Standing stones poltergeists or?

Hello

Last time I posted I mentioned that my dear friend passed on - that was John Michell - we worked on numbers, geometry and standing stones together (crop circles too were fun in the hey day because of the geometry, pints of cider and radical conversations).

Now, I have been posting on the Grail for a long time now, some posters are gone, there are new ones now, but I see there are still some of my buddies still hanging out - that is good as they will remember some of my posts about paranormal events that have happened in my life.

So, I do not know what to think about this - first I would like to hear what others think about as in - Do physical objects other than what we call live as in blood, guts, cells, all of that vs. rocks ( which do have life really ) glass, plastic and so forth - do you think it is possible for other entities other than "live" matter have consciousness? Some form of being and thought process - knowingness - a life of their own? It has been shown that plants understand and many organisms......(Peter Tompkins and Christopher Byrd)

My story is as follows and I think about it as I am still grieving over John.

The evening before Solstice Day while playing in my garden - I was at my standing stone and praying about John. I was planning on Solstice day to use my compass, rod and marker and measure the Sun's shadow like I normally do on seasonal and celestial events and do my thing .....Solstice Day I went out and my large standing stone that is my Solstice stone, well it was still standing but the stones that were behind it that hold it up were toppled over. This freaked me out. I thought of John and Gerald Hawkins ( Gerald my adopted father, he wrote the book Stonehenge Decoded - he was an astronomer and friends with John Michell) I was very close to these men - (Gerald passed in 2003 and I was having poltergeist type experiences in my home & other places ( weird sh8t - in 2005 things got stronger and flying books and all - later these flying books were witnessed at a book signing at Malaprops here in Asheville). Anyway - I am in the grieving period still - I have been writing and looking at pictures of us - just reflecting and dealing with my feelings and loss. I had talked to the fellow who picks up my garbage in the woods here to the recycle bin about droppings I had found that were near my drive way - they have large berry seeds in them, more like wild cherries and he said they were bear droppings. I have had bear here before in my drive way (I really live the woods). I began to think it was a bear that toppled my stones (these are huge large stones though) Owen my garbage man told me it could have been a bear - they like to stand on stones. Well, OK, I accepted that and then told myself there are some mysteries that can be explained. However, I will never get those stones back up like they were. ( maybe I will take pics of what happened because too, there is a hand inscribed on the large stone from the claw that picked it up off the original ground for transport to my field that looks like the "Hand of God"; a symbol that Oliver Lodge used in his writings about reincarnation. (Gerald educated me on methodology about many things - we studied paranormal events together and documented many things - he was more than an astronomer; he was even into doing the geometry with me while I surveyed the crop circles in the late 80s early 90s) Anyway again.............this standing stone and surrounding stones are very very special to me. Well the other day after writing about John, I noticed that my picture of my Solstice stone that hangs here on the wall near my computer downstairs here has fallen off the wall and the frame is broken, but the glass is not, and the picture is hanging on end on an old antique Bible set up against the wall with a few other books- (it opened the Bible up my means of my computer speaker getting bumped and jamming into it and opening up the book to a page) I do not know what page yet (to read and see what it is about) as I have not moved the picture yet - I want to take a photograph of it first before I put it all back together. But what I find so weird is that my standing stone has broken apart the night before the Solstice ( because it was there the night before - so it was during the night) and the picture I have of it is now broken and such.....a few pictures of me on the wall are tilted at the same angles as each other as well (one of me on top of Silbury Hill - back in 1993, and the other one I am underwater with my hands floating up like an Angel towards the sky with my snorkel mask on) ----the other photographs and certificates on my wall are still straight, only the pictures of me are highly tilted and my standing stone pic broken and off the wall. Now, that has freaked me out as that happen after I wrote that little journal on me and John and sent out an email about him to another fellow.....

I ask now, do stones and pictures have some form of brains, consciousness ???? And did my mind interact with them to create these events? Are they just coincidental? Is John reaching out to me? What? I have many thoughts about this. If I did not have a history of paranormal events in my life I would not recognize the connection maybe - but things have moved around my home before throughout my life, crystal moves, art pieces move, books fly off book cases, at other places too when I am around but they are usually related to a person on my mind or close to me. So, any thoughts about this?

I came here to write about this as I can't stop thinking about it at times as I see it when I am down here working and have not fixed it yet, and very day I am outside in my garden I see my standing stone and what happened and then I think of John - Gerald too - Both John and Gerald gave much of their life studying and researching standing stones, Nazca Lines and other anomalies. Gerald and John are really the later pioneers of archaeo-astronomy in the 20th century along with Alexander Thoms whom are the predecessors of Petrie and Norman Lockyear; who researched along the lines of astronomy and archaeology as well (besides the true ancient people who built such structures). Few have followed truthfully their findings to understand the ancients and their vast knowledge without sensationalism or just to sell books. Most authors writing about ancient sites now do not even know of these magnanimous men.

So, any one with some thoughts out there? I want to photograph these things and maybe pop them up on Circular Times --- If I can get it together to do it I will and eventually post the links at another time to them and you can see what I am talking about....but for now, I would appreciate to just hear some thoughts about this. I am open minded - however I am a healthy skeptic so I do not get too weird (yeah right - weird things just happen to me;) ;) ;). Remember I research this stuff because it happens to me, so I am looking for truths; not sci - fi ramblings. I would appreciate comments that are thoughtful and in perspective please.

Thanks bunches,
Colette Dowell XXX

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I really don't know what to think. I've read in the past about some of your paranormal experiences and you may just have to write these ones off as just some more that are inexplicable (unless someone comes up with some good answers, that is).

I do think rocks and such have a form of consciousness. I feel that photographs absorb some of the personality of those people, or the things, that are photographed, as information can definitely be retrieved from them if held and dwelt upon. (One photo 'bit' me once when I said something not too nice about the men in the picture!)

Perhaps you could try putting your hands on the rock and the pictures and asking why they have been disarranged. If only those connected with your two friends have been influenced, I feel there must be a reason, but not one that should make you feel disturbed or scared.

Hope these few thoughts help.

Love, Kathrinn

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Hi,

It does freak me out some. I do not feel like I am placing more into this than is necessary to make it out to be a poltergeist thing. If other stones and other photographs were to have fallen and it was not the Solstice and related to John and Gerald, well then I would just say things are falling apart. But when specific items that are intertwined fall and break then, yeah, that is weird. It is not like the other stones did it, the other photographs on the wall and degrees set place did not move, just the two pics of me on the wall and the standing stone pic. The bears have been around here before - they are the small ones. Little black bears?

The strange this about this particular stone too is that when I was building my hydro therapy unit, I had to back fill and bring in 16 loads of dirt in as my solarium is attached to my master bedroom and the gable end of my house, then there is a slope downwards - so I left the roots of the trees that were taken out and I had brought in 8 trucks of huge stones I hand picked from an excavation site to create an "Avenue of Stones" such as in Avebury----this holds up the terracing and creates a road as well. The standing stone = the truck was a dump truck - I was telling the driver to move slowly - dump a few stones, move on a bit so there would be separation and dump again. When this stone fell, it fell standing upright and stuck into the ground like an arrow and large stones fell behind it to support it upright - I hollered ," Stop!" and told him to just wait and let them settle, then move real slowly as to not disturb them and bring the dump back up as to not allow any more stones to drop. He did this and moved around the back way and I directed him to dump the remaining stones on the other side across to start creating the other side of the road - this is all on a slope ----so, anyway, I saw the claw mark that looks like an imprint of a hand and that is when I thought about the symbol used by Oliver Lodge......I thought that was very cool.........anyway, I was so pleased that I actually had a large standing stone upright as in Avebury. Later the driver left and we finished off our work day - this was in winter of 2001 and it happened to be Winter Solstice day that day we did this - I was out in the yard looking at the amazing avenue I created and was so happy - it started turning dusk. I got this weird feeling coming over me, I looked at the Moon and it was in alignment with the top point of the stone. I got my camera out and photographed and tracked the Moon.....It was "fullish"- not crescent ---- I took compass readings and my stone was smack on East (it you stand behind it and look smack straight it is East and I have the shots of the Moon directly over the tip of the stone......If I would have had to calculate and use a crane to drop that stone (it stands about 7 feet off ground, I do not know how much is under the ground), I do not think I would have got it accurate like that, it would have been a tremendous feat, but for it to just happen that way, well, I figured it to be a gift from the Universe......So, this particular stone I use for Equinox, Solstice, things of that nature, and every year I mark and measure the shadows and such. I can definitely tell what is going on in the seasons by the shadows and by watching the Moon and Sun. There is variation with the Moon, a bit one way or the other depending on the cycle, but that is normal. I feel blessed to have my standing stone. Gerald knew about this; when he passed I had my ritual on it for him and my cats Cornwall and Silbury were there with me and my dog Sarum. It was lovely.......Well, my stones mean a lot to me as you know I have researched ancient ruins and gone to may countries looking at pyramids, tumuli, standing stones, mounds, what ever - I love to be where the ruins are and go back in time in my mind and realize that a real human had created the monuments I was viewing. Also, the astronomical knowledge the ancients had was tremendous and I envy their minds. Back in the old days, they did not have TV or radios to distract them, they spent their evenings watching the stars and planets and passing their wisdom on to their children - by doing this, their sciences developed and it took thousands of years in some instances to understand the cycles of our solar system. We now have computers and hi tech telescopes to do this for us. However too now, modern children do not see the stars and planets as they once shown in our atmosphere as it has changed due to pollution, lights and climate. Stars are not in the city. I wonder a lot if the ancients could really see the planets in the skies back in the old days. The sky was blue in during the Renaissance as paintings show this - ( unless that was modern art to them at that time as in Picasso).

Anyway, with John and Gerald - what is interesting is they both knew each other and were colleagues, but had a love - hate affair as in ways scientists and researchers have their own madness and opinions. Even though they respected each other, there were at times rivalry and misunderstandings. Alexander Thom and his son Archie ( I knew Archie too) contributed much in the field of archaeo - astronomy as well as John and Gerald in the late part of the last century.

I do not understand any of this - it has been a life time search for me to understand the connection between our physical mind and our spirit consciousness and how it all works - there is some way it works together and works with the Universe - I have always felt it was through vibrations - wave forms - a matrix type thing - geometrical and on and on ------ (That is what freaked me out about that movie " The Matrix" - but that was artificial intelligence creating reality in a human mind ----that was a riveting movie for me to watch, wish I would have watched it sooner - I read the bits on my other post about the 13th? I forget the title. I would love to have those movies to watch).

Well, I will follow this posting and see if any one else has something to interject......just that I am older now (51) and many of my close friends are leaving me - (I was always the young one in the group) - I feel that there is a generation of fine researchers that are some where else now and not here - if I can still be in contact with them on what ever level I am able to (with out being schizophrenic or exploitive about it like others tend to be) then that is what I want to do - I do not want to be afraid or think I am nuts because of the things that happen around me. If paranormal things did not happen, the term would not have been developed and miracles and such would not have been written about throughout history - so I do know things do happen - I just always wonder why me? And then I have to deal with others who judge me and think I am nuts if I speak out on such matters (I have friends that really are not my friends I find out when I try to open up and express some of my feelings and experiences - they do not want to believe what I say or think I am just saying this stuff - but they have interest in it, it just let's say, "gets too close for home" and they freak out - they seem to want to be my friend for name dropping or something and I hate it - as in it is advantageous to be a friend of mine - this makes me feel terrible as they really do not stand up to what I would call ethical friendship and acceptance. I have to stay quiet a lot and not speak about many things - but I could always talk with Gerald and John and a few others who were seasoned; now they are leaving). I do not make any of my stories up, I do not create sensationalism. I have worked with many researchers who do this and I move on. That is why I am known I suppose for all of the anomalies I have looked into. I am curious for a personal reason - I am the person scientists investigate and I try to work with them, but I have seen where these people are not truthful and just want to exploit - that is not Kosher. The Russians I find to be most truthful in their research of paranormal; others seem to not understand how serious it really is and because it is vogue at times try to capitalize on it - this does not help out with serious researchers who are in search of truths - others just want attention and money or to go down in history with some theory that is bogus and in the long run will be known as one of those who created false majik - a hoax - a person of deceit and trickery - egos are hard and complicated.

So, I am open minded to hear some other thoughts on human consciousness and stones and other supposed inanimate objects -

Thank you,
XC

Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
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One of the most popular "explanations" for Poltergeist events is that the psychokinesis is triggered by a troubled teenager experiencing a lot of emotional turmoil.

Could it be that in some cases that hidden ability is not entirely lost in adulthood? I think that is plausible; in that case, couldn't it be that your recent state of grief over the loss of such an important person in your life is the source of energy behind these phenomena you've observed and intend to record?

Now, as for "consciousness" in inanimate objects; it is a tough question to answer, because frankly we haven't yet fully answered the question of WHAT consciousness is. If we don't have that established as a parameter in our own species, how can we go and measure it on other animals or even in inorganic objects?

And what about A.I. research? That is —strictly speaking— the attempt to give consciousness to an inanimate object; the distance between a CPU and a rock is much shorter than between a CPU and a human brain, if we examine these from a chemical structural point of view, don't you think?

I think I agree with Kathrinn that maybe these objects don't have an inherent consciousness on to themselves, but can be a "capacitor" of consciousness, an element that can store the energy of a sentient being, by methods that being might not be aware of, or capable of understand. But I admit this is highly speculative on my part, since I've established that I don't have an adequate understanding of what exactly is that, which I claim can be stored in a rock or a photo —consciousness.

To put it simply: what if a rock or a photograph can act like a USB Flash drive? The drive is not alive, it doesn't think, but it can store data in binary form. What if a rock is capable of storing strong emotions?

But, maybe we're getting further from the important issue here: maybe we shouldn't focus on understanding how these events occurred.

Maybe we should focus on what they mean.

What do you think the toppling of the rocks and the damage on the photos mean?

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Hi Red,

I just posted, now read your post.

Well, when Gerald was passing (not John), that week I kept looking at his photograph and moving it around my house and carrying it with me. I did not know why, I noticed I was doing it and wanted him near me room to room and I had this feeling I had to call him but I never did, I was going to wait until the week end. That week end Julia (his widow) called me to tell me Gerald passed earlier in the week and I was the last person she was going to call knowing the feelings it would create for me and her (she was like my mother - like on Mother's Day and such - give her the mom call and card). It was hard indeed.

As far as intend to record - I do not intend to record things, some events we experimented with we documented, but there are so many things that happen I do not intend to record as they are just part of my life and always have been. I intend to hope to photograph the stones and the photograph that fell..... I do not intend for anything to happen until some thing happens and then I take time to deal with it or move on -it has taken me time to even speak out about these recent events - and I did try to speak to one friend finally about it and she does not even return my emails now, so???? If we (Gerald or others) are working on a project I am open minded to see what happens and DO NOT put expectations on anything as that can alter the outcome of events. Many scientists do this with data. They create a theory and then look for data that supports their theory and put the puzzle together, and that is wrong to do that.....most cases their work sucks and is way off base.

Crystals can be programmed ----objects can be programmed as in a battery, the shell of a battery is just a shell but the energy comes from another source.

At times I feel it is the other person coming to me (most of the time it is), I also have precognitive dreams - this happens alot with people I know and they will call the next day and we have the conversation or an event will take place that I dreamed about. Now, whether I created the future with my thoughts or dreams I do not know. Or is this happening only in my reality and you are here now posting in my reality to converse with me in my thoughts but you are not real, as in physical, just a mental process of a mind dream or wave form???? Or am I hyper leaping and my mind is able to access the future that is real for all people? It can get very deep indeed to think about..... I also in healing others, can see into their bodies and my hands tend to go right where the pain is with out the patient telling me and then my hands seem to help heal them. My mother noticed I had this ability and gave me a book titled, " Your Healing Hands" - I was afraid for a long time - but thought that if there was a "God" I was given this gift to help others and that is what I have done with it and one reason why I am a doctor.

What do I think about the toppling and the photograph? Shock for first "feeling" - intellect - "curious" as for me to place meaning on the events, it can be many things and many meanings - I do not know. I tend to feel it is John coming through - ( we spoke alot about life after life as well as Gerald and me) .....but, I do not know. It could be that my mind is doing it, I do not know. Many times things have panned out where it has been a deceased loved one telling me information and I have helped with finding lost objects or what ever and helping the survivors get through the moments by being able to express things that come through me as if I am a vehicle for words to be spoken from a deceased loved one that can not speak to those who're unable to receive - and I speak of personal matters that I never knew between the individuals and never would have known; I am shown photographs in my mind, or videos it seems, and then words and audio type stuff -sometimes I physically feel things......the people I have helped, there is no way I would have known the intimate details and placement of particular lost items and such, it is very weird to say the least - and also missing persons --- police departments and such I have worked with through the years....so is it me? I do not know. I think partly and then party the other person. It also depends on what the situation is as there are all sorts of variables out there and weird stuff, people, earth things, air crashes ---- lots of things that are unexplainable to me and others - I can not decipher who causes what and that is part of my quest of understanding. As far as being able to help others health and be a conduit for what energy it is that is out there coming through me to help their bodies, well, that is me and the energy working hand and hand, but, I have to remove myself or I would get in the way of the energy that comes through me, if that makes sense to you.

XC

Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
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Greetings, Colette *smile*

Regarding the images & the one that is broken: Might this indicate your (as yet) unresolved turmoil regarding loss...?

Add to this the Stone standing and the Stones perceived by you to have fallen...Might 'laid to rest' signify their proper positions?

Loss and grief of and for loved ones are always difficult events in one's life. There comes a time when such inner turmoil needs be laid to rest for the peace-fulness of all concerned.

Midsummer encompasses the powerful force of both the masculine & feminine - those divine forces that unite in the creation of life. The Sun stands still - yet the moment signifies the power of active growth and re/production. Divine inaction producing the divine action...

It is, perhaps, highly probable that all things contain the spark of consciousness. Existence within a realm of Universal Consciousness would make it so. Universal Energies flow through all things to a greater or lesser extent - this may well be in proportion to the consciousness of the 'object' concerned - but it is, perhaps, also likely that 'consciousness' effects our surroundings in relation to our own present state (of consciousness). This might explain the recent events concerning those objects that are all linked within your psyche to your present inner and outer conscious & subconscious existence. It may be that you created these happenings - either solo or in league with the 'divine essences' of those departed. I would posit that the links were strong enough between you for you to draw upon those resonances...

All in all, these things may all point towards the same message - that which you know deep within and that which those 'departed' would also make known to you - it is a simple and loving one :

We are resting - Yet you/we are still standing - Time is high to fix your Self...

*Sincere embrace* & Bright Blessings.

~aurora

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I find that interpretation to be quite interesting.

It also resonates with me linking the breaking of the photographs with the ancient tradition of the Mexicas (also known as Aztecs) at the ceremony of the New Fire.

Every 52 years, when the "nominal" and "religius" calendars used by them coincided, the ceremony of the New Fire took place. People took their possessions and broke them: jars, vases, clothing, everything was smashed and burned, in waiting to see if the world would keep going.

So maybe, a possible interpretation would be trying to "let go", you know? We cling to objects that remind us of the people that meant something in our lives; photographs specially —there can be terrible quarrels in some families over who gets to keep the photos of a recently deceased relative!

But... is it not true that this is means a form of possession? That it is almost a ritualistic act to keep that person with us? Wouldn't be wiser and healthier to "let that person go", and be left but nothing but the feeling so joy and thankfulness for having had that person in our lives, if only for a brief period?

I don't know; maybe I'm not making any sense. But maybe all of this is calling you to have a renewal. For not clinging to the past and embrace what's next to come.

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Hello Aurora,

I had thought about the "laid to rest" "fallen" and so on - and also that I am moving on in a new period of my life - and to allow that.......The bit with the Bible I want to read, like what page that opened it up to. I think I am superstitious at times - but from my past experiences there are clues and such to follow - that is all part of some communication.

I just was shocked to see all of this - I feel sad and alone that my friends are leaving - they were great individuals who took me under their wings and in ways I felt safe in my relationships with them. I could talk about who I am , what I think and feel and I was accepted and we looked at events with curiosity and a veil of wanting to understand and learn - going back in time, reading past articles and papers about such things, compare this and that and , well, it was warming and personal, intimate yet intellectual as well - never as a joke, farce, hoaxing, nothing - serious and well observed. It is rare to find those qualities in people that are open minded to the paranormal and anomalies.........I hate cynics and terrible skeptics that are not educated or want to just exploit. I am a skeptic, but must be so I use discernment - I do not beleive everything I read or hear and it takes time for me to figure things out, but once I do I generally move on from bogus research people and their theories.

It is a new world out there in many aspects. In ways, it is not a world that I agree with - as in major principles and how things are unraveling. I am not a conspiracy freak - I do think that religion has played a big part in our human manipulation.

Personal experiences are not wide spread -in some instances there are similarities - there is also the unique factor.

The photographs, as in change, the one is me on top of Silbury Hill, that will never happen again as Silbury has fallen as well, and the other pic with me in the water, I have not been in the water at Lake James since that picture was taken because it is too polluted now. That was taken near 1999 I guess. So, those times in my life and world are gone as well - the whole picture as in looking at what has moved on my wall and outside is symbolic of change and not being able to go backwards - so as my name of my slogan for health care establishment suggests and my umbrella name (besides Circular Times) created in 1989 - "Moving Forward" - that is true and always will be.

Clues - I was thinking about Greg and the picture of the cover of Dan Brown's new book or? he posted to see the images and symbols - I looked at it - I never read any of his work and never saw his movies, but they are about clues too aren't they? And weird things and things to come? I know it is not true, but based off stories that may be true or people's thoughts and agendas throughout time.

The cycle of rebirth as in destroying items and such, I have heard about this before & their saints - in Central America - (I have spent much time there in Guatemala and Belize, Yucatan and Chiapas ---) I questioned the locals and jungle grade natives about legends - been to festivals ----they have really intelligent thoughts and tales they retain - they have lessons to be learned in them. I like Central America and the architecture - I do not believe that modern man's interpretation on the Mayan Calendar is appropriate though- and there are as usual, far out New Age author's writing their theories as if they are truth. That is all I have to say about that and 2012 - (for now) -:)
Thanks,
XC

Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
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I think I should switch posts as I may be going into a different direction - however I would like to know how to post pics here with out posting on my mag with links (if that is possible) thanks, XC
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It is not really considered Kosher to insert pics here at TDG, Colette.

Of course, maybe Papa Greg would be willing to make an exception with a long-time friend and collaborator such as yourself ;-) But that is something he alone can respond.

He, all this links to the discussion I'm having with Jameske regarding those libertarian sea platforms some wealthy weeks want to build. Even in such an egalitarian community such as TDG, there are some rules that are needed to preserve harmony.

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No, I will do as others do - I had remembered that Dan Winters ( old friend of mine as well ) ---- he posted pics, but, way too many and was advertsing his whatevers they were - maybe he had an arrangement with Greg.

I just took the inside pics with and without flash, have to do camera work on the computer and transfer and then load create a new page and load to my sites, this will tkae me time - I will sort through the photos - when ever I can accomplish this I will post the url.

Hey, I read the bits about the floating city - yes, I have old info on this-----Paul Caron, he is Director of Earth Haven, he introduced me to that particular concept and what was going on about it years ago - so it is coming more into fruition??? Paul is into community and off grid this and that. I was involved with Earth Haven - it is here in the mountains of NC - Buncombe County - Paul has articles on CT - he is highly into sci- fi, and real reality that is way out there and then Terrance too - shrooms - all of what is far out , but may be possible.

Things we thought about years ago, as in 2001 Space Odyssey ( spelling?) they are coming true. The book, 1984 -that is here as well and other ideas we thought as sci- fi and futuristic ( it did not take as long as once thought to develope the technology in respect to the bell curve) - Many things we write and think ahead pans out. I do not see though in reality how a floating city can really surive and maintain - corporations will fight, there will still be egos and power/financial struggles - there will still be humans on board - and as you know, humans can be very destructive.

Thanks Red - Later
Cx

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[T]here will still be humans on board - and as you know, humans can be very destructive.

That is exactly my main argument: we don't need new governments to repeat the same stupid mistakes over and over. We need better citizens; we need to improve Man, and after that governments and institutions will change effortlessly.

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Nothing will change for the better until humans can improve their beings - well, I do not know if that is possible - maybe DNA intervention, but that is playing God and manipulating nature again - so where does it stop - were does it begin?
Peace -

Dr. Colette M. Dowell ND
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...but most are now what they are taught and believe. This is the point where change will be made. Once the military industrial complex is exposed for it's elitism and control manipulations really are, then we will be taught what we really are and break free. Until then the ego and greed will rule. Maybe another 100 years or so and things will change for the better. Here's hoping anyway.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.