News Briefs 12-05-2011

Bound by the science that lives on the lips of the wise.

Thanks Rick & Greg.

Quote of the Day:

"UFO investigative research has become like a three day news cycle where a new sighting is revealed, everyone gets excited for a couple days, and then after the “it’s unusual but we don’t know” conclusion is arrived at, everyone goes back to their daily lives, and we wait for the next UFO story to break.

This cycle has made it easy for people to make up stories or dump disinformation into the UFO community because the main focus of ufologists has become finding the latest greatest case that can be talked about online or presented at a conference. Those wishing to drop a bad case into the UFO community can be assured that someone will jump on it."

Grant Cameron

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I totally agreed with the findings of this report - that it is all a fake! This footage has never been anywhere near either a 16mm or 35mm film camera, and the associated 'projector' noise is simply the sound of an 8mm home movie projector running on a slow speed.

16mm or 35mm film shot in the 1950s and 60s has a very distinctive look to it that present day 'fakers' totally fail to reproduce: any film technician from that era can tell at a glance what is real or not, a bit like art experts can instantly spot fake old masters etc.

As hoaxes go, this one is not very good, so 3 out of 10 for me.

Nostra

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The thing that nailed it for me the moment I first saw it, was the fact that the alien is never shown walking, or interacting with anything (or anyone). That would have required a lot of effort.

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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firstly, these ET thingy's don't blink. This one did.
secondly, the camera men of that era avoided close up shots at all cost. Their equipment was just not good enough.
Lighting played many tricks on the old films taken by hand helds.
To pan or move in would have darkened it instantly, even though that was not the case in this clip, the natual or other lighting used would still have made it much darker as it would not have been a studio designed for this take. If it were it would have been taken on a tripod and the lighting would have been purpose done.

I've watched hundreds of these so called alien films and 99% are hoaxes. But there are one or two out there that are not.

"Life can be whatever you want it to be, as long as you do what your told."
LRF.

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I have come to the point where I am absolutely sure that we... any of us, all of us, wouldn't know a real ET video or picture if it came up and bit us on our paranoid beehives.

The reason I am sure of this is that it has come to the point where even those who claim to want to believe, are in abject denial. And the reason for this suit of armor denial is exactly that... to protect us from being taken.

In sum, we are so fearful of being fooled - in an age when fakery can be created to be indistinguishable from the real deal - our only avenue of defense is to deny everything. What this means is that there will never be an alien/UFO video or picture good enough to satisfy our paranoia whether it is indeed real or not.

Experts and 'desk'perts abound. Many will claim this worthless title to merely endorse their opinion... value added or not.

ATS is quite likely a storefront op for one of the family of alphabet soup intelligence gathering agencies. What a better way to identify and track your most dedicated conspiracy theorists than to build a fire that they will flock to like moths?

Besides all that, I just don't think we are smart enough anymore to be able to tell the difference, one hundred percent for sure, between the best material from the industrial faker and the genuine article. And even if we were, there are no set standards to follow on a subject that has been so successfully left 'unknown' and 'unidentified'.

We are left to working with guesses and probabilities. Nothing more. And in the case of the alien video... yes, it is probably a fake. But I don't know of anyone who spent time going to college getting a degree in alien physiology or UFO identification.

After that, you may find yourself being taken by those claiming to save you from being taken.

In this time, open minds cringe behind locked doors.

"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."

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The record shows that I've been open to analyze video evidence dismissing it out of hand. As a result of this, several times I've been forced to recant and acknowledge that a given video is indeed fake —e.g. the Jerusalem UFO videos.

I'm cool with that. Nobody can have a perfect batting record. Infallibility is NOT part of the search for knowledge, or the scientific method.

But I imagine I will still try to find the videos that are genuine, since there definitely are some of those out there. The irony is that we'll never be able to surmise that they are 100% authentic, only that so far as we know, they're never been shown convincingly that they are forgeries or misidentification. The famous MvMinnville photos from the 1950s come to mind.

With these videos I can only say that the first 2 or 3 seconds I was intrigued, but after a while something in my mind started to recognize the subtle tell-tale signs of CGI. The fact that the face of the alien is always slightly obscured was also a suspicious factor. I do give them props from trying to come up with an appearance that was like a mix of the generic 'Gray' alien, combined with the features of the infamous Santilli autopsy —that was probably the thing that caught many of us off-guard.

True, nobody has a degree in alien physiology. But I remember something Grant Cameron says regularly: "there are those who believe, and those who know." He says that the moment he and his friends were looking for a UFO, the moment they saw it they didn't need to try to rationalize it or had any doubts about it's extraordinary nature. They knew they were observing the real deal.

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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"I remember something Grant Cameron says regularly: "there are those who believe, and those who know." He says that the moment he and his friends were looking for a UFO, the moment they saw it they didn't need to try to rationalize it or had any doubts about it's extraordinary nature. They knew they were observing the real deal."

First, let me add that my rant was not aimed at anyone in particular. It was a broad stroke that covered me as well.

I have my doubts about our abilities, collectively or individually, to see reality even when it is staring us down eyeball-to-eyeball.

This all dawned back a few years ago when the so-called 'crasher squirrel' picture was going viral. Thousands if not even millions of Photoshop users became digital photo experts and because they knew they could fake up a photo like that, this one had to be contrived. They were just not going to become victims of their own art.

It was really a shame the way that couple... the original picture owners, were treated by the media and on the web.

Knowing and believing are not necessarily two different things. At one time, we all knew the earth was flat and that heavier-than-air-flight was impossible. We believed that we had it all nailed down pretty well... until something came along that replaced our knowing with learning.

"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."

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I guess one of the problems is the limits of language. Or maybe the limit in people's understandings of the proper use of language.

Knowing something should be regarded the way Science understand the word 'theory'. Many people think that because scientists refer to things like "the theory of evolution" or "the theory of relativity" that these are just still-unproven ideas.

"Hey, we don't have to teach our kids about dinosaurs because that's JUST a theory."

Likewise, IMO people often replace the term 'certitude' with the term 'knowledge'. It reminds me of a very lengthy and brain-sweating online discussion I had with a person I respected a lot, who was a devout Catholic. We spent weeks trying to come up with a definition of the term "certitude" that satisfied us both —hey, it was more nurturing than playing Bejeweled! ;)

So if someone is to clam that they know the government has crashed saucers in the their possession, it's basically on the same level as when they 'knew' the Earth was flat or suspended on the back of a tortoise. They should better say they have an amount of certainty about it.

We should leave knowledge for the really incontrovertible facts of life.

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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"Knowing something should be regarded the way Science understand the word 'theory'. Many people think that because scientists refer to things like "the theory of evolution" or "the theory of relativity" that these are just still-unproven ideas."

I guess that brings us full circle because... what constitutes proof? Evidence suggests that a truth exists but as for proof? It's still really up to the individual to either trust & believe or not.

Ahem, yeah, I know. That's called 'faith'.

Language has been, in my opinion, far too long mistaken as a science and not an art. We are all artists of the written word at times, applying them like brush strokes from a mixed palate. There's no name for some colors I've seen in some paintings... you just call it by what it looks like to you, lol.

:)

"The power of accurate observation is frequently called cynicism by those who don't have it."

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....that Steve Jobs runs a sweat shop? :P

...I forgot how I got here but everyone seems to be heading off in that direction. I hope someone brought food. I have a feeling this is going to be a long journey................

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See video

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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I need sub titles!!

...I forgot how I got here but everyone seems to be heading off in that direction. I hope someone brought food. I have a feeling this is going to be a long journey................