let them scramble for the shadows. Most such hate cannot stand the light of reason, so it's best to shine bright and quickly. You have to draw a line somewhere RPJ . . .but you don't have to go to war either. Shining fact, reason, and history is usually enough to do the job, and calling it for what it is cements the deal.

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By all means do. Question Fahim, his arguments and his sources. If he writes a blog post, I think he's aware he has to defend his position.

And if you find yourself unable to agree with him, state it and leave him be. If you're right and Fahim's arguments "hold no ground", then eventually they'll be forgotten.

I think most of us have been in the position of being the dissenters or "heretics" in some argumet or another. I for instance, used to comment in a Catholic blog and I tried to defend the rights of homosexuals to be ordained priests... you can imagine how well THAT went ;-)

But at least I can proudly say I never engaged anyone in a personal flaming war, although things did get pretty hot on some occasions. The only regret I have is that those comments were "lost" (or deleted?) after the blog was shut down during a "maintanence run". Oh, well... at least I had the chance to chat with intelligent people that could agree with my arguments, and I even became friends with a person that was in total opposition with what I stood for :-)

So my point is, we all here at TDG like to discuss things that are pretty heretic—even dangerous— to some people. Extraterrestrial intelligences? Ghosts? Re-incarnation? OBEs? I bet many people would like to put all of us in an insane asylum!

So I guess what I'm trying to say is: If we at TDG can't discuss things without starting to "exchange blows"...then what chance does the world really has, you know?

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You can read up at:

Nation of Islam

Wallace Fard Muhammad

Louis Farrakhan

And try as you might with your Orwellian Newspeak, we all know what anti-semitism means. . . here's for just in case:
Antisemitism

Ok . . go find another rock to try to hide under . . . and one more thing. . . what about 'The Cow'?

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I encourage all the TDG members who are participating in this thread to follow a tone of civility when writing your comments.

The fact that one may completely oppose the argument being presented by the other person, does not give one the right to start a flaming war.

And if this seems a very hard thing to do, then perhaps it is time for discontinuing participation in this particular thread.

Thank you.

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I let my emotion get the better of me, but when confronted with this sort of thing, I think it's only a natural reaction. I'll not slip again.

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Red Pill once again, I think you are right and I was responding to the accusation of being referred to as a "hater" and teaching "hate". I do not think these mean-spirited adjectives spewed at me should have gone unchallenged. Thus, I do agree and I think you have step in, in prior heated debates and offered reason and I consider myself a reasonable person, but I do not take easy to personal attacks. I think the conversation started off very civil and although there were various disagreements, but they were intellectual and civil. I think the Tread should continue with a level of understanding that a civil discussion is required.

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Hello Ancient Skyman,

Why not ask Fahim to give us a bunch of quotes from the scripture the zionists adhere to, the Talmud, the most dispicable piece of religious writing on the planet. In that light its hardly surprising the Torah adepts have been resisting the Zionists..ever since that group reared it's ugly head.

Earthling what is your argument, do you really think the divide and rule policy came into existance after the maxim of Machiavelli was formulated ? Come again, this has been an age old policy by whatever powers that be. The policy ? Keep humans down, destitute and in fear...and thus perpeptuating the trouble as they flee to whomever offers relief. War btw has another goal..keeping numbers down, specially of able young men that might pose a threat to TPTB. The visual representation of those has been changing the last centuries, though there are still many that cling to royalty this or that.

Then there are the religions, they still keep the people devided and in ignorance. Have to admit that this upstart psychotic alien reptile commander known as jwwh or jhvh and his luitenant known as gabriel have caused unbelievable death and destruction to the human race, and to this date keep many in their claws. That likely goes for many a somewhat enlighted TDG reader aswell. In short it's a mess. And one that's been brought further ahead by an alien dictated apocalypse, through which many of those deluded believers seek relief and redemption. How foolish, all they'd get is death and enslavement for any surviving offspring. Is it too late ? I don't know but the years ahead will be crucial.

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FirstBorn,

Have you read even 1000 words of the Talmud? I bet not, having read the comment you just made.

I have read it sections of it (there are over 60 volumes), and like many documents around 2,000 years old, it has many backward parts. This doesn't detract one centimeter from the sections that are gems, especially for their times . . things like: animal husbandry, crop rotation, solar/lunar calendar intercalculation, astronomy, map making, histories (with hundreds of stories that have been verified by 3rd, 4th, and 5th sources), and too many other technologies to mention. But, having not read it, I'm sure you wouldn't know about any of that.

I suggest you run, not walk, and get a few volumes to start off with (Gittin 56 has a nice story about what happened to Titus after he destroyed the Temple of Jerusalem!). I also know it speaks directly about 'other worlders', or creatures that come from the heavens, often called Nefileem, and there are wonderful stories of what seems to be advanced technology artifacts held by some of the Temple Elite from before the destruction of the Second Temple. Just more food for alternative history thought!

ASM

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Who vouched for this man called Amschel Rothschild? who stated 200 years ago, "Let me issue and control a nation's money, and I care not who writes it laws".

The Rothschild sons strategically took different European countries, which to carryout their plan to dominate world finances and control banking houses the world-over, e.g., Anslem Rothschild took Frankfort, Solomon Rothschild took Vienna, Nathan Mayer Rothschild took London, Charles Rothschild took Naples and James Rothschild took Paris. History bears witness to the success of this plot because the Rothschild family trust presently have their tentacles wrapped around the whole of humanity.

These powerful men of historical significance and their now present descendants carryout their globalization plots within organizations that are more powerful and influential than world governments.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

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Is the worldview (perceived or otherwise) of a greedy man relevant? Does it motivate his greed, or is it just a rationalisation of base and selfish behaviour?

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I suppose the same could be asked of anyone's worldview - is it just a rationalisation of learned behaviour patterns - a symptom of ego-attachment to those patterns, once they are consciously recognised?

Once the ego is involved, does its 'need' to maintain a worldview become a motivating force? Is the ego in control, or just a form of self-delusion?

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The very nature of mentioning the word conspiracy ordinarily evoke two different reactions; one being of denial, disbelief and rejection; moreover, often there is a fervent position to protect the popular view because there exist in the human psyche a deep seated belief and trust that our governments (or other entities of authority) will not do what the conspiracy theorist are maintaining. However, secondly, there is a much smaller minority of people who study certain past historical trends and are more than willing to explore the possibilities of an alternative view by delving into questions that are not expected to be entertained by an indoctrinated and ignorant masses. Graham Hancock on his website stated: "Each day scientists learn more and more about our species and its past, often turning up new evidence that challenges the accepted views and received wisdom of long-established orthodoxy. But because we live in an 'Information Universe' it is no longer the professional academic alone who is privy to such disconcerting news. Since the advent of the worldwide web the old intellectual monopolies have been broken. Now we all have the opportunity, if we choose to take it, to challenge habitual assumptions and to play a part in piecing together the puzzle of who we are and of our forgotten past".

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL

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My point is straightforward, I am sure you have figured it out. Perhaps your question is retorical in nature.

Anyway, here it is again:

I see the conspiracy theory we are discussing here as being yet another variation of the long tradition of finding a culprit. Sometimes the culprit was real (the aggressive country next door), more often the culprit was imaginary. My estimation is that in the present case, the culprit is imaginary.

Another part of my point is that people are scared of a world that nobody controls. That is why they search for a controlling power until they find one, or someone convincingly makes one up.

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