Zahi and the Zionists (Part 2)

Let's party like it's 1999: former Egyptian antiquity supremo Zahi Hawass has rekindled a decade-old antagonism with 'alternative history' author Robert Bauval. On the front page of the top Arabic daily newspaper Al Ahram for Thursday April 12, Hawass, ex-Minister of Antiquities in Egypt, and Farouk Hosni, ex-Minister of Culture, claimed* that Bauval's next book, co-written with Ahmed Osman (Breaking the Mirror of Heaven, to be released August 15), attributes Egyptian civilisation to the Jewish people. Bauval notes on his blog that...

Hawass further claimed that my parents were ‘Belgians Jews’ from Alexandria — a claim clearly intended to be derogatory, implying that being a ‘Jew’ explains the reason for me writing this book (as an act of ‘vengeance’) and that, in any case, being a ‘Jew’ I cannot be believed.

In response to this, I have shown proof on my blog that such claims are untrue. Robert BauvalMy parents were Catholic Christians, and they were baptised (as I was) in the churches in Alexandria.

It is not the first time that Zahi Hawass has used the ‘Jews’ to try and discredit his opponents. Since 1991 Hawass has played this ‘Jews’ card against his opponents. In 2009 Hawass went as far as accusing the Jews of ruling the world and controlling the USA.

...But the amazing irony is that Hawass’s recent outburst evoking ‘Jews’ and his obvious desire to show that he ‘protecting Egyptian civilization’ against ‘Jews’ may, in fact, be a smoke screen to his own very involved relationship with American Jews – something that today in Egypt would definitely not go down well in the present political climate. It is well known in academic circles that Hawass obtained his PhD in America (at the University of Pennsylvania) with his tutor and assessor of his thesis being Dr. David Silverman, who is Jewish. Dr. Silverman, and his university, have been granted long-tern concessions in Egypt by Hawass, and the latter and Dr. Silverman have collaborated on many projects and even wrote a book together. It is also well-known that Hawass has ‘facilitated’ the Edgar Cayce Foundation of America to work at the Giza Pyramids many times, and that the principal funders were Joseph Jahoda and Joseph Schor, two promiment Jewish American businessmen.

Let it be very clear to everyone that I do not hold any anti-Semitic sentiments whatsoever. And I do not consider it either a detriment or an advantage to collaborate on projects with Jews – or Christians or Muslims for that matter. Indeed religion, as far as I am concerned, does not and should not be a factor at all in Egyptology or any other endeavour. But we may wonder what Zahi Hawass is playing at by constantly attacking his opponents by claiming that they are ‘Jews’. There is, excuse the pun, something not quite Kosher in his behaviour.

I've written previously about the tangled web surrounding Zahi Hawass's involvement with this controversial topic. In this case, one wonders how much of this attack is political positioning by Hawass, given the former's close ties to former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak, and rumours of Zahi's involvement with Zionist businessmen, versus the recent rise of Islamist power-brokers in the Egyptian political system. In any case, it's not exactly the type of publicity that Robert Bauval would want in his home country.

* I haven't seen the English version of the article, so am going by Robert Bauval's translation here

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Most everyone in Egypt knows about how the USS Lberty false flag went down.It can make it difficult to think of Jews and not be pissed off. I have lots of Jewish friends who get just as pissed off by the actions of the fanatics in Israel. The shills like to call such critics "self hating Jews," but that ain't it at all. I loathe the Ku Kluxers, but that does not mean I despise all southern white males in which group I am included too.

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Zahi is merely trying to ingratiate himself with the new powers that be in Egypt. He has been caught with his hand deep in the cookie jar while facing a justice system full of bureaucrats desperately trying to prove their "revolutionary" fervor.

Anti-semitism is quite culturally acceptable in Moslem Egypt and highly favored by the hardline Islamists taking over the country. Zahi already doesn't like Bauval or his ideas, so this kind of attack is a cheap way to boost the Hawass brand at home.

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Does anyone think this awful standoff will end within say the next 1,000 years?

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it is possible, but what form that will take...i don't really know. but the systemic racism will have to go

i think what the globe is going to end up with is a kind of basic global system of ethics ('religion') that nations must follow, regardless of personal religion, belief, etc, to be a full franchised member of the globe and there will be mechanisms with actual authority and power to enforce that. those that don't agree will be somehow 'walled off' from affecting the rest of the globe.

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Unfortunately, the technology has become too powerful for Islamic ideology to exist in balance. The Moslems will either conquer the world in a decades-long bloodbath or their religion will self-destruct between the world's retaliation and apostasy over the terrible human cost.

Time, distance, expense, and most importantly, the effort and pain of self-sacrifice have been overcome. No more fear, no more instinct, no more hurt, no more thought. Just press a button and evaporate.

The standoff will end, probably with many of us watching in horror.

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Delaiah wrote:

Unfortunately, the technology has become too powerful for Islamic ideology to exist in balance. The Moslems will either conquer the world in a decades-long bloodbath or their religion will self-destruct between the world's retaliation and apostasy over the terrible human cost.

Time, distance, expense, and most importantly, the effort and pain of self-sacrifice have been overcome. No more fear, no more instinct, no more hurt, no more thought. Just press a button and evaporate.

The standoff will end, probably with many of us watching in horror.

what would you think/feel if you found out that Muslims in the same neighbourhood where the Madrid bombers grew up, lived and plotted, their top 3 heroes were a Barcelona soccer player, the Terminator & Barack Obama?

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Delaiah I think you may be right about Zahi not liking Bauval.

But while alot of people bash Zahi becauses of charges, I think we have to be fair and realize Robert Bauval is just a writer and some his work is clearly way off.

I been on one of the tours with Rob and he appears to be a polite fellow. Ancient Egyptians would of seen some of Bauval's work regarding Ancient Egypt insulting to the highest degree - now thats a fact.

paw - peace and wisdom - from the
chimaera- ciamarra - the mother of the sphinx.

ciao clemente

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I'm not justifying Bauval's work at all; I will let everyone decide its value for themselves. Zahi has long been on record as opposed to alternative theories. He is fond of the term "pyramidiot" when describing anyone unorthodox in the world of Egyptology.

Clearly, baseless and sensational charges are uncalled for in this situation, especially racially charged ones. Zahi could have waited for the book release and disputed the contents and scholarship. He just saw an opportunity to tar one of his opponents and make some politically correct (for Egypt, anyway) accusations in a major newspaper at the same time.

I think that a reasonable, open academic environment would serve everyone best. I remember a show on Peruvian monuments I saw once. They let a guy with some crazy ideas (stone cutting by mirror-concentrated sunlight) show up with the regular authorities and make his case. His experiment failed miserably AND fairly in front of cameras. Think of how much progress could be made in Egyptology if both the academic and alternative junk were dispensed with in a similar manner.

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Robert Bauval's Orion theory is hardly "alternative junk", it's a pretty solid theory. There's more science in his The Orion Zone than in any of the "the Great Pyramid is just a tomb" blanket statements from so-called experts. Heck, even in recent years Zahi has changed his tune and began to suggest the Great Pyramid shafts could have been designed to align with specific stars -- as if he came up with the theory, without giving Bauval any credit at all, of course.

Robert Bauval is a more honest academic than some people who claim authority in Egyptology. Just don't mix up his Orion theory with his collaborations with Graham Hancock. I haven't read his latest, Black Genesis (of which I prefer the alternative title, Egyptian Dawn, but oh well) -- but again in his latest book, just like TOZ, he's not making up New Age mumbo jumbo, his theories are based on solid archaeological work in the sub-Saharan and Nubian deserts. Yet he's been ostracised by the academic community for what? Daring to buck the status quo.

I just wish Zahi would disappear, take a retirement package in the Maldives and bugger off, that the political and social situation in Egypt would settle down so we can all get down to business -- discovering what lies behind the door in the Great Pyramid's shafts. ;-)

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You just disclosed his great come-back plan ;)

It's not the depth of the rabbit hole that bugs me...
It's all the rabbit SH*T you stumble over on your way down!!!

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See video

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lol It would have been great if Zahi disappeared after the fall of Mubarak, and then years later, when we finally open the door in the pyramid shaft, we find Zahi hiding out in a secret chamber. Or mummified, he got stuck and couldn't get out.

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Rick, Robert Bauval's Orion Correlation Theory (OCT - three main pyramids at Giza as a symbolic representation of the three stars in the Belt of Orion) the angle is off and it doesnt fit,
his theory is debunked.
http://www.hallofmaat.com/read.php?6,546...

I think you meant to type "The Orion Mystery" and not "The Orion Zone" different authors.

Plus the great pyramid may not be a tomb at all and may be a cenotaph.

Alexander Badawy and Virginia Trimble found that the shafts are "aimed" at "imperishable" circumpolar stars and at the constellation of Orion in 1964 and not Bauval.

I think master game was his last book not black genesis.
Nabta Playa had mediterranean bones near there too.
So really he could of look at solid archaeoloical work elsewhere.
Heres latest news about rock art IN Qurta Egypt which seem to agree with a egypt to north connection

http://www.vancouversun.com/technology/L...

http://www.pasthorizonspr.com/index.php/...

its clear some of bauval work would of been seen by the ancient egyptians as offensive to the highest degree.

ciao clemente

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ciamarra wrote:

its clear some of bauval work would of been seen by the ancient egyptians as offensive to the highest degree.

Offensive how exactly? More offensive than digging up the deceased and parading them around the world in glass cases? I wouldn't trust the Hall of Maat website either, they have agendas and are definitely not skeptical by the dictionary definition.

I support Bauval because he asks logical reasonable questions, and admits we don't know the whole truth -- as opposed to the status quo and pseudoskeptics, who have closed minds and think we know all there is to know. Case in point, the pyramid shafts. Gantenbrink was hired to send a robot up the shafts initially to clean it -- every Egyptologist and expert up until that point insisted the shafts were just for air! He sure proved them wrong. This is why I support Bauval, because we clearly have barely scratched the surface of explaining the pyramids. I'm not saying Bauval is 100% correct, but I fully support his right to ask questions and be respected for it.

One thing not many people mention is the context of mythology. They debunk the OCT purely by alignments and dates -- yet make no mention of the myths that act as the foundation for Bauval's reasoning. Ancient Egypt lived & breathed its mythology, and to ignore it is not only a mistake, but pseudokepticism.

Master Game is a reprint of Talisman, co-authored with Graham Hancock. Black Genesis is Robert's latest. You're right about The Orion Mystery/Zone though -- with all the alternative history books written about the Giza pyramids the past two decades, it gets confusing! ;-)

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Does anyone out there know if an examination was made of the pyramids ability to generate and hold a large static electric charge during sandstorms beating against the sides of the pyramids?

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No idea, but Christopher Dunn might.

http://www.gizapower.com/

Not to be confused with geezer power.

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Krupp has shown it doesnt fit, upside, overlap of stars dont match, etc even angle when aligning to his time. Even Anthony West mentions Bauval time should of been of 1 precession cycle earlier based on reigns of gods prior to Menes 3100bc.

shemsu-hor who some claim reign for 13,420 years and
reigns prior to shemsu-hor, 23,200 years which
totals around 36,620 years prior to menes of 1st dynasty 3100bc.

But long prior to Gantenbrink, some Egyptologist felt the shafts did have a religious function, like for the soul, ka.
http://www.catchpenny.org/shafts.html

also Stadelmann suggested that the shafts allowed the king's soul to travel to the "stars that never die" who Gantenbrink read.

clearly Bauval has written about the shafts targeting orion as
Alexander Badawy, and Virginia Trimble, in the 1960´s.

while Bauval asks some logical reasonable questions, he has reached some wrong conclusions and has speculated incorrecty.

they have to reapply to go back up the shafts because they couldnt go back up in august because of the trouble in egypt.

ciao clemente

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This is my point, Ciamarra -- debate the theory, but don't attack the theorist. Robert Bauval is a terrific bloke (good friends with West and Gantenbrink, by the way), and he doesn't deserve the snark and vitriol some people throw at him. As for who came up with the shaft theories first, Bauval gives credit where it's due countless times in his books -- anyone who says otherwise is dead wrong and a liar. Whether his theories hold water, I don't know -- I definitely prefer his way of thinking to that of Zahi Hawass or Mark Lehner! At the very least, he makes you think; and more importantly, question the status quo.

This is all making me feel a decade younger, like it's 1999 again! :-)

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I mentioned a few times referring it as "bauval work", which means not him as a person. I mentioned he seemed as a polite fellow.

But glad im glad I cleared up the shafts for those who those who didnt know how some Egyptologists felt prior to the robot, you yourself didnt know.

You yourself mentioned you didnt read all of his work which could be the problem too.

I believe in the old "as above below concept" too, but as I have seen some of bauval work doesnt hold water.

Actually i prefer 3 other stars respresenting the 3 main giza pyramids over the orion belt stars.
I wont disclose them, but if i am correct, and if khufu isnt buried in the great pyramid and not by the sphinx or at the smaller pyramids or temples, it means the giza pyramids are a cenotaph and perhaps i know where his true burial place based on my problem solving skills.

But lets first see what happens in the shafts.

ciao clemente.

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ciamarra wrote:

But im glad I cleared up the shafts for those who didnt know how some Egyptologists felt prior to the robot, you yourself didnt know.

That's not true, I did know. I'm very familiar with shaft theories, thanks.

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You yourself mentioned you didnt read all of his work which could be the problem too.

The only book by Bauval I haven't read is Black Genesis. So there is no problem. ;-)

Good luck with your theory, but if you won't disclose it, then you can't get peer reviewed and critiqued -- it's only fair, Bauval published his work.

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That's not true, I did know. I'm very familiar with shaft theories, thanks.

well you mention every egyptologist view, which i shown was incorrect, below is your older statement.

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Case in point, the pyramid shafts. Gantenbrink was hired to send a robot up the shafts initially to clean it -- every Egyptologist and expert up until that point insisted the shafts were just for air! He sure proved them wrong.

ciao clemente

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Ciamarra, maybe I didn't express myself clearly (I understand english is your second language), but you know I was referring to the status quo. So don't misrepresent what I meant, please. You have your theory which supposedly blows Bauval's OCT out of the water -- anyone can be a critic, so how about you walk the walk and publish your theory for peer review. Bauval was brave enough to do it; in doing so, he was part of a shift that reestablished a different perspective on ancient Egypt and the pyramids, a perspective that had been buried by the bullying status quo. Who knows, you could be part of the next shift?

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Ciamarra, maybe I didn't express myself clearly, but you know I was referring to the status quo. So don't twist my words and misrepresent them please.

rick, they were your words and i gave proof your statement mislead the views of certain people as shown by the link i gave.

if you are now claiming you didnt mean to put the word "every" there, that is fine, but i totally believed you meant what you had wrote, clearly you should not of use the word every, it was misleading to people unfamilar with the history of the shafts.

as far as my theory, i told you what it was, it can be critic by all. Cenotaphs in ancient egypt are well known, so its nothing new, and as i mentioned the great pyramid may be a cenotaph especially if khufu is not buried in the great pyramid which has been suggested as well, personally i would love to see khufu buried in a hidden chamber near the shafts, or in one of the hidden rooms Jean pierre Houdin recently mentions. but if khufu is not founded there, or isnt found anywhere in the pyramid, then more people will accept a cenotaph view of the great pyramid

I will add my stars fit better than orion belt stars on the 3 main pyramids. Others have similar theories like andrew collins with Cygnus, Collins also shows bauvals orion belts stars dont fit well at the 3 main pyramids.

ciao clemente

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Ciamarra, any reasonable person will know what I meant -- at the time, the accepted theory asserted by the status quo was that the shafts were for air ventilation, nothing more. You're making a pyramid out of a molehill and misreading me.

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as far as my theory, i told you what it was

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i prefer 3 other stars respresenting the 3 main giza pyramids over the orion belt stars. I wont disclose them

We're going round in circles here, so I'll just say good luck with publishing your theory and I wish you all the best. At least we both agree the status quo are incorrect in saying there are no star alignments and the pyramids are just tombs. :-)

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its my professional background, so when i see explicit key words like "every" or "all" they have distinct meanings. Its also in my professional background to think of the end-users and think of others that dont know anything about it. So i think its understandable to see how some would of viewed your statement with the word "every".

now i have mentioned my theory as i stated and you just highlighted part of it.
i will repost it since you seem to be misreading me.

Ciamarra wrote:

"Actually i prefer 3 other stars respresenting the 3 main giza pyramids over the orion belt stars.
I wont disclose them, but if i am correct, and if
khufu isnt buried in the great pyramid and not by the sphinx or
at the smaller pyramids or temples, it means the giza pyramids are a cenotaph and perhaps
i know where his true burial place based on my problem solving skills.

But lets first see what happens in the shafts."

i think any reasonable person can see certain current activites that i mention are key and thats why i mentioned
"may be a cenotaph".

example if khufu is found in the great pyramid, then i dont think the great pyramid is a cenotaph for khufu.
then my burial site may be the burial location of the
"hall of records" or burial site for someone else or perhaps a buried structure or remains of one.

A reasonable person should see that disclosing the 3 stars and possible burial location would be unwise, others may modify it, pending what currently is happening in the great pyramid.

ciao clemente

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then this one is hard to get away from . . . Zahi is not, but let's all watch what happens to him in the end and see if there aren't some teeth left in the old scripture:

Gen 12:3

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