Zietgiest III

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SYNOPSIS - Zeitgeist: Moving Forward, by director Peter Joseph, is a feature length documentary work which will present a case for a needed transition out of the current socioeconomic monetary paradigm which governs the entire world society. This subject matter will transcend the issues of cultural relativism and traditional ideology and move to relate the core, empirical "life ground" attributes of human and social survival, extrapolating those immutable natural laws into a new sustainable social paradigm called a "Resource-Based Economy".

THEATRICAL RELEASE - Zeitgeist: Moving Forward is planned to be released in 60+ countries and in 20+ languages starting January 15th 2011. This large scale release is not associated with any major distributor.

Good! If y'all haven't seen the first 2 here's the link to watch 'em http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

I believe mankind will reach our utopia someday (if we don't destroy ourselves) and it will be either a natural process or one like the zietgiest movement. I'll pick the latter if it gets here faster XD

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cnnek's picture
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Olympus,

In his Zeitgeist series, the Director is making very good and very relevant points! I've seen the first two on my computer and I have them bookmarked. I look forward to seeing the third Zeitgeist Documentry, "Moving Forward", on my computer and I intend to bookmark it, too!

What do you think?

cnnek

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Hey ccnek,

Been a while since we've crossed paths! I'm glad you enjoy those films, they are very educational and enlightening. My friend has shown me documentries covering many different topics but they're appearence is always the same, there's the scary yet crytic music playing in the background, the narrators voice is evil, and they pose a singular thought through out the films. However Zietgiest is very nicely made(specifically the second one) and Peter's voice is sexy to me :D best of all is he covers many topics and fills them with plenty of information to follow through. Eh enough info to at least get someone started on research. Regardless, they are the best films of their kind! I look forward to it's release date and the discussion we can have thereafter :D

"We're all puppets, Jesus. I'm just the one that sees the strings, the stage, the puppetmaster, and the audience." Exerpt from a dialog Jesus and I had in your kitchen a week ago • • •*• •°•

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Olympus,

I'm looking forward to the discussion, too. It's nice to hook-up with you again!

What do you think?

cnnek

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This thing has the potential to hit very hard. Do I think it'll work? Hell no... we're asking to remove all borders and flags, stating the obvious that all Earth's resources are a collective heritage and we shouldn't be ass-holes to each other. But the crazy thing is that it's totally do-able. If you start getting locked up in some FEMA camps or whatever, it's probably a good sign the Owners are loosing power. But that of course is the ugly way. There's a smooth way as well, and the Z Movement is really growing in positive energy. A welcome conjuring to counter act the Hungry Ghost of the Scare-city.

The current Empire is a House of Cards. That's why it reacts in such a brutal way when threatened. How brilliant of an Empire too. Never has one been some ingenious as to have a whole bunch of Self-Appointed Guardians of the Status-Quo. Wow. However, if enough people get empowered, Fear will lose it's grip.

Doing the transition from a monetary based economy to a resource based economy will have cataclysmic effect. Like a caterpillar growing wings. From scarcity to abundance. The data is there. This can be done, and it's not a Utopia. It's not perfect, just a way better OS. But at that frequency, the homo sapien is a homo veritas. And it can be done with a caring predisposition in a smooth transition. But for that... there's a big "let go" that needs to happen.

Unity is very important now. I said I don't think it'll work. But I'm betting it all right now, cuz it's the last chance. Honey Bee. The rebel has compassion. It's Herstory. Ma'at.

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There's another option: we reach our utopia after we destroy ourselves. That's what happened in Star Trek. Peter Joseph is doing good work to help make sure that's not the route we take. You can destroy the current paradigm without destroying people. Really looking forward to this one.

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That redemption idea crosses my path all the time. However, the redemption part most likely consists of the super rich and their already made super bunker to support them and only them in such a scenario. Knowing this I would go as far as to say that the super rich would want to eradicate the rest of humanity while they stay safe, doing this by launching nukes or a virus. Cheyenne mountain is mostly retired by now. Who knows maybe that's it :O

"We're all puppets, Jesus. I'm just the one that sees the strings, the stage, the puppetmaster, and the audience." Exerpt from a dialog Jesus and I had in your kitchen a week ago • • •*• •°•

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And this is what I think...

Conflict is everywhere in today's society -- it is the method to political madness...to polarize for effect, utility and ulterior motives...POWER! What we are in need of, is that altruistic spark that drove the unselfishness of our founding fathers to put aside their own desires and recognition-needs to build a civilization that was to go beyond their pre-existing experiences. We need ideas ahead of their time along with the impetus and strength to follow through in putting them to work. Where are the creative people with a passion for synergy and a penchant for the natural order of humaneness? Where are the visionaries?

Our plight of course could be wrapped up in what God showed to the patriarch...Enoch, who toured the length, width and breadth of Heaven and Earth -- Enoch was shown that mankind's sin was wrapped up in self-pride, and lust for woman. It started with the angels -- first with Satan not being able to resist taking all of heaven for himself, then others of his kind not being able to restrain themselves from coming on down to the planet to play with the irresistible daughters of man. Power corrupts eternal!

Civilization has rocked along for millennia, falling and rising, falling and rising and then falling again through versions on the same themes as the root causes for failure. Look at our own society chasing recognition and desire, all feeding off of human pride and lust. Womankind has once again found herself locked-in and used as the base reason or object for lust, sex crimes, racial hatred (fear of others taking their women), permissivism, addiction, false-play (collusion-networking), jealousy (fear of losing love), materialism (stuff collecting or score keeping -- female nesting), ambition (attitude one must have to gain a woman -- showing off to others), killing, raping, emotional-blackmail, insecurity and more. But, worst of all is a male characteristic for threatening violence or actual murderous activity as a means to what they think is ultimate power. It is all greed personified in the body of politics, becoming the obsession and addiction of the participants in a civilization's destruction.

When a society deteriorates to an "every person for themselves" condition, with love nowhere in sight, that civil-event is in an equilibrium state of death via chaos. Some characteristics of a civilization moving to this state are:

• Legislated morality and immorality -- ending traditional values in favor of dangerous or permissive issues in the guise of change.
• Untrustworthy Leadership -- seating of leaders that aid in the establishment of laws and policies that neglect the traditional values of
founding principles and tax beyond the means of the people.
• Loss of military order -- thus eroding the power to assert the basics of
human law and order in a volatile world. Unable to afford protection.
• Inability to create new jobs -- automation and cost-cutting aided by stringent governmental control causes loss of markets, financial solvency, research and development funds and finally loss of administrative will and creativity.
• Saturated population via migration -- influx of legal and illegal aliens seeking a better life begin to overtax the social structures thereby increasing crime and frustration...a nation of fear.
• Political polarization agendas -- groups establish elitist positions via false-victimization to divide and conquer a once united foundation to pit people against people. The majority is subsumed for the few. The few are usually represented by lawyers (700,000 currently working in America).
• Biased propaganda -- political agendas are in the sole possession of one political group. Their views, dialectics, rhetoric and other manipulative techniques are the only sources of infrastructural knowledge in the public domain.
• Education becomes total bureaucracy -- curriculums cannot keep up with leading-edge invention and job creation because of overburdening policy and mandating by pressurized state agencies. Education cannot accommodate increasing influx of immigrants and their polarizing politicians.
• Psycho-failure -- human ability to cope with exponential societal, or infrastructural expansion of government, legal profession, medical/health, business, community, and family, causes progressive burn-out, mental frustration and fragmentation of unity-systems.
• Government and individuals go bankrupt -- Greed of political factions creates hegemonic government that becomes the prime entity
over the people for which it was established. It no longer serves the people and takes all the assets leaving the people for the few who escape with it all as the nation sinks to barbarism or survival of the most violent.
• War between males and females -- differences are accentuated by polarizing politicians in order to divide what was once a human unit that complemented its parts. Females have in the past lost this war because emotion was their tool and physical violence was man's -- this conflict represents the ultimate death wish for humankind.
• The super-rich abscond -- small percentages (.01) of humanity seek secret enclaves such as remote islands (Ross Perot?), to ride out the social rebellion. They take their superior resources/technology and leave the mess they contributed to, with their greed and politics. They become the gods of tomorrow.

The above conditions are taking place in America at present, but there are still a sufficient number of citizens that know how to keep us from going to the final stages of total failure. The middle class Americans must not let these last phases of social deterioration go uncorrected. America and other democracies must become Humations or nations of humane and altruistic beliefs that will overcome liberal and conservative brinkmanship. Dialogue and understanding is the first step to saving a civilization. Conflict resolution must become an occupation of many in order to put the stops on a society headed for failure, but it must not be the old politically correct, intellectually derived version of liberal hegemony. We must become a Meritocracy. To reestablish a nation into a phase two form requires the following:

• Return to basic moral and legal systems or human responsibility.
• Install a Primary Tech (reevaluation of natural systems) curriculum in the public schools and adult programs to stress self-sufficiency and survival in a highly technological world as well as nature orient world. Encourage entrepreneurship.
• Create new Legal System amendment to the constitution mandating that all suits (court costs) must be paid by the loser which includes the lawyer.
• Eliminate all public references to races, genders, or groups and stress laws for humanity. No quotas, no special privileges for anyone other than teachers, (includes president, congress, government, groups, lobbyist).
• Mandate that all tax bills must first run the gamut of decreasing federal spending before any new percentage increase is voted upon.
• Establish tax credits for teachers that return to schools or seminars for added learning benefits to America's classrooms and economy.
• Establish across-the-board percentage tax (19%) rather than a graduated tax system, for every individual in America. Eliminate the IRS as a cut in spending.
• Stop all immigration into the United States, and develop a system of allowing persons to enter only when positions are found in the job force to support that person. Disallow any support for aliens such as free schools, medical, welfare, etc. unless a sponsor can be found in the current citizenry or they pay until they become a citizen.
• All aliens will be deported immediately at the cost of the alien, his nation, his family, or at the taxpayers cost. Our nation suffers for the few that have become the many.
• Increased aid to border nations and nations that tend to migrate, in the form of educational technology for their economic future should serve as leverage. Install programs to make that nation a good place to live. This should become our priority. Use Multimedia ED programs.
• Establish a merit system where experience, background, knowledge, passion, work ethic, and employment record will determine position rather than relying on educational courses taken or degrees held as a primary criteria. Credentialism must end when experience lacks.

• Religion is private and each person is responsible to keep it between themselves and their God. All churches have a right to petition the government for considerations. Moments of silence are encouraged in public but no one church may the stressed. Morality is encouraged based upon traditions of the founding nation and each citizen's church.
• Media have a responsibility to consider the programming worth of their products toward the public good. Educating consumers for street-smarts and criminal activity is counter productive to our children and our families. Soaps also have created increased consideration for family breakup and fragmentation of our nation. Networks must become more responsible.

As a nation, we need to get involved and change the course that we are now on. Otherwise, we will end just like all those other fools of the past. Isn't it time humanity finally did something right?

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Henry Baum wrote:

You can destroy the current paradigm without destroying people.

The owners want to destroy the infrastructure of the internet first. They are hoping that Solar Storm activity in 2012 will destroy the Earth's communication satellites that orbit the Earth and the Electrical power grids on the Earth. This would effectively shut down the internet. If this happens, they think that their slaves will destroy those that oppose them and, in the process, reduce the world population to about 3,000,000,000 people. After this, they think that their slaves will rebuild everything for them. The Owners, in reality, aren't very inteligent as a group. The Owners don't know how to rebuild everything and many of their slaves know it! Furthermore, their potential victims, us, know it. So, their "Slaves" will turn on them and probably want to work with the rest of us in order to rebuild!

In conclusion, the tip of the day is to sell U.S. Dollars and/or any assets that you have that are denominated in U.S. Dollars before the Chinese start selling their dollars and/or their assets that are denominated in U.S. Dollars. The Chinese will start selling before the end of 2010 and possibly as early as next week! I live in Japan and I have this on very very...very good authority! This isn't Bull Sh!t!

What do you think?

cnnek

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Hell, most of the Chinese Dollars were originally counterfeit anyway. They got it from the North Koreans too. Who knows how much they are passing off as real. China has one big problem...to many people in the countryside who are not getting to partake of their grandstand plays. Those folks will revolt someday and then, where will they be??? Probably in boats coming to take over your house with about 5-8 families in your home. Then, who will be a slave???

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Enigmni Freak,

You really don't understand the internal affairs of China. China is going to start selling its soverign{government owned} dollar denominated Treasuries and Corporate Bonds, as well as, its foreign reserve of dollars which were obtained on the foreign exchange market through banks; because, the dollar is worthless and the U.S. is dying! There is no way to save the U.S.! Greece is in better condition than the U.S.! Try using U.S. Dollars outside of the U.S..

What do you think?

cnnek

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I believe we can survive. We still have a few tricks up our sleeves and China can try all it wants, those folks that number close to half a billion souls out in the hinterland will soon be making demands. Slavery for them will come home soon. They will rebel. Mark my words.

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Enigmni Freak,

People in China are taken care of by the Government. There will be no rebellion; because, the Chinese aren't stupid. They make sure that their population is taken care of properly; because, they don't want them to rebel! Furthermore, in this part of the world, most people prefer simple life styles that are devoid of decadent luxuries, myself included!

Did you know that the Chinese Government never enforced its one child policy in rural areas?

You really don't understand this part of Asis!

What do you think?

cnnek

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People in china see what the west has and are pointed toward the potential of owning a Buick. Yes, they are awakening to a realm of freedom that will eat away at their inner minds. The folks in the hinterland are grumbling and it will happen first with the youth, then it will spread and with the numbers living there it will be exponential. Malthusian thought is ripe for China. Unless China develops a more peaceful mindset, it will eat upon itself not unlike the god of the Chavin. I have privy to information that you apparently do not have. Pity. My most ancient experiences are of the Jomon...ancestors of some who live in China. This mindset is the highest on Earth and unless it is reclaimed, China will go the way of all over productive realms. There are too many living there and it will soon double. China cannot worry about the rest of the world, because it is the rest of the world. Too much of a good thing is sickening.