Christmas: Jesus--The Sun God, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth

"Christmas: Jesus--The Sun God, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth"

by Fahim A. Knight

This brief article is on the origin of Christmas and its so-called correlation to the SUN GOD concept, which the western parable of Jesus originated; moreover, December 25 is the BIRTH OF THE SUN GOD and in reality, this fabrication and/or truth has nothing to do with the Historical and Prophetic man called Jesus (there are actually two Jesus, perhaps another subject for another time) and this propaganda is continually being perpetuated in the name of tradition. But the beneficiaries of the Christmas tradition have always been the merchant class in the United States and around the world, which accumulates over 75% of their annual gross sales and financial profits during the month of December.

Allauddin Shabazz in his book titled, “Symbolism, Holidays, Myths and Signs” The word “Christmas” means “Mass of Christ,” or as it came to be shortened, ‘Christ—mas.’ It came to non—Christians and Protestant from the Roman Catholic Church. And where did they get it?---NOT from the New Testament---NOT from the Bible—NOT from the original apostles who were personally instructed by Christ—but it gravitated in the fourth century into the Roman Church from paganism”

Tradition reaps in huge monetary gains and that HIDDEN HAND who do not believe in Christmas or Jesus---THEIR GOD IS MONEY and WE SHOULD CALL THEIR HOLY “PROFIT” GREED. This writer, wonders do the SUN—DAY School teachers admonishes that the worship of the SUN was replaced with the divinity and worship of the SON popular associated with the man named Jesus. This article should not be viewed as an attack on the faith--tradition of Christianity, But like the Reggae Revolutionary Artist Bob Marley’s use to sing “NONE CAN FREE OUR MINDS, BUT OURSELVES.”

Allauddin Shabazz book validates this contention relative to the commercialization and the nonreligious connection Christmas has with the birth of Jesus; in his small, but powerful book titled, “Symbolism, Holidays, Myths and Signs” he stated, “Christmas has become a commercial season. It’s sponsored, kept alive, by the heaviest retail advertisement campaigns of the year. You see a masqueraded “Santa Claus” in many stores. Ads keep the masses deluded and deceived about the ‘beautiful Christmas spirit.’ The newspaper, who sells ads, print flowery editorials exalting and eulogizing the pagan season, and spirit. Gullible people have become so inoculated, many take offense when told the truth. But the ‘Christmas spirit’ is created each year, not to honor Christ, but to sell merchandise!” (reference: Symbolism, Holidays, Myths and Signs” by Allauddin Shabazz).

This writer understand and humbly accept that a 4000 word thesis places serious limitations on a subject of this magnitude where scholars such as: Gerald Massey, Albert Churchward, E.A. Wallis Budge, Josef Ben Jochannan, Alvin Boyd Kuhn, Godfrey Higgins, John G. Jackson, Kersey Graves, Cheikh Anta Diop, Manly P. Hall, John Henrik Clarke, Jacob Boehme, Arthur Edward Waite, G.R.S. Mead, Louis H. Spencer, H.G. Wells, H.P. Blavatsky, Ishakamusa Barashango, J.Van Rijckenborgh, Albert Pike, George Oliver, J.S.M. Ward, etc., have spent many years researching and writing scholarly treatise on the above subject.

This thumbnail sketch, is by no means, written to represent a definitive and exhaustive study on the this subject; there are to many links, which expands the schools of thought of esoteric, religious, philosophical, occult, metaphysical science and the truth extends to many cultures, far beyond the limitations of this research could ever begin to address. But it should not be viewed that the author perhaps does not understand the depth and complexity of this subject pertaining to Jesus, a god of the Sun and the origin of Christmas.

E. Curtis Alexander (aka Mwalimu I. Mwadilifu) in an essay titled, “African Foundations of Christendom” he stated, “Christendom began as a Council of Bishops in Nicea, a city in Bithynia, in Asia Minor on the southside of the Black Sea. The Council was convened by the Roman Emperor Constantine. Many events took place at this Council and the formation of many theological and theosophical doctrines were established such as the Trinity, the name of JESUS, THE Virgin Birth and perhaps the biggest act was making of the Bible. The books that were not canonical at this Council are known to us today as “Lost Books of the Bible’ and the ‘Forgotten Books of Eden’ ” (Reference: “African Foundations of Christendom” by E. Curtis Alexander).

In a book compiled by William Josiah Sutton titled, “The Illuminati 666” stated, “There is no scriptural evidence that supports the Birth of Christ as being December 25th; but history says December 25th was kept thousands of years before the Birth of Christ, in honor of the pagan Messiah. Another name for Tammuz, the pagan-child, was ‘Baal-bereth’ which means Lord of the Fir Tree.” (Reference: “The Illuminati 666” by William Josiah Sutton).

The majority of the scholarship on this subject totally contradicts the Christian version of the man known as Jesus Christ, but reaffirms this story within the scheme of historical and mythological allegory, metaphors, symbolism, prototypes, similes, etc. There is a sizable amount of precedent evidence which informs us that the entire story of Jesus, as far as, his birth, death, resurrection, and ascension were not concepts indigenous to European cultures, it flourished in that region of the world after they came in contact with Ancient Egypt (Kemet).They borrowed the Solar God concept from Egypt. (Reference: “Ancient Egypt: The Light of the World” by Gerald Massey).

John G. Jackson in his enlighten book titled, “Ethiopia and the Origin of Civilization” stated, “A study of the images of ancient deities of both the Old and New Worlds reveals their Ethiopic origin. Thus is noted by Kenneth R. H. Mackenzie in T.A. Buckley’s CITIES OF THE ANCIENT WORLD, p. 180:--‘From the wooly texture of the hair, I am inclined to assign to the Buddha of India, the Fuhi of China, the Sommonacom of the Siamese, Xaha of the Japanese, the Quetzalcoatl of the Mexicans, the same, and indeed an African, or rather Nubian, origin.’

Jackson continues on to state, “ most of the black gods were regarded as crucified saviors who died to save mankind by being nailed to a cross, or tied to a tree with arms outstretched as if on a cross, or slain violently in some other manner. Of these Crucified SAVIORS, THE MOST PROMINENT WERE OSIRIS, AND HORUS OF EGYPT, KRISHNA OF INDIA, MITHRA OF PERSIA, QUETZALCOATL OF MEXICO, ADDONIS OF BABYLONIA AND ATTIS OF PHRYGIA. NEARLY ALL OF THESE SLAIN SAVIOR-GODS HAVE THE FOLLOWING STORIES RELATED ABOUT THEM:---THEY ARE BORN OF A VIRGIN, ON OR NEAR DEC.25TH (CHRISTMAS); THEIR BIRTH ARE HERALDED BY A STAR; THEY ARE BORN EITHER IN A CAVE OR STABLE; THEY ARE SLAIN, COMMONLY BY CRUCIFIXION; THEY DESCEND INTO HELL, AND RISE FROM THE DEAD AT THE BEGINNING OF SPRING (EASTER) AND FINALLY ASCEND INTO HEAVEN.” (Reference: “Ethiopia and the Origin of Civilization” by John G. Jackson).

There is an overwhelming of historical evidence that the worship of the SUN GOD (which was celebrated by many names depending upon the culture and nation) Jesus was a story of antiquity that had played out on the stage of human civilization some thousands of years before the birth of Jesus who lived 2000 years ago and before Constantine concocted and devised the Christian Creed, which was designed to control how Christianity would be disseminated, as well as theologically protect the half-truths, distortions, and outright lies. They lied on Jesus, the Christ. (Reference: “The Historical Origin of Christianity” by Walter Williams).

Wikipedia online research engine stated, “December 25 was also considered to be the date of the winter solstice, which the Romans called bruma. It was therefore the day the Sun proved itself to be "unconquered" despite the shortening of daylight hours. (When Julius Caesar introduced the Julian Calendar in 45 BC, December 25 was approximately the date of the solstice. In modern times, the solstice falls on December 21 or 22.) The Sol Invictus festival has a "strong claim on the responsibility" for the date of Christmas, according to the Catholic Encyclopedia. Several early Christian writers connected the rebirth of the sun to the birth of Jesus (sun/Son). "O, how wonderfully acted Providence that on that day on which that Sun was born . . . Christ should be born,"

Anthony Browder in his book titled, “Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization” he stated, “Auras, Aset, and Heru is the first story recorded in history of man of a holy royal family (the Trinity), immaculate conception, virgin birth and resurrection. Evidence of this Trinity is known to have exist.” (Reference: “Nile Valley Contributions to Civilization” by Anthony Browder).

H.P. Blavatsky in her monumental book titled, “Isis Unveiled” through meticulous research traces the original man’s history and culture back to Egypt (Kemet) which all philosophy, science, theology, and in essences human thought evolved.

Blavatsky stated, “What Egypt taught to others she certainly did not acquire by the international exchange of ideas and discoveries with her Semitic neighbors, NOR FROM THEM DID SHE RECEIVE HER STIMULUS. ‘The more we learn of the Egyptians,’ observes the writer of a recent article, ‘The Marvelous they seem!’ From whom could she have learned her wondrous arts, the secrets of which died with her? She sent no agents throughout the world to learn what others knew; but to her the wise men of neighboring nations resorted for knowledge. Proudly secluding herself within her enchanted domain, the fair queen of the desert created wonders as if by the sway of a magic staff. ‘Nothing” remarks the same writer, whom we shall elsewhere quote, ‘proves that civilization and knowledge rise and progress with her in the case of other peoples, but everything seems to be referable, in the same perfection, to the earliest dates. That no nation knew as much as herself, is a fact demonstrated by history.”

There is no doubt that the story of Jesus was steeped in duality and shrouded in the mysteries, but the WICKLY WISE, the ten (10) percent who the Honorable Elijah Muhammad referred to as, “The rich, the slave makers of the poor, who teach poor lies to believe that the almighty true and living God, is a spook and cannot be seen with the physical eye. Otherwise known as the bloodsucker of the poor.”

Muhammad further maintained that December 25 was the birthday of Nimrod who is mentioned in the Bible (Old Testament) he is styled as a mighty hunter who is in opposition to God and he turned against the teachings of Moses (the law giver). Nimrod was born 300 years before Christ. Thus, he manipulated the teachings of Moses and set-up the early pagan empires such as Greece and Rome. According to the Bible he is the son of Cush. Nimrod killed his father and married his mother, whose name was Ester, and the Easter celebration is also tied to advent of Nimrod and the entire SUN GOD scheme. (Reference: The True History of Elijah Muhammad” Edited by Nasir Makr Hakim)

Moreover, when Nimrod’s wife (his mother) had their first child, he feared that people would lose respect for him, if they knew he was making babies through his own mother (it was a secret that they were married) therefore to fool the people Nimrod told people that the Holy Ghost had impregnated his mother. This was beginning of the GREAT LIE told about the birth of Jesus.” there is a lot in Muhammad’s lesson and was Christmas set-up by non-Christians who do not believe in Jesus Divinity, but has a stronger conviction to manipulate money and play on the theological ignorance of the people. (Reference: “The History of Nimrod” by Elijah Muhammad).

Manly P. Halls stated, “For reasons which they doubtless considered sufficient, those who chronicled the life and acts of Jesus found it advisable to metamorphose him into a solar deity. The HISTORICAL JESUS WAS FOR GOTTEN; nearly all the salient incidents recorded in the four Gospels have their correlations in the movement, phases, or functions of the heavenly bodies. Among other allegories borrowed by Christianity from pagan antiquity is the story of the beautiful, blue-eyed Sun God, with His golden hair falling upon his shoulders, robed from head to foot in spotless white and carrying in His arms the Lamb of God, symbolic of the vernal equinox. This handsome youth is a composite of Apollo, Osiris, Orpheus, Mithras, and Baccus, for HE has certain characteristics in common with each of these pagan deities.” Manly P. Hall whom this writer considers one of the foremost free thinkers in the history of mankind and he uncovers and interprets symbolism, signs and delved into ancient wisdom unlike any other this writer had read (Reference: “The Secret Teachings of All Ages” by Manly P. Hall).

We have been taught and perhaps more indoctrinated into believing that December 25, represent the birth of Jesus Christ of Nazareth who lived perhaps 2000 years ago in around modern day Palestine. There is some evidence that points to Jesus birth place being in the ancient city of Bethlehem, but most Biblical historians have argued that Jesus was born in Nazareth. but there was a plot and a conspiracy orchestrated by King Herod to kill the first born male; thus Mary’s pregnancy and Jesus birth became a top priority and secret, this cloaking and concealment was only necessary to protect Jesus from his conspirators. (Reference: The Jesus Scroll” by Donovan Joyce).

This next quote is from a book titled, “The Lost Books of the Bible to Jesus Christ, His Apostles and Their Companions” originally published in 1820 by William Hone. Most Christians do not know their were some lost books to the original Bible or perhaps this writer should say that a number of books were deliberate and intentionally removed from the Bible as an act of deception. Nevertheless, Hone stated, “Now Herod, perceived that the wise men did delay and not return to him, called together the priests and wise men and said, Tell me in what place the Christ should be born? And when they replied, in Bethlehem, a city of Judea, he began to contrive in his own mind the death of the Lord Jesus Christ. But an Angel appeared to Joseph in his sleep, and said, Arise take the child and his mother and go into Egypt as soon as the cock crows. So he arose, and went.” (Reference: “The Lost Books of the Bible to Jesus Christ” by William Hone).

December 25 had nothing to do with Jesus Birthday in fact his name was probably more like Yeshua Ben Yosef or Isa Bin Yusuf (Jesus the Son of Joseph) in accordance to the Amharic and/or Hebrew languages that were spoken in that region of the world, long before the English language was even a thought. Jesus was atypical of pagan tradition that evolved around the sun god concept and there were many more world saviors who had similar histories of that of Jesus and many of the things we ascribed to Jesus were actually borrowed from more ancient cultures and civilizations. The birth, death, resurrection and ascension fables seemed to have been concocted by money changers and merchants which as stated above, many of them do not believe in Jesus divinity, but the commercialization and the exploitation of his name is their only motive. (Reference: “The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors” by Kersey Graves).

How then did December 25, become associated with the birth of Jesus Christ? John King in his monumental work titled, The Celtics Druids: Seasonal Cycles of the Ancient Celts. King states “In fact, Christ birth-date was deliberately and artificially set, during the third century AD, to coincide with, absorb and supersede the pagan festival dedicated to Saturn. It is not even certain that Christ was born in the winter: many legends speak of his being born in the spring. The controversy caused by the switch from the old Julian calendar to the Gregorian persists in the popular folk story that Christ was actually born on 6 January, and that at midnight on the eve of that day animals kneel in homage to the Christ child in mangers and stables. Many of the original customs of the Saturnalia have survived into the Christmas celebrations with remarkable persistence. The theme of the advent and the Virgin Births is, of course, not Celtic or Roman, although there are virgin births in other religions and mythologies.” (Reference: “The Celtics Druids: Seasonal Cycles of the Ancient Celts” by John King).

King’s research points to the fact, that the entire Christmas tradition perhaps has it roots in pagan tradition (interpret to mean Christmas is a non-Christian ritual), which ancient people had developed sophisticated customs and rituals that pre-dated the birth of Jesus. The Ancients charted the universe son, moon and stars, thus developing agricultural rites that paid homage to the power of life and death as it was seen in nature (the Freemasons, Rosicrucian, Elks, Illuminati, Sun Gods of Kemet and quite naturally the Sun Gods of Ancient Greece and Rome), as well as others have relied in an interdependent manner on the winter and summer solstice for ritual justification and theological explanation. Nature dies (winter months) and it resurrects itself every year (spring time) and all of the above Societies, as well as Christianity developed elaborate customs and theological rites giving to some aspect of death and resurrection that was observed in natural creation. (Reference: “Secret Societies: Inside The World’s Most Notorious Organizations” by John Lawrence Reynolds).

Moreover, as the earth rotates on her axis the Ancients became infatuated with the mystique of the winter and summer solstice. The word Sol is a Latin word meaning Sun and word Stice mean to stand still and in scientific terms the winter solstice and the summer solstice are one of the ecliptic at which its distance from the celestial equator is greatest and which is reached by the Sun each year around June 22nd and December 22nd. In our hemisphere (North America) December 22, starts winter, in which days get long and nights get shorter and it was believed by the Ancients that the Sun died during this time, but the manipulators of truth switched and presented us with the story of Jesus, the “Son God” and then concocted a story that is very much inconsistent with the Holy Bible about the events surrounding Jesus birth. (Reference: Recapturing the African Mind” by Bruce Bridges).

For example, in the book titled, "The Book the Church Doesn’t Want You to Read", edited by Tim C. Leedom. Leedom maintains that, “It is also noteworthy that during the month of December, Bethlehem and its surroundings are subject to wintry cold weather, chilling rains, and sometime snow. One does not find shepherds with their flocks outside at night during that time. This is not a recent weather phenomenon… all of this indicates that weather conditions in Bethlehem in December do not fit the Bible’s description of the events connected with the birth of Jesus Christ---Luke 2:8-11.” (Reference: “The Book the Church Doesn’t Want You to Read” by Tim C. Leedom).

Kersey Graves in his book titled, "The World’s Sixteen Crucified Saviors", wrote about the historical fact that there were at least Sixteen Saviors that resembled the story attributed to Jesus Christ. He maintained that all of these world Saviors were born of virgin birth (immaculate conception), wise men predicted their birth, the heavens roared, born on December 25, died, resurrected and ascended to heaven. These various Saviors born on December 25th could be found in Kemet (Egypt), India, Persia, China, Mexico, Greece, Rome, Germany and all of them represented aspects of the Sun Gods who were deified long before the man, we came know as Jesus. It was at the Council of Nicaea (modern day Turkey) on May 20, 325 AD that Constantine and his Biblical scholars conveniently and systematically set-up Christianity (meaning the establish creed and doctrine) and in most instance it went contrary and was outright inconsistent with the original teachings of Jesus.

The two authors Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas in their book titled, "The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secrets Scrolls of Jesus" describes some of the challenges that the non-Christian Constantine the Great and the Council of Nicaea faced, “The result of the Council was the ‘Nicene Creed’, which sought to reconcile the differences between various Christian factions and to avoid doctrinal gulfs that had looked as though they might split the Eastern Church away completely. The rulings that emerged still provide the basis for most Church establishments today, covering many points of detail such as when congregations should stand and when they should sit during services. The central issue, however, was the problem of whether Jesus Christ was a man or a god, and if he were indeed a god, what was the precise nature of his divinity.” (Reference: “The Hiram Key: Pharaohs, Freemasons and the Discovery of the Secrets Scrolls of Jesus” by Christopher Knight and Robert Lomas).

Also, the entire system of Freemasonry is built on the on the Solar Deity hypothesis; thus, one can point to the allegorical story of Hiram Abiff (this story has no Biblical foundation) and he too is a prototype of the SUN GOD conjecture. Hiram Abiff was considered a Master Builder of King Solomon’s Temple and serve as a duality in Operative Masonry (Guild Masonry—Trade Skills) and Speculative (philosophical) Freemasonry and He is equivalent to Jesus in fact and fiction. Shabazz “Symbols, Holidays, Myths and Signs” stated, “In Masonry the sun has many symbols. One expression of the solar energy is Solomon, whose name Sol-om-on is the name for the supreme light in three different languages. Hiram, the Chiram (Hiram) of the Chalders, is also a color deity, and the story of his attack and murder by three Ruffians.”

The circumstances of Hiram Abiff’s death transcends earthly reality and moves into immortality (eternal life and the realm of infinity). Hiram Abiff was murdered at high noon by three Jewish Ruffians that conspired to steal his LIGHT (knowledge and wisdom). Death is viewed as temporary, no different than the changing of the seasons and Jesus life is styled as the zenith of the concept of immorality (Christians believe that Christ has ascended to heaven and is sitting on the right hand of the Father, but will return). Hiram Abiff’s fate is only temporary just as all the other SOLAR DEITIES which life and death is charted by the sun, moon and stars. Hiram Abiff like Jesus suffered a cruel death and was resurrected (He was raised from a dead level) from the grave in which he eventually stood Ninety degrees upright as a LIVING PERPENDICULAR ON THE SQUARE.

The Worshipful Master stationed is in the East (there is where the Sun Rises) and HE is considered the light of the Masonic Lodge and as the physical sun gives light which to set the earth into rotation, the Worshipful Master is styled as Wisdom and the Craft should radiate from his illumination and enlighten coming out of the EAST. The sun as it crosses the meridian sets in the WEST and this is the station of the Senior Warden and HE is styled Strength and in the SOUTH stationed Junior Warden, he is styled as Beauty. (Reference: “Who is Hiram Abiff?” by JSM Ward)

John G. Jackson in his book titled, “Man, God, and Civilization” he stated, “Interesting relics of ancient sun worship may be observed in the ceremonies, symbols and ritual of modern Freemasonry. According to Masonic Tradition, the word of Freemason can be traced back to ancient Egypt. It was derived from two Egyptian words, ‘phee” (the sun) and ‘mas’ (a child), meaning children of the sun or sons of light; and from this combination we derived the word freemason. A Mason is advised to travel to the East in search of light, for the sun rises in the East. The Masonic initiation rites like those of the ancient mysteries of Egypt, are drama based on the astronomical allegory of the death and resurrection of the sun, and the doctrines of the unity of god and the immortality of man; and these tenets are learned from Dr. Oliver’s Dictionary of Symbolic Masonry , that a lodge has their lights situated in the East, the South and the West respectively.”

Jackson continues, “They are so placed in allusion to the sun rises in the East, cross the meridian by way of the south and sets in the West. There is no light in the North part of the lodge, since the sun directs no rays from that area. Every Masonic Lodge Should be oriented due East and sets in the West because the sun, the glory of the Lord, rises in the East and sets in the West and in the lodge, the Master stands in the East, the Junior Warden in the South and the Senior Warden in the West, which positions are representative of sunrise, noon, and sunset, respectively.” (Reference: “Man, God, and Civilization” by John G. Jackson).

Perhaps the most colorful of all the SUN GODS was Osiris of ancient Kemet and in reality, this writer could have started this topic with Osiris ended with Osiris because of all the SUN GODS, it was from his legend that all other legends sprung. The Christianity Trinity perhaps originated in ancient Egypt long before Jesus the Christ. Osiris, Isis and Heru—is the father, son, and the holy ghost. These ancients’ tales were derived from agriculture and fertility festival rites. Osiris had a jealous brother names Seth (Satan) who conspired against him in a vicious plot to take his life just as the Cain and Able story of your Christian Bible.

Seth succeeded in murdering his righteous and innocent brother moreover, cutting his body—up in 14 pieces and depressed the pieces in the river to be ever lost. But Osiris had a zealous sister named Nephthys who desired to search the river in order to find Osiris to reconstruct his body. She found Osiris’ body, some historians say that she found his body in pieces scattered throughout the vast river with the exception of his penis. Osiris’ sex organ was forever lost. The Egyptian started constructing the obelisk symbols as duplication of Osiris lost penis. Osiris being associated in the larger scheme of the sun. However, there are many different slants to the Osiris myth.

Fahim A. Knight Chief Researcher for KEEPING IT REAL THINK TANK located in Durham, NC; our mission is to inform African Americans and all people of good will of the pending dangers that lie ahead; as well as decode the symbolisms and reinterpret the hidden meanings behind those who operate as invisible forces, but covertly rules the world. We are of the belief that an enlighten world will be better prepared to throw off the shackles of ignorance and not be willing participants for the slaughter. Our MOTTO is speaking truth to power. Fahim A. Knight can be reached at fahimknight@yahoo.com.

STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
Fahim A. Knight

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earthling's picture
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Yes, 'tis the season to say bad things about Christianity. Of course Christmas is a recycled holiday - the time of year when the sun comes back, and the says start getting longer again. Also, it is the difference between the lunar and solar year. That is pretty common knowledge.

Yet every year, some people come out of their holes to argue about these things. It is pretty tiresome I would say.

So to Fahim, Merry Christmas.

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If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

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I guess it is a time limit on when the truth shall be told. This above response is a weak argument and the responder could not debate the truth of the evidence. He/she prefer to keep people in ignorance and at the same time in a slick way dismiss the facts of the subject. I believe people on this site are to intelligent and desire to hear and know the other side of the debate that you will not get from mainstream media. I quoted and cited many references relating to "Christmas: Jesus--The Sun God, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth". The response to my post was weak and emotional.

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The celebration of the return of light, at this time of year, is a tradition that is many thousands of years old. Older than Christianity, older than Judaism. It has to do with the cycles of weather in the northern hemisphere.

So I say again, Merry Christmas. Enjoy the longer days in the near future.

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Thus, as stated in my original posting, I have numerous of sources and citations to prove my point relative to this PAGAN TRADITION, THEY CALL CHRISTMAS. You are running off extreme emotions. Every post from this day forward that I make, it will be well researched and NOT emotional based. Should people continue to be mislead and deceived and will you stand up in your church Christmas Eve Sunday and exposed to your Pastor what you just shared with us pursuant to your last reply? Now! Since you agree with the Winter and Summer Soltice TRUTH, I think I have made my point, but now we have an obligation to inform those who are BUYING INTO THIS TRADITION BASED ON BLIND FAITH. You are absolutely correct in your analysis that Christianity was before Christ. The Christian, may say, How can there be Christianity before Christ because they associate Christianity with the advent of Christ. What I have given is sound documented evidence. The science is on my side and you can have the Faith the (emotional)and I will not oppose one's faith tradition. I am just more partial to the TRUTH. Stop being so emotional and lets debate this on evidence NOT FEEL GOOD SERMONS.

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you should post at hall of matt - they had a discussions on ancient egypt there with alot of experts in the field.

but i know your claim that
"Jackson of egypt and OSIRIS, AND HORUS OF EGYPT" has been reash there to be false.

dr h recently posted a black egypt was false after some were trying to claim it after a few images were darkening or few dark stones. dr h has the dna proof to the pharohs of egypt and claims it to be white egypt.

there was a discussion there on mural of races where - egypt consider themselves a different race than the blacks of nubia, and other people. hall of matt mention to me some
africian groups have altered pictures since some groups trying to claim white egypt as there own.

the 4 sons of horus where depiced as white as snow.
isis to was bright.

but as with alot of things - sun is bright -
and the afterlife - to dark nite skies - are basically black other than the stars.

like i said - you should posted it there- under ancient egypt - odds are some of those experts have read jackson
work and see what they have to say

http://www.hallofmaat.com/index_p.php?0

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Thank you for the site, I have also done a lot of research on Ancient Kemet (Egypt) and a sizable amount of caucasian scholars agree with Dr. Jackson's contention two comes to mind right away--Sir Godfrey Higgins and Gerald Massey who have done monumental work in the area of Kemet (Egypt). I think Dr. Mary Lefkowitz in her book titled, "Not Out of Africa" went on a crusade to discredit Afrocentrism, which she used shaby research in her discourse. The other factor is intellectual racism and an Eurocentric worldview that is steeped in misconceptions and historical inaccuracies geared towards supporting a system of white supremacy. Thus, as much as I can appreciate your explanation, I think you already know that I disagree, but I will refer to the website.

STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
Fahim A. Knight

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before you start accusing anyone of sloppy research you should be very precise with yours.
Kemet referrs to a language more then a place. Ancient Egypt was known as "the land of Khem', referrring more to a religion then a land.
Most of Christianity's base is from many pegan traditions. This is common knowledge I would think.
But, as earthling has said the christian bashers come out at this time of year.
Christmas is what ever you want it to be......hey, the kids love it and so do the banks.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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RESEARCH MUST NOT RACISM INSPIRED and i agree with that

i seen 1 you tube and i couldnt believe how he was playing up to a white conspiracy on egypt and way he was trying to stir emotion and anger - was almost like that hatred stuff he was trying to breed acrross in his followers. needless to say he had no dna and was going against main stream research.

i dont live in the states and im not a american.
i read that the states had slavery long ago, but with history so many cultures were slaves in the pass was part of history. the black slave trade - black were inslaving blacks, white inslaving blacks, black inslaving whites.
whites inslaving reds, etc.

anyhow even some of my relatives were slaves less than 2000 years ago.

i think scientists with research in the field go by the facts and dna doesnt lie - you mention higgins he died over 100 years ago thats long before dna and all knowledge since his death over 100 years ago.

anyhow i am more worried about the survival of mankind,
and you already know alot of people dont like america for the actions in regards to pollution and we all know the way its killing millions around the world.

but like i mention - post in hall of matt - in ancient history - they have some experts there and people here can follow it once you post it there.

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I appreciate people who are searching for truth. I do not trust people who loudly announce that they have found THE TRUTH.

The seasonal relation to the Christmas celebration is common knowledge. Small children know about this. Some Christians celbrate their religion on this occasion, I don't see anything wrong with that.

You said in your first post that this concept was invented by american merchants, yet you agree that the tradition is thousands of years older than any american merchant.

I go back to my original point - it is the season to bash Christianity.

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If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure.

(Bill Clinton, and perhaps others)

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Was a racist of the first order, spending 3 years in a federal prison after his 1943 conviction for sedition. Having fathered several children with some of his organization's secretaries, there was considerable speculation that Poole ordered the asassination of Malcom X. Just read deeper into history and you'll find Poole, Malcom X, and Louis Farrakhan have obviously contributed little to racial harmony over the last several decades.
Personally, I, too, hate the commercialism of Christmas, but I won't stand idly by while you corrupt others' minds.
I doubt you'll appreciate the truths in this response, also.

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My research has very little to do with Elijah Muhammad, Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam. Now if you want to debate the Central Points of the article titled,"Christmas: Jesus, Lies, Deceptions and the Truth" or do you want to debate the theology of the Nation of Islam? My post did reference Muhammad and Farrahan, but I referenced a lot more than these two black American leaders. Your comment seemed to be racism in reverse and you want to draw me into an off the subject conversation. Jesus was arrested according to your Bible by the Roman Government, but that did not make Jesus guility. They so-called persecuted an innocent man. If you know anything about Elijah Muhammad, he was a Conscientious Objector based on his religion of Islam, but you sound like one of these wide eye patriots who support George Bush Foreign Policy in Iraq but I will debate you on any topic; moreover, just let me know. You do not know enough about the Nation of Islam to defeat me even in this off the wall subject. You are trying to appeal to the fears of the Free Thinking open minded people on this site. Shame on you and lastly is that the best you got.

STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
Fahim A. Knight

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The teachings of Poole (and the Nation of Islam) are absolutely, totally, completely based in racism, with a extremely heavy dose of undermining Christianity. The original purpose of your post was to provide yourself with a soap box to stand on and peddle your snake oil. Your beliefs are founded on Poole's stated intention of creating racial disharmony. You can talk about Blavatsky, Lomas, Knight, Hone...all self-professed atheists, but that doesn't make their words true. You stated that your original post "is on the origin of Christmas". If you quote "scholars" that are partial to Nation of Islam, their words are delivered with anti-Christian prejudice from the get-go. What your handlers are not telling you (or maybe you chose to leave it out) is that Poole's teachings about the "slave makers of the poor" were blacks themselves. In Africa, warring tribes regularly took hostages from the tribes they defeated and mades slaves of them to sell, primarily to arabs.
I have read nearly every book you referred to in your original post, yet I still find reason to believe. It is called faith, with free will thrown in. You began the attack on Christianity...don't dare to say you didn't. Some people's knowledge (or lack thereof) is the cross they must bear. If your logic is based on a lie, everything that follows is a lie. Ten lies do not add up to truth. On a follow-up, you wrote "research must not be based on racism". Your entire sham religion is based on racism. You and Tom Cruise should get along well. Why is the "Nation of Islam" denied recognition by Mecca? By the way, I think G.W.B. is one of the worst presidents the U.S.A. has ever had.

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I do not need a soap box; you really do not know who you are dealing with. I do not share you mischaracterization of the Nation of Islam. Do you want to debate the Nation of Islam? or do you want tp debate my original post. You seem to be a little obessed with the Nation of Islam. I do not have handlers, What are you implying?; You are once again grabbing for straws; Free Thinkers can not be controlled by superstious ideas (what you characterize as faith). The science bear witness to the facts of my post and you can not defeat the merit of the facts. I have more "faith" in the athiest than the snake oil religion and lying preachers that have misled humanity. I would rather take my chances with the athiest scholars; they are not in for the money, but for the truth. You do not think I know that in 8th Century the Arabs under Tarik Ibn Zaid made their oppressive trek from Arabia to North Africa and if you do think that I am not familiar with Islam and Arab colonization of sub-Sahara Africa, then that is more of your ignorance than mine. Thus, none of that have anything to do with the CENTRAL POINT OF ORIGINAL POST. Islam and Christianity was a team of destruction aimed at Africa. But Christianity robbed the minds and culture of the people. I do not have any Handlers, FREE THINKERS DO NOT NEED PREACHERS TO TELL THEM HOW TO INTERPRET THE BIBLE. Now please let me know, if you want to debate the Nation of Islam. You seemed to have an internal hatred for the black Muslim movement. If you have all the books, I have quoted your perspective would be a lot more open, than what you are displaying. You got to come better than that.

STAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
Fahim A. Knight

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This response is typical American style igorance relative to the Nation of Islam. Sir, you are just spewing anti-Nation ofIslam propaganda. First, I am not an apologist for the Nation of Islam and Minister Farrakhan. But I will state Farrakhan and his Nation of Islam have the right to practice Islam as they see it; although, their theology may differ from so-called "mainstream Islam" what ever that means because Islam to my understanding is a very diverse religion.

You cited THE SO-CALLED NON-ACCEPTANCE OF NATION OF ISLAM LEADERS BY MECCA.Let me give you some brief history relative to Minister Malcolm X (EL-Hajj Malik Shabazz) and Minister Malcolm X's so-called Orthodox Sunni Islamic conversion as some sought of standard bearer. Sir, let me give you some history and educate you on this subject.

Elijah Muhammad made Hajj in 1959 to Mecca and received a royal welcome from the Saudi Arabian Hajj committee. Elijah Muhammad taught Louis Farrakhan and the same theology that you are criticizing, was the theology that Elijah Muhammad taught and believed in when he made this so-called holy Pilgrimage to Mecca and circumambulated the Kaaba and touched and kissed the black stone that was put there by Prophet Abraham and his son Ishmael.

Minister Malcolm X was the one that set-up the Hajj trip for his teacher, Elijah Muhammad; interpreted to meaning Minister Malcolm X saw and witness Muslims in Egypt and other Islamic countries of all races and ethnic groups as early as 1959 (reference his book the Autobiography of Malcolm X).

In addition, to Elijah Muhammad making Hajj,two of his sons, Herbert Muhammad presently known as Jabir Muhammad and his son Imam Warith Deen Mohammed (Leader of the Muslim American Mission) all made Hajj in 1959 adhering to the FIFTH PILLAR OF ISLAM. He went their as a Muslim and left there as a Muslim and continued to teach the Nation of Islam doctrine and Elijah Muhammad never submitted to Arabs (Sunni Islam) doctrine.

On March 8, 1964 Minister Malcolm X breaks with the Nation of Islam for perhaps out of more of a political disagreement rather than a theological disagreement as many have attempted to describe. Minister Malcolm X found two distinct organizations, the Muslim Mosque Incorporated and the Organization of Afro-American Unity (OAAU), the former sacred and the latter secular.

Thus, as much as Minister Malcolm X made a public conversion to Orthodox Sunni Islam. He was deeply tied to Pan-Africanist/Nationalist Movement with his OAAU, which he modeled after the Organization of African Unity (OAU) that was very much engaged in the fight for African liberation in 1960's against European imperialism. Let’s do the math Malcolm X joined the Nation of Islam in about 1951/1952 after being released from a Michigan State prison and he spent about twelve (12) years representing Elijah Muhammad and the Nation of Islam as their top level minister. He was assassinated on February 21, 1965; moreover, he was only out the Nation of Islam eleven (11) months before he was murdered. I do not think he had enough time to formulate a solid conversion to Sunni Islam as many maintained.

Now! what got Minister Malcolm X suspended from the Nation of Islam to my understanding and based on my research, was in 1962 President John F. Kennedy was assassinated and Elijah Muhammad gave all his Clerics strict orders not make any public comment relating to the assassination of President Kennedy.

Minister Malcolm delivered a speech that afternoon titled, "God's Judgment on White America" and after the speech, a reporter asked Minister Malcolm X to comment on the assassination of Kennedy and in disobedient to his leader, Malcolm X said it was a classical case the "Chickens coming home to roost". I AGREE WITH MALCOLM X ON THAT STATEMENT.

This disagreement (between Malcolm X and the Nation of Islam) arose out political dissension and not theological disagreement as you have ascertain. I do not talk about a subject unless I do the homework first and it is evident that you have not done your homework on this subject.

Let’s move on in 1986 Minister Louis Farrakhan and his entourage made Hajj to Mecca (and has made two additional Hajj trips to Mecca) and he to was received By King Fard and the Wahhabi leaders in Mecca as a Muslim brother to the Arabs. Farrakhan right after the Million Man March (1995) went back to Mecca and actually did three World Friendship Tours visiting Islamic Nations from around the world.He has always been well received throughout the Islamic world.

In fact Ayatollah Khomeini allowed Farrakhan to speak at the 17th year Commemoration Ceremony of the Iranian Revolution. He spoke to over five million Shia Muslims that gathered.

Farrakhan also built and financed the construction of Sunni Mosque in Gambia, West Africa named the Alex Haley Mosque (named for Alex Haley the author of “Roots” and assisted Minister Malcolm X in writing his autobiography).

You paint this false picture that Islam is a universal religion (free of racism and prejudice) perhaps in theory, but in practice Islam is a race, gender, and class divided religion.

I have seen light skinned Arab Muslims treat dark skinned Muslims (as Abu--servant and slave) and we do not have look too far. Right now in Dafur, Sudan, the Arab lineage Muslims is oppressing the dark skinned Muslims in southern Sudan, Africa.

Prophet Muhammad (PBUH--570-632 AD) stated in Hadiths (recorded sayings) of Prophet Muhammad he stated, seeing Bilal Ibn Rabah, the Black Ethiopian and the first Islamic Caller (Muezzin) footsteps enter the gates of paradise before his very own.

I think both scholars Bukhari and Muslim record this testimony. I am not an Islamic Scholar I do not want to be one, but we should do our homework prior to presenting ourselves as authorities on such topic of Malcolm X, Louis Farrakhan, Elijah Muhammad, Nation of Islam, Sunni Islam, etc. Thank you for your response but here are the reasons for my disagreement.

SYAY AWAKE UNTIL WE MEET AGAIN,
FAHIM A. KNIGHT

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The truth is: The Jesus Christ in the bible is NOT the same Jesus Christ most people are familiar with. The Jesus most people know was born on December 25th. The Jesus in the bible was born in September. With research, you can ascertain the exact date of Jesus birth
. The most popular Jesus rose from the dead on Easter Sunday. The Jesus in the bible rose from the dead after three days and three nights in the grave. He was crucified on the Passover Wednesday, and resurrected on the Sabbath, which is Saturday.

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This is always a sensitive topic and discussion. Here is my opinion, I think most religions are based on mythology in which at the root is Paganism. The story of Jesus as a tale whether one view it as a story of divine or not; it has been proving that there were more ancient stories that predated the birth of the man we called Jesus who lived 2,000 years ago. Most ancient civilizations in Egypt, Persia, India, Greece, Rome, China, etc., had erected solar (sun) Gods, which was based on the winter solstice and the summer solstice; the birth and death of the physical sun. Christianity borrowed much of their theological dogmas from ancients rites, rituals, sacraments, etc. This is the evidence, but people have to draw their own conclusions and I am not in a position to determine what religious paths are valid.

Stay Awake Until We Meet Again,
Fahim A. Knight-EL