Being a Stoner Myself

I have been following the Michael Phelps Bong Pic Story. As if nothing else is going on in the world like a finacial meltdown, or anything. But I don't think MJ should be illegal.
Drink just about killed me, and MJ got me off about 10 different prescription pills a day, that may soon have killed me. And frankly its fun to smoke. IT IS FUN! And I hope for the day when the greatest harm it causes no longer involves being caught with it! But is getting the munchies.
But I saw this Blog Rant and had to pass it around...

http://www.theagitator.com/2009/02/01/a-...

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red pill junkie's picture
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It is true: people are going after him because there's nothing more enjoyable than bringing idols down to our level; it makes us slackers and underachievers feel less bad about ourselves.

It is true: I really shouldn't care if Michael seeks to ruin his health by puffing from his bong; and doing that is probably less harmful than trying some of the steroids most professional athletes are encouraged to use to keep themselves ahead in the game.

However, these past two years my kinsmen and I have witnessed of the level of violence and pain these substance indirectly bring about.

If Michael, or anyone who use these substances behind the back of the law, would consider that for every bag of pot they bought a man, a woman, or a child was brutally tortured and murdered, maybe they would think twice about it.

I do think people should be free to consume this stuff; but AFTER they have everything they can to change the obtuse mindsets of politicians, the Pharma industry, the Alcohol & Tobacco industry, and the FDA. Go out to the streets and claim for your rights, just the way the Gay groups are doing.

But don't kid yourself: until the law is changed, someone somewhere is paying for your pot, maybe with their lives.

Michael's money when paying his dealer changed hands and eventually was used to purchase an assault weapon that could have been used to execute innocent civilians; if anything, he should go to the widows and orphans and apologize to THEM.

PS: I apologize if my reply is too harsh. You know I appreciate & respect your comments, bladerunner. But my frustration regarding these matters is reaching a breaking point. Mexico is turning into a war zone right before my eyes :-(

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Sorry, I can't believe there is a torture or murder for every ounce sold. For the 25 million pounds consumed yearly in the US (very conservative figure), that would mean 400 million victims.

Besides, if marijuana were legal, it would be cultivated legally and not part of the black market economy.

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Look at is this way:

If you drive a car, you are supporting the big bad oil companies, who destroy the environment, and some of them support terrorism.

If you buy cheap clothing, you are supporting Asian manufacturers, who exploit child labor.

If you partake in illegal drugs, you are supporting organized crime. These organizations kill people for the lowest of motives.

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red pill junkie's picture
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That's exactly what I meant to say.

If you buy your fiance a nice diamond ring, you're likely supporting the diamond cartels and African warlords who use that money to buy guns.

We need to be aware of this. Nothing we do or buy is without consequences.

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by legalizing weed that part of the drug war would stop. That's what happened with the end of prohibition, here in the US. And if it makes anyone feel better, most of my buying habits are from local growers. Independent minded Oregonians, who have also made medical MJ as legal as it can be. That would be on a state not federal level. I've thought about going for a medical mj card myself. I do use it for self medication already. It has improved my mental health, and decreased the amount of pain meds I take for my back pain.

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this is why the law needs to change. if cannabis were legalized the "thugs" would be turned into businessmen overnight. though, i don't believe that "most marijuana" is produced and sold by folks with assault weapons. the growing and distribution channels in california and british columbia are mostly peaceful...the problems stem from the LAWS. (don't buy the government propaganda that if you buy pot you support terrorism, it simply isn't true)...

based on your argument (of lives ruined), should michael also apologize to the chinese, indonesian and mexican women and girls who make his swim suits, his t-shirts, and probably even his bong? people who make pennies daily, work in sweat shops 12-18 hours a day 7 days a week...their lives ruined by industrial injuries, poor health/nutrition and overwork??

should he apologize to the gold miners with which his many medals were made (cyanide contamination of ground water, even in the u.s.; abuse of aboriginal peoples of australia and south africa)?

yes, i AM working to change cannabis law - the laws do far more harm than good and cannabis does more good than harm - if you want to help with that change join a group like norml or mpp or drcnet or stop the drug war...

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based on your argument (of lives ruined), should michael also apologize to the chinese, indonesian and mexican women and girls who make his swim suits, his t-shirts, and probably even his bong? people who make pennies daily, work in sweat shops 12-18 hours a day 7 days a week...their lives ruined by industrial injuries, poor health/nutrition and overwork??

Yes, why not? Why shouldn't the west acknowledge that much of what they enjoy or take for granted is paid by the sweat of the third world?

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..the problems stem from the LAWS. (don't buy the government propaganda that if you buy pot you support terrorism, it simply isn't true)...

Maybe, but as bladerunner wrote, you should really be aware of who you are buying the stuff from, as this recent article bluntly states:

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In an apartment near Birmingham, Ala., police found five men with their throats slit in August. They had apparently been tortured with electric shocks before being killed in a murder-for-hire orchestrated by a Mexican drug organization over a drug debt of about $400,000.

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Last summer, Atlanta-area police found a Dominican man who had been beaten, bound, gagged and chained to a wall in a quiet, middle-class neighborhood in Lilburn, Ga. The 31-year-old Rhode Island resident owed $300,000 to Mexico's Gulf Cartel, Benson said. The Gulf Cartel, based in Matamoros just south of the Texas border, is one of the most ruthless of the Mexican organizations that deal drugs such as cocaine, marijuana, methamphetamine and heroin.

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And now Kelloggs is facing a boycott. And yes I too am working to change MJ laws. Right on about how much of what we have in the west is built on the blood of other. Buy Local!

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I'm gonna include this on tomorrow's news briefs, but I guess you guys might like to read this now.

It basically says that the current international war on drugs is stupid and going nowhere. Now this may seem a little hypocritical, specially since former president Zedillo did very little to deal with the drug cartels when he was in office in Mexico; but it is interesting nonetheless; maybe it is time for a new paradigm consensus concerning these so-called illicit substances.

Then again, let's not be naive: if governments go and legalize Marijuana, the mafias will go on to something else. There will always be something the States wants to prohibit or control; take prostitution for example: it has been an activity far older than all the nations that exist today, and yet it is still illegal almost everywhere!

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It is true that the mafia went out of the illegal alcohol business when prohibition ended.

It is also true the the mafia went into other businesses, they saw it coming. Organized crime is ruthless, but the top levels are not really stupid.

Some years ago I had a conversation with a group, and the subject of medical marijuana in Canada came up. One of the people in the group got very upset - if the government controls the sale of this, how would the local brothers make a living now? Those were his words, not mine.

But also it is a bit unrealistic to think that the US and Europe are the only problem here. Sure they are the big markets. But the drug dealers consume drugs themselves. With MJ this may be comparatively harmless. With Cocaine it is not. People on Cocaine (and steroids, that is not quite another issue) believe they can do anything. And then they do it.

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