GLOBAL WARMING & THE MARS CLIMATE ORBITER

As one who believes we should proceed AS IF climate warming IS proven - if only because sooner or later it's likely to become true - I deplore those who're hostile to the so-called deniers but have nothing critical to say about the compilers of various reports who lazily cobbled together any old material and came up with outrageously exaggerated scenarios to clinch them receiving unquestionable authority, simply because with all the hysteria they were generating they thought they'd already won the argument.

An approach and attitude which's appalling for two reasons:

1) in their arrogant assumption they didn't need to - or, even, SHOULDN'T HAVE TO - explain or answer to anyone, they risked the complete loss of credibility for global warming as even a possibility, (and already a number of honest scientists've admitted Science as whole's been brought into disrepute by their antics);

2) but for being challenged by the so-called deniers none of their errors would've come out, in which case when the same people who compiled the sloppy reports rushed - "Doing NOTHING is NOT an option!" style - to devise and carry out their 'solutions' for Warming we'd've probably ended up with a cackhanded outcome far more catastrophic than when the Mars Cimate Orbiter was lost due to the conflict between one part of its program handling everything in feet and inches, while another part carried out all its calculations in metric.

If the situation's as critical as some suppose, then we need cool-headed precision and accuracy, not the hot-headed wild-assed shots in the dark approach of people who'd be called cowboys if they approached fixing your roof in the same manner.

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Kathrinn's picture
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And very nicely put - thanks Mystic Al. Unfortunately I think most of the proponents of "You all need to go very green now" were also thinking of the money they could make from a panicky population if they banged their drums hard enough.

Regards, Kathrinn

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And very nicely put - thanks Mystic Al. Unfortunately I think most of the proponents of "You all need to go very green now" were also thinking of the money they could make from a panicky population if they banged their drums hard enough.

Regards, Kathrinn

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All this is correct, but we have to worry about continuity of the markets and economic viability.

Think I'm talking about the oil industry and all the big bad polluters?

No, I'm talking about markets like the trade in emissions indulgences certificates. This trade is worth upwards of $130 billion annually in CO2.

And of course there are the jobs of the regulating agencies in governments on the line, as well as many jobs in UN organizations and non-governmental agencies. People in non-profit organizations don't work for free, they have to feed their families too.

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Don't know how this reply got posted twice - something odd is going on with my internet connection; maybe the thunderstorm that I think is approaching us right now.

My apologies.

regards, Kathrinn

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the population is so programmed that when the people in power say something everyone jumps reguardless of the credentials.

It only takes a small amount of time in a cool, carm objective mind to find the true science of climate. Hysteria leads to chaos and no solution to any problem.

Our governments wanted to entrap us into paying for the multi-national, billion dollar profit polluters so they could keep polluting.

It only took 18 months for CO2 to become the cause and the only way of salvation was to pay for producing it. Seems somewhat lacking in logic to me.

I have a sneaky suspicion that peak oil and deminished reserves have something to do with this strange affair over the last 2 years.
Don't think for one minute that the middle east oil is soley Arab. A lot of western companies poured money and resources into these countries after the second world war.

Money makes the world go round and oil lubricates it. Take the oil away and you will have friction. Unless you find an alternative lubricant.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.