Remote viewing - the origin of the asteroid belt

Remote viewing the origin of the asteroid belt is a new public remote viewing project form The Farsight Institute. One of many we have experimented with for the last three years. I participated as a remote viewer in this project submitting five BLIND ( I had no information what-so-ever about the target upfront) remote viewing sessions. The results are, well explosive!

Project Overview:
Ever wonder how the asteroid belt formed? The prevailing theory says that it is essentially a planet that never formed out of the original primeval solar nebula of gas and dust. However, there are huge problems with this theory. For example, the asteroids are large rocks that arguably needed a significant gravity source in order to form in the first place. The late astronomer Tom Van Flandern, who led the Celestial Mechanics Branch of the Nautical Almanac Office at the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C. from 1963 to 1983, developed an alternate theory explaining the origin of the asteroid belt which he described in detail in his book: Dark Matter, Missing Planets, & New Comets. His idea is that a planet once existed in that location in our solar system, and it exploded. We call this the "exploding planet hypothesis." This theory has been widely ridiculed in mainstream astronomical circles, mainly because of resistance by mainstream astronomers to the idea that planets could explode in the first place. We decided to use remote viewing to take a look and see what actually happened. Look at the data yourself, and then you decide.

The project setup:
There are three remote-viewing targets for this study. The first target is the asteroid "433 Eros" (a siliceous or S-type asteroid) at the moment of its creation. The second target is the asteroid "253 Mathilde" (a carbonaceous or C-type asteroid) at the moment of its creation. The final target involves Iapetus, the icy moon of Saturn. Iapetus has a dark "splat" on one side, and Tom Van Flandern hypothesized that this splat was the result of an impact with a huge debris wave that ran throughout the solar system when the planet exploded that created the asteroid belt. Thus, the final target involves the origin of the dark splat on Iapetus.

The project overview can be found here:
http://www.farsight.org/demo/Mysteries/M...

The remote viewing sessions can be found here:
http://www.farsight.org/demo/Mysteries/M...

More remote viewing session from myself can be found here:
http://www.remoteviewed.com/remote_viewi...

A FREE Remote Viewing magazine can be found here:
http://www.eightmartinis.com/

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Ever wonder how the asteroid belt formed? The prevailing theory says that it is essentially a planet that never formed out of the original primeval solar nebula of gas and dust. However, there are huge problems with this theory. For example, the asteroids are large rocks that arguably needed a significant gravity source in order to form in the first place.
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We call this the "exploding planet hypothesis."

I don't think this is internally consistent. If there is no way to collect dust into small rocks, why is there are way to collect dust into really big rocks, like planets?

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In order to make a rock, you have to have sufficient gravity to compact the dust or heat it until it melts. Actually, it is somewhat like making a snowball. If you can't pack it, all you get is a puff of snow (dust) when you try to throw it (introduce force to the accumulation). There is a mass threshold that has to be reached to transform the material into a rock.

Several smaller asteroids have been revealed to be big piles of dust and small rocks or boulders. There is enough mass to hold it loosely together, but not enough to pack it hard or melt any of it.

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Don't you get heat and compaction from the right kind of collisions too?

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earthling wrote:

Don't you get heat and compaction from the right kind of collisions too?

Hi earthling -

Some meteorites show that collisions between asteroids occurred.

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The only problem is you have to have something solid to collide with, so a couple of bodies have to undergo accretion first. Once they transform and collide, then you start getting smaller rocks. Otherwise, you would likely just get a big puff of dust.

Now with the right orbit, something that gets close enough to the sun could conceivably melt from external heating. However, the asteroid belt is too far away for that mechanism to work.

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The only problem is you have to have something solid to collide with,

No this is incomplete. By that reasoning, you can never get accretion unless you already have accretion.

If there really is a physical reason why you can't get small rocks, I want the physics, not a reasonable-sounding casual explanation. And I want that explanation to cover all relative speeds and relative direction of collisions and accretion.

Consider also that the asteroid belt is not unique. There are rocks all over the place, outside the planetary orbits. Puffs of dust, small rocks, piles of small rocks, big rocks, planetoids and planets. So we have evidence to the contrary of the planet-before-small-rocks argument.

Sure for a starting argument the casual explanation is ok, but for a real hypothesis it needs real physics. Maybe the orbital mechanics were not widely available in 1830 or whenever this theory was proposed, but this is 2010. By now some proponents should have figured this out.

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earthling wrote:

If there really is a physical reason why you can't get small rocks, I want the physics, not a reasonable-sounding casual explanation. And I want that explanation to cover all relative speeds and relative direction of collisions and accretion.

Right you are, earthling. This is a very complex problem that some of the world's best physicists, geologists, and planetary scientists work on.

But they have found iron meteorites (from asteroids)that indicate that they were formed in molten cores.

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Consider also that the asteroid belt is not unique. There are rocks all over the place, outside the planetary orbits. Puffs of dust, small rocks, piles of small rocks, big rocks, planetoids and planets. So we have evidence to the contrary of the planet-before-small-rocks argument.

Right again, earthling. We do find primitive chondrite meteorites from the creation of the solar system. They are scarce and highly valued.

But on other hand, a lot of differentiated meteorites have been found.

earthling wrote:

Sure for a starting argument the casual explanation is ok, but for a real hypothesis it needs real physics. Maybe the orbital mechanics were not widely available in 1830 or whenever this theory was proposed, but this is 2010. By now some proponents should have figured this out.

Right again, earthling. It's amazing how long bad physics can and bad readings of ancient writings can stick around, particularly when they are tied into religious beliefs, or offer an easy coherent and comprehensible (casual) world view to some people.

By the way, WISE just discovered twenty five thousand (25,000) new asteroids, 15 new comets, and 100 NEOs.

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"By the way, WISE just discovered twenty five thousand (25,000) new asteroids, 15 new comets, and 100 NEOs."

So it may not just be 'raindrops' that keep falling on our heads!

Regards, Kathrinn

P.S. Can someone please tell me how to put one of those blue-boxed quotes into a comment please?

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You use the "blockquote" enclosed in brackets < >

Like this:
(blockquote + your text + /blockquote)

But you need to enclose the blockquotes in brackets. Check if you've done it correctly in the Preview.

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I'll have a practise and see how I go.

regards, Kathrinn

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Delaiah wrote:

In order to make a rock, you have to have sufficient gravity to compact the dust or heat it until it melts. Actually, it is somewhat like making a snowball. If you can't pack it, all you get is a puff of snow (dust) when you try to throw it (introduce force to the accumulation). There is a mass threshold that has to be reached to transform the material into a rock.

Several smaller asteroids have been revealed to be big piles of dust and small rocks or boulders. There is enough mass to hold it loosely together, but not enough to pack it hard or melt any of it.

Not enough mass now, for some samples. Other samples point to the accretion of smaller bodies.

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I didn't know van Flandern was dead. I met him at the 1999 ACM, and I'm sorry to hear of his passing.

We have samples of asteroids; they're called meteorites. The prevailing hypothesis a few years back was that given by McSween in Meteorites and Their Parent Bodies - that no planet could form between Mars and Jupiter because of gravitational constraints, and thus asteroids formed there instead.

But now studies have been done on the gravitational differentiation of meteorites pointing to I seem to remember(ef'ing stroke) 5 major parent bodies. Of course, it is possible that the planet(s) forming between Mars and Jupiter simply fell apart, or on the other hand they may have been disrupted by collisions similar to the one that formed our Moon.

What will sort this out is money for research, in particular for the study of LPBE impact craters, and meteorites.

(This was all material learned before my stroke; I have a headache, and will stop now.)

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The fifth sector of the orbital plane of Sol... the asteroid belt, is a prime location for a large, super-Earth type of planet. If I am not mistaken, I. Velikovsky proposed something like this in his book, Worlds in Collision back in the early '50s. (Gad, how long has it been since I read that???)

Does anyone know what the total mass of the asteroid belt is in relation to what a large terrestrial planet might render?

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the mass is less than any of the inner planets. Of course, I don't know how you would account for anything that escaped due to a collision or explosion.

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Many ancient myths tried to explain the origin of the planets and asteroid belt. In one version, the asteroid belt was personified as a male god, Osiris/Sokar, who was beheaded and had his body parts strewn about. The guilty parties were Thoth and Set (corresponding to what became the second and third planets, Venus and Earth), "who did not know how to mourn for him", according to the Pyramid Texts. But Osiris was "made to live in order to punish" his killers, apparently by pelting them with asteroids.

This idea is clearly reflected by Biblical typecasting, in which the murderers Simeon and Levi (2nd and 3rd sons of Jacob) are implicitly blamed for the untimely death of Issachar (5th son).

In a Babylonian rendition (Enuma Elish), the asteroid belt is personified as a female deity that grew great and haughty with an entourage of satellites. But by the agency of our twin sun, called Marduk, her proud mouth was smashed and her body split in two. One part became the Earth and its atmosphere.

The Greeks thought that Aprhodite (Venus) had sprung fully-formed from the head of Zeus. This also is strongly indicative of a cosmic collision/explosion.

Of course, these are all just theories. How can anyone (even space voyagers) be really sure how this solar system actually formed so many millions and even billions of years ago? The more interesting thing about these hypotheses is that they exist at all. How did they originate, and why did they dominate ancient royal culture so thoroughly?

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Charles Pope wrote:

How can anyone (even space voyagers) be really sure how this solar system actually formed so many millions and even billions of years ago?

isotope ratios

Charles Pope wrote:

The more interesting thing about these hypotheses is that they exist at all. How did they originate, and why did they dominate ancient royal culture so thoroughly?

In my opinion, you're confusing relatively recent "interpretations" from the 1800's with the beliefs of ancient royal cultures.

If you're looking for an explanation of those, then impact events are the answer.

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I'm not nearly as concerned with what people in the 18th Century believed. It's far more interesting to consider why ancient royals were so consumed with outer space. And to the extent of even patterning their family relationships after planets and constellations and such. The big question is whether the ancients got their original ideas (no matter how corrupted they eventually became) from an extraterrestrial source, or whether they just obsessed over the heavens because of the devastating effects of impact events.

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Charles Pope wrote:

I'm not nearly as concerned with what people in the 18th Century believed.

The problem, Charles, is that the errors of yesterday continue today.

Charles Pope wrote:

It's far more interesting to consider why ancient royals were so consumed with outer space. And to the extent of even patterning their family relationships after planets and constellations and such. The big question is whether the ancients got their original ideas (no matter how corrupted they eventually became) from an extraterrestrial source, or whether they just obsessed over the heavens because of the devastating effects of impact events.

Your last point pretty well sums it up. The Earth suffered a series of impacts of fragments of Comet Encke, and people did obsess. The confusion (corruption) arose from earlier scholars attempts to make sense of ancient accounts and beliefs, while either not taking into account impact events, or hopelessly elliding accounts of them.

The ancients ideas on these do not appear to have come from extra-terrestrial sources. That said...

While reading through Native American materials for Man and Impact in the Americas I occasionally came upon accounts that could be read as ET encounters. But the information in them was so indeterminate and vague as to be of little use in the study of possible encounters. I seem to recall that someone did take a look at this and published a book.

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The late astronomer Tom Van Flandern, who led the Celestial Mechanics Branch of the Nautical Almanac Office at the U.S. Naval Observatory in Washington, D.C. from 1963 to 1983, developed an alternate theory explaining the origin of the asteroid belt which he described in detail in his book: Dark Matter, Missing Planets, & New Comets

Like Redoubt mentioned, this idea has been around for quite a while. Even before the XXth century.

In Nick Redfern's Contactees, you can read about an obscure figure in the Contactee field called Lael, who wrote about his (alleged) encounters with the Lights of Brown Mountain, in North Carolina. The lights turned out to be (according to him) aliens that invited him to Venus.

In Venus Lael met the descendants of the planet Pewam, a world that was blown during a nuclear war, and which orbitted between Mars & Jupiters. This event happened in 1962, right when the Cuban missile crisis was threatening our own planet, too! something the Pewamites warned Lael about.

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NIBURU, PLANET X, NEMESIS, POLE SHIFT, ETC.

JOHANN RADLOF 1823
Was a classical scholar who first came up with this nonsense. Phaethon=Planet X

Radlof's theory, embodied in a thin booklet printed in Gothic letters and published in 1823, essentially boils down to four strands of theory, all of which recur throughout the entire
subsequent history of catastrophism.

The FIRST IDEA was that of the exploded planet: in 1802, Olbers had proposed that the recently discovered bodies Ceres, Pallas, Juno and Vesta in the asteroid belt must have been the last
remnants of a former giant planet that once orbited between Mars and Jupiter.

In this source planet, Radlof saw the original referent of the myths of Phaethon, Isaiah's 'morning star', Typhon, and others. DATE SERIOUSLY WRONG. The link with Phaethon was justified by reference to the following passage from Nonnus, in which Hermes addressed Phaethon as follows:

"Then you will shine in the sky like the Sun God next to Ares,
scattering that thick invisible darkness far away;
a miracle unheard of in the course of the ages"

If Phaethon really stood "next to Ares", Radlof naively argued, he could have been the missing planet, that formerly revolved between Mars and Jupiter.

THE SECOND COMPONENT of his theory, the mythical death of both Phaethon and Typhon at the hands of Zeus was then interpreted as
the disruption of the former planet. In keeping with Nonnus' statement that Zeus discharged a comet towards Typhon, Radlof supposed that THE FORMER PLANET 'PHAETHON' SPLINTERED TO PIECES
AFTER COLLISION WITH A COMET:

"Perhaps this displacement happened as the result of a collision with what used to be called
a dragon star or a comet"

Unperturbed by Nonnus' late date, Radlof then complained that Nonnus ought to have given more attention to the comet than he actually did:

"The moving power of that enormous water mountain that rose from the sea and moved forth over the Earth is obviously Jupiter's comet, and it is actually surprising that our poet allows
him only a marginal role"

The THIRD ELEMENT of Radlof's theory is that the planets were on different orbits than today.

Radlof uniquely speculated that THE PLANET VENUS WAS ONE OF THE FRAGMENTS OF THE EXPLODED PLANET, that settled into its present orbit in the immediate aftermath of the explosion, after
some close encounters with Mars. These views were motivated by the desire to accommodate Varro's statement regarding Venus' changed appearance and possibly also Phaethon's links to Venus. In
defence of the view that Venus had once been a constituent of a bigger planet, Radlof pointed to Venus' 'tiny size'. His bold ideas about the origins of Venus qualify Radlof as possibly the first modern 'planetary catastrophist' on record.

The explosion of the planet 'Phaethon' would also have had repercussions for our own planet.

The FOURTH ELEMENT in Radlof's theory was THE TILTING OF THE ROTATIONAL AXIS OF THE EARTH, that had originally pointed towards the zenith:

And the Aethiopians may indeed really have turned black on that occasion, because the hot zone ran over their heads when the earth axis was disrupted by that event.

The tilted position of the Earth's axis with respect to its poles had already led old-Greek researchers to assume that our earthly star had been hurled from its former, straight position
by some external body; in fact, Anaxagoras taught that the stars had originally revolved straight in the celestial firmament, so that the pole stood exactly on top of the zenith of the Earth. The Earth's point of gravity must have been disrupted by the collisions of the two disturbed heavenly bodies Hesperus and Phaethon, and especially by the former's change of
orbit and all subsequent radical changes in the internal equilibrium equations of the planets in our solar realm, and its former position with respect to the pole had to be altered twice.

FOR THE CONNECTION OF THE TILTING OF THE AXIS TO THE MYTH OF PHAETHON, RADLOF RELIED ON TWO ANCIENT PASSAGES IN WHICH PHAETHON'S FIRE DISTURBED ATLAS, STANDING AT THE POLE OF HEAVEN. THE PASSAGES IN CASE CAME FROM OVID, FALSELY IDENTIFIED AS HESIOD, AND NONNUS:

"The fire already threatens the pole of heaven
And Atlas can hardly go on to carry the glowing firmament,
When Jupiter - with his lightning hurls the rider from his chariot
and with dreadful fire quenches the all-fire.
With burning hair Phaethon comes down from the high sky
like a star that seems to fall
and is absorbed, far from his home, by the waves of the great Eridanus
… an entire day went by without sun."

"Even the axis of the sky is twisted by the swirling ether,
and the bent Atlas can hardly continue to bear the circling pole of the stars …
and all animals of the circle turn inimical towards each other;
even the planets clash:
Venus clashes with Jupiter, Mars with Saturn;
and the Pleiad, thrown of its orbit, approaches Mercury,
mixing its cognate light with that of the Pleiades"

Shrinking back from the extraordinary claim of a full-on disruption of all planetary orbits, Radlof hastened to add the following laconic remark to the latter part of Nonnus' quote:

"Whether those disturbances in the solar domain during the fall of that radiant earth star had really been so far-reaching or whether the poet rather painted it in the way it appeared to the eye, easily misled, that may the actual astronomer investigate for himself."

Quite apart from the shifting of the axis, the explosion of the planet 'Phaethon' wreaked more havoc on Earth. Ahead of his time, Radlof speculated that the catastrophe caused by the comet
impact must have incurred a bundle of disastrous events on Earth, including THE FLOOD, "great earthquakes" and "eruptions of fire".

In a remarkable display of prescience, Radlof envisaged the 'cosmic winter' as a universal deposit of snow in the wake of the event. This prediction was based on Nonnus' report that an endless rain of snow covered the entire Earth until the sky, "so that Thessaly's highest pinnacle of rocks and the tops of Parnassus, close to the clouds, swung in the icy flood". And the equivalent of a veil of darkness induced by the fall-out of cosmic debris was Solinus' account of an uninterrupted night holding sway over
the earth for nine months during the flood of Ogyges.

Despite these accurate 'predictions', however, and for all its genius, Radlof's work is rather poorly documented by modern standards. No compelling evidence is brought into court at all for
the identification of the mythical protagonist with the missing planet in the solar system. A major flaw is the unclarity regarding the dates and the exact number of catastrophes believed
to have happened. RADLOF CITED CLASSICAL SOURCES DISTINGUISHING BETWEEN AT LEAST FOUR CATASTROPHES – THOSE OF OGYGES, INACHUS, DARDANUS, AND DEUCALION RESPECTIVELY, BESIDE THE FLOOD
OF NOAH AND THE FALL OF PHAETHON – BUT FAILED TO ELUCIDATE HOW MANY OF THESE COULD HAVE BEEN IDENTICAL, and especially to which one the shattering of the planet Phaethon and the fall of
Hesperus or Venus would belong. That said, however, Radlof definitely ranks among the pioneers of early catastrophism and may indeed be the first planetary catastrophist in modern
scholarship. Immanuel Velikovsky would have done well to credit Radlof as such.

SAMPSON ARNOLD MACKEY
The first con artist/cult leader, or "synthesizer" as some modern religious scholars put it too politely, who profited from Le Plongeon and his wife Alice's delusions was MADAME BLAVATSKY, formerly HELENA PETROVNA HAHN (1831-1891). In 1848 Hahn fled from her native Russia to escape from an arranged marriage with an older man, and during her wanderings in Europe she was introduced to the teachings of the English group the HERMETIC ORDER OF LUXOR.
This group had been assembled by individuals who also claimed Masonic Rosicrucian contacts, as did Le Plongeon, and they also proclaimed a doctrine of reincarnation, but they also claimed
a special relationship with certain "ascended masters" who had favored them with special insights.

So far, so bad, but the founders of the Hermetic Order of Luxor went on to combine this rather delusional doctrine with the horrendously bad geology of one SAMPSON ARNOLD MACKEY, who had concluded after a study of the shifts in the ancient zodiac that
the Earth's poles had shifted due to the rotational imbalances caused by ice accumulations at the poles. In point of physical fact, no amount of ice accumulating at the poles would be able
to generate the physical force required to shift the Earth's crust to such a degree.

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The myth of Phaeton has been recently rekindled by the publishing of an amateur ancient impact hypothesis in an archeological peer-reviewed journal:

Shortly after my buddy Jeff Medkeff died in 2008, a joint book review of ours was published in Skeptic Magazine. Here we criticised a book by Alan Bond and Mark Hempsell, two aeronautics engineers, where they claimed that a 7th century BC cuneiform tablet from Mesopotamia described an asteroid striking the Austrian Alps in 3123 BC. Their argument was in our opinion extremely speculative or pseudoscientific, regardless of whether you saw it from an astronomical, geological or archaeological point of view.

Bond & Hempsell self-published their book. But to my surprise, the summer issue of the prestigious archaeology quarterly Antiquity contains a paper on a similar topic. The head author is one Barbara Rappenglück who gives her affiliation as the Centre for Interdisciplinary Studies in Gilching, Bavaria (pop. 17 000).

Briefly, Rappenglück et al. argue that the Greek myth of Phaëton joy-riding and crashing the sun chariot records a meteorite strike in the Chiemgau region in Bavaria some time in the Bronze Age. In their opinion, details in the various versions of the story found in Greek and Roman literature all agree with the circumstances of that strike.

Rappenglück et al.'s case is stronger than Bond & Hempsell's in that the written sources they appeal to are not difficult to understand on the level of basic language, and the myth of Phaeton is quite likely to have been in existence about the time of the alleged meteorite strike. Overall, they also present and discuss their evidence in a far more sober manner than Bond & Hempsell. It's not a crazy paper. But nor do I find it convincing.

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red pill junkie wrote:

The myth of Phaeton has been recently rekindled by the publishing of an amateur ancient impact hypothesis in an archeological peer-reviewed journal:

Shortly after my buddy Jeff Medkeff died in 2008, a joint book review of ours was published in Skeptic Magazine. Here we criticised a book by Alan Bond and Mark Hempsell, two aeronautics engineers, where they claimed that a 7th century BC cuneiform tablet from Mesopotamia described an asteroid striking the Austrian Alps in 3123 BC. Their argument was in our opinion extremely speculative or pseudoscientific, regardless of whether you saw it from an astronomical, geological or archaeological point of view.

Bond & Hempsell self-published their book. But to my surprise, the summer issue of the prestigious archaeology quarterly Antiquity contains a paper on a similar topic. The head author is one Barbara Rappenglück who gives her affiliation as the Centre for Interdisciplinary Studies in Gilching, Bavaria (pop. 17 000).

Briefly, Rappenglück et al. argue that the Greek myth of Phaëton joy-riding and crashing the sun chariot records a meteorite strike in the Chiemgau region in Bavaria some time in the Bronze Age. In their opinion, details in the various versions of the story found in Greek and Roman literature all agree with the circumstances of that strike.

Rappenglück et al.'s case is stronger than Bond & Hempsell's in that the written sources they appeal to are not difficult to understand on the level of basic language, and the myth of Phaeton is quite likely to have been in existence about the time of the alleged meteorite strike. Overall, they also present and discuss their evidence in a far more sober manner than Bond & Hempsell. It's not a crazy paper. But nor do I find it convincing.

More here.

Hi RPJ -

Radlof cited several ancient impact myths, combined them together, and added his own impossible physics.

I'll agree with the reviewer, in as much as the myth of Phaethon is probably not related to the Cheimgau impact, but rather to another earlier impact event. As the reviewer put it "was likely to have been in existence".

Its too bad that I had a stroke, and was unable to write "Man and Impact in Europe".

The CIS was the first group to examine comet impacts seriously.

So far, the impacts documented in Man and Impact in the Americas are holding up very well in archaeological, geological, and astronomical points of view.

It's always nice when anyone tells me I wrote a Great Book, but particularly nice when I'm told that by Native Americans and experts in those fields.

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I am at a loss as to how I should respond to this amazing collection of data retrieved during the course of this project.

On the one hand, it is so simple and breathtaking, yet ultra-climatic and intimidating. On the other, it is perhaps the most frightening information that I have ever learned, and still, I am compelled to maintain my composure when informing others of this abstruse information. It is indeed a heavy burden to know that this totally succinct information is truth personified and reinforced. The truth is inherent within the products and presence of its existence, which are manifestly beyond our comprehension, or our powers of technological development. Yet, we are on the threshold. The very sequence of events displayed to us fairly screams of the unalterable Truth! I, and all others involved in this project, know this event is beyond passion — it is a singularity in the history of our kind. I am beginning to feel as if I am finally learning what kind we really are!

I have worked on this project for two years, and it seems I have been pointed to this end since my beginnings. My feelings at this point, this moment, are indescribable: Never have I felt such sensations in all my existence! My mentality fairly reels with the magnitude of this precious lore as found within its metaphysical underpinnings. This story is too good to experience as reality; it is a fairy tale come true — such does not exist in this sphere.

These recent weeks of constant break-throughs have caused my mentality to actually develop into pains of the head, from contemplation upon this arcane assemblage’s repercussions upon human events. It is a true event of such dimensions that it is astronomically beyond everyday, or even super-conceptual reality.

To speak so frankly in this manner is certainly out of academic character, but I know of no other means to convey the importance of this project under these extenuating circumstances. I am going to speak conceptually here, for I think the related data of our attempts at studying Mars — the landings, and all of Anjona’s references to the fourth planet — are extremely revealing as to the truth of this Scepter’s download to us. There are many deprogramming entanglements that plague the average human mind. Such as Anjona’s references to "our probes" on or near his Hytona world at a date we cannot now relate to, yet unless this reference is recent, it could not refer to today’s date. He must have been referencing a "probe" at another point in the history of the Earth. This would mean that Earth has been, in the past, as advanced as we are today, or more so. There is some evidence that supports this.

One other possibility could be that Anjona could see into the future and "knows" our stage of development at present. Considering the constant references to Timelessness and Limitlessness, this vision of the future may be accessible to the Omegon mentality for alteration or improvement. Certainly these current events impacting us seem to be known to them across time.

We are quite certain that the reference point in space of Claronu’s survey is the asteroid belt that lies between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. I believe he calls Jupiter Egog, a pony-sun for deep space an idea not lost on writers of today. An interesting coincidence. Conventional wisdom has long held that it (asteroid belt) represents a failed attempt at planetary formation, with no explanation of why this material failed to accrete into a planet. It seems that all our earlier ideas of this system are wrong.

This asteroid belt currently has enough material to configure and amass a planetary sphere the size of Earth or thereabouts. Apparently, according to the message of Claronu, it was once the world of the Enmayi and the site of the first Logos — Reason, or the Icon called the Hand that Sees – Enigmni. It was constructed by increasingly solid mattered light beings (archetypes) and it was the first artifact of existence in our solar system. We are the remains of the Omegons and the Enmayi misplaced to this once Gardened Planet some four million years ago. We must be their children – or we are they!

According to this survey, the beings on the Enmayi Planet were, for millions of years (orbits and years do not equate to our system of time necessarily), caught in a developmental eddy that kept them in a reoccurring "total state" of male and female aspects, existing in one body form: chromosomes XX and XY in one individual. Our only data on such a possibility here on Earth, other than an occasional random case of such today, can be found in ancient Egyptian history. In the Divine Pomander, attributed to Thoth, who was reported to have lived thousands of years before vanishing, references to beings of both sexes in one were the originators of our civilization. In Thoth’s many books or scrolls (he wrote 3,600), this god of wisdom stated that God (Typhon’s or Takion's account) created them male and female in one. Many Egyptian artifacts support this metaphysical point of view that some construe as fact. Later the split came on another world or period. The Enmayi history states the identical thesis!

In my estimation, Omegons could represent the sublime evidences of the beings we have found throughout history that come down to Earth and attempt to save humanity from itself. We find references to these beings in every tradition of all cultures: Sumerian, Egyptian, Etruscan, Roman, Mayan, and others as background deities to the major players. All of these "hidden" beings seem to have capabilities beyond normal human abilities. Omegons were the Angels, who were of no particular gender — perhaps they were the enigmatic YY beings, or the giants of the ancient Peruvians who came to establish this world. Angels are often referred to as the "Watchers" of whom Anjona speaks. Watchers are also mentioned in the old Book of Enoch. Christ even referred to Enoch, yet his book did not make the testaments of the Churches. Enoch sounds too much like a space being for most theologians, and has been given the "evil eye." There are the tales of Gilgamesh, which are also filled with an abundance of higher beings with capabilities such as the Omegons.

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Look up Rahab: 5th Planet from the Sun. There are biblical accounts, but many cultural perspectives of the same occurance. Here's some research at http://holylife.healingmindn.com/Rahab.html

Healing Thoughts, HealingMindN

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Yes, Rahab is a Biblical rendition of Tiamat.
http://www.dailygrail.com/Guest-Articles...

Issachar is a Biblical counterpart of Osiris/Dionysos. And Moses (Akhenaten) shares characteristics with Benjamin and Phaeton.

But even if there was a twin star, is it still out there or was it destroyed as the myths seem to indicate?

I always considered Akhenaten to be typecast as Re, and that must still be at least partly true. (Louis XIV was called the "Sun King". Old institutions die hard!) But Akhenaten's role playing seems also to have incorporated traits of a twin sun, a celestial body whose rise was brief but brilliant and whose demise was meteoritic.

Some do think that the light of our twin sun went out but it remains as a brown dwarf star (or something akin to it). It was then not literally destroyed or refashioned as inner planets and moons. And if so, then it will probably be found by the WISE telescope. It also follows that the body that purportedly destroyed the "5th Planet" may have only been under the gravitational spell of that twin sun and was not the twin sun itself. It may have been a planet or planetoid with a long, eccentric orbit such as those recently discovered, namely Sedna and Eris/Xenia.

Whatever happened, it certainly had the undying interest of the ancients.

And look at us. We're still space trippin'.

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Ya know, I have to call BS on this astroid belt thing. The controllers show us cartoon animated images of a dense belt of rocks swirling around between mars and saturn. Now, the fakers at nasa sent how many little bitty billion dollar space probes through it without getting em scratched or smashed by all those rocks spinning and rotating wildly about bumpin into one another and bla bla bla. Ya, its like that, smoke and mirrors, the glory of man stories to tell your kids.

Those little bitty space craft can snap pictures of mars, saturn, neptune and uranus on the way out but can't snap a couple of the astroid belt.

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Much of this information is coming to higher meaning in my estimation, almost as if I am seeing the records of all our past history through a thinly woven veil. Linkage of our past is a dovetail joint to these records and with what we now have discovered in the landings on Mars, and those currently in flight to that planet as we speak, great discoveries are about to happen. Some believe we (or some mentality) have been there before. There are many unknowns, which we have discovered on Mars that are truly question marks in the scientific community’s decipherment of current data. Something happened there millions years ago that could suggest a form of life...or existence.

I recall that recently, two of our colleagues discovered what they considered life-like elements in samples taken from known asteroids from that very belt. These fragments were taken from Siberia and analyzed only two years ago. Two Russian scientists also found such evidence in the 1980s. The recent find asserts, after testing, that within a range of from 4 to 6 million years ago there was a planetoid that was associated with organic material somehow during that slice of time. In fact, their samples showed more conclusive evidence for life than the particles found in our section of Antarctica, which were believed to be ejecta from Mars at that same time period, indicating some conflagration during that period.

The dating for human-like life on Earth is close to four million years, yet Omegons said they had been here many millions of orbits (their’s, our’s?) prior to the introduction of Koan’s and Planca's arrival. I believe Omegons do not leave behind any evidence of their departure form this physical life. I think, after hearing of Claronu’s departure, that they are in a rapid state of dissolution at that point. Nothing of them other than their works would ever be found. Vaporization!

We can only speculate on these matters, and nothing is really conclusive. However, we can note that the physical anthropologists have been notably unsuccessful in proving that human beings evolved here on Earth, even though there are great similarities between Homo sapiens sapiens and the terrestrial primates. Where are our ancestors? We review the records and evidence for the Neanderthal (Neandertal per latest convention), the Cro-Magnon and other early types, and yet, we cannot state emphatically that we are their children. The message recorded by Claronu indicates quite explicitly that the savants of old were extremely expert in genetic engineering; their knowledge of the Moiré Arena and All. And this provides a possible explanation for the many traces of different versions of early man in geologic record. We are left with the conclusion that the past four million years of Earth’s history was a vast exercise in the "virtual" manipulation of genetic elements and principles. It is possible, since nothing is conclusive and this find seems real, that we are the results of "highly placed" genetic engineering. Perhaps we are the products of our own re-engineering of ourselves to accommodate the dictates of this planet’s environment or some other demand. With all the cloning and genetic manipulation that we are involved in today, legally and illegally, one cannot discount the fact that we may have built ourselves — perhaps with Omegon help.

I am of the opinion that we beings are capable of assuming just about any kind of genetic formation according to new research, and that is exactly what we are seeing reflected to us today in this material form the other side of Time.

There are new studies of the surface of the Earth that demonstrate our current dating system may be in error, considering the new evidences that are flooding from fresh finds. Recent studies of the ocean depths show very ancient potential for out-of-time restructuring that would push humanity back to the four million years needed for Anjona’s words. Those explorations of the deepest sectors show that many areas of the planet were above water at different times in history. Many portions of the Earth’s crust now exposed, were conversely, below the oceans in the past. The Water Displacement Theory of Orion von Koch, or what some pundits call the "Waterbed Theory" of Earth Tectonics, indicates that when the poles shifted numerous times over the last millions of years, new icecaps formed over the new sites of magnetic-stabilization or the poles. These changes that now are proven facts, were once considered Ice Ages by the old scientific community. These Ice Ages never existed — only the Earth has presented that illusion to us as it sought to gain its new balance after each of these continent-busting catastrophes.

Koch’s theory, though sounding flippant when referred to as the "Waterbed Theory," is entirely relevant when likened to a vast plastic or fluid substructure of lava, water and liquefying land masses, reacting to the gravity and electromagnetic forces that impact systems in chaotic flux during popular-exchange. The surface rolls under the great weight of semi-frozen water and landmass, pressing down the plasticized surfaces, via tsunamis of gunk and debris that follow the evolution of the punctuated events. I have experienced this feeling in my own waterbed, when I roll over and cause things to shift that lie elsewhere on the bed. This action exposes the new lands, once seabed, to the light of day and rearranges past continents into subsurfaces of mud or new seas, which are usually inaccessible to most technological investigation.

Bone and human artifacts have recently been found in these areas that date to extremely ancient periods for the Neandertals and even some Cro-Magnons. As recently as 1980, Neandertal bodies with fresh flesh have been found in the Gobi, but the evidence was suppressed and only mentioned in a popular archaeological publication. I know this happened for the scientists involved were friends. There are some who have even seen these Neandertals from a distance. I believe they are still with us. I feel they are the direct genetic links to the ancient Enmayi.

Though these ooparts are out of sequence, and are veritable agglomerations from some chaotic events, which we do not understand, I believe that we are in the wrong temporal frame with our timetables, and Anjona’s data is increasingly correct. Though what would humanity do for four million years — camp out in the woods, or live at ease in a Garden where everything is provided day end and day out! This would have been the "valley region" Anjona refers to. It must have been a large area to contain the beginnings of history and then — "poof" out of this world.

I fear that Academia, broadcasting a politically correct message from its Ivory Towers, prefers to scoff at all new evidence out of an abject laziness, rather than work for the truth. Of course, I know that all the current knowledge involving our world scientific community is held in an equilibrium of political leveraging that is perhaps oversold and even unbreakable. The powers that seem outside of our everyday lives are always at work behind the scenes maintaining the status quo so that no surprises will dislocate their efforts at a "planned" One World City. Although, on August 9, 2001, they were somewhat unable to hide an event that truly shook humanity awake. The little conjunctional alignments of asteroids thought not to be of any significance at least showed some potential of what could have happened. I remember when this event was prophesied in T. C. Overstreet's book, Crux of Becoming, in 1999. This is when my political mind began to waver.

When major asteroids began to align and then broke free of the old Enmayi orbit, things began to take place politically that awakened the world to a potential that seems to have periodic impact to the normally stable rotation of earth. If anything, the awareness the event created was excellent for those of us who know a different scientific reality. Even now, while global quakes and volcanic activity are increasing and may seem tied to the potential of that passed event, I tremble at the thought of what could have happened. It was an event totally unknown until recent times.

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Why were ancient cultures so consumed by the Asteroid Belt? And how would they have known anything about it to begin with? The obsession is strange but it certainly ain't BS. And it is certainly something for us to still be concerned about today!

Our tidy little planetary system was marred by some traumatic event, and one that has created a trail of tears ever since. Weeping was a salient characteristic of the Osiris religion. Osiris was the beautiful god, whose brilliant career was nipped in the bud. Interestingly enough, grieving was a significant aspect of the Phaethon myth as well (and as in the Osiris religion, especially grieving by women). The sun god Helios grieves before and after the wild ride of his over-ambitious son. Likewise, Jacob grieves bitterly over the perceived loss of his youngest son Benjamin.

The Phaethon myth also links with that of Biblical Moses. Phaethon became an adopted prince of Ethiopia/Nubia, just as Moses (according to the Talmud). Phaethon brings great tribulation upon the land. So does Moses. Phaethon turns the sea into dry land. Phaethon is accompanied by pillars of smoke and of fire. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Moses was therefore a type of "Toxic Avenger" in the order of Phaethon/Horus. However, in royal typecasting, the role of Moses was sacrificial. It absorbed the bad elements of both the sun god Re and the mighty champion Horus. Those princes that were saddled with the Moses role, such as Akhenaten, were considered accursed. Similarly, Phaethon was made the companion of Epaphos (Horus) rather than an alias of Epaphos.

To confuse things further, the name of Icarus (who also wildly flew too close to the sun before crashing and burning) appears to be an anagram of Issachar and Sokar. Was there really any difference between the fifth planet and the twelfth planet?

Christianity was the culmination of this cosmic theorizing. In that latest formulation, the Osiris figure (John the Baptist) had to decrease (literally be beheaded) in order for the Horus/Benjamin figure (Jesus) to increase. (In Egyptian myth, Horus was not born until just after Osiris was murdered.) And yet it was necessary for the light of the Horus to also be prematurely snuffed out. Jesus also melds the mythical roles of Horus with that of Osiris/Issachar and the mad Phaethon/Moses.

What is going on here? Why are major religions fashioned after a presumed slap shot through our solar system's "five-hole"? It's definitely a mystery. Either the event occurred relatively recently or it is passed down to mankind through an extra-terrestrial source. I presently lean toward the latter explanation. It appears to be part of that "broad understanding" that the gods "perfected" toward man. In other words, it was included in a system of knowledge that eventually deteriorated into cruel superstition.

Did ancient man get that basic knowledge originally through "channeling" or more directly from "ancient astronauts"? That's a rhetorical question. I don't expect anybody to answer that. But it seems to me there should be a few things we can deduce from ancient myth and modern archaeology.

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We are leftovers from a very ancient time and we are not just the entities who occupy these forms we call humans. We are the minds who are making use of this physical system. Once, we knew it all before getting sidetracked by our own selfishness. Soon we will awaken again and will be back to the primary mission.

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Well, I'm looking forward to getting back into the missionary position very soon!

The human race must be like the character Wimp Lo in the movie Kung Pow. We were "trained wrong as a joke".

See video

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Very interesting simulation of known asteroids featured among the news today at The Daily Grail:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/a...

To access the simulation, scroll to the bottom of the article and activate the video. Place in full-screen mode for best effect.