Reincarnation
Posted by daydreamer at 15:11, 27 Apr 2010I was just mulling on this. We've all heard a million stories about past lives and religions believing in reincarnation, but the linear nature of it is quite apparent.
Given the fun coming out of combinations of quantum mechanics and spirituality is this linear nature something that is going to become a bit of a throwback to our unimaginative past?
There's plenty of available interpretative space in QM to allow for non-linear reincarnation. Have people heard about future-life regression?
Do people believe we can have had one life 200 years ago, then the next in 1000 years time, then jump back to 12,000 years ago, then jump to now in this life? I see no problem with it conceptually.
I guess my question is has anybody read about this? If the prevalence of stories of reincarnation are linear past to present stories why do people think this might be so? Then from a more mundane point of view why might the brain be less able to conjure future life stories (i can't see why it might) if indeed it is conjuring past life ones or might it be the lack of imagination in those asking the questions? Are they just not asking about people’s future-lives?
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12 April 2007
3 min 37 sec
I think I once watched a TV show where they mentioned something about that. Some person being able to view (recall?) a future life where there would be no wars and euthanasia would be seen as something rather trivial. So is that an utopia or a dystopia?
Maybe the reason we can recall future lives is the same we can't remember future events. Maybe it's easier for the human mind to see things that are behind us.
It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
22 November 2004
5 weeks 17 hours
If we abandon the concept of linear time for the purpose of considering multiple lives of the same person, should we not also abandon the restriction that the person can have only one life at the same time?
More formally, we gave up the requirement that for two points in time, T1 and T2, we can decide whether T1 < T2 or T1 > T2. Can we still decide if T1 = T2? If so, why do we need that?
The problem with stories about life in out future probably comes from our minds interpreting and expressing everything in terms of our present experience. This limits what we can recognize as a story of a future life, and this includes the story teller.
Actually I had a thought not entirely unrelated to this, it has to do with the multiple universe interpretation of quantum stuff, and the wave theory of light and particles.
Recall the double slit experiments and their ilk. They show that the photon (or electron, and it works with other particles too) appears in more than one place at the same time.
Of course you guessed it, it does no such thing. The photon or electron appears in exactly one spot in one universe. It just appears to be creating the wave diffraction pattern because the observer is smeared across a very large number of these universes.
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We are the cat.
12 April 2007
3 min 37 sec
The thought had occurred to me once that through dreams one could access those alternate lives you speak of. I have sometimes felt that I had the chance to glimpse another 'me' when I was dreaming.
And this was before I saw Avatar, I swear! :)
It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
22 November 2004
5 weeks 17 hours
I have many dreams of being in other places, with different people. Some of them I know, some I don't. Some of those places exist, others don't as far as I know. Most places are separate known places glued together - I'm in a house in Germany, and step out of the door to Florida, then turn a corner to California.
But I never dream about the place that I'm actually at. Never.
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We are the cat.
12 April 2007
3 min 37 sec
I think other considerations we should explore in this topic is the Einsteinian relativity of time. The idea that Einstein proposed that there is not an "absolute" time frame in the Universe.
Also, it occurred to me: how does it affect us in our subjective perception of Time the fact that Gravity can influence it?
It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
6 April 2010
1 hour 2 min
I believe some minds can see into the future, as with the case of Nostradamus and Edward Cacey. Even though it wasn't their own lives, in a way, that they were often seeing the future of, they were seeing events that would impact there lives. If Plato were on this site topic, he would probably reference what he wrote in Book VIII (I think) of The Republic about how we must choose our next lives by drawing lots. Many "spirits," like those of Agamemnon, chose the lives of animals, in his case a hawk, because of the influence humans had on his life. Meanwhile animals chose human lives (poor things). The past or former life then becomes connected to the new life and becomes the guide or "daemon" of the new one. If we could see our future lives, than we would have already chosen them, which would not make any sense because we do not know how our current lives will affect our outlook for the new ones.
Now that being said I do believe that the past lives of an individual do more than guide the current life. Sometimes they seem to "come out" especially in artwork. I had a philosophy professor who showed us some of his artwork and as he was showing the class his works he stood back and couldn't believe that he painted that. He was seeing things that appeared in his paintings that he never intended on painting. And I have also seen this in my own work. For some reason I am able to illustrate birds very well without any original knowledge of the anatomy of these animals.
Now back on the subject of the future lives. If we could see our future lives would we decide to become them. Would the wolf, for example, choose to be a human if he knew he'd become a philosophy professor (which is by his own belief the spirit guide of my teacher)? Would the criminal choose to be the falcon or tulip? if we know what our next lives could be rather than what they become, we may have a harder time choosing. In the end, it is up to us during the current life to make our own decisions and life path. i can't say if Plato's interpretation of the next life is accurate and if we get to choose the next life, or if your actions control your next life path. But I do think that the point is to just do the best in this current life and don't worry about the next one. Perhaps remembering the past life is a natural defense mechanism that guides us to knowledge, which occasionally resurfaces, that we lost in the astro-transfer. An instinct to remind of us ancient wisdom or "daemon" as the Greeks called, it.
Example of artwork that I asked my "better half" to draw:
http://api.ning.com/files/vyvu3sZ8RertB0...
"Following the dog’s example, you will have to be wise in sniffing, smelling and estimating these fine and meaty books...after which you should break the bone and suck the substantial marrow..." ~ Rabelais
1 May 2004
11 weeks 4 days
firstly, if you believe in reincarnation then you believe in the soul. If you believe in the soul then you believe in transfer after the death of the body or vehicle.
Why do you not remember, well if you did then you would go crazy and not experience this life.
I like this analogy, the soul is a nerve ending of the all or creator force. The purpose is to experience the creation but in a very complicated way. That is to give the soul carrier free will and soverienty over it's experience. This allows a new experience everytime in a different way because nothing is remembered or pre-planed.
Animals are not soul carriers so we can not reincarnate as an animal. But there are many thousands of planets with soul carriers so the choice of any of these is possible.
As for time, future or past, the inviroment of the soul has no time that we understand in this realm so future past and present is like an instant. The soul is also vast so many lives could be experienced at the same time.
Some remember why they decided on this life but that is rare. The 8 year old boy from Mars is a very good example of remembering a past life that was not of this planet. Intuitions, dreams and other insights are snippets of past, future lives and also the tapping in on the akashic records or temporal global conciousness of the accumulated experiences of generations.
Thoth mentions in the Emerald Tablets how to pass away and remember. But I don't think it is a natual thing to remember or we would. Put it this way, if you have had hundreds of lives and experienced different in everyone of them,and you remembered them all, how would you be able to have anything remotely like a normal life this time around, you couldn't, so forget is the only way.
"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.
12 April 2007
3 min 37 sec
Something else occurred to me:
Statistically speaking, it would be more likely to 'recall' future lives, for the simple fact that there will be more humans living in the future than the amount that have already lived and died in the history of the planet.
This idea of hundreds of past lives is problematic because of that fact. During 90% of the history of our species, the amount of humans populating the planet is barely comparable to the number of humans living today.
So, either some of the billions of folks' 'souls' around us came from elsewhere, or the human experience is the next level of existence after cockroaches —which would make a lot of sense, actually ;)
It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!
Red Pill Junkie
22 November 2004
5 weeks 17 hours
If we follow the original post's suggestion, and further assume that a given period of history is as good as any other for purposes of the soul, we don't have a problem with varying the number of live people over time.
And there is even less of a problem if we don't assume that at any given time 1 humans = 1 soul. The same soul might be shared by more than one human, literature is full of stories about that. Some of the more infamous humans might not have a soul at all.
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We are the cat.
6 April 2010
1 hour 2 min
[Animals are not soul carriers so we can not reincarnate as an animal. But there are many thousands of planets with soul carriers so the choice of any of these is possible.]
Unfortunately you could really never know the truth in this only an opinion or subconscious thought. I'd like to gather that for those who believe that human beings have souls they also might believe their dog has one and therefore can go through the same transfer as we do. Not believing that an animal has a soul is often the excuse humans have used for using animals as a tool for human kind throughout the centuries. The religions and societies that have thrived with a solid belief in reincarnation and animism, Buddhism for example, seem to remember, or better yet, still use the knowledge from their "past lives" whether or not they remember it.
[But I don't think it is a natural thing to remember or we would. Put it this way, if you have had hundreds of lives and experienced different in everyone of them,and you remembered them all, how would you be able to have anything remotely like a normal life this time around, you couldn't, so forget is the only way.]
The definition of "normal" can vary. No I wouldn't be a boring slack jawed idiot of which many humans living around me are. But my beliefs have not created an unusual being, but an inspired one. In a way your right, there would be no point in remembering a past experience because you obviously can't change it and learning from it is pointless in this day and age. I'd like to think that my way of life is normal, but then again I'm not looking into my life from the point of view of the observer. the point is to live in this current life to the fullest and not to worry about what happened, but it would be interesting to know if it's true. But we can never know that, even if we think we remember, nor can we know if we have souls. It's only a thought, another useless by product of having a bigger brain than every other "dumb" animal on earth. ;)
"Following the dog’s example, you will have to be wise in sniffing, smelling and estimating these fine and meaty books...after which you should break the bone and suck the substantial marrow..." ~ Rabelais
21 February 2009
2 days 17 hours
I suppose with regard to memory we should bare in mind that we don't really remember very much from yesterday, never mind from 5, or 25 years ago.
Quite possibly no special rules are needed to explain why we don't really remember past lives (past as in our past sequence of lives - not implying past/future).
3 March 2008
23 hours 33 min
Considering the amount of probable occurrences of life in the Universe (the one observable to us), "Home Planet" for a soul sounds like a rag doll.
Some refreshing ideas on reIncarnation (with a capital "I") came from Grant Morrison:
http://www.evolver.net/user/anopinmind/b...
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26 June 2005
3 days 2 hours
Hi Daydreamer,
Your question is one I've pondered on often. Many years ago ... in the early 1980's ... I picked up a book by Jane Roberts called the Seth Material.I wasn't too comfortable with what has since become known as "channelled" material but the quality of the content impressed me no matter where it actually came from.
I'm sure there will be people here who will have read the Seth books ("Seth Speaks" being the most popular and a comprehensive introduction). The material puts reincarnation at the centre of the whole philosophical debate in the sense that it is crucial to understanding the big picture. To Seth, what we call time is simultaneous thus reincarnational lives are too. 1966 is merely a sidestep away from 1066.
I don't have time or space to explain it all in detail but I would urge you to read that one book ("Seth Speaks") just to familiarise yourself with what has become the bedrock of most of the more informed New Age material. I know that it may be anathema to a rationalist such as yourself to dangle your toes in enemy waters but you might be surprised at the quality of some of the science discussed therein, quite apart from the more esoteric stuff. Certainly I believe it impressed Quantum Physicist Fred Alan Wolf enough to lend his name and efforts to promoting the books (much to the obvious detriment to his own reputation among his colleagues).
Having said all that, I have always been careful not to ascribe infallibility to the material. There are parts of it that I find dubious and there must be some areas which have been "lost in translation". Nevertheless, I still recommend it unreservedly.
Regards,
Dave.
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21 February 2009
2 days 17 hours
Cheers Dave,
I have added it to a new list of books to read.
1 May 2004
11 weeks 4 days
personaly Dave, I wouldn't discard this material at all. I had personal experience with channelling in 1986, although I didn't realise it at that time. It had such a profound impact on my life so much that it brought about a rather sudden end to my marriage. Looking back now I understand it a lot better but then I had very little knowledge and no understanding of channelling at all.
I keep a very open mind on this subject and I find the "Abraham" material to be accurate on so many levels that it would be very hard to discard any of it.
I find profound answers to a lot of these questions we ask here by means of the "Lyricus" teaching order.
This material gives a very good perspective on life, the soul and the WHY of all.
I think daydreamer would be open to the possibility of entities channelling understanding to us mere mortals.
"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.
22 October 2009
14 weeks 3 days
The ability to create narratives is one that has formed the mainstay of human culture. Almost all of us have the 'gift': we may write great works of literature or merely give account of the sort of day we have had.
Suppose we do have many lives (or at least more than one). What form might memories of this take? To construct the narrative we make use of the familiar, even if we are lauded for our wild imagination - our most fantastical of imagined creatures have a basis in experience even if merely form and shape. It is therefore not unreasonable to suggest that confused snippets of memory of our 'other' lives would be assembled into narrative form, making use of what is familiar - for most, the past. So when Jane Evans recalled living in 15th century France and this lacked confirmation, perhaps it was a narraive construct mixing the real with the imagined, possibly of a future life. Where these seemingly do check out, this could be a 'past' life.
Another possibility is that our memories of future lives are disguised as third person in dreams. Another that some of our most startling of science fiction writers, often praised for their uncanny ability to pre-empt technological advance, are able to 'tap in' unconsciously to their memories of futire lives and this comes out as imaginings.
Maybe the reason some people can write extraordinary literary works and others such third rate tripe is becasue our literary heroes have simply lived more lives and thus have more hidden memory to work with.
Or maybe it is all rubbish.
21 February 2009
2 days 17 hours
A nice idea.
I like the implications for cross cultural dissemination of experience as well as those maybe for cross species and even cross-alien life.