Ratzinger and Malachy: Does intentional fulfillment of prophecy count?

The "Glory of the Olive" (Gloria Olivae). That's what St. Malachy's famous prophecy has to say about our latest Pope. Everyone thought that was a sign that the new Pope would come from the Benedictine order, which is symbolised by the olive. He isn't. However, he did take on the name of Benedict XVI, which makes one wonder if he is intentionally encouraging belief in the Malachy Prophecies. This is the second time recently that the catholic church's chosen decisions have seemed designed to agree with the Malachy Prophecy, the first being when they decided to hold John Paul II's funeral on the day of an eclipse, when his Malachy Prophecy had described him as the Pope "of the eclipsed sun".

But John Paul II deserved that title for more than just that one reason. He was also born on an eclipse, and elected to the Papacy on another eclipse. And since John Paul II's phrase also means "of the toils of the Sun", and since the sun's ‘work' is to fly around the world every day from horizon to horizon, so too did John Paul II, becoming the most world-traveled Pope in history.

From this and other data, I am inclined to conclude that the Malachy Prophecies are accurate, but also that the RCC is trying to use these famous prophecies to manipulate the masses into a certain mindframe. Nonetheless, I would also expect that the prophetic phrase for this new Pope, "The Glory of the Olive", will prove to be even more relevant to this new Pope and his reign than it now seems to be.

What exactly does this clue mean? We are reminded today that the olive signifies Israel; Israel included the olive tree on its national symbol, and the Bible associates the olive as a symbol of Israel as well. We must pray that this symbolism is not what the Malachy Prophecies are referring to, for there is no question what "the glory of Israel" would be. The "glory of the olive" means "the victory/success/dominance of the Jews", which would occur if they rebuild their Temple. Ever since the nation of Israel was reborn in the desert, the Jewish people around the world have viewed that development as but the first of two shoes predicted to drop in "the Last Days". First the Jews were supposed to return to their native land, the ancient prophecies insisted, and then they would rebuild their sacred Temple, which would finally clear the way for the arrival of their long-awaited Messiah.

Is Malachy suggesting that the Jews will rebuild their Temple during the reign of this new Pope? It would fit the general design of both sets of prophecies (the Malachy prophecies and the Biblical prophecies). Just as Malachy said that this current Pope would be the second-to-last Pope before the arrival of the Last Day events, so too does the Bible insist that the Temple would be rebuilt before the arrival of either/both (A) the Jews' long-awaited Messiah, and/or (B) the second coming of Jesus Christ.

Not all of Malachy's prophetic phrases refer directly to the Pope himself; some refer instead to that Pope's papacy; i.e., the history that occurs in the world during his reign. For example, Pope Benedict XV was referred to by Malachy as Religio Depopulata, or 'Religion Depopulated,' and at first nobody could understand the relevance of this clue. But as his reign unfolded, the world witnessed World War I and the Russian Revolution conspire to severely depopulate the Christian world, just as the prophesy predicted.

And our new Pope chose that same name, making himself Pope Benedict XVI.

The college of cardinals worked hard to elect the successor to Pope John Paul II over the last few days, wrestling with all sorts of political, organisational, theological and moral criteria. And while they were at it, they might have also wanted to make sure that, in order to avoid any further doomsaying stemming from the Malachy prophecies, whoever they chose would have absolutely nothing to do with the words 'The glory of the olive.'

Indeed, perhaps they did try to make sure of that, for prior to being elected, Ratzinger had no logical, personal, or professional connection to any sort of ‘olive' at all.

But the man the Cardinals chose then turned right around and did the very thing they had tried not to do, the only possible thing he could do to create such an apparent connection — choosing a name that was associated with the olive. Benedictines are otherwise known as the Olivetans, and by choosing that name, Ratzinger creates a connection to the Malachy Prophecy where before there had been none.

- Peter

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Anon's picture
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Peter, first of all thanks for all the background on the Malachy prophecies you've provided here over the past few weeks. The information is most interesting.

I found Rat's-in-here's papal name selection very interesting also. In which religious order was Ratzinger originally ordained? His bio doesn't mention (purposely?) the specific order, but does list the monastery in which he was ordained (Würzburg) as originally following the Rule of St. Benedict, but subsequently falling under Jesuit influence.

Plus, and this is my favorite, the taking heads are saying that Ratzinger is a member of Opus Dei. Hmmmm. The plot thickens.

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Ratzinger is a member of Opus Dei.
They are the lunatic fringe that wants to take the church back to the days of the Inquisition.
Now they can.

S.

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This author correctly predicted the name of the new pope:

http://www.catholicplanet.com/articles/a...

He also predicts much more . . . not for the faint hearted.

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Hi terry,

Interesting set of predictions, i do wonder how islamic forces would be able to advance deeply into europe considering their technological lagging. Sure they have the numbers but so did saddam, thus before that could happen some seriously destabilizing events need to take place.
As for the unification of the protestant, eastern and catholic churches thats possible, i'm sure the born agains would like too add rome and moscou to their sphere of influence, even if this would involve some give and take, however the notion of a protestant pope will have them singing.

Rests me to say that mr. conte scores an educated guess by naming the new pope Benedictus XVI, as for the rest well, the age of aquarius starts in full swing mid 25th century, finally closing the book on the bloodletting age of pisces.

" do unto others as you would have them do unto you "

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Hi Peter,

Now then cardinal ratzinger, did the right thing, playing the non olive card. Choosing an olive connected name after the election, is telling the rest of them cardinals, i'm in control now and i (or we opus dei) do what we like. Schism in the making i'd say, specially when other candidates were passed because of the malachy prediction. Who's going to complain (publicly).

As for the olive and israel, the olive symbolism is much more ancient (nimrod), older than abraham. Considering the tree, it provides food, oil for cooking and light. The olive tree is a sturdy tree, providing shade and supplies for generations, a true treasure trove, a divine tree. Well known symbol of peace ? More like we've got it.

ps. Peter i'm a bit miffed about your statement second to last pope, i read the malachy manuscript had been altered after its first publication and peter the roman was added-(or reinstated). From a psychological point of view adding one makes sense- who'd want to be the last and lead the church to ruin.

" do unto others as you would have them do unto you "

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The number of popes left is consistent with the number prophesized by John XXIII though. The final ordeal too and all this leading to the age of Christ + 2000 years. (That would be around 2029-30, my guess).

What is interesting is that in John XXIII's writings (at least they have been attributed to him), John Paul II was to be a non-Italian that would travel to his far away land. Where he missed the mark is that he was to be killed there, the people of that country were to refuse to return his body and the church would have a new father before the deceased could be put to rest.

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He is the black pope the jesuits elected secret leader is known as the black pope. The Panzer is the Black Pope. And Opus Dei, came out of Franco's Spain. And God works in mysteries ways. With a good solid spy system behind it.

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Actually, "Black Pope" is the common name for the Priest General of the Jesuit Order. The Jesuits are the only order who swear allegiance directly to the Pope. The "Black Pope" is their leader, who reports directly to the Pope.

Twas brillig and the slithy toves...

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I think they are trying to co-opt the prophecies. But, prophets tend to bite no matter what. I think that there may soon be other connections to the olive that the RCC did not intend, but that Malachi saw. There is one other thing though. I think the thing that most people forget, or dismiss, too often in thinking that things are going to happen right away, is that prophetic time is all metaphorical. Malachi's prophecies are keyed to human time simply because they are keyed to individual human lives, but Revelations does not necessarilly progress at the speed that most people think it will. We simply assume that these events will rapidly follow each other, or that three and a half years will actually be three and a half years. Quite simply, a prophet simply puts a title on what he can see and interprets it as best he can.

Twas brillig and the slithy toves...

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The Pope is a third order oblate member of the Benedictine Order. The prophecy is obviously true. You missed the obvious. Just as John Paul the Great was a third order Carmelite, so is Pope Benedict XVI is actually a third order Benedictine. Check this out yourself. Not all your bases were covered.

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I suspected as much but couldn't easily find the answer. Where did you find the info, if you can safely reveal your source?

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I have a Benedictine third order oblate friend who told me so.
But I intend to double check his claims to be sure. But he has an elephantine memory, and is very honest, and was emphatic when I sked Are your sure? So I think there is something to it.

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The Glory of the Olive and the Glory of Israel can indeed be linked, especially in view of past political stances Ratzinger took at the time of the last US elections and the known views of the US administration on Israel and the Middle East:

There will be a lot of material that will rise to the surface after having been thrown under the carpet before he got to be pope. He then of course was not nearly as much in the public.

This is an example: Holy warriors

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shadows

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Ratzinger's little publicized stunts (with team leader JPII) followed with additional links.

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and you almost succeeded.

Is the US media so lily-livered now that they will not take on the Bush family?

Is the new pope about to stun the world with the announcement that he is an honorary Bush brother?

Are Dubya and Ratzinger going to tap-dance across the world stage together in an attempt to win souls for Jeeeezus?

All these questions and more will be answered by Richard for bringing this alarming news to my attention.

shadows