Quarks And Irish Literature!

Quarks are a building blocks of matter, i.e. protons and nutrons. But, the word "Quark" does not come from science. It comes from Irish Literatury, James Joyce's story "Finnigan's Wake"! Does anyone know the origional meaning of the word? Could it have been a monitary unit, weight, etc.?

What do you think?

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C's picture
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it happens in the pub of HCE who is being waked,
though it could just have been a pint.

The poetry of it is particularly dense and is
best read aloud. I think its three cheers, but am nearly
always wrong.

HCE has an interesting life anyway, what with the
whole Joycean obelisk thing going on and the
big erection he gets when he falls. A bit like the
fall of empire- the actual fall is a word consisting of
one hundred letters!

The place names:- Phoenix park. Chapelizod.
Adam and Eve's Church. etc wd keep ye going.

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C

That helps!

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quark_(cheese)

A type of fresh cheese. Dictionaries usually translate it as curd cheese. It is soft, white and unaged, similar to cream cheese, pot cheese, or ricotta, and is a member of the acid cheese group.[1] Because quark is consumed without aging, in the United States the milk must first be pasteurized. Once the milk is ready, lactic acid bacteria is created by adding mesophilic lactococcus starting culture. -----------------------------Truth is stranger than fiction.

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I think the cheese is the most likely explanation. They made up the literary reference after the fact.

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meetings, n.:
Where minutes are kept, and hours are lost.

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Joyce's influence is also evident in fields other than literature. The phrase "Three Quarks for Muster Mark" in Joyce's Finnegans Wake is often called the source of the physicists' word "quark", the name of one of the main kinds of elementary particles, proposed by the physicist Murray Gell-Mann. (James Gleick's book Genius notes that Gell-Mann may have found the Joycean antecedent after the fact; as Gleick observes, physicists have pronounced quark to rhyme with cork and not with Mark. It may be noted, however, against Gleick's speculation, that the discoverers of quarks were Americans who would have pronounced quark in the American, not the Irish accent.) The French philosopher Jacques Derrida has written a book on the use of language in Ulysses, and the American philosopher Donald Davidson has written similarly on Finnegans Wake in comparison with Lewis Carroll. Vladimir Nabokov esteemed Ulysses greatly, listing it with Franz Kafka's "The Metamorphosis" as one of the 20th century's greatest prose works. However, Nabokov was less than thrilled with Finnegans Wake (see Strong Opinions, The Annotated Lolita or Pale Fire), an attitude which Jorge Luis Borges shared.
http://www.readeasily.com/james-joyce/in...
This excerpt is the next to the last paragraph on that page.

The concept of the quark was first proposed by Murray Gell-Mann and George Zweig (b. 1937); its name was taken from James Joyce's novel Finnegans Wake.
http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1B1-3762... -----------------------------Truth is stranger than fiction.

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Thank-you very much!

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o well...

though the stuff on cain and abel, shem and shaun
and the seven sisters etc, etc, is open to any number of
interpretations- ye know.

Chapelizod- which still exsists. chapel of isolde.
I have to read it again but it gives headaches.

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Guys (Non-Gender)

You have been very helpful! Thank-you very much!

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I can't comment on Irish literature but I will say that the Irish are responsible for music such as pop and rock as we know it.....very dancy happy people.

But anyway, quarks! what can I say..a concept of sub-atomic matter. The only definite known in atomic structure is that when an atom is fired through Argon gas, it sheds electrons that can be gathered and the charge determined.
All other is conjecture to fit a model. When a atom appears to bounce off other atoms, it is deemed to be of the same charge.....but when it appears to go through the gaps, it is deemed to be of the opposite charge. Simple really. But I must say this....these are only trace observations in material or medium that show a reaction. It does not show the atom itself.
It is postulated that quarks travel in pairs but are in protons and neutrons in triples. Combined by gluons that are in triples as well. These are all inside the nucleus of an atom that we can't yet see.....hhmmmmmm.
So with Bossons, quarks, gluons, protons, neutrons and a few more funny names, we have a very busy atom. Around the atom we have the orbit of electrons.
All this is held together by "the strong nuclear force", a term made up to explain why it all holds together.
Mind you...I take my hat off to all scientists.
They spend money wisely to give us understanding of what could be if we could actually see it.
Painting an apple is hard if you have only ever seen an orange!

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cnnek, I forgot to mention in that last post......QUARKS are in threes in side protons....when quarks were first seen (or percieved to be seen), or rather seen then not seen, they kept disappearing. So, they named "up quarks" and "down quarks".
This explained the disappearing act. But then we have anti-up quarks and anti-down quarks that if come together will cancel each other out.
Maybe this is the link to Irish heritage......lets face it, we all know an Irish joke...;-{)

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Floppy

But, scientific experiments seem to verify the theory! On the other hand, the experiments are designed to validate the theory. So, the question is,"How valid are the experiments?"

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...mathamatics........all explained by figures and calculations...fine but,if you had one rock or ten rocks or a million rocks, to the universe you have a lot of rocks. We explain how many rocks you have by inventing a language to explain the amount.

So what came first. A lot of rocks or a million rocks.
Its the same thing but we have a means of communicating the amount of rocks.
Numbers are human made and not the "be it all" of life and physics.

Don't be traped by what we know as to what is.

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Floppy

In Physics, field theories are the central focus! The math merely helps explain them.

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I think the word is an acronym: Queer Unknown Apparent Residents Kid-you-not.

Apologies! Kathrinn

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makes as much sence as any scientific theory....best you rush along to your nearest "peers" to get validation.

Hell! I can see a nobel prize comming your way....

OOOOPPPPPSSSSSS, sorry kathrinn, almost put my tongue through my cheek then.

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