Flight 93 in 911, 2001 - Shanksville PA, targeted site from the start ? Perhaps Ancient Egyptian symbolism

its my opinion that flight 93 in 911 2001 where the plane that crash near Shanksville, PA
area may of been a targeted site from the start when one thinks of the symbolism involved and events.
1 the symbolism at the site,
2 the above - below relationships,
3 the flight path, city names and what they reference, star names,
4 even the transcripts can sugguest it may of been.

I had a dream 1 week before 911 about the hi-jacking, but it didn't depic the towers falling.
I had my reasons for not looking abit closer at certain things until jan 2012.
Im shocked no one else had care to even think of it of flight 93 and shanksville pa being a targeted site.

I Believe there is a chance the city name of "Shanksville" may be a symbolic TO relate to Ancient Egypt symbolism of the 'FORESHANK constellation' also known as the "Bull’s Thigh" which ( ties in with bulls leg - seth, god of confusion.).
- the Foreshank constellation is the big dipper stars.

The Shanksville city name isnt the only thing that relates to the the "FORESHANK" of ancient egypt stars - when i google earth from above and view the crash site it matchs ancient egypts images and stars relating to the big dipper and the crash site clearly depicing double star ALCOR-Mizar in the big dipper stars.

heres flight path sideways looking like a obelisk and ancient egypt forshank stars and site view from above looking like ancient symbolism. http://www.ciamarra.com/big-dipper2.jpg

links below about big dipper and ancient egypt foreshank stars


I have mentioned the as above below theme. i mention that i felt that akron ohio could also
have some possible symbolism because it the plane turned around not to far from it, and akron definition "the farthest bounds, uttermost parts, end, highest, extreme of the earth of heaven."

i wanted to take a further look if any city to west of Akron Ohio had any relationship OR Symbolism because path did go to north and west of akron - about 23km it looks like.

And indeed it looks like if you do a overlaid the path at the apex goes over the city of Medina, Ohio.

Medina ohio bears the same city name as Medina where Al-Masjid al-Nabaw is located, "Mosque of the Prophet" and the tomb of Muhammad is located.

Medina is the second holiest site in Islam by Muslims, the first being the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca.

Muhammad otherwise know as 'MOAMETIS' = 666 in gematria.

also some of high-jackers came from a small town just west of medina, city where Al-Masjid al-Nabaw is located, "Mosque of the Prophet".

the pilots flight path delayed about 1 minute in time near the end of the path, only to hit back at the shanksville area.
so clearly the time and path could both relate to some symbolism.

the flight path, if one looks at it sideways it looks like a obelisk and Medina ohio is the apex and then it flight 93 crashes down at area near Shanksville PA.

heres path and transcript

'Big Dipper's twin stars Mizar and Alcor, which some call 'Horse and Rider'.

the sighting of Alcor was an eye test for the ancient Grecians and Egyptians.

But what came to my mind is Alcor sounds alot like the vice president in 2001 Al Gore perhaps more symbolism there.

the hijackers mentioning up down - and they seem to think the cockpit was a special place. it seem to be almost symbolic in nature. even when crashing down. needless to say , they were on a suicide run. needless to say the place on the ground was thought of the womb. possibly they felt it to could be symbolic for rebirth.

in ohio there are ancient structures and serpent mounds but i wont go into trying to associate them.

the key point is the apex point - medina, and shanksville - as 'FORE SHANK' refering to ancient constellation of egypt we know as the big dipper.

So we could have references to 2 people.
1 at the apex we have city Medina ohio which bears same city name
- where the tomb of mohammed is.

2 at the crash site in shanksville we may have some symbolism referring to Alcor - Al Gore.

heres flight path obelisk and foreshank again.

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Most people are let to believe since the passengers were trying to get control fail to see by the transcript that the hijackers were in full control. they even delayed 1minute in flight time by performing that high dive nose dive at end
- perhaps the time being symbolic is some way - geomatria or alignment. judging by the transcript i think the hijackers were targetting that site,plus they could of crashed it elsewhere and into something but didnt. the transcipt can be taken
in as shanksville area was the site.

but clearly the 'LEG of the ox' or foreshank - thigh of ancient egypt was symbolic for the adze tool. this tool was related to seth, and was used in magic and rituals.
so set clearly a dark force too.

Al Gore was 45th Vice President of the United States In 2001 too,
Preceded by Dan Quayle and Succeeded by Dick Cheney.

Al Gore office January 20, 93 – January 20, 2001.

The planning of the event probably took alot of time prior to sept 2001. But clearly know Al Gore departed office in 2001, only the designers of this event know its full symbolism and
what their intentions were. Bush was probably glad to see him go.

also note 93 flight number is the same as when al gore entered office - 93 and ended in 2001.

Also it may be a coincedence but Al Gore became vice pres in 93,
note 93 is the flight number of plane that crashed
at shankville depicing the ALcor star which sounds like (AL Gore).
Even Ancient Egyptians used sounds play on words .
( shank- leg of set - big dipper constellation in ancient egypt, set god of confusion).

also flight 93 crashed - 1.75 miles north of the town of "SHANKsville" - note the 1.75 miles
- i know it may be seem as coincedence but 175 was the Flight that hit the World Trade Center's South Tower.

also flight 77 that flew into the pentagon, once again ancient egypt ceremony 77 was a fore-quarter of set,
ties in with the bulls fore-leg-shank of the ox" , which was viewed as the adze tool in the heavens,
the big dipper as i mentioned earlier.

perhaps other patterns in the air too may of been used.
example flight 77 in the air before hitting the pentagon,
performed what appears to be the same giant shape of hieroglyph V6 which is for offering for alabaster.
alabaster, vessels of alabaster

even flight 175 pattern in air looks like the adze tool, that was used in rituals like opening mouth ritual.

Shanksville was named after Christian Shank, who built a cabin on Stony Creek in 1798, later building a grist mill.

so christian perhaps another symbolic reference, as well as Shank as we have discussed

knowledge and wisdom and magic from ancient egypt as Henry C. Clausen stated did go to Scottish Rite,
so illuminati have been said to be within freemasons, then we
can assoiciate the knowledge and wisdom of ancient egypt being passed to the illuminati as well.

I only used the gematria at 1 point, and it was a key apex point in Medina ohio, which could be symbolic referring to the muslim tomb http://www.ciamarra.com/big-dipper2.jpg

1 Video i gave really mentions gematria alot but mark does mention alot of other valid points. Even in Ancient egypt with magic and rituals and structures - numbers 9 - 11 even 7 are key numbers used - even in building structures like the great pyramid.

But horus and set are 2 opposing forces, and i cant help but think of jesus and the stone the builders rejected,possibly referring to the apex stone of the great pyramid.

thanks for posting about the republican party's inverted star which they effected after 911 that was interesting

also that link mentioned magic - demons face in explosion,needless to say alot have commented the evidence may point to explosives used in towers, because of the way they came down and all that sand-dust like material.even in ancient egypt they talk demons who had sand-banks horrible faces - another coincedence. set was god of desert storms too.

but flight 93 stands unique because it didnt hit a building, so one can look at the evidence there. and from what i see, it really suggests it was probably a targeted site. mostly by the apex point, the transcript comments, the crash site name and geoglyph and number symbolism, flight number alcor- al gore, shanksville medina.

infact i wonder if they didnt send a plane out (it was seen) to insure it did crash there - if the hijackers were to fail but they didnt it appears - with coruption in government, anything is possible. i find the slip-up by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in a interview with Brigadier General on December 24, 2004 interesting.

"I think all of us have a sense if we imagine the kind of world we would face if the people who bombed the mess hall in Mosul, or the people who did the bombing in Spain, or the people who attacked the United States in New York, shot down the plane over Pennsylvania and attacked the Pentagon, the people who cut off peoples' heads on television to intimidate, to frighten -- indeed the word 'terrorized' is just that. Its purpose is to terrorize, to alter behavior, to make people be something other than that which they want to be."

heres interesting site about flight 93

heres transcript as well with time from above link

"Transcript: Flight 93 cockpit tape
A US court deciding on a sentence for convicted 9/11 plotter Zacarias Moussaoui has released a full transcript from the cockpit voice recorder of one of the planes hijacked on the day.
Here are the last moments of United Airlines flight 93, recorded before it crashed into a field in Pennsylvania.

"Ladies and Gentlemen. Here the captain, please sit down keep remaining seating. We have a bomb on board. So sit."

"Er, uh... Calling Cleveland Centre... You're unreadable. Say again slowly."

"Don't move. Shut up."

"Come on, come."

"Shut up."

"Don't move."


"Sit, sit, sit down."

"Sit down."

"(In Arabic:) [Unintelligible]... the brother."


"No more. Sit down."

"(In Arabic:) That's it, that's it, that's it. (In English:) Down, down.

"Shut up."


"We just, we didn't get it clear... Is that United 93 calling?"

"(In Arabic:) Jassim."

"(In Arabic:) In the name of Allah, the most merciful, the most compassionate."


"Finish, no more. No more."

"No. No, no, no, no."

"No, no, no, no."

"Go ahead, lie down. Lie down. Down, down, down."

"(In Arabic:) There is someone... Huh?

"Down, down, down. Sit down. Come on, sit down. No, no, no, no, no. No.

"Down, down, down."


"No more."

"No more. Down."

"Please, please, please....


"Please, please, don't hurt me..."

"Down. No more."

"Oh God."

"Down, down, down."

"Sit down."

"Shut up."

"No more."

"(In Arabic) This?"



"(In Arabic:) One moment, one moment."


"No more."

"Down, down, down, down."

"No, no, no, no, no, no...."


"Sit down, sit down, sit down."


(In Arabic:) "What's this?"

"Sit down. Sit down. You know, sit down."

"No, no, no."

"Down, down, down, down."

"Are you talking to me?"

"No, no, no. [Unintelligible.]"

"Down in the airport."

"Down, down."

"I don't want to die."

"No, no. Down. down."

"I don't want to die. I don't want to die."

"No, no. Down, down, down, down, down, down."

"No, no, please."


"(In Arabic:) That's it. Go back."

"(In Arabic:) "That's it. (In English) Sit down."

"(In Arabic:) "Everything is fine. I finished."

"(In Arabic:) Yes."

"Ah, here's the captain. I would like to tell you all to remain seated. We have a bomb aboard, and we are going back to the airport, and we have our demands. So, please remain quiet."

"Okay. That's 93 calling?"

"(In Arabic:) One moment."

"United 93. I understand you have a bomb on board. Go ahead.

"And centre exec jet 956. That was the transmission."

"Okay. Ah. Who called Cleveland?"

"Executive jet 956, did you understand that transmission?"

"Affirmative. He said that there was a bomb on board."

"That was all that you got out of it also?"



"United 93. Go ahead."

"United 93. Go ahead."


"(In Arabic:) This green knob?"

"(In Arabic:) Yes, that's the one."

"United 93, do you hear the Cleveland centre?"

"(In Arabic:) One moment. One moment."


"Oh man."

(In Arabic:) "This does not work now."

"Turn it off."

"(In Arabic:) Seven thousand."

"(In Arabic) How about we let them in? We let the guys in now."

"(In Arabic:) Okay."

"(In Arabic:) Should we let the guys in?"

"(In Arabic:) Inform them, and tell him to talk to the pilot. Bring the pilot back."

"(In Arabic:) In the name of Allah. In the name of Allah. I bear witness that there is no other God but Allah."


"(In Arabic:) Allah knows."


"Set course."






"(In Arabic:) The best thing - the guys will go in, lift up the [unintelligible] ... and they put the axe into it. So, everyone will be scared.

"(In Arabic:) Yes."

"(In Arabic:) The axe."


"(In Arabic:) No, not the...."

"(In Arabic:)Let him look through the window. Let him look through the window.


"(In Arabic:)Open."


"You are... one..."


"(In Arabic:) Is there something?"

"(In Arabic:) A fight?"

"(In Arabic:) Yeah?"

"[Unintelligible.] (In Arabic:) Let's go, guys. Allah is greatest. Allah is greatest. Oh guys. Allah is greatest."



"(In Arabic:) Oh Allah. Oh Allah. Oh the most gracious."

"Ugh. Ugh."

"Stay back."

"In the cockpit."

"In the cockpit."

"(In Arabic:) They want to get in there. Hold, hold from the inside. Hold from the inside. Hold."

"Hold the door."

"Stop him."

"Sit down."

"Sit down."

"Sit down."


"(In Arabic:) What?"

"(In Arabic:) There are some guys. All those guys."

"Let's get them."

"Sit down."

"(In Arabic:) What?"

"(In Arabic:) What."

"(In Arabic:) What?"


"(In Arabic:) What?"



"(In Arabic:) Trust in Allah, and in him."

"Sit down."




"(In Arabic:) There is nothing."

"(In Arabic:) Is that it? Shall we finish it off?"

"(In Arabic:) No. Not yet."

"(In Arabic:) When they all come, we finish it off."

"(In Arabic:) There is nothing."



"I'm injured."



"(In Arabic:) Oh Allah. Oh Allah. Oh gracious."

"In the cockpit. If we don't, we'll die."

"(In Arabic:) Up, down. Up, down, in the cockpit."

"(In Arabic:) The cockpit."

"(In Arabic:) Up, down. Saeed, up, down."

"Roll it."


"(In Arabic:) Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest."


"(In Arabic:) Is that it? I mean, shall we pull it down?"

"(In Arabic:) Yes, put it in it, and pull it down."


"(In Arabic:) Saeed."



"(In Arabic:) Cut off the oxygen."

"(In Arabic:) Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen. Cut off the oxygen."



"(In Arabic:) Up, down. Up, down.

"(In Arabic:) What?

"(In Arabic:) Up, down.





"Shut them off."

"Shut them off."





"Turn it up."

"(In Arabic:) Down, down."

"(In Arabic:) Pull it down. Pull it down."

"Down. Push, push, push, push, push."

"(In Arabic:) Hey. Hey. Give it to me. Give it to me."

"(In Arabic:) Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me."

"(In Arabic:) Give it to me. Give it to me. Give it to me."


"(In Arabic:) Allah is the greatest."

"(In Arabic:) Allah is the greatest."

"(In Arabic:) Allah is the greatest."

"(In Arabic:) Allah is the greatest."

"(In Arabic:) Allah is the greatest."


"(In Arabic:) Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest."

"(In Arabic:) Allah is the greatest. Allah is the greatest."

-- pretty clear the transcript alot with other evidence seems to really suggest that it was a targeted site from the start.
it may of been a secondary site, im opened minded but its clear by the transcript the hijackers felt they achieved their goal.

also the symbolism with medina, shanksville related to set, fore shank big dipper relating to area city name and the geoglyph on the ground.
the alcor crash site location at the site, flight 93 as well could be symbolic of al gore entering office in 93 and then ending there in 2001 by hitting the site.

i know alot of people want to believe the fairy tale you seen on the movie - but the transcript clearly shows the hi-jackers were in control and certain comments can be taken that the site was targeted.

sept 11 is known to be new year day of coptic calendar - 1st day of Thout month which is like the ancient egyptian calendar,
based on same month names but its new year day is at different starting points.
12 months of 30 days each and 5 days at end to make a little month, 6 days if it is a leap year.

quote below from wiki

The Season of the Inundation (Egyptian term is Axt is occasionally written as Akhet)

The Ancient Egyptians marked the beginning of their year by the rising of the Nile. This event was vital to the people because the waters left behind fertile silt and moisture, which was the cause of the fertility of the Egyptian nation.

In the Coptic Orthodox Church, September 11 is the feast of Nayrouz or Neyrouz, when martyrs and confessors are commemorated. This day is also the start of the Coptic new year and its first month (Thout).Thout (Coptic:tʰoːuːt ) is the first month of the Coptic calendar.

The Feast of Neyrouz marks the first day of the Coptic year.
Ignorant of the Egyptian language for the most part,
the Arabs confused the Egyptian new year's celebrations,
which the Egyptians called the feast of Ni-Yarouou (the feast the rivers), with the Persian feast of Nowruz. Nowruz marks the first day of spring - which is celebrated on the day of the astronomical vernal equinox, which usually occurs on March 21.

The Feast of Neyrouz marks the first day of the Coptic year.
Ignorant of the Egyptian language for the most part,
the Arabs confused the Egyptian new year's celebrations,
which the Egyptians called the feast of Ni-Yarouou (the feast the rivers), with the Persian feast of Nowruz.
The misnomer remains today, and the celebrations of the Egyptian new year on the first day of the month of Thout
are known as the Neyrouz. Its celebration falls on the 1st day of the month of Thout, the first month of the Egyptian year, which for AD 1901 to 2098 usually coincides with 11 September,
except before a Gregorian leap year when it begins September 12.

The Coptic yearThe chronology of the Coptic Orthodox Church begins when Diocletian became Roman emperor in 284 AD. His reign was marked by torture of Christians to force them to deny their faith,
as well as by mass executions, especially in Egypt. It is believed this time was one of the worst times that the Coptic church faced, known to believers as "the martyrdom era".
Hence, the Coptic year is identified by the abbreviation A.M.
(for Anno Martyrum or "Year of the Martyrs"). It should not be confused with the A.M. abbreviation used for the unrelated Jewish year, which is Anno Mundi ("year of the world").

Coptic months

1 Thout - also known as Tout, is the first month of the Coptic calendar. It lies between 11 September
and 10 October of the Gregorian calendar. The month of Thout is also the first month of the Season of Akhet (Inundation) in Ancient Egypt, when the Nile floods historically covered the land of Egypt; it has not done so since the construction of the High Dam at Aswan.The name of the month comes from Thoth, the Ancient Egyptian God of Wisdom.

2 Paopi
3 Hathor
4 Koiak
5 Tobi
6 Meshir
7 Paremhat
8 Paremoude
9 Pashons
10 Paoni
11 Epip
12 Mesori - also known as Mesra, is the twelfth month of the Coptic calendar. It lies between
August 7 and September 5 of the Gregorian calendar. The month of Mesori is also the fourth month of the Season
of 'Shemu' (Harvest) in Ancient Egypt, where the Egyptians harvest their crops throughout Egypt.
The name of the month of Mesori comes from Mes-en-ra, an Ancient Egyptian word that means Birth of the Sun

13 Pi Kogi Enavot (the Little Month 5 days) -literally the little month), also known as El Nasii,
is the thirteenth and last month of the Coptic calendar. It lies between September 6 and September 10 of
the Gregorian calendar. That month is also incorporated in the Season of 'Shemu' (Harvest) in Ancient Egypt,
where the Egyptians harvest their crops throughout the land of Egypt. The name Pi Kogi Enavot means the little month.
Of the Ancient or Emergence, Harvest, and Inundation calendar, Pi Kogi Enavot lies within mid-July at
the end of the year before the new year or Emergence year starts a few days later in the second part of July.

in ancient egypt we have
Season of Flood Month 1 being Tekh = Thoth = Coptic Thout

day 1 is New Year - Opening of the Year and birthday of Ra-Horakhty ( the sun-god )

cleary on a conscious level they picked the day and some have speculated after the event we can look to it on a sub-conscous level as well because of the symbolism in the towers and events.

Plus its interesting if one takes a step further and look to the history of the emergency phone number itself, because the reason behind could lead to more clues or evidence - because people could be influence by certain beliefs in picking things.

Winnipeg Canada was first city in north american to have a emergency number, 999, (i thought of 666 inverted, and the apex point refering to Medina - 666 reference there as i mentioned earlier).

gemetria links 999 to the creation story, so its possible the person - persons responible knew this, and were thinking in emergency situtaion - people think of - god help me or heaven help me - its possilble.

Then for some strange reason the USA who didnt have a city emergency number yet suggested to winnipeg, manitoba - Canada to change it to 911. interesting stuff. clearly the numbers have played a influence on events and people picking them, and evening changing them.


the United kingdom had 999 in 1937 prior to canada, whats interesting is they used 9 3 times using the Capitol 'A' Button.
the history of the Capitol 'A' is a interesting letter to denote ancient symbol of the ox head or bull head, which could even have more deeper symbolism like ka offering etc in ancient egypt.

plus to in england they to changed their newyear day, before it fell on lady day and change it to jan 1 in 1792. lady day was one of the quarter days in england. quarter days were days near the 2 equinoxs amd 2 solstices. So we can see a possible connect to the vernal equinox i mentioned earlier.

the 4 quarter days are
1 Lady day MARCH 25,
2. Midsummer June 24
3. Michaelmas Sept 29
4. Christmas December 25

lady day is feast of Annunciation to Virgin Mary on march 25.
It is celebrating when the angel Gabriel told the virgin mary she would conceive and 9 Months later on christmas become the mother of Jesus the Son of God.

i will mention also between the 4 quater days are
cross-quarter days and there are four holidays falling

1. Candlemas - 2 February,
2. May Day - 1 May
3. Lammas - 1 August,
4. All Hallows - 1 November.

may 1 1776 is also the illuminati birthday.

the relationship with equinox and solstices and changing of new years date is interesting.
coptic sept 11 is denoting 911 Feast of Neyrouz marks the first day of the Coptic year but the Arabs confused the Egyptian new year's the feast of Ni-Yarouou (the feast of the rivers) with the Persian feast of Nowruz - vernal equinox.

i for one, personally know from a precognitve dream on sept 4, 2001 it touched me on a sub-conscious level prior. it didnt depic the towers falling but it was a person in newcast who name, can be thought to be symbolic for the crash site. anyhow hynposis doesnt seem to work with me, and i thought perhaps it could of been just a dream. but your right they had there motives, and they clearly wanted a war.

Anyhow im glad i looked into the 93 crash site symbolism.
I believe that it was a targeted site from the start for symbolic reasons ( occults groups, like illumanti, scottish-rite, others , fooling around with symbolism and magic, which came from ancient egypt knowledge. They probably thought they could fool everyone with shanksville pa symbolism, sorry to break it to them, but not me, i wont rule it out, infact i tend to favor it more than rule it out like most.

there are alot of 911 rituals on youtube and i have several on my site. here are a few for those who want to watch about some possible symbolism.

See video

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ciao clemente

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This sort of stuff is visible everywhere within the 911 op. It is way beyond "coincidence," and it reveals an elaborate pathology of spirit. The people who engineered this event are evil pricks right down to their shoelaces. That is why we must keep pressure on the 911 story. This most likely was not a "one off." There will be more and it may be much worse. This is really antichrist level behavior here. It is not that I fear their occult power. I doubt they have any real occult power, but thinking they do and having scads of money to pull off most any stunt makes them feel like they have magical powers. The end result is the same - brutality, mass murder, fear mongering, incredible nastiness. It is like giving a child a gun. With that in hand the child feels powerful and entitled even though he is still just a child essentially. These people are bored children with way, way, way too much money.