Could an EMP Effect have destroyed an Advanced Civilization 12.900 years ago...
Posted by Enigmni Freak at 16:29, 03 Apr 2009See this: http://www.mondovista.com/emp.html
What ever took place in ancient times, Advanced Knowledge was ended some 12,900 years ago. The Trends and Condition for evaluation/s of the Psychographics of such a civilization are highly limited at present but the fact remains that somewhere on this earth, that advanced mentality once was working in parts of this Earth. Ooparts all over the Earth show that there was an advanced society somewhere on this Earth. Egypt, Sumer, India, Japan and many other places on Earth show the base springboard to their civilizations were in some working order during that distant period. If a fragmented comet came into our vicinity the possibility that some parts of it might have detonated just like an EMP. If this happened, we might not be far from experiencing that same instant dip into the Stone Age once again and eating each other to survive.
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20 March 2006
9 weeks 42 min
http://www.pnas.org/content/104/41/16016...
One wonders if North Korea could package an EMP in their new rocket. Would they try to level the playing field with this one time blast??? Let's hope not.
22 November 2004
2 weeks 16 hours
Actually, if you check your records, a nuclear bomb does cause significant EMP.
But it is unlikely, in my judgement with limited information, that North Korea is going to explode even a small nuclear device with their scheduled rocket this weekend.
It is even more unlikely that North Korea would know how to do anything major, in a technological sense. They stole or bought everything they have, directly or indirectly, from the Russians.
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It is not how fast you go
it is when you get there.
1 May 2004
6 min 20 sec
I have always felt that previous civilization was more advanced and not as vulnerable as we are to this phenomena. For instance, how do you store the knowledge necessary to, say, build a pyramid? With an EMP, it couldn't be an ipod or laptop. Somehow the ancients preserved this knowledge. If a book had been utilized, you would think at least some fragment would have been found. This makes me think that information was stored where we aren't looking with an advanced, EMP proof technology. The storage devices or readers may be sitting unrecognized on some dusty museum shelf! I vote for the destruction of past civilization occurring by physical forces or warfare rather than EMP.
20 March 2006
9 weeks 42 min
If the conditions are right, the EMP-Effect could take place with a comet of perfect-storm construct and the Effect to distort Electromagnet data thus destroying any technology composed as we are familiar. But, you have a point, that I wish to expand upon. Yes, our ancestors were much smarter than are we. The evidence of our past is held in the constructs or engineering and mathematics of our great feats of the past.
I just read your head, Ha — Ha it is very good (I was a former Advertising Particular). I love good heads...you are a good thinker.
What we have could be our version of The Tower of Babel. Without our electromagnetic realm, we would first resort to cannibalism and of course the spread of Aids would be everywhere. But within a month, this world would be back to Chaos. In a year, we would be straight back to 1800s. I would sure miss my computer. But I have about 2000 books that I would reread with my 16 by my side.
Orion
22 November 2004
2 weeks 16 hours
Enigmi,
you say that "Ooparts all over the Earth show [my epmnasis] that there was an advanced society somewhere on this Earth. Egypt, Sumer, India, Japan and many other places..."
Can you say more precisely, with your scientific background, what you mean by "show"?
In my fields of expertise, "show" means a very strong proof, not just consensus among the believers.
But stay with me for the next point please:
The other, and separate, question is what do you think about the pre-agricultural societies?
With the pre-agriculturals it seems reasonable to me (and I have no proof whatsoever) that they must have been quite advanced in our modern understanding.
I guess this because the early agriculturals, in many places essentially at the same time, seem to have developed the same concepts. Accounting (i.e. writing and early mathematics), water management, differentiating between lowly farmers and hunting kings.
As I said just a few lines ago, this happened in a seemingly automatic way, no matter where it happened.
This suggest to me that the pre-agri societies had a similar structure (OK I'm not the first one to get this idea). But also that the Eurasian pre-agri societies were connected, by trade or some other communication.
After all, people have always moved, travelled, and talked.
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It is not how fast you go
it is when you get there.
20 March 2006
9 weeks 42 min
I am what I am...a thinker, a dreamer, a pop-corn popper...But I have thoughts that few can and do entertain. I meditate and can visualize beyond most on this earth. I have been blessed with amplified knowledge and wisdom. Yet, who cares. I was a university teacher and an administrator and saw the inside of man's educational systems. I feel a kinship with Manly P. Hall. I have tons of books on my shelves and they are full with notes and highlights...all preparations for refuting others and writing books. Now, I am old and my mind is half of what it once was...I get joy from my cat who came up to my wife and I almost as a gift from God. I can see through Time. I am a Psycho-cognitive — a surveyor of Be-man-ship. I study and I meditate upon what I study, I have had numerous euphoric experiences which are abjectly astounding. Blue-white light appears and within the Light reigns the total expanse of Knowing...I have wanted to join it and leave this place but I am too slow. I have maintained consciousness amplified for the picoseconds that these openings have provided. (By the by, I have never taken drugs). This Experience is the Kabbalah (revelation). I have taught others to see this...It is the most wonderful experience anyone can have on this side. What else can I say...I work at using all of what I have been provided and I am in awe of being here in Time/Space.
Some of what we see of Pre-ag are in reality a more sophisticated form of growing. It is also evidence of society being highly sparse after the run of the Comet or the Carolina Bays Event. The Earth was swept some 12,900 years ago and swept clean. Much is down below the seas and some held in the Ice at both poles. Prior to present, Earth was not as full of people as it is presently. Occupations we centered on Genetic creations rather than the silly stuff we do now to preoccupy our Pop-cult minds. Nature once was our gig. Few realize that we could have a glorious realm if we returned to that form of highly advanced knowing. Humanity is indeed the ultimate Sinner given all the wealth he inherits upon being born here...selfishness destroys our potential as a collective, multifaceted being.
1 May 2004
2 days 8 hours
although the information that has been released is scant at best, the facts speak for themselves. An advanced race of beings from another planet crashed and lived for years in the mountains in China. The evidence scatted around is beyound doubt of this. This occurred around 12,000 years ago.
"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.
22 November 2004
2 weeks 16 hours
Well, I am not convinced that there was a superior civilization in those days, 12k years ago.
But I think it is certain that people lived in an organized way in those days, and the most interesting evidence is under water now, on the coastlines.
What makes it more difficult is that it is under 10k years of silt, under the water. We won't find it unless we know where to look.
The classic view is that people walked from Africa to the rest of the planet, 50k years ago, give or take a few thousand. I still think they also had boats, perhaps with sails. How else did they get to Australia?
Then, when and why did they lose this knowledge?
As for China, they current authorities probably don't release things that suggest the older cultures were not Chinese. They have their pride in being the first.
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It is not how fast you go
it is when you get there.
20 March 2006
9 weeks 42 min
They were supposed to have discs that had some sort of language on them. It seems this information has not been developed. I wish China realized how much the West wants to know more about the very ancient past that they seem to have scattered around their realm/s. I believe that much of the advanced past is hidden off in the oceans and that they were the first to survive what ever was the precursor to the loss of all that past glory. In fact, China might be the key to humanity recovering all that lost data, if only they would fill that gap. I can see tons of books, movies and etc coming out about the vast recovery of our past. But No!
1 May 2004
2 days 8 hours
one thing we can be certain off is the amount of unexplained ruins and city's beneath seas. Monoliths and steal pipes dated to prehistory. To rule out any of what you have said and many others would be ignorant of us.
"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.
22 November 2004
2 weeks 16 hours
How far under the sea?
We have some little evidence, but it is all fairly recent.
Giving how long people have walked the coastlines, nevermind the boats, there must be a LOT more buried. From even older than the 12000 or so years.
I often advocate going to space more than we do. Mars, Moon again, Asteroid belt and all that.
At the same time we should investigate the continental shelves, where people walked, or paddled, or sailed, along the coasts.
Cities are not necessarily the things to look for. That is how we organized things after the arrival of agriculture. A low-density culture with, perhaps, intensive fishing, could have worked too.
But back before 12000 years, people certainly travelled and communicated. Only by word of mouth? Or with some kind of recording information?
We should go look. If they did it differently from us, we can learn something.
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It is not how fast you go
it is when you get there.
23 October 2006
7 weeks 5 days
Hi earthing -
as always, excellent insights on your part. A first investigation is being conducted off the west coast of Florida.
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
20 March 2006
9 weeks 42 min
They were us.
6 April 2010
21 hours 21 min
I too have felt a kinship with Manly Hall, have read his works, and follow his path to wisdom. As a student in philosophy I have seen wisdom dwindle around me in the most unfortunate ways. More than 60% of the students at my college don't even know where the library is. I have read some of your blogs and as a new member here, I am glad to find another "spirit" like mine. So thank you, and please do keep writing. Also, out of a grand curiosity, what university did you teach at? To be honest you remind me of a professor I had.
"Following the dog’s example, you will have to be wise in sniffing, smelling and estimating these fine and meaty books...after which you should break the bone and suck the substantial marrow..." ~ Rabelais
17 February 2010
1 day 2 min
I'm glad this article was brought back to the fore. Having just read your article on living with the 'primary technology' as you phrase it, I see this in a rather different light. Outwardly we seem to have gained some sort of mastery over the physical world, but in reality we are just children playing with our toys. And we share the child's disregard for the consequences of their fun-seeking, and likewise their contempt for anyone or anything that gets in the way. Our technology is based upon exploiting the most advanced technology we have at our disposal, namely the earth. I am interested with the idea of viewing nature in terms of a technology. Perhaps that is something to be considered by those who feel the need to dominate the earth rather than to understand it. Even if such people still feel compelled to bend the natural world to suit their own means, at the very least they might also feel compelled to preserve it.
Viewing our garden of Eden in this light, I have no doubt that ancient civilizations may well have been approaching some bright peak, while we crawl around in self-imposed darkness. It is easy to scoff at the possibility that ancient people were far more advanced than us, but it is a matter of perspective. I am not familiar with the evidence you have mentioned of artifacts, catastrophic EMP events, etc.; However, I find it quite likely that civilizations have indeed risen to higher peaks than ours. And just as likely that they have been cast back down because of or in spite of their 'Babylonian' aspirations. The so-called civilized world may indeed be experiencing a temporary, and perhaps short-lived, respite from bare survival.
28 March 2010
23 weeks 6 days
Here's a thought for you regarding the suggestion of "discs" with recorded information on them. During meditation and occasionally if I have Tibetan singing bowls playing simultaneously, I can sometimes hear voices that appear to be communicating something that I can't quite grasp. Could these simple but powerful devices or 'discs' (some of which, incidentally, apparently partly consist of ancient meteorite ores) have been devised to be records of information that can only be decoded when the listener/meditator's vibrations are active on a specific higher frequency (40 - 300 MHz)? Applicable also to the discussion that they originate from the Tibetan Himalayan region.
10 August 2004
8 hours 53 min
Your input to TDG was valued, and is now being re-valued since you came back - you did have much to contribute even if folk got really mad at you occasionally!
As far as a return to cannibalism might be concerned (mentioned in one comment), I think I'd be pretty safe - much too tough at my age, even after prolonged boiling.
Regards, Kathrinn
23 October 2006
7 weeks 5 days
Hi -
What we're fairly certain of is that disintegrating Comet Encke hit the Earth ca. 10,900 BCE. See Bill Napier's paper here:
http://cosmictusk.com
Many people died, and took their technology with them.
Many people barely survived, losing a lot of their technologies.
Their technologies were advanced for their times, but nothing like the technologies we have now.
The ice age really started to end then as well. Due to the rising sea levels from the melting ice pack, most of the remains of advanced coastal cultures from that time lie under 300 feet of water, except where geological forces raised them.
As far as the nuclear forces involved in large hypervelocity impacts, it is possible that the photons released do reach gamma ray levels and beyond; sufficient energy levels in fact to free neutrons, leading to far too young 14C dates.
Do we need to move to better technologies? Yes, in my opinion.
As for the Chinese disks, I have not seen them, so can offer no comment on them.
From what I know, many of the "mysteries" of history have their answers in impact events. But man's stupidity plays a role as well.
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
18 September 2007
6 hours 58 min
I'm agnostic on the subject of "Atlantis" but I must admit that the timing of the Carolina Embayment impacts and the unusual annual migration of eels to the Sargasso Sea off Bermuda do enticingly point to Bermuda being a remnant of a larger land mass subsumed by tidal waves resulting from the Carolina impacts. The myth of Atlantean tecnological overreach would have then perhaps been all about trying to guide comets and meteors which project backfired and caused a major screw up. Such fun to speculate!
23 October 2006
7 weeks 5 days
I'm agnostic on the subject of "Atlantis" but I must admit that the timing of the Carolina Embayment impacts and the unusual annual migration of eels to the Sargasso Sea off Bermuda do enticingly point to Bermuda being a remnant of a larger land mass subsumed by tidal waves resulting from the Carolina impacts. The myth of Atlantean tecnological overreach would have then perhaps been all about trying to guide comets and meteors which project backfired and caused a major screw up. Such fun to speculate!
Most likely Plato simply elided three separate memories to comet up with his moralistic tale of Atlantis:
1) The date from Holocene Start or YD impacts, ca 10,900 BCE
2) Memories of Thera and the "Minoans"
3) The Great Atlantic Impact Mega-tsunami, ca 1050 BCE
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
22 November 2004
2 weeks 16 hours
The depopulation of Malta was perhaps not forgotten in Plato's time. Atlantis seems like another composite story.
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We are the cat.
18 September 2007
6 hours 58 min
Given the age of the known visible universe and the time it took for life to kick off on our planet, isn't it the unlikely scenario that our planet hasn't been visited by ET's or that it isn't currently populated however discretely by advanced technology ET's? Just the odds alone seem to argue for the planet having been continuously visited by advanced technology cultures and for those cultures to have messed around with the genetics of the planet's life forms. Seems like we have the "odds" thing inverted. The main fallacy might be that C is the ceiling for speed when in fact transdimensional holing is probably discovered by all sentient cultures more than a few million years old.
22 November 2004
2 weeks 16 hours
To arrive at a probability of aliens visiting this planet over a given amount of time, we have to make a fair number of assumptions.
Such as the number of planets that will support alien life that recognize us as being alive. We don't know this.
And the ease of transdimensional holing. We don't know if that is even possible, never mind how hard it is. Or how expensive. Or how unpleasant.
And the amount of interest aliens would have in our corner of the universe. Why would they want to come here? And if it is interesting, how would they know?
If we take all the unkowns that we know about, and try to estimate the error in a probability estimate, that error will be so large that it makes the probability estimate meaningless.
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We are the cat.
23 October 2006
7 weeks 5 days
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And the amount of interest aliens would have in our corner of the universe. Why would they want to come here? And if it is interesting, how would they know?
Why? Entertainment value. Everyone enjoys a good laugh.
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
21 February 2009
1 day 7 hours
Hi Earthling,
I love this subject, it’s a metal confudle.
I do think there is a great mixture here between materialistic and paranormal arguments though. When reading the comments I tend to see people who would normally posit universal knowledge fields, reincarnation, God/s, transdimensional consciousness travel, spiritual awakenings suddenly going all ‘evolution/planetary formation/speed of light-y’ in their comments. It makes me wonder.
For those who think we are about to wake up spiritually to a new dawn of paranormal realisation surely the whole question of ET encounters doesn’t need to be treated so materially. Perhaps we don’t need to be visited physically, but are continuously being visited by aliens on astral planes. Maybe these show up through our perceptual filters as ghosts. Who knows. Maybe aliens just use a universal psychic internet so don’t really bother travelling physically.
I just think that some of the paranormal explanations that are quite often expressed here would require a re-examination of the alien phenomena if they were true.
For example, if there was a universal knowledge field perhaps it already stores the location of all sentient species in the galaxy. There would be no need to search for alien species if we, or aliens, could just read each others locations from it; so the odds of being found by aliens become the same as the odds of accurately saying where America is if you have an encyclopaedia in your hand, i.e. 1 in 1.
Then if it were possible to dis-embody ourselves, as OBE’s suggest, and astrally plane then why build spaceships at extreme cost and send them out just to take a look. Even if the ships are cheap to you it might make more sense to do it that way and be home in time for tea.
So many possibilities I just find it strange that people enjoying otherworldly/other-dimensional explanations for ourselves become so material when considering aliens and travel between the stars.
23 October 2006
7 weeks 5 days
"The boundless sea rang terribly around,
And the earth crashed loudly:
Wide Heaven was shaken and groaned,
And high Olympus reeled from its foundation
Under the charge of the undying gods,
And a heavy quaking reached dim Tartarus
And the deep sound of their feet in the fearful onset
And of their hard missiles.
So, then, they launched their grievous shafts
upon one another,
And the cry of both armies as they shouted
Reached to starry heaven;
And they met together with a great battle-cry.
"Then Zeus no longer held back his might;
But straight his heart was filled with fury
And he showed forth all his strength.
From Heaven and from Olympus he came forthwith,
Hurling his lightning:
The bold flew thick and fast
From his strong hand
Together with thunder and lightning,
Whirling an awesome flame.
The life-giving earth crashed around in burning,
And the vast wood crackled loud with fire all about.
All the land seethed,
And Ocean's streams
And the unfruitful sea.
The hot vapour lapped round the earth-born Titans:
Flame unspeakable rose to the bright upper air:
The flashing glare of the thunder-stone and lightning
Blinded their eyes for all that there were strong.
Astounding heat seized Chaos:
And to see with eyes and to hear the sound with ears
It seemed even as if Earth
and wide Heaven above came together;
For such a mighty crash would have arisen
If Earth were being hurled to ruin,
And Heaven from on high were hurling her down;
So great a crash was there
While the gods were meeting together in strife.
Also the winds brought rumbling earthquake and duststorm,
Thunder and lightning and the lurid thunderbolt,
Which are the shafts of great Zeus,
And carried the clangour and the warcry
Into the midst of the two hosts.
An horrible uproar of terrible strife arose:
Mighty deeds were shown and the battle inclined.
But until then,
They kept at one another
And fought continually in cruel war.
And amongst the foremost Cottus and Briareos
And Gyes insatiate for war raised fierce fighting:
Three hundred rocks,
One upon another,
They launched from their strong hands
And overshadowed the Titans with their missiles,
And buried them beneath the wide-pathed earth,
And bound them in bitter chains
When they had conquered them by their strength
For all their great spirit,
As far beneath the earth to Tartarus.
For a brazen anvil
Falling down from heaven nine nights and days
Would reach the earth upon the tenth:
And again,
A brazen anvil
Falling from earth nine nights and days
Would reach Tartarus upon the tenth.
Round it runs a fence of bronze,
And night spreads in triple line all about it
like a neck-circlet [torc],
While above grow the roots of the earth and unfruitful sea.
There by the counsel of Zeus who drives the clouds
The Titan gods are hidden under misty gloom,
In a dank place where are the ends of the huge earth.
Extract from Hugh G. Evelyn-White's translation of Hesiod's Theogony,
Available from The Berkeley Online Medieval and Classical Library
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
14 July 2008
6 days 4 hours
If I may, there does seem to be a suggestion in records/remains of various ancient cultures, that something happened in the neighborhood of 10,000 years ago that changed the course of civilization.
Please note that the words ‘seem’ and ‘something’ are as close as I come to taking out my trusty broad brush and painting this subject to a specific hue. And it’s not because I don’t have a fairly won opinion on the subject… but it is nothing more than that; an opinion.
While taking said opinion out for walk, though, I’ll also go so far as to say that it could be that there was, at one point in a time that we have but scant memory of, at least one advanced culture upon the Earth that suddenly disappeared... but not before it sowed seeds of that culture across the planet.
If one can imagine this great, advanced city/state/nation in the 10,000 to 15,000 years ago scene, it can be used as a stitching needle, if you will, to sew up a number of mysteries of how a whole slew of cultures went from rubbing stones together to make the first music, to building monumental cities, irrigated fields and ultimately, debuting the 1957 Chevrolet Belair.
Rounding the corner, my opinion is obviously ready to go back inside so... all we really lack here is any trace of exactly where said lost civilization was, any written record of the same (except for Homer’s second hand tale) and an explanation of exactly what caused their sudden demise.
Cheers :)
"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."
18 September 2007
6 hours 58 min
"that error will be so large that it makes the probability estimate meaningless."
Exactly, and that was my real point. Given our current understanding of physics it is ludicrous for us to be attempting to calculate the odds of visitation, and these calculations also conveniently ignore the other possibility which is that UFO sightings could just as well be traces of a civilization that is actually in permanent residence here, however discretely, and has been for a very long time.